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Your views, of course, as articulated, have not been an exception to what you are accusing other of.

I actually thought it was what brought you here . I like most Americans I guess consider Israel an ally . We share a similiar form of government , our value systems , and even share much of the same Bible that is primarily used in our places of worship . But even in learning other views here , they have been accompanied by sarcasm , and religious doctrinal assumptions of people we are discussing it with .

Jonabark examples of Israels calling for Palenstinian blood is not surprising . Wacth cartoons from the 40s of Superman and we do the same thing but for kids to hear .

Jonabark that is not surprising . War does this . Its the tradegy of war , just one tradegy of many .Have a family member killed , a friend , etc .

Watch a football game and root for one side , you see the penalties the other team does and believe when your side commits one and gets away with it, it is justified from PASS Penalties your side had been the receiptent of .

Thats why we need refs , and something is said for third party intervention here in Gaza also .

Naomi Klein is proposing anti apartheid style economic sanctions.

War is a terrible thing and is seldom the means of settling issues. The days when soldiers of competing nations are sent to the front and engage in battles in which only the combatants are affected is long gone. surely in the 21st century, we can find ways short of war to settle our differences.

With all due respect, Kevin Wayne, I don't see how gloating like this will advance the cause of Middle East peace. The problem as I see it, and as I have tried to articulate here (you can judge whether I've been successful), is that both sides are convinced of their own righteousness and the other side's evil.

We can't afford that attitude any longer.

Peace

If I felt it was so bad, I probably would never come back.

T”he capacity to misinterpret is vast on the part of some here.” PastorJeff

Pastor Jeff, you are in good company. You are kind to use the word “misinterpret”– “misrepresent” would probably a more apt and accurate characterization of what took place.

By the way , your use of language was out of line , The comments and insulting remarks that were made personally to you were far worse . They were based on your support of a country being attacked and provoked to defend itself . The debate was on the response , was it too strong , not strong enough , and how to stop conflict again . Yet another example of fairness and contempt dished out by ideaology and not common individual dignity and respect ..

The best points here appear to be sarcasm, doctrinal contempt of dispensionalism, and a lack of speaking hat we do about people in control of Hamas who use their own citizens , women , children and even schools to hide their military hardware . one person even told me that it was not considered terrorism because they use missles and topped using suicide bombers . Was a good conversation , especially important pointsabout the casualities and innocent victims in Gaza and elsewhere .

Yeah I remember one poster who once thought that the UK was using the Euro as its currency. Ignorance abounds, right Kevin?

“I do think the phenomenon is part of a reflexive tendency to favor the darker skin color. This is undertstandable, given that the contemporary liberal worldview is steeped in the civil rights movement. As such, it is very difficult not to view this conflict through the lens of the movement. ” Kevin47

That is a plausible explanation. An equally plausible explanation is that many who post here have gotten beyond the lower instincts inflamed by fundamentalist religion (such as tribalism) and they see Palestinians as image-bearers of the living God who are worthy of life and respect.

Oh no! My true motives have been revealed. Like the wicked witch of the West in the Wizard of Oz….”I'm melting!…I'm melting… ” as I descend into that abyss where 1Grace would just love to see me go!

Problem solved, as you are wont to say.

According to you…

I disagree that Israel has made its own bed. It is an enemy by virtue of its very existence, and will continue to be attacked.

If the Jews move elsewhere, they will be attacked there. Iran and Hamas have said as much.

But you are confusing two different things: 1) The existence of the enemies of the Jews, which is historical, and 2) the extent to which such sentiments gain popularity when people's backs are up against it. That is proven by the fact of Hamas winning a legal democratic election where they might no have otherwise. To that extent I simply say that Israel has made it's own bed, and that the most fair, just, and impartial- as well as wholeheartedly in line with Biblical Christianity that sets loyalty to the Kingdom of God – is the position being taken by the blog entry that sparked this discussion.

I read news and analysis from a number of sources, both European and North American. I've been fortunate to spend time around quite a few people with diverse international experiences and I've always wanted to dig deeper than the mainstream media generally permit. I think of myself as a once and future educator – I taught energy studies in two British universities for some years, and am hoping for the right opportunities to come up to do likewise here in Canada, but meanwhile have more than enough to do as a consultant.

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I disagree that Israel has made its own bed. It is an enemy by virtue of its very existence, and will continue to be attacked.

If the Jews move elsewhere, they will be attacked there. Iran and Hamas have said as much.