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Lord, Save Us From Your Followers: Neo-Apologetics and a Return to Civility

by Cathleen Falsani 02-10-2009

Lord, Save Us From Your Followers
Chicago’s own Dwight L. Moody, the great American evangelist of the 19th century, once said that of 100 people, one would read the Bible, and the other 99 would “read the Christian.”

Let’s face it: Christianity has an image problem.

When you hear the word “Christian,” what comes to mind?

Is it love, compassion, service, humility, and grace?

Or is it more along the lines of anger, self-righteousness, judgmentalism, and hypocrisy?

As long as there have been Christians, there has been something called apologetics — a veritable cottage industry of writers, thinkers, theologians, and other culture shapers who have rallied in defense of the faith.

Huge theological tomes have been written, churches have split, wars have been fought and whole peoples persecuted in “defense of the faith.”

Recently, a new crop of apologists has added its voice to the mix, producing books with titles such as Jesus Wants to Save Christians: A Manifesto for the Church in Exile, unChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks about Christianity… and Why It Matters, and They Like Jesus but Not the Church: Insights from Emerging Generations.

These mostly young American evangelical Christians are pleading not only for a return to Christianity’s true meaning, they’re calling for a revolutionary rethinking of the apologetics enterprise.

In a word, what they want to reintroduce into the public discourse about faith is civility.

Perhaps the best bit of this neo-apologetics I’ve seen is a documentary film called Lord, Save Us from Your Followers.” Made by a fellow from Oregon named Dan Merchant, the film has slowly been building a buzz nationwide and a loyal following of fans that presses DVD copies of the movie into the hands of anyone who will take them.

With humor and humility, Merchant traveled the country (wearing a white jumpsuit covered with religious-themed bumper-stickers), trying to answer the question: “Why is the gospel of love dividing America?”

The genesis of the film was a trip Merchant took to Ethiopia in 2004. There, he met Ethiopian Christians who endured hardships he says “would break me in half” but who were happy — deeply joyful and fulfilled — simply because “they know God loves them.”

Merchant wanted to find out why American Christians have gone off the rails, trading the gospel of love for the gospel of “being right.”

“I came back and started looking at all the self-righteous rhetoric and angry rhetoric leading up to the Bush ‘04 election,” Merchant says. “That’s the journey of this movie.”

Lest anyone have the impression that Lord, Save Us from Your Followers is an attack on American Christians and Christianity, Merchant includes divergent voices from all points on the political and spiritual spectrum, from unapologetic critics such as Bill Maher and Janeane Garofalo to a whole roster of Christian pastors and church leaders, including the evangelist Tony Campolo, who has some of the best lines in the film.

In an early scene, Campolo quotes from St. Augustine, who said that the church is a “whore” but she is also “my mother.”

“You’re talking about the church, the unfaithful bride of Christ failing to live up to its marriage vows to the Lord,” Campolo says. “For all of its whoring, it has still been that which has kept alive the Gospels’ story down through the ages.”

Christians need to stop shouting and start listening, Merchant says. Our culture as a whole has taken a sharp turn into incivility when it comes to discussions of religion, politics, sexuality, and even professional sports.

Some of the most effective and profound voices calling for an end to the cacophony of opinion and a return to simple graciousness might surprise you.

Jon Stewart, for instance. Merchant uses a clip of Stewart’s famous appearance on “Crossfire” with Tucker Carlson to illustrate what’s wrong with the quality of conversation in the public square.

“Here’s what I wanted to tell you guys: Stop,” the comedian tells Carlson, who continues to talk over him and interrupt with an increasingly raised voice. “Stop, stop, stop hurting America. You’re doing theater when you should be doing debate. What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery.”

In that moment, Campolo says Stewart became “the prophet of God saying, ‘We’re not arguing whether you’re right or wrong. We’re simply saying, ‘Do you realize what you’re doing when you frame the discussion in such an antagonistic, polarizing, hateful manner?’ ”

The church is meant to be the hands of Jesus in the world, but “it’s had its hands and feet amputated, and all we’ve been is a big mouth,” Pastor Rick Warren says in the film. “Jesus didn’t walk with a swagger,” comedian-cum-senator Al Franken says in another scene.

Merchant interviews farmers and hipsters, preachers with megaphones and members of the cross-dressing Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence in San Francisco, in an effort to better understand how Christians are perceived and what can be done to right the ship.

He even sets up a confessional booth at a gay pride festival, and, rather than ask folks to confess their sins, confesses his own sins of judgmentalism, arrogance, and a general lack of the kind of radical love that Jesus demanded of his followers.

Perhaps the most powerfully moving scenes involve Christian volunteers who regularly set up camp in an area of Portland, Oregon, frequented by homeless folks, providing health care, washing and cutting their hair, even bathing their feet.

That quiet service, unconditional love, and hands-on compassion, Merchant says, is what Christianity really is.

And that’s a message that cannot be heard if it’s shouted.

For a DVD copy of “Lord, Save Us from Your Followers” or to schedule a screening, go online to www.lordsaveusthemovie.com.

Cathleen Falsani is the religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times and author of the new book Sin Boldly: A Field Guide for Grace.

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Comments to "Lord, Save Us From Your Followers: Neo-Apologetics and a Return to Civility"

1 | littleroundtop

February 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

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You know people just criticize the church . What would happen if the church was not here ? When positive things are done like people reaching out to the homeless in the example above , its good thing . When Lutherans, Baptists, Pentecostals do something positve the church is the better for it . Yes stereotypes when they have enougn examples stick , and a great number of people read the Bible for the rules and not the ENCOUNTER , the relationship with Christ. Some sins of judgementalism are used on other brothers and sisters also . I know when I got saved I had assumed we were all one happy group . Had no idea people would criticize a pro life belief based on saying I did not care about a child after being born . Or that I was for the standard of a Momand dad in a family taking care of children because of the gifts that God has bestowed on those people as something that had underlinings in bigotry . Sometimes stereotypes have a basis , and sometimes they are used by evil to promote division .

2 | WaveTossed

February 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

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The problem is defining “the church.” I've been reading a book called PRAYERS FOR BOBBY. This is the story of how a young man came to believe (from the church his mother had raised him to attend) that he was “dirt,” and that he no longer deserved to live. He had been receiving clear messages that he was an “abomination,” and that he was “bound to eternal damnation.” So he ended up committing suicide. This all came about because the young man, Bobby, was Gay.

I am a Christian. I am also Gay. I belong to an Episcopal church. We feed people, provide clothing. We help people with issues so that they can help themselves. We demand nothing in return, not even any sort of declaration that they have to “accept Jesus as their Savior or else you are bound to Hell.” We are all sinners and we comfess our sins every week. We state the Nicene Creed, which is that we believe in One God, the Father, His only begotten Son, and the Holy Spirit. These are our core beliefs.

However, I've met too many people calling themselves “Christian” who have said that people like me and my church cannot possibly be Christian; they claim that their own beliefs are the One True Way, and that others are all bound to Hell.

And when some of these people are called out on these sorts of beliefs, they claim that they are “discriminated against.” It's as if some people want others' blessings so that they can continue to discriminate and exclude.

3 | littleroundtop

February 10th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

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Sounds like you are very comfortable in your denomination . I attended the same denomination when I was younger , never did hear the Gospel preached though . I did memorize the Nicene Creed . I have some good friends who attend the Episcopal church that seemed much more involved in knowing Christ and not just knowing the rules of the church . Their church left the denomination though because their beliefs were not respected . I myself attend an Evangelical Church now , and know exactly what you mean about people not think the church you attend is not up to speed .

When Christ stated he was the way many were offended , I think religious beliefs like political beliefs will divide people . The Lord told us this would happen . There are too many people who call themselves Christian who do not know the love of Christ . Interesting people who ridicule these people do it in spite , how sad for them not to know the Love of God in their lives ?

Thankfully I have a church that preaches the Good News and does not believe anyone is not worthy of having it part of their lives .

4 | paradoxtor

February 10th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

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Wavetossed,
I am a Christian. I also struggle with various issues that I consider to be sin. I cannot say that you are not a Christian. I do believe that sex outside of marriage between man and woman is sin. If that makes me exclusive, then I am. I also believe that faith in Christ is the only path to God and that as Jesus said, “”He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. ” You yourself appear to imply that some people who call themselves “Christian” are not. So are you guilty of the same offense of excusivity or are you a universalist? Do you want other's blessings so you can continue in your gay lifestyle? A “belief” is either correct or incorrect. I don't know of anyone who thinks their belief is what makes something true. They believe it because they think it is true. Do we need to have humility? Absolutely, but belief in heaven and hell and that there is absolute truth does not necessarily constitute arrogance. I find many of the current church attacks (and I agree with a substantial part of them) to be just as condemning and arrogant as those they accuse.

5 | littleroundtop

February 10th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

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I believe you said that quite well and in a Christian spirit .Paradoxtor . I am sure people who believe in Buda , Wicca, or other religions benefit from their love they give to their god . It always makes someone feel better to think someone cares about them also . People can receive forgiveness through Christ , and love from HIM , while the other gods are all dead . Christ still heals the sick and still heals the broken hearted . People benefit from Knowing Christ , and are at a disadvantage if they do not . It is quite selfish to keep Christ to one self in my opinion also , but I will not ridicule a person who has those beliefs . Its unfortunate as you say it is not true in reverse .

I can see not believing that , but must wonder the critical attacks on someone who does . Do they actually think it is easy to Evangelize ?
If you don't believe what the Bible says I would have to wonder why a person could not at least see why a person who believes the Bible has merit does believe it .
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6 | WaveTossed

February 11th, 2009 at 7:55 am

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Paradoxtor, there are people who believe that the Bible claims that expressing love between partners in certain ways is a sin. There are also people who claim that the Bible supports slavery, racial segregation, and that men should rule over women. That is their privilege and right. I do believe in the Bible and what the Bible says. In my church, we read the Bible every week — Old Testament, Epistles, and the Gospels. The verses I strive to follow most in the Bible are the Two Great Commandments that Jesus preached in the Gospels: love your God and love your fellow human beings as yourself. Nothing in there about how certain types of love are a “sin.” Expressing love to another can never be a sin. That's how I read what the Two Great Commandments state.

If you believe differently and believe that certain ways of expressing love between people are sinful, then that's your right. People are also free to believe that the Bible supports slavery, segregation, and male supremacy if they choose. However, to say that those who don't agree with certain interpretations of the Bible “don't believe in the Bible” is inaccurate.

In the end, it won't be either you, me, or any other human being who will be the judge. It will be God above.

Littleroundtop, thanks for your thoughtful comments.

7 | RightDialogue

February 11th, 2009 at 11:30 am

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“God's Politics” is a lefty blog that regularly focuses on social justice type of stuff. They've increasingly acted as a Doug Kmiec sort of apologist for Barack Obama and the left in general. You know, the “let's stop talking about sin and instead talk about love” kind of people.

Cathleen Falsani is one of their writers and has a hit piece on traditional Christians, entitled, “Lord, Save Us From Your Followers”. The author uses the 'review' to place blame on those who defend traditional Christian teaching for the 'image' problem Christians suffer among those who, well, hate Christianity. If you're thinking this sounds alot like blaming the martyrs for Nero hating them, you're not alone.

Here's an example:

“Christians need to stop shouting and start listening, Merchant says. Our culture as a whole has taken a sharp turn into incivility when it comes to discussions of religion, politics, sexuality, and even professional sports.”

This is code-word for saying, stop talking about things that don't fall within the purview of the Church. That way we can avoid discussion about sin and personal responsibility. The whole, “Christ without the Cross” mentality explained by Neibuhr:

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”

It gets better. Ms. Falsani displays her true colors by pointedly mocking the Catholic sacraments and suggesting a model for their replacement:

“He even sets up a confessional booth at a gay pride festival, and, rather than ask folks to confess their sins, confesses his own sins of judgmentalism, arrogance, and a general lack of the kind of radical love that Jesus demanded of his followers”

Notice the need to do away with 'sin' and 'confession' and the attack on true believers with the words 'judgmentalism' and 'arrogance'. So typical of the left and the poorly catechized, Ms. Falsani forgets what St. Paul has to say about dissension in the world:

“17 Now I beseech you, brethren, to mark them who make dissensions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned, and avoid them. 18 For they that are such, serve not Christ our Lord, but their own belly; and by pleasing speeches and good words, seduce the hearts of the innocent. (Romans 16:17-18)”

8 | squeaky

February 11th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

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Your response implies that the church is perfect and that no one has ever been hurt by negative experiences within her doors or by Christians. This is far from the truth. So the choice is this: you can either deny the failings of the church and blame those who have been hurt by those failings, or you can recognize that those who have had negative experiences with the church can act as mirrors for us so that we can learn from the mistakes of the past and better show forth the love of Christ.

If someone hates Christianity, it might be worth your time to ask why, and be willing to listen to their response. Often, there are very good reasons that go far beyond the “because I want to sin freely” reason that some might assume.

Righteousness at the expense of grace is every bit as damaging as grace at the expense of righteousness.

9 | WaveTossed

February 11th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

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I don't think that disagreeing with certain interpretations of Christianity constitutes “hating Christianity.”

What is “Christianity” anyway? There are so many ways and denominations within Christianity. I belong to the Episcopal church. Others belong to the Catholic church, the Baptist church, the Presbyerian church, various “non-denominational” churches. And I'm using quotes for “non-denominational” here because I'm not sure exactly what “non-denominational” means unless there were only one Christian church with only one docrine, one liturgy, one interpretation of the Bible — and we know that there are many Christian churches with many differing facets. So it would seem logical that each and every Christian church belongs to one denomination or another.

And what constitutes “traditional Christian teaching?” The Episcopal church (my church) is very traditional in many ways in that we use the Nicene Creed in each service, we have very specific liturgies in very specific orders. We read Bible verses in each service, from the Old Testament, the Psalms, the Epistles, and the Gospels. We have a eucharist (holy communion) at each service, done with a liturgy that is hundreds (if not thousands) of years old. How could any church be more “traditional” than this? And yet, some people have castigated the Episcopal Church of the USA for being “non-traditional” (among our other “sins”). And yet, at our serivices and among other people, we don't spend a whole lot of time at all musing about how people hate us or hate our traditional Christian teachings. We just keep preaching and practicing the Word of God and His Son, Jesus Christ.

10 | RightDialogue

February 11th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

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Squeaky, I never implied the Church is perfect or that no one has ever been hurt by her members. This is a straw man.

I've asked alot of people why they hate the Church and gotten alot of different answers. I guess the real question is why they persist in hate-that I can't answer. Just because you've been hurt by someone isn't sufficient reason to hate, let alone to remain obstinately so.

11 | RightDialogue

February 11th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

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Wave, I would characterize traditional Christianity as those doctrines believed by the Roman Catholics, Orthodox, and the reformers. Tradition meaning, in this case, that they are old and have been maintained for a long time.

In this sense, Episcopal would qualify. Of course, the introduction of novel doctrines, such as the promotion of sodomy or abortion, would not qualify as traditional. That would be a perversion of traditional doctrine.

I don't hate these people, I just think they're wrong. One need note be a bigot to oppose relativism. There's a big difference, one I think separates me from Ms. Falsani and those she is promoting.

12 | WaveTossed

February 12th, 2009 at 7:56 am

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“Wave, I would characterize traditional Christianity as those doctrines believed by the Roman Catholics, Orthodox, and the reformers. Tradition meaning, in this case, that they are old and have been maintained for a long time.

In this sense, Episcopal would qualify. Of course, the introduction of novel doctrines, such as the promotion of sodomy or abortion, would not qualify as traditional. That would be a perversion of traditional doctrine.”

So if any Christian were to disagree with what you state here, then it's a “perversion.” And if I were to disagree with that, then does that mean that I hate traditional Christianity?

Relativism is picking and choosing certain Bible verses, all while ignoring others, in order to promote one's own view. For instance, re-defining what both Ezekial and Jesus spoke of as the Sin of Sodom — arrogance and lack of respect for the poor is what Ezekial said — and re-defining it to equate it to expressions of love between lifelong partners. This would fit right in to the definition of “moral relativism.”

Jesus gave us the Two Great Commandments: love your God and love your neighbor as yourself. On this rests all of the laws of the Prophets. Putting people outside of this love, and telling people that they cannot love each other and that loving each other is a “sin”: this constitutes, at the very least, moral relativism and certainly constitutes breaking these two Great Commandments.

I don't think that opposing relativism equals bigotry. It's just that one has to truly oppose relativism, not use it to justify certain viewpoints that lay outside of Jesus' Words.

In the end, it will be God — not you or I — who will decide what is “relativist” and what is moral.

13 | RightDialogue

February 12th, 2009 at 8:46 am

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Wave, disagreeing with me is not a perversion of doctrine. Denying an essential element of faith taught by the Church would be a perversion of doctrine. Of course, disagreement does not equal hate, as I concluded in my earlier post when I wrote, “I don't hate these people, I just think they're wrong. One need note be a bigot to oppose relativism.”

Relativism is not cherry-picking bible verses. Relativism is a world-view that equates all things as being equal, viz., there are no absolutes. For example, saying that one faith is as good as another, when clearly this is not possible (either one is right, or the other, or neither, but not both).

Claiming that God's punishment for the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah were not related to their sexual perversion and instead their lack of charity does not equal hate either, although it's wrong. Gen 19:5-8 makes clear that the men of Sodom wanted to sodomize Lot's male guests, and when he offered them his daughters, they refused. (Just as a sodomite today would never want to have sex with a woman). There are other confirmations of this, you could look at 2 Pet 2: 6-10 and Jude 7.

If you set aside the question of Sodom, it is still clear that homosexual acts are contrary to God's will, as we find throughout the New Testament as as Paul says so forcefully in 1 Cor 6:9, “Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God. “

Christians adhere to orthodox and urge others to compliance with God's law for precisely the opposite reasons that you have alleged-love. Because we love our fellow sons of God we do not want them to suffer by losing their eternal life. Just as a man will urge a good friend not to do drugs or otherwise break the law for fear of loss of his liberty, so we urge, in this example, men to avoid homosexual behavior lest they risk loss of eternal happiness with God. If we did not love them, or if we hated them, we would either look the other way or even encourage their behavior so as to deprive them of eternal life with God.

Finally, you are right that you and I will not decide what is moral; God has already told us what his laws are. My repeating them no more makes me an authority than I am for declaring there is gravity. Ignoring these laws, regardless of the messenger, just like ignoring gravity, has consequences.

Thomas

14 | WaveTossed

February 13th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

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“Wave, disagreeing with me is not a perversion of doctrine. Denying an essential element of faith taught by the Church would be a perversion of doctrine. Of course, disagreement does not equal hate, as I concluded in my earlier post when I wrote, 'I don't hate these people, I just think they're wrong. One need note be a bigot to oppose relativism.'”

You are defining for yourself an “essential element of faith taught by the Church.” To which Church are you referring? The Catholic Church, the Baptist Church, The United Church of Christ, the Episcopal Church, the Metropolitan Community Church? And who are “these people?” Do none of them belong to any sort of “Church” as you would define it? If they disagree with any “essential element of faith” as YOU would define it, then are they guilty of “perversion of doctrine?”

What about those who go against the doctrine of the Two Great Commandments? Our Savior told us, as written in the Bible, that on these two Great Commandments rest ALL of the laws of the prophets. Is Our Savior wrong? Are there other laws which He failed to include in these two Great Commandments that contradict what these two Great Commandments stated?

“Relativism is not cherry-picking bible verses. Relativism is a world-view that equates all things as being equal, viz., there are no absolutes. For example, saying that one faith is as good as another, when clearly this is not possible (either one is right, or the other, or neither, but not both).”

Relativism is not only saying that there are no absolutes. It's also something called “cafeteria Christianity.” That is when people decide that it's perfectly OK to ignore some verses of the Bible — such as those that state that the eating lobster or shrimp is an abomination (Leviticus). Other frequently-ignored laws: wearing clothing of different fabrics (in Deuterotomy) and stoning to death those who would work on the Sabbath (Exodus). Allowing blind or maimed people to approach the alter (Leviticus). And then these same people claim that they represent the Word of God in quoting certain other verses.

“Claiming that God's punishment for the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah were not related to their sexual perversion and instead their lack of charity does not equal hate either, although it's wrong. Gen 19:5-8 makes clear that the men of Sodom wanted to sodomize Lot's male guests, and when he offered them his daughters, they refused.”

Oh, so when Ezekial characterized the Sin of Sodom as pride and lack of respect for the poor, Ezekial was wrong? Ezekial told us:

Ezekial 16:49. Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

So was Ezekial perverting doctrine? He should have told us instead what the “true” sin of Sodom was? Why didn't God turn him into a pillar of salt for such perversion of doctrine?

You are free to believe as you wish. Myself, I would believe the word of one of God's Major Prophets as written in the Bible. The sin of Sodom was pride, fullness of bread, and not strenthening the hand of the poor and the needy. Ezekial didn't mention anything else when referring to the sins of Sodom.

Then you mention Corinthians: Instead of the King James version, which I would prefer to use, I'll use the version you used:

Cor 6:9, “Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God. “

There are two Greek words for what was translated here as “effeminate” and what was translated here as “liers with mankind.” These two words mean in Greek “soft” and a “male prostutute on a couch.” Neither of these have anything to do with people who engage in lifelong love for each other.

You wrote: “Christians adhere to orthodox and urge others to compliance with God's laws”. Which “Christians” are these? Are you saying that those who disagree with what they (as human beings, not God) would adhere to as “orthodox” aren't truly Christians? Again, who are truly Christians? Catholics? Baptists? Mormons? Episcopalians?

“Finally, you are right that you and I will not decide what is moral; God has already told us what his laws are.”

Unfortunately, you (any many others) have chosen to ignore what Jesus, as the Son of God, has told us what His laws are. You can keep on pressing on with ignoring some verses and interpreting others as you choose. In the end, God will be the judge, not you or I.

15 | WaveTossed

February 13th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

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“I know some men , they call themselves the Brothers . They are men who share the understandingof scripture as you and I do .
Most people do not want to be gay , I was corrected on that by a person here but most don't . Obvious reasons , besides the discrimination , but obviously not having the traditional things your parents dream about for you , wedding , grand kids etc ,. Plus kids you grow up behave differently then you , you must feel isolated and alone . Different and inferior at times i bet.
gays have a yearning of the same sex that appears just as natural as a person who has a yearning for the opposite sex . And because of this , your experiences , the people you associate with are clearly different then straight people for the most part . “

I just got through reading the book, PRAYERS FOR BOBBY. This is the true story of a parent who had rejected her Gay son, condemned him, stated that he was going to go to eternal perdition. Needless to say, this would make anyone's life terribly unhappy. He was following feelings that were perfectly natural to him, just as straight people usually do. When her son committed suicide because of the rejection, Mary Griffith, his mother, realized that her words and actions had been wrong and were not the words of God. She has dedicated her life to helping Gay people accept themselves just as they are and fight against the discrimination and violence that have oppressed them.

Oh, and by the way: many Gay people DO have families and children. Many of them adopt children that no one else wants, such as older children, those with disabilities, or who have AIDS or HIV.

16 | MarkPepin

October 16th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

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excellent comments, paradoxtor. Clearly, you are standing firm on the Gospel of Christ, acknowledging that without Him there is absolutely no salvation. Don't ever be afraid to stand for the faith once delivered to the saints!!

17 | MarkPepin

October 16th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

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Great comments, RightDialogue! You noted that comment from Cathleen Falsanis article which states: “Christians need to stop shouting and start listening, Merchant says. Our culture as a whole has taken a sharp turn into incivility when it comes to discussions of religion, politics, sexuality, and even professional sports.”

What's so interesting about that is that Tom Krattenmaker is in the move, and gives his kudos to the ideological premise of the movie (which is to marginalize those on the Christian right who stand up for the exclusivity of the Gospel, and the truth once delivered to the saints before us).

I did a bit of research regarding Mr. Krattenmaker, and I found that he writes a daily column for USA Today, and he wrote a book . . . now wait for it . . . on how the Christian exclusivity of the Gospel was permeating (heavens to Betsy!!) “even professional sports”!! Can you imagine that?

Krattenmaker criticizes Tim Tebow for his strident posturing, and the reason is for his presentation of John 3:16 exclusivitism. You can read more at my blog: http://examine-the-truth.blogspot.com

You will see that Sojourners, and Cathleen Falsani, Dan Merchant, et al, represent a neo-evangelicalism that rejects at the least any presentation of the exclusivity of the Gospel.

18 | MarkPepin

October 16th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

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Actually, the reason that the person was struck dead was because he failed to follow God's law. Ouch…..

19 | MarkPepin

October 16th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

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You make some excellent points and references to the Bible that are undeniable. The sad part is that all you have to do is speak of these things, and the exclusivity of it all simply enrages those who stand against the Bible's clear injunctions against such behaviors. Keep on keeping on….

20 | MarkPepin

October 16th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

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<<What about those who go against the doctrine of the Two Great Commandments? Our Savior told us, as written in the Bible, that on these two Great Commandments rest ALL of the laws of the prophets. Is Our Savior wrong? Are there other laws which He failed to include in these two Great Commandments that contradict what these two Great Commandments stated?>>

Wavetossed, the Bible says that those two commandments rest upon the law AND the prophets, not the law OF the prophets. And, yes, incidentally, there are ten laws which are encompassed by the two commandments. The work of the prophets over the centuries repeatedly spoke of those commandments to remind the children of Israel how far off the mark that they were concerning God's Laws.

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thats the problem, God will judge, and not us. And God is righteous and holy, and the bible says without holiness anyone will see God.

Just think one thing, Jesus was followed by thousands, 5,000 were fed in the multiplication of the fish and breads, but later, we only see 500 people. WHY? Jesus elevated the standard to follow him, talking about self denying, and suffering because of him and so many leaved him.
then we see that after his death in pentecost, they were only 120.

WHY? because its the narrow way. GOD LOVES YOU, AND THATS WHY HE TELLS YOU HOW TO LIVE, as a parent loves his son,and gives him rules to obbey because he knows what is the best for him.

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