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Questioning the ‘Survivor’ Mentality of Some Christians

by Julie Clawson 12-03-2008

First a confession –- I watch Survivor.  I know it’s the symbol of the downward spiral of television into endless reality programming, but there is something strangely fascinating about it.  So this past weekend when I was invited to attend a Women’s Holiday Tea with featured speaker “Leslie from Survivor: China,” I knew this was something I had to hear.

For the non-Survivor obsessed readers out there, Leslie was the contestant who walked out of the Buddhist welcoming ceremony during the first episode because she was a Christian.  She also broke down crying at one point because she didn’t have access to her Bible.  Her tribe voted her off on the third episode, but her short run on the show prompted media mocking of Christians around the country.  So needless to say, I was curious as to what she would say.

Her basic message of “good Christians stand up for their faith and go against the flow” wasn’t much of a surprise, but the whole time I just couldn’t get past how uncomfortable I was with her rationales.  She laughed at her critics and their fear of Christians because, in her opinion, what they fear (pushy, Bible-banging, judgmental Christians) doesn’t really exist.  Since she’s apparently never met a mean Christian, those that think they have must just be delusional.  To back that up she told the group that people will actually like you better if you act different and stand up for what you believe.  I’m not exactly sure who she was talking about though since, in good Survivor language, she had already told us that good Christians “vote their non-believing friends out of their lives,” but it seemed to resonate with the crowd in that room.

As I sat amongst that crowd of over a thousand women amen-ing and applauding her words, I couldn’t help but hope that there were no actual non-Christians in the room who had been hurt by Christians at one time or another.  To hear a woman say that she did the right thing by refusing the hospitality of the Buddhists and that God wanted her to remove the evil influences of unbelievers from her life is the epitome of the stereotyped mean Christian Leslie doesn’t think exists.  If there were any non-Christians in the room, I doubt that by the time she encouraged them to pray the prayer so that an angry God wouldn’t send them to hell they were even vaguely open to hearing what she had to say.

The average woman in the room though seemed pleased to be encouraged and affirmed in her religious walk.  Although this is Texas and, as conservative evangelicals in a megachurch, they are pretty much in power culturally, the standard churchy myth is that the world is out to get them and they must stand up for their faith by deriding and disassociating from that world.  They want to play the role of the oppressed minority, but are in reality surrounded by others exactly like them.  Gathering together for an expensive event and hearing how they are known as Christians by their disapproval of others simply shored up the patterns of thought they already had.  As much as they disparaged Christians who seek to simply love others, I’m not seeing churches who deliver that sort of message filling up hotel ballrooms to have it heard.

Most of the women there are wonderful women.  Some of them are good friends.  But I left the event wondering if this sort of message was really one the church needs to continue to hear.  At what point do we move past the description of all that we are against and actually take an active stand for something?  When do we stop just talking about religion and wishing others would be more like us and instead start doing the things Jesus asked us to do?  If over a thousand women could devote an afternoon to high tea and hearing about how we should resist the culture, how awesome would it be if that many women instead took an afternoon to be the hands and feet of Jesus to this hurting world?

But unfortunately it is a lot easier to condemn and disassociate from the world than it is to remain in relationship with and accept hospitality from those different from you.  To love our neighbor as ourself and to serve them wholeheartedly might require us to thoughtfully and respectfully engage who they are -– differences and all.  Unlike in the game of Survivor, our goal as Christians is not to be in power or end up on top, but to in humility place others first and to assume the position of their servant.  But honestly, how can we serve those we are attempting to “vote off”?

Julie Clawson is the author of the forthcoming book Everyday Justice (IVP 2009).  She blogs at julieclawson.com and emergingwomen.us.

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  • leslienease
    Oh, and I agree with "celebration" that I was a little scattered that night. There were some personal issues going on in my life at that time and I allowed some of it to effect my speaking. Since then I've learned so much - we are all imperfect but I'm continuing to improve and will continue to share the Truth of Jesus with others.
  • leslienease
    Wow! It's been about a year since I spoke at this event and I'm just coming across this article. I am sick in the pit of my stomach and so terribly sad that Julie walked away from that event with those thoughts. I truly am blown away by her disdain for me and the message I gave. I'm also a little surprised, honestly.

    I wanted to address some of the accusations Julie made against the things she heard last year at this banquet.

    1. "She laughed at her critics and their fear of Christians because, in her opinion, what they fear (pushy, Bible-banging, judgmental Christians) doesn’t really exist." I never laughed at my critics. I said I understood why they feel the way they do because of the stereotype Christians have. I never said Christians like that don't exist only that TRUE believers who follow Christ's example are not like that. If we are walking in the Spirit of God, we will not behave in that manner. It is not biblical to act that way - and certainly not Christlike. But everyone is capable of messing up sometimes.

    2. "Since she’s apparently never met a mean Christian, those that think they have must just be delusional. To back that up she told the group that people will actually like you better if you act different and stand up for what you believe." You better believe I've met some mean people who claim to be Christians! That's exactly why I ran from God for 20 years. I never said people would like you better if you stand up for what you believe. I said that they respect you more when you stand up for what you believe, whether they admit it or not. When you say you are a Christian, people expect you to be different. I encourage people to be true to their beliefs, not to be intolerant.

    3. "To hear a woman say that she did the right thing by refusing the hospitality of the Buddhists and that God wanted her to remove the evil influences of unbelievers from her life is the epitome of the stereotyped mean Christian Leslie doesn’t think exists." I never said this at all. I said that I walked out because I love the Lord and have a relationship with Him and that I did it out of a personal conviction, not to make a big scene. I said that bowing to that Buddha and praying to Jesus would be like me making out with another man and telling my husband I would think about him the whole time! I also never said God wanted me to remove evil influences of unbelievers in my life. I said that when I first became a believer i had to stay away from the lifestyle I used to live but eventually as I became stronger in my faith, those relationships are now better than ever. He did ask me to remove evil behaviors, but not people.

    Julie, my heart breaks that you got this out of that message. I wish, as the bible instructs, that you would have come to me with your complaints. We could have worked through this. I would have loved to talk through this with you personally. I wish the very best for you and have no hard feelings at all - I just wanted to set the record straight and give my side of this.

    On a personal note, I agree with you completely that we need to be out there, loving and serving and sharing Christ's love with others. Holy huddles are helpful but they are not meant to be a place where believers stay and hide away from the world. If I truly believed the way you say I said I believe, why would I ever go on a show like Survivor? I believe Christians are to be in the world and not of it.
  • joiningtheconversation
    yes, so your experience sounds a lot like Texas. I'm wagering Dallas or Houston. The culture needs some work. I have some very special friends in HOU, but we lasted only 2 years before the homogeneity, and the subsequent bigotry within the church, sent us running for the nearest door (turns out the door we went through was nothing short of fantastic, for the record). but the fear of "those not like us"--the *fear*---of that is utterly unhealthy and certainly mutually exclusive with following Jesus. Can't we disagree with people, think it through, and be better for the conversation?
    what happens to us when we are so quick to alienate? I fear we might be quick to justify ourselves which might turn to patting ourselves on the back. When we separate humanity as "us" and "them", I wonder what that might lead us to? Right and wrong? Good and bad? Defining an enemy who might once have simply been someone with another opinion? And when the "them" becomes a near enemy or enemy and we don't love "them", I wonder just how far off base we are.
    We, the Church, have some work to do.
  • celebration
    I too, attended the Holiday Tea event with Leslie Nease. I too felt uncomfortable with several of her comments, particularly the ones that insinuate that pushy Christians don’t really exist (I’ve met a few). I also had some other criticisms of her talk. I felt it was scattered, undeveloped and she lost track of who her target audience was. But my criticism stops with the speaker. There was a lot more at the tea than just the speaker and every other detail was outstanding.
    The remainder of your comments, make me question if were at the same event. I truly did not hear the comments you refer to like: “good Christians vote their non-believing friends out of their lives”, “that God wanted her to remove the evil influences of unbelievers from her life” or that she encouraged the crowd “to pray so that an angry God wouldn’t send them to hell”. I think you made that stuff up to make an interesting blog and arm your pre-existing agenda! I heard Leslie talk about standing up for what you believe in even when it is unpopular or difficult.
    I also didn’t see the same crowd that you saw. You described them as “amen-ing and applauding her words”, pleased to be encouraged. You stated they believe the churchy myths that they should disassociate from the world and resist the culture. You stated that they do not ‘remain in relationship with those that are different’ and instead of being hands and feet of Jesus, they spend a lot of money on a high tea for themselves. The crowd I saw had mixed reactions to the speaker, but out of common courtesy kept their criticism until later. The crowd I saw was made up of less than 1/3 attenders of the sponsoring church. Over 2/3 were guests, co-workers, neighbors, teachers at their children’s school, etc. who were not attending Christian churches. Many women gave financially so that these guests could come free of charge. Many women gave generously of their time to organize and pull off a huge event with excellence. How is that disassociating from the world? In actuality, these women created an event to engage it. The world we need to engage is all around us, it is not just the inner city poor (although a few people at the tea fit that criteria).
    Lastly you critically state of this group of Christians that they find it easier to condemn and disassociate. I find that odd when you in fact are doing that very thing. Being associated with that church (which you left out of your blog), I would have recommended taking your concerns to the leadership involved instead of just publically condemning the event. There you would have found out that criticism of the speaker was discussed openly and that the speaker did not follow the instructions of the leaders or address the crowd in the manner they had hoped. In spite of that, the leadership has been in prayer throughout all stages of the event and confident that God will use it for good (and they have evidence that He already has).
    This event provided an excuse to sit down with women that we don’t normally spend time with. If people were offended or tension created between hostesses and their guests, then Christians should seize the opportunity! Many of us are being challenged to discuss our beliefs with our friends that we invited because of the ‘in your face’ approach Leslie took and controversial statements she made. I personally am being challenged to think through how to appropriately criticize Leslie’s talk yet defend the Gospel. I agree we need to be the hands and feet of Jesus to a hurting world, and many of these women are involved in ministries you might ‘approve’ of. But I think God uses tea parties and conversations between women as well.
  • sigride
    I agree Kevin. I know a lot of people who recommend reality television -- watch The Apprentice to learn about business, Supernanny to learn about raising kids, and Dads who watch the Bachelor with their daughters, because it's a safe place to talk relationships etc. I even enjoy the people element piece of it. I don't watch it for a car crash, but to see a victory.

    Ace of Cakes is considered a reality show. Just watching a bakery in Baltimore make amazing cakes and how the people involved do it. I don't watch if often, but I'd watch the same epsode twice before I watched a Two and a Half Men episode.
  • sigride
    I think the problem here is what they are doing in the ceremony. Just because the host says, "Then they throw a coin in the bin" doesn't mean that's not, in their culture, actually a gift to a god. (That's just an example, not something I particularly remember from the episode.) I would have been very careful in that ceremony, and remember feeling uncomfortable watching it, wondering what I would do.

    I would not want to bow before a little Buddha -- even if it just seems to be going through motions. I would always try to be polite, but I think we all have lines we wouldn't cross. That's not a bad thing.
  • megastew
    I grew up in Boulder, a town with a strong Buddhist influence. My mother, an Episcopalian, uses Buddhist meditation techniques for counseling. I once had a Navigators leader from Boulder who taught us Zen meditation techniques for studying the Bible. I confess I don't know much about Buddhist teachings, but I'm not sure why Christians are so fearful of them.

    Elijah didn't go around plugging his ears and saying, "Lalalala, I don't want to hear anything about Baal." He confronted Baal directly, and demonstrated that Yahweh was more powerful.

    On the other hand, fear of exposure to other religions suggests our God is a wimp, who isn't powerful enough to survive a challenge from other gods. Even aside from the meanness factor, this woman made herself look strong while making her God appear weak. In effect, it was Yahweh who got kicked off the island.
  • cimmaronmax
    Thanks for the welcome! Without going into a lot of detail, I stumbled into Sojourners a few months ago and kind of liked what I found. I signed up to receive daily emails for "inspiration" and updates on articles. I have pretty much been reading an article a day. My sensibilities as a "non-Christian" (more complex probably than it might seem) are never offended. There is a lot of intelligence floating around here that 'lifts me up'. I think too much of my previous experience with Christians and Christianity had given me too narrow a view and an unfair bias 'against'. I am very loosely associated with Unitarian Universalism. I don't identify myself as a UU, but that may give you some idea (for better or worse) of what I am about. In part what has provoked my interest in Christianity are some apparent biases against Christianity by some people in the UU scene. Ever the "Champion" of the underdog, it has stimulated me to learn more and go further.
  • BuckeyeDon
    Welcome, Steve!
  • liberalinlove
    I think this episode of survivor is one of the only ones I caught. I also cringed watching it. My biggest frustration of sharing the gospel with others is that I feel I have to throw little sheep under the bus when I suggest church attendance. Grace, graciousness, the sweet perfume of Jesus- I seldom see it in believers, but I do see a lot of self -satisfied people, who will cross the street to avoid rubbing shoulders with the world. It is the cross and its message that is the stumbling block not us. We should be all things to all people. I am so grateful for Sojourners, who have made me feel I've found a home and a family of like minded believers. When you have experienced true grace...you can do nothing but offer it to others. To serve, to love, to hope for the best, to be kind and generous in spirit, to offer the unqualified, unconditional love that Jesus offers...I pray these Buddhists will still have a chance to see Jesus in action and that their opportunity has not passed with maybe the only Christian who will have passed their door.
  • Not watching Survivor, and never hearing of Leslie before now, and basing it on just what is written here, these are my thoughts:

    1) Good for Leslie, for walking out on the ceremony! If a Christian or a pagan feels uncomfortable with something, if it feels inappropriate, they should not be a part of it. If she feels lead by the Spirit that the ceremony was part of a foreign religion and verged on to idolatry, then it would be a denial of the Holy Spirit for her to not listen to him. Tolerance does not mean acceptance, nor should it.

    2) What's up with her crying 'cause she didn't have a Bible?!? Our faith isn't based on some old written word, but on a living relationship with the Spirit! I get that anyone, including me, can fail, and make mistakes, and have down times when they feel lost, and all deserve compassion for those times. But let us not hold up that time as some honorable moment to emulate! In the best of worlds, she should have cared not a fig for not having a Bible around, but celebrated that the Spirit was present with her, and visible in the revealed word of her creation.
  • cimmaronmax
    Nice article and I appreciate your perspective. I do not identify myself as a Christian but I have happily discovered Sojourners. This site provides a portal to individual Christians and varieties of Christianity I would not otherwise have known existed. I feel personally and spiritually enriched through what I am finding here. Thanks!

    Steve Schuler
  • NMRod
    Nobody's going to Hell for TV watching and nobody's going to be rewarded with Heaven for it either - not even for being a regular fan of The 700 Club.

    To paraphrase Grace in a slick way, TV is a drug, which doesn't make you big, it might even make you small, but whatever those mothers give you, it signifies nothing at all.
  • NMRod
    I defer to you as linguist, theologian and sex educator.
  • Joe_Allen_Doty
    Merriam-Webster is not a Bible dictionary nor is it a dictionary of theology.

    The only definition which applies to what actually happened is "coitus interruptus.

    Modern dictionaries have decided to redefine the words "pedophile" to mean "adult has sex with children" and "pedophilia" as "sexual abuse of children." But, sexual activity with children is actually "pederastia" and an adult who has sex with children is a "pederast."

    The "-philia" suffix of "pedophilia" means the action of normal human friendship/family love, no sex involved.
  • PASTOR JEFF
    Oh, my bad. Hoo-Ray.
  • Nathan Bedford
    It is quite possible that there are actually things on TV that are worth viewing. I'm about ready to find out as I make the transition from "rabbit ears" to one of the other methods of receiving transmissions (cable, satellite, or FIOS). My aim is to select an option that provides some quality programming but does not include a lot of garbage. So while what I hear about the History Channel, National Geographic, and others offer a lot of appeal, the 24-hour televangelists and shopping networks turn me off.
  • runstr8t
    Please note, I did not say "HE" ( as in God) is a staunch conservative, I said "he" meaning Cal Thomas. My point being instead of people like James Dobson trying to focus on getting visits to the White House and telling people how to vote, INSTEAD to focus on loving people and spreading the Gospel like the Bible says. This is pretty amazing stuff from a conservative Chrstian who has not always taken this approach.This is actually the only column of his that i actually agreed with.
  • runstr8t
    Not that God is a staunch conservative, that Cal Thomas is a staunch
    conservative. For the first time a staunch conservative is saying that
    they should not try to take over the White House but live as Jesus
    lives. How amazing is that?
  • squeaky
    I'd address a lot of the comments made in this discussion, but I have to get home. Survivor's on in 20 minutes!

    Cheers, y'all!
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