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		<title>By: BradyIvory</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-110684</link>
		<dc:creator>BradyIvory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We see athletes as our modern gladiators. We admire them for their skill and dedication to the sport and game. But they have to do it following the idea of fair play. There is no excuse for those of them &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;buying steroids&lt;/a&gt; because they betray our trust. Some may say they used them to become better and to amaze us even more, but I want to be amazed by skill not by medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We see athletes as our modern gladiators. We admire them for their skill and dedication to the sport and game. But they have to do it following the idea of fair play. There is no excuse for those of them <a rel="nofollow">buying steroids</a> because they betray our trust. Some may say they used them to become better and to amaze us even more, but I want to be amazed by skill not by medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: BradyIvory</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-97945</link>
		<dc:creator>BradyIvory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An accessory that will always have a great impact along with a sexy lingerie are a pair of high heel boots. In such an outfit, I&#039;m sure her show was a great success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An accessory that will always have a great impact along with a sexy lingerie are a pair of high heel boots. In such an outfit, I&#39;m sure her show was a great success.</p>
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		<title>By: jerryclatham28</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-93355</link>
		<dc:creator>jerryclatham28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Gregory. I very much liked the feel and content of your blog.To answer your question, as I hear it--what could this imply about us--Buddha often being shown sitting upon a blossoming?It could imply that our consciousness is &quot;like a blossom with petals curled tightly concealing the beauty within.” ~unknown</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Gregory. I very much liked the feel and content of your blog.To answer your question, as I hear it&#8211;what could this imply about us&#8211;Buddha often being shown sitting upon a blossoming?It could imply that our consciousness is &#8220;like a blossom with petals curled tightly concealing the beauty within.” ~unknown</p>
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		<title>By: SisterMarie</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-84288</link>
		<dc:creator>SisterMarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because he hit 61 home runs in a single season without the benefit of steroids - a record that remained until it was broken by players who did.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree that he did not have the lifetime career statistics of the other two, but he was the official record holder for an entire generation even though he did play in more games (I think - my memory is not that good anymore).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because he hit 61 home runs in a single season without the benefit of steroids &#8211; a record that remained until it was broken by players who did.</p>
<p>I agree that he did not have the lifetime career statistics of the other two, but he was the official record holder for an entire generation even though he did play in more games (I think &#8211; my memory is not that good anymore).</p>
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		<title>By: DITE</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-84283</link>
		<dc:creator>DITE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mean to discount the Babe&#039;s career. He&#039;s the best of all time. My point is that there were many factors why each player&#039;s performance should be more heavily analyzed within on his own era rather than statistics in the aggregate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And why is Maris included in your list of standouts with Mantle and Aaron?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#39;t mean to discount the Babe&#39;s career. He&#39;s the best of all time. My point is that there were many factors why each player&#39;s performance should be more heavily analyzed within on his own era rather than statistics in the aggregate.</p>
<p>And why is Maris included in your list of standouts with Mantle and Aaron?</p>
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		<title>By: DITE</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-84278</link>
		<dc:creator>DITE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha, salivating indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha, salivating indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: SisterMarie</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-84258</link>
		<dc:creator>SisterMarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not buying your argument that perhaps one reason for Ruth&#039;s home run record was that &quot;he didn&#039;t face minority pitchers.&quot; There is a link to a web site below which effectively shoots holes in that rationale.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Additionally, there are the standouts from when I was young (Maris, Mantle, Aaron) who amassed some pretty impressive slugging statistics without the benefit of steroids. If anything, the after-hours activities of some of our heroes from previous generations makes their performance on the field even more impressive.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact, the steroid use does render fraudulent both the record and the sport. If it is not effectively addressed by those who govern the sport, what was once the national pastime will become the national past time. If we want to see artificial players playing an artificial game, we can purchase a video game for a fraction of the price of admission tickets.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://sabermetricresearch.blogspot.com/2006/08/color-bar-discounting-babe-ruths.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://sabermetricresearch.blogspot.com/2006/08...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not buying your argument that perhaps one reason for Ruth&#39;s home run record was that &#8220;he didn&#39;t face minority pitchers.&#8221; There is a link to a web site below which effectively shoots holes in that rationale.</p>
<p>Additionally, there are the standouts from when I was young (Maris, Mantle, Aaron) who amassed some pretty impressive slugging statistics without the benefit of steroids. If anything, the after-hours activities of some of our heroes from previous generations makes their performance on the field even more impressive.</p>
<p>In fact, the steroid use does render fraudulent both the record and the sport. If it is not effectively addressed by those who govern the sport, what was once the national pastime will become the national past time. If we want to see artificial players playing an artificial game, we can purchase a video game for a fraction of the price of admission tickets.</p>
<p><a href="http://sabermetricresearch.blogspot.com/2006/08/color-bar-discounting-babe-ruths.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://sabermetricresearch.blogspot.com/2006/08.." rel="nofollow">http://sabermetricresearch.blogspot.com/2006/08..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin47</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-84247</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only a conservative would find a way to bring OPS+ onto this blog.  You were salivating at the opportunity, weren&#039;t you? That said, you are right, for the most part.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, your example of Ruth never having to face Negro League pitchers proves my point.  For baseball, this is an embarrassment on par with the existence of the Negro Leagues.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only a conservative would find a way to bring OPS+ onto this blog.  You were salivating at the opportunity, weren&#39;t you? That said, you are right, for the most part.</p>
<p>However, your example of Ruth never having to face Negro League pitchers proves my point.  For baseball, this is an embarrassment on par with the existence of the Negro Leagues.   </p>
<p>________________________________</p>
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		<title>By: DITE</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-84246</link>
		<dc:creator>DITE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that forgiveness is another matter entirely, but I disagree that steroids render the sport and record books fraudulent. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steroids or not, it has never been apples to apples comparing players from different eras. Ruth didn&#039;t face minority pitchers and probably never saw a split finger fast ball. The mound got lower. The bats got lighter. Off-season work outs were invented.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You get a much more accurate idea how good a player is when you compare their performance against the peers in their era. Then you can take that comparison and compare it against how other players did against their eras. A stat like OPS+ (on base percentage plus slugging percentage measured against league average) is much more accurate than home run totals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that forgiveness is another matter entirely, but I disagree that steroids render the sport and record books fraudulent. </p>
<p>Steroids or not, it has never been apples to apples comparing players from different eras. Ruth didn&#39;t face minority pitchers and probably never saw a split finger fast ball. The mound got lower. The bats got lighter. Off-season work outs were invented.</p>
<p>You get a much more accurate idea how good a player is when you compare their performance against the peers in their era. Then you can take that comparison and compare it against how other players did against their eras. A stat like OPS+ (on base percentage plus slugging percentage measured against league average) is much more accurate than home run totals.</p>
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		<title>By: neuro_nurse</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-84241</link>
		<dc:creator>neuro_nurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the same reaction to stories like this as I do to the tabloid headlines about Brittany Spears tragic life:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Am I supposed to care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same reaction to stories like this as I do to the tabloid headlines about Brittany Spears tragic life:</p>
<p>Am I supposed to care?</p>
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		<title>By: SisterMarie</title>
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		<dc:creator>SisterMarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only realistic expectation that we should hold for our sports stars is that their performance on the athletic field is the direct result of their God-given talent and their intense practice. We should not be surprised when we learn that they are alcoholics, that they chew tobacco, use foul language, or cheat on their wives. Many of the stars whose records we respect have committed one or more of those offenses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, we do have a right to impose some minimum standard which may be unique to each profession. We expect that our doctors will &quot;first do no harm&#039;, that our lawyers will refrain from manufacturing evidence, that our politicians will refuse to take bribes, and that our ministers will abide by the gospel that they preach.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Can A-Rod be forgiven? If we limit the scope of that question to his relationship with God, the answer is of course he can. &#039;He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.&quot; My personal opinion is that many baseball fans will lose what little respect they maintain for that institution if the league officials do not act to discipline A-Rod and to adopt some strict rules to prevent a recurrence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only realistic expectation that we should hold for our sports stars is that their performance on the athletic field is the direct result of their God-given talent and their intense practice. We should not be surprised when we learn that they are alcoholics, that they chew tobacco, use foul language, or cheat on their wives. Many of the stars whose records we respect have committed one or more of those offenses.</p>
<p>However, we do have a right to impose some minimum standard which may be unique to each profession. We expect that our doctors will &#8220;first do no harm&#39;, that our lawyers will refrain from manufacturing evidence, that our politicians will refuse to take bribes, and that our ministers will abide by the gospel that they preach.</p>
<p>Can A-Rod be forgiven? If we limit the scope of that question to his relationship with God, the answer is of course he can. &#39;He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.&#8221; My personal opinion is that many baseball fans will lose what little respect they maintain for that institution if the league officials do not act to discipline A-Rod and to adopt some strict rules to prevent a recurrence.</p>
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		<title>By: godgal</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-84235</link>
		<dc:creator>godgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for the record, the author, as a rule, does not snort. especially not at the bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for the record, the author, as a rule, does not snort. especially not at the bible.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin47</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-84233</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;According to the gospel of St. Matthew, Jesus himself described an unpardonable sin as “blaspheming” or “grieving” the Holy Spirit. What that is, exactly, Jesus doesn’t say. I guess if you do commit the Big One, you’ll know it. Game over.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yeah, Jesus was a real idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;According to the gospel of St. Matthew, Jesus himself described an unpardonable sin as “blaspheming” or “grieving” the Holy Spirit. What that is, exactly, Jesus doesn’t say. I guess if you do commit the Big One, you’ll know it. Game over.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, Jesus was a real idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: squeaky</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/18/is-a-rod-forgiveable/comment-page-1/#comment-84230</link>
		<dc:creator>squeaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>snort?  Are you being punny?</description>
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		<title>By: LBellinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>LBellinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There was an unspoken, sacred trust between the players and fans that was broken. Irreparably.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems that we, as baseball fans, are complicit in baseball&#039;s,&quot;Steroid Era.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We cheered Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa during their home run battle of 1998, though, even if we admit or not, we had to know there was something up. After standing for 37 years, the late, great Roger Maris&#039; home run record was surpassed by TWO players! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But we fans not only bought into the home run chase, we lionized the victor. Witness the Nike commercial in which McGwire is belting mammoth shots while being ogled by the actress Heather Locklear. Meanwhile, two Cy Young Award winning pitchers, Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux of the Braves come to realization, &quot;Chicks Dig the Long Ball!&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The commercial tag-line?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just Do It!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Citius, Altius, Fortius.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There was an unspoken, sacred trust between the players and fans that was broken. Irreparably.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems that we, as baseball fans, are complicit in baseball&#39;s,&#8221;Steroid Era.&#8221;</p>
<p>We cheered Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa during their home run battle of 1998, though, even if we admit or not, we had to know there was something up. After standing for 37 years, the late, great Roger Maris&#39; home run record was surpassed by TWO players! </p>
<p>But we fans not only bought into the home run chase, we lionized the victor. Witness the Nike commercial in which McGwire is belting mammoth shots while being ogled by the actress Heather Locklear. Meanwhile, two Cy Young Award winning pitchers, Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux of the Braves come to realization, &#8220;Chicks Dig the Long Ball!&#8221;</p>
<p>The commercial tag-line?</p>
<p>Just Do It!</p>
<p>&#8220;Citius, Altius, Fortius.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: nuclearferret</title>
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		<dc:creator>nuclearferret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the seeming snort at the Bible about unforgivable sin, in an article about a baseball player who took drugs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the seeming snort at the Bible about unforgivable sin, in an article about a baseball player who took drugs?</p>
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		<title>By: neuro_nurse</title>
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		<dc:creator>neuro_nurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A-who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A-who?</p>
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