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		<title>By: WWJD</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-107992</link>
		<dc:creator>WWJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have known that my comment would not be posted because you are the same as shkhinah... one sided and binded by the Israeli propaganda. May the Lord forgive you and show you the way. Think!!! WWJD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have known that my comment would not be posted because you are the same as shkhinah&#8230; one sided and binded by the Israeli propaganda. May the Lord forgive you and show you the way. Think!!! WWJD?</p>
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		<title>By: WWJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>WWJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shekhina.. I am shocked at how much you are barinwashed by the zionist propaganda. You are like most American Christians only listen to one side of the news and never bother to even ask about how or what the other side think. You choose to formulate your perceptions out of the comfort of your secure home in the US and can never dare to put yourself in the shoes of those who suffer. I challenge you to think WWJD when He sees Israel doing what it is doing to the children and helpless of Gaza. People like yourself like to always find justifications for what Israel does rather than tell Israel about its responsibility towarsd the people of the land it occupies. You are scared of criticising Israel least you will be cursed as the Old Testament says. Yet you forget that the Bible teaches us to scold and descipline even church members or our own children.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please take a moment and think and take an accurate account of what happenned in Gaza. When Israel withdrew from Gaza, Palestinians had in place an exmplary government that was 100% pr-peace. Members of the Palestinian government spoke fluent Hebrew and were fully in agreement with the Oslo process. Yet, Sharon chose not to deal with them (this was after arafat had died) and instead chose to withdraw unilaterally from Gaza rather than coordinate with the Paletsinian Authority which would have made a totally different set up in Gaza. Many years of futile negotiations with the moderate Palestinians who recongise Israel&#039;s right to exists..etc produced only more settlements, more incursions and more extra-judicial assassinations. This is the main reason why Palestinians elected Hamas. The corruption of Fatah was just an additional encouragement but never it was the main reason. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When Hamas took over Gaza the first thing they did was to halt any atrocities against Israel. For several months not one shot or terror act against Israelis came from Gaza. Instead, Israel started assassinating Hamas&#039;s leadership and announced Gaza as a hostile territory cutting it from the outside world entirely. At best times, parts of Gaza got few hours of fuel... fishermen were not allowed to fish in the sea, even sewage treatment plans were not allowed to be repaired and raw sewage was being pumped into the Mediteranean. It was only recently and after Tony Blair&#039;s interevntion that Israel allowed some cement to enter gaza to allow for the partial reparation of the sewage plant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you remember nothing from what I wrote above, please remember one thing: Israel had the chance over the past two years to prove to the Palestinians that it meant well by giving freedom to the West Bank and allow the moderate Palestinian leadership there to establish an independent entity as a first step. This would have shown Hamas supporter - especially in Gaza - how wrongly they were in electing a Hamas government. But instead, Israel gave nothing to Abbas in teh West Bank... on the contrary, more land was confiscated to build illegal settlements, more incursinos took place into the hearts of Paletsinians cities than ever and peace talks were stuck more than they had ever been. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We, as Christians, should be more concerned about people rather than about land. This is what Jesus would be concerned about. I cannot believe ever that jesus would approve that Israel would kill the hundreds of children and women in Gaza and would tell Palestinians &quot;you deserve it because you elected the wrong leadership&quot;. Bush has done more eveil than any other US president and yet Americans elected him twice!!! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4 Christians have died in Gaza becasue of the Israeli shelling. Yes... did you know that there are Gazans who are Christians. Those Christians, and with them the thousands of Chritians in the West Bank, feel betrayed by Christians like yourself. You undermine our Christian witness to the Moslems and you make us ashamed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;May God open your eyes to see His justice and recognise His ways.&lt;br&gt;WWJD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shekhina.. I am shocked at how much you are barinwashed by the zionist propaganda. You are like most American Christians only listen to one side of the news and never bother to even ask about how or what the other side think. You choose to formulate your perceptions out of the comfort of your secure home in the US and can never dare to put yourself in the shoes of those who suffer. I challenge you to think WWJD when He sees Israel doing what it is doing to the children and helpless of Gaza. People like yourself like to always find justifications for what Israel does rather than tell Israel about its responsibility towarsd the people of the land it occupies. You are scared of criticising Israel least you will be cursed as the Old Testament says. Yet you forget that the Bible teaches us to scold and descipline even church members or our own children.</p>
<p>Please take a moment and think and take an accurate account of what happenned in Gaza. When Israel withdrew from Gaza, Palestinians had in place an exmplary government that was 100% pr-peace. Members of the Palestinian government spoke fluent Hebrew and were fully in agreement with the Oslo process. Yet, Sharon chose not to deal with them (this was after arafat had died) and instead chose to withdraw unilaterally from Gaza rather than coordinate with the Paletsinian Authority which would have made a totally different set up in Gaza. Many years of futile negotiations with the moderate Palestinians who recongise Israel&#39;s right to exists..etc produced only more settlements, more incursions and more extra-judicial assassinations. This is the main reason why Palestinians elected Hamas. The corruption of Fatah was just an additional encouragement but never it was the main reason. </p>
<p>When Hamas took over Gaza the first thing they did was to halt any atrocities against Israel. For several months not one shot or terror act against Israelis came from Gaza. Instead, Israel started assassinating Hamas&#39;s leadership and announced Gaza as a hostile territory cutting it from the outside world entirely. At best times, parts of Gaza got few hours of fuel&#8230; fishermen were not allowed to fish in the sea, even sewage treatment plans were not allowed to be repaired and raw sewage was being pumped into the Mediteranean. It was only recently and after Tony Blair&#39;s interevntion that Israel allowed some cement to enter gaza to allow for the partial reparation of the sewage plant.</p>
<p>If you remember nothing from what I wrote above, please remember one thing: Israel had the chance over the past two years to prove to the Palestinians that it meant well by giving freedom to the West Bank and allow the moderate Palestinian leadership there to establish an independent entity as a first step. This would have shown Hamas supporter &#8211; especially in Gaza &#8211; how wrongly they were in electing a Hamas government. But instead, Israel gave nothing to Abbas in teh West Bank&#8230; on the contrary, more land was confiscated to build illegal settlements, more incursinos took place into the hearts of Paletsinians cities than ever and peace talks were stuck more than they had ever been. </p>
<p>We, as Christians, should be more concerned about people rather than about land. This is what Jesus would be concerned about. I cannot believe ever that jesus would approve that Israel would kill the hundreds of children and women in Gaza and would tell Palestinians &#8220;you deserve it because you elected the wrong leadership&#8221;. Bush has done more eveil than any other US president and yet Americans elected him twice!!! </p>
<p>4 Christians have died in Gaza becasue of the Israeli shelling. Yes&#8230; did you know that there are Gazans who are Christians. Those Christians, and with them the thousands of Chritians in the West Bank, feel betrayed by Christians like yourself. You undermine our Christian witness to the Moslems and you make us ashamed.</p>
<p>May God open your eyes to see His justice and recognise His ways.<br />WWJD</p>
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		<title>By: Shekhinah</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-82471</link>
		<dc:creator>Shekhinah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very one-sided picture, with - it seems to me - a great deal of bitterness and?anger affecting your view of Zionists.? Are you aware that Western powers gave?the vast majority of the land in the Middle East to Arab groups - that they created Jordan out of the British Mandate?- that they gave a much smaller portion of the land to the Jews???Are?you aware of how many?countries in the U.N. voted for there to be a state for the?Arab Palestinians and a state for the Jewish Palestinians? ?I do not think &quot;terror and deceit&quot; truly characterize the idealism and loving-kindness of the Zionists, or their desire to be ethical and to see both sides of a conflict.? I think as Christians it behooves us to at least try to see both sides of a conflict.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very one-sided picture, with &#8211; it seems to me &#8211; a great deal of bitterness and?anger affecting your view of Zionists.? Are you aware that Western powers gave?the vast majority of the land in the Middle East to Arab groups &#8211; that they created Jordan out of the British Mandate?- that they gave a much smaller portion of the land to the Jews???Are?you aware of how many?countries in the U.N. voted for there to be a state for the?Arab Palestinians and a state for the Jewish Palestinians? ?I do not think &#8220;terror and deceit&#8221; truly characterize the idealism and loving-kindness of the Zionists, or their desire to be ethical and to see both sides of a conflict.? I think as Christians it behooves us to at least try to see both sides of a conflict.?</p>
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		<title>By: erbe</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-82463</link>
		<dc:creator>erbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This concept of homeland did exclude the Palestinians.  No matter what some Zionists said about letting the indigenous people live amongst them, the driving force of the Zionist leadership was to create a state for Jews immigrating from Europe and Russia.  And in order to do so they had to buy up the land and control the government which was not what the Palestinians wanted to happen.  Guess who prevailed...the illegal immigrants from Europe and Russia..the Zionists.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Zionist managed to assassinate the United Nations envoy in the Saint George Hotel bombing and they were constantly smuggling in weapons for the Haganah, the Irgun and the Stern gang.  Israel was founded on terror and deceit and it has infected their relationships ever since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This concept of homeland did exclude the Palestinians.  No matter what some Zionists said about letting the indigenous people live amongst them, the driving force of the Zionist leadership was to create a state for Jews immigrating from Europe and Russia.  And in order to do so they had to buy up the land and control the government which was not what the Palestinians wanted to happen.  Guess who prevailed&#8230;the illegal immigrants from Europe and Russia..the Zionists.</p>
<p>The Zionist managed to assassinate the United Nations envoy in the Saint George Hotel bombing and they were constantly smuggling in weapons for the Haganah, the Irgun and the Stern gang.  Israel was founded on terror and deceit and it has infected their relationships ever since.</p>
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		<title>By: Shekhinah</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-82372</link>
		<dc:creator>Shekhinah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - I respectfully submit that - no, I think the Zionists intended for there to be a democracy inside Israel, which included and still includes Arab members of the Knesset and Arabs&#039; attending universities if they wanted to, and working, AND the other option from the U.N., which was that the Palestinians would have their own state alongside of Israel.? So while it is true that the Zionists did want a Jewish state, this homeland did not exclude Arabs.? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know that it wasn&#039;t perfect - not everybody was all warm and fuzzy all the time but I also know that David Ben-Gurion, the leader of the Haganah and first prime minister of Israel, went to great lengths to rein in other Jews and other Jewish militias - like the Stern &quot;Gang&quot; - which is what Israel needs the Palestinians to do, if they really are sincere about living in peace - rein in their militant, more violent members - and give more power to people who can talk to Jews/Israelis rather than just wanting to destroy Israel.? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So yes, they wanted a homeland for the Jews, but I think it is really true and ought to be acknowledged that the Zionists weren&#039;t only for themselves, and against the Arabs.? The early Zionists were capable of caring about themselves and others, and they were willing to operate according to the United Nations&#039; mandate for a two-state solution.? If the Palestinians and the Muslim states had only gone with that, Palestinians would be in good shape now, and would have been thriving since 1947!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the sad thing is that with Hamas we have a continuation of the attitudes and behaviors that have not served the Palestinians well, and which (in my opinion) don&#039;t serve &quot;the Muslim world&quot; well - violence, and making members of other religions - Christians, Jews, Hindus - second-class citizens to be subjugated to Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; I respectfully submit that &#8211; no, I think the Zionists intended for there to be a democracy inside Israel, which included and still includes Arab members of the Knesset and Arabs&#39; attending universities if they wanted to, and working, AND the other option from the U.N., which was that the Palestinians would have their own state alongside of Israel.? So while it is true that the Zionists did want a Jewish state, this homeland did not exclude Arabs.? </p>
<p>I know that it wasn&#39;t perfect &#8211; not everybody was all warm and fuzzy all the time but I also know that David Ben-Gurion, the leader of the Haganah and first prime minister of Israel, went to great lengths to rein in other Jews and other Jewish militias &#8211; like the Stern &#8220;Gang&#8221; &#8211; which is what Israel needs the Palestinians to do, if they really are sincere about living in peace &#8211; rein in their militant, more violent members &#8211; and give more power to people who can talk to Jews/Israelis rather than just wanting to destroy Israel.? </p>
<p>So yes, they wanted a homeland for the Jews, but I think it is really true and ought to be acknowledged that the Zionists weren&#39;t only for themselves, and against the Arabs.? The early Zionists were capable of caring about themselves and others, and they were willing to operate according to the United Nations&#39; mandate for a two-state solution.? If the Palestinians and the Muslim states had only gone with that, Palestinians would be in good shape now, and would have been thriving since 1947!</p>
<p>And the sad thing is that with Hamas we have a continuation of the attitudes and behaviors that have not served the Palestinians well, and which (in my opinion) don&#39;t serve &#8220;the Muslim world&#8221; well &#8211; violence, and making members of other religions &#8211; Christians, Jews, Hindus &#8211; second-class citizens to be subjugated to Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: erbe</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-82354</link>
		<dc:creator>erbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not if you read about what the Zionist intended.  They never intended to live amongst the Palestinians.  What they wanted was a homeland for the Jews...that excluded the indigenous Palestinians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not if you read about what the Zionist intended.  They never intended to live amongst the Palestinians.  What they wanted was a homeland for the Jews&#8230;that excluded the indigenous Palestinians.</p>
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		<title>By: Palosaari</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-82338</link>
		<dc:creator>Palosaari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, as Christians, we are called to usher in the Kingdom of God.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And on the internet, the word &quot;post&quot; refers to a short piece of writing, such as on a blog, or in comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, as Christians, we are called to usher in the Kingdom of God.</p>
<p>And on the internet, the word &#8220;post&#8221; refers to a short piece of writing, such as on a blog, or in comments.</p>
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		<title>By: RightDialogue</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-82333</link>
		<dc:creator>RightDialogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice?  Justice will be their eternal sentence if they do not convert.  We should be less worried about politics than their eternal salvation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your &#039;post&#039; or what traditionally might be referred to as a vocation, is to share the Gospel. Christ did not call the Roman soldiers to abandon their post, but to embrace His Truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice?  Justice will be their eternal sentence if they do not convert.  We should be less worried about politics than their eternal salvation.</p>
<p>Your &#39;post&#39; or what traditionally might be referred to as a vocation, is to share the Gospel. Christ did not call the Roman soldiers to abandon their post, but to embrace His Truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Shekhinah</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-82281</link>
		<dc:creator>Shekhinah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I do agree with you there.? I have come to treasure the way people get along here, who back in &quot;the old country&quot; wherever that may be, might have not gotten along together, at all.? I love our diversity - the way we get people from all over the world here...? I wish we could export to the Palestinians Muslim clerics who interpret Islam in more peaceable, loving ways and teachers of statecraft who would help them create a country for themselves, however small it might be, to begin with...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Feels good to be in contact w/others like yourself - thank you for sending a response - &lt;br&gt;Shekhinah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I do agree with you there.? I have come to treasure the way people get along here, who back in &#8220;the old country&#8221; wherever that may be, might have not gotten along together, at all.? I love our diversity &#8211; the way we get people from all over the world here&#8230;? I wish we could export to the Palestinians Muslim clerics who interpret Islam in more peaceable, loving ways and teachers of statecraft who would help them create a country for themselves, however small it might be, to begin with&#8230;</p>
<p>Feels good to be in contact w/others like yourself &#8211; thank you for sending a response &#8211; <br />Shekhinah</p>
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		<title>By: littleroundtop</title>
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		<dc:creator>littleroundtop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;doesn&#039;t it seem true that if the Palestinians would elect better leadership &lt;br&gt;than Hamas, and if they would give up on trying to destroy Israel&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes that is a good point . To blame Israel for Hamas firing untargeted &lt;br&gt;missiles into Israel without bringing up who voted them into power is valid &lt;br&gt;. The choice the people had was corruption or Hamas , in fact from what I &lt;br&gt;have read Palestinians living within Israel actually have Better Human &lt;br&gt;Rights and Democratic representation then most Middle East Countries offer . &lt;br&gt;But my point was  when we make bad voting decisions it does not result in &lt;br&gt;bombs exploding in our day care clinics . America for all its warts offers &lt;br&gt;such a better way of life .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;doesn&#39;t it seem true that if the Palestinians would elect better leadership <br />than Hamas, and if they would give up on trying to destroy Israel&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes that is a good point . To blame Israel for Hamas firing untargeted <br />missiles into Israel without bringing up who voted them into power is valid <br />. The choice the people had was corruption or Hamas , in fact from what I <br />have read Palestinians living within Israel actually have Better Human <br />Rights and Democratic representation then most Middle East Countries offer . <br />But my point was  when we make bad voting decisions it does not result in <br />bombs exploding in our day care clinics . America for all its warts offers <br />such a better way of life .</p>
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		<title>By: Shekhinah</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-82249</link>
		<dc:creator>Shekhinah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think merely siding with victims is insufficient.  I think there are times when victims need to take at least partial responsibility for what happens to them - not to take away Israel&#039;s responsibility, but - doesn&#039;t it seem true that if the Palestinians would elect better leadership than Hamas, and if they would give up on trying to destroy Israel, that Israel would leave them alone to create a viable state for themselves?  I think Israel would - I think they really do want to live in peace with their neighbors and simply do not know what to do with the constant hatred and violence coming at them from Muslim groups and states.  And I think our awareness of that is important - not to drive Israel crazy by giving them too much responsibility when they really don&#039;t have power over the thoughts and behaviors of Muslims who have been making war on them since the late 19th and early 20th centuries...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think merely siding with victims is insufficient.  I think there are times when victims need to take at least partial responsibility for what happens to them &#8211; not to take away Israel&#39;s responsibility, but &#8211; doesn&#39;t it seem true that if the Palestinians would elect better leadership than Hamas, and if they would give up on trying to destroy Israel, that Israel would leave them alone to create a viable state for themselves?  I think Israel would &#8211; I think they really do want to live in peace with their neighbors and simply do not know what to do with the constant hatred and violence coming at them from Muslim groups and states.  And I think our awareness of that is important &#8211; not to drive Israel crazy by giving them too much responsibility when they really don&#39;t have power over the thoughts and behaviors of Muslims who have been making war on them since the late 19th and early 20th centuries&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shekhinah</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-82248</link>
		<dc:creator>Shekhinah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But in the beginning the Israelis truly wanted Israel to be beneficial for both Jews and Arabs - they really hoped for that, and made it so that Arabs could either be citizens of Israel or could form their own state.  It was some of the Muslims who wanted it to be all or nothing, either-or.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I think the Israelis still want Palestinians to live long and prosper, it&#039;s just that when they withdraw from territory like Gaza, the disappointment is great when the Palestinians elect groups like Hamas, who have in their charter the same-old, same-old goal of destroying Israel, rather than building something good for the Palestinians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But in the beginning the Israelis truly wanted Israel to be beneficial for both Jews and Arabs &#8211; they really hoped for that, and made it so that Arabs could either be citizens of Israel or could form their own state.  It was some of the Muslims who wanted it to be all or nothing, either-or.  </p>
<p>And I think the Israelis still want Palestinians to live long and prosper, it&#39;s just that when they withdraw from territory like Gaza, the disappointment is great when the Palestinians elect groups like Hamas, who have in their charter the same-old, same-old goal of destroying Israel, rather than building something good for the Palestinians.</p>
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		<title>By: meurig</title>
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		<dc:creator>meurig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever warnings may or may not have been given, and however irresponsible Hamas may have been (though I&#039;d like to know the ultimate source of your claims here, EJ), it still doesn&#039;t absolve the Israeli government of responsibility for taking innocent lives.&lt;br&gt;Fwiw, having heard Alex Awad in person, I know he is no apologist for Hamas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever warnings may or may not have been given, and however irresponsible Hamas may have been (though I&#39;d like to know the ultimate source of your claims here, EJ), it still doesn&#39;t absolve the Israeli government of responsibility for taking innocent lives.<br />Fwiw, having heard Alex Awad in person, I know he is no apologist for Hamas.</p>
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		<title>By: jstam</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-82216</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, and of course you&#039;re right.   I have made the mistake of generalizing too broadly.   Thanks for reining me in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, and of course you&#39;re right.   I have made the mistake of generalizing too broadly.   Thanks for reining me in.</p>
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		<title>By: Palosaari</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-82215</link>
		<dc:creator>Palosaari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely grant you that they were terrorist at one point, just as was the PLO, and may be again in the future.  But in the now, we aren&#039;t seeing bombings; we&#039;re seeing rockets.  And while I abhor the use of violence, this seems to be more in lines of conventional guerilla warfare.  They may go back to terrorism in the future, but I wouldn&#039;t label their current actions as terrorist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely grant you that they were terrorist at one point, just as was the PLO, and may be again in the future.  But in the now, we aren&#39;t seeing bombings; we&#39;re seeing rockets.  And while I abhor the use of violence, this seems to be more in lines of conventional guerilla warfare.  They may go back to terrorism in the future, but I wouldn&#39;t label their current actions as terrorist.</p>
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		<title>By: meurig</title>
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		<dc:creator>meurig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to note that not all evangelicals hold to dispensationalist theology (a nineteenth century innovation that has little to do with the way the early church understood scripture) nor to the unthinkingly zionist politics which is has spawned.  US rightwing evangelicals are not typical of evangelicals worldwide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to note that not all evangelicals hold to dispensationalist theology (a nineteenth century innovation that has little to do with the way the early church understood scripture) nor to the unthinkingly zionist politics which is has spawned.  US rightwing evangelicals are not typical of evangelicals worldwide.</p>
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		<title>By: meurig</title>
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		<dc:creator>meurig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Hamas are committing terrorist attacks.  I&#039;m not clear that what the Israeli military are doing is any different except in scale.&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s a bit like a slogan I saw on someone&#039;s t-shirt yesterday:  To kill one person is murder; to kill 100000 is foreign policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Hamas are committing terrorist attacks.  I&#39;m not clear that what the Israeli military are doing is any different except in scale.<br />It&#39;s a bit like a slogan I saw on someone&#39;s t-shirt yesterday:  To kill one person is murder; to kill 100000 is foreign policy.</p>
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		<title>By: meurig</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/01/06/one-hundred-eyes-for-one-eye/comment-page-1/#comment-82207</link>
		<dc:creator>meurig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Hamas fired the first missile in this particular episode.  Because Gaza was under seige.  Because the Israeli government feared terrorist attacks on its own territory.  Because they had grabbed substantial chunks of Palestinian land in 1968.  Because the Arabs attacked them.  Because Israel established its existence by expulsion of people from their land - partly by terrorist attacks and partly by making unrefusable offers to corrupt ottoman landlords.  And so we go back through history.  To say that one side of the other &quot;started it&quot; is both naive and unhelpful.&lt;br&gt;Maybe it&#039;s also worth remembering how Hamas came into existence - as an Islamic counterforce to the PLO, funded and encouraged by Israel to sow dissent within the Palestinian community.  And at a time when Israel was prepared to imprison nonviolent Palestinian resistance leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Hamas fired the first missile in this particular episode.  Because Gaza was under seige.  Because the Israeli government feared terrorist attacks on its own territory.  Because they had grabbed substantial chunks of Palestinian land in 1968.  Because the Arabs attacked them.  Because Israel established its existence by expulsion of people from their land &#8211; partly by terrorist attacks and partly by making unrefusable offers to corrupt ottoman landlords.  And so we go back through history.  To say that one side of the other &#8220;started it&#8221; is both naive and unhelpful.<br />Maybe it&#39;s also worth remembering how Hamas came into existence &#8211; as an Islamic counterforce to the PLO, funded and encouraged by Israel to sow dissent within the Palestinian community.  And at a time when Israel was prepared to imprison nonviolent Palestinian resistance leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: jstam</title>
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		<dc:creator>jstam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could argue (have argued) all day about who is to blame for the original offence here, but I think that the most pertinent statement Mr. Awad made (indirectly) is that Israel has in this conflict ignored God&#039;s limiting of vengence in the command &quot;an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth).  How many Israeli civilians have died?  How many Palestinian civilians?  To my knowledge the numbers are approx. 5 Israelis to 400 Palestinians.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From an evangelical point of view, Israel is still the God&#039;s chosen nation.  Evangelicals have held that this means we need to always support Israel in everything.  Due to the prominence which evangelicals have enjoyed in conservative politics in this country, their perspective on Israel has affected US foreign policy towards Israel--thus most of the weapons being used by Israel came from the US.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From a broader Christan perspective however, there is at least one other consideration:  What about the 4,000-5,000 Christians who are Palestinian and who live in the Gaza strip?  Shouldn&#039;t our first allegiance as Christians be to them and their safety?  Shouldn&#039;t we do everything in our power to fulfill Jesus&#039; command that we should love our brothers and sisters in Christ?  Shouldn&#039;t their suffering cause us to suffer? Shouldn&#039;t bear their burdens?  This statement doesn&#039;t add much to the blame game, or the argument over Hamas, but it does call into question the historical evengalical position of unquestioning support of Israel, which, like it or not, underlies much of US, neo-con foreign policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could argue (have argued) all day about who is to blame for the original offence here, but I think that the most pertinent statement Mr. Awad made (indirectly) is that Israel has in this conflict ignored God&#39;s limiting of vengence in the command &#8220;an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth).  How many Israeli civilians have died?  How many Palestinian civilians?  To my knowledge the numbers are approx. 5 Israelis to 400 Palestinians.</p>
<p>From an evangelical point of view, Israel is still the God&#39;s chosen nation.  Evangelicals have held that this means we need to always support Israel in everything.  Due to the prominence which evangelicals have enjoyed in conservative politics in this country, their perspective on Israel has affected US foreign policy towards Israel&#8211;thus most of the weapons being used by Israel came from the US.  </p>
<p>From a broader Christan perspective however, there is at least one other consideration:  What about the 4,000-5,000 Christians who are Palestinian and who live in the Gaza strip?  Shouldn&#39;t our first allegiance as Christians be to them and their safety?  Shouldn&#39;t we do everything in our power to fulfill Jesus&#39; command that we should love our brothers and sisters in Christ?  Shouldn&#39;t their suffering cause us to suffer? Shouldn&#39;t bear their burdens?  This statement doesn&#39;t add much to the blame game, or the argument over Hamas, but it does call into question the historical evengalical position of unquestioning support of Israel, which, like it or not, underlies much of US, neo-con foreign policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Palosaari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palosaari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed- most Middle Eastern governments wish Hamas would go away.  That doesn&#039;t mean that they view them as terrorist, however.  Most Democrats wish that Blagojovich would just go away, but few call him a terrorist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed- most Middle Eastern governments wish Hamas would go away.  That doesn&#39;t mean that they view them as terrorist, however.  Most Democrats wish that Blagojovich would just go away, but few call him a terrorist.</p>
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