Comments on: Green My Hood http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/ A Blog by Jim Wallis and Friends Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:27:14 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: squeaky http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84675 squeaky Sun, 01 Mar 2009 04:10:15 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84675 Exactly. Thank you. Exactly. Thank you.

]]> By: pastorrobin http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84641 pastorrobin Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:32:13 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84641 DITE, I believe that you have violated the site's Comment Code of Conduct in the ways described::<br><br>I will express myself with civility, courtesy, and respect for every member of the Sojourners online community, especially toward those with whom I disagree—even if I feel disrespected by them. (Romans 12:17-21)<br><br>I will express my disagreements with other community members' ideas without insulting, mocking, or slandering them personally. (Matthew 5:22)<br><br>I will not exaggerate others' beliefs nor make unfounded prejudicial assumptions based on labels, categories, or stereotypes. I will always extend the benefit of the doubt. (Ephesians 4:29)<br><br>I will participate in community accountability by rating posts up or down based not on what ideas are expressed but on how they're expressed, and will flag posts that violate these rules of conduct. (Proverbs 12:18)<br><br>Therefore, I have flagged your comment and given a down arrow to your post, as Sojourners has asked.<br><br>To all other readers:<br><br>I'd like to suggest that when a comment occurs that does, indeed, violate the Code, we all simply respond to the writer by calling her/him out on it and refusing to converse any further. A person commenting in ways that violate the Code do not have any interest in entering into dialogue about the original issue; rather, they seek to dismiss and to shame the person(s) to whom the are responding. This diverts following readers' attention away from the original issue and onto the Code violator and/or other issues (e.g., below, genres of commentary and criticism, gender identities), and too often elicits a response in kind, resulting in further Code violating. Let's just be Jesus-like in our behavior: call-out and walk away! Blessings to all! DITE, I believe that you have violated the site's Comment Code of Conduct in the ways described::

I will express myself with civility, courtesy, and respect for every member of the Sojourners online community, especially toward those with whom I disagree—even if I feel disrespected by them. (Romans 12:17-21)

I will express my disagreements with other community members' ideas without insulting, mocking, or slandering them personally. (Matthew 5:22)

I will not exaggerate others' beliefs nor make unfounded prejudicial assumptions based on labels, categories, or stereotypes. I will always extend the benefit of the doubt. (Ephesians 4:29)

I will participate in community accountability by rating posts up or down based not on what ideas are expressed but on how they're expressed, and will flag posts that violate these rules of conduct. (Proverbs 12:18)

Therefore, I have flagged your comment and given a down arrow to your post, as Sojourners has asked.

To all other readers:

I'd like to suggest that when a comment occurs that does, indeed, violate the Code, we all simply respond to the writer by calling her/him out on it and refusing to converse any further. A person commenting in ways that violate the Code do not have any interest in entering into dialogue about the original issue; rather, they seek to dismiss and to shame the person(s) to whom the are responding. This diverts following readers' attention away from the original issue and onto the Code violator and/or other issues (e.g., below, genres of commentary and criticism, gender identities), and too often elicits a response in kind, resulting in further Code violating. Let's just be Jesus-like in our behavior: call-out and walk away! Blessings to all!

]]> By: canucklehead http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84597 canucklehead Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:49:45 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84597 which of course begs the question - how much time would Jesus devote to a blog site? wwjb? which of course begs the question – how much time would Jesus devote to a blog site? wwjb?

]]> By: kevin47 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84589 kevin47 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:02:27 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84589 I think it's a gender thing. As a rule, men appreciate sarcasm and irony, whereas women do not. On a board with both perspectives, I think you need to err on the side of letting it pass. I think it's a gender thing. As a rule, men appreciate sarcasm and irony, whereas women do not. On a board with both perspectives, I think you need to err on the side of letting it pass.

]]> By: squeaky http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84587 squeaky Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:47:02 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84587 Apparently we have different definitions of what intelligent, respectful, Christlike dialogue amongst believers on a Christian blog should look like, so there's no point in arguing about it. Apparently we have different definitions of what intelligent, respectful, Christlike dialogue amongst believers on a Christian blog should look like, so there's no point in arguing about it.

]]> By: kevin47 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84580 kevin47 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:25:18 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84580 Will I? No. I don't have a problem with sarcasm. I do have a problem with disregarding the argument being advanced, but that's not the case here, given the original author's lack of specifics. I think Christ is on the record having used sarcasm to illustrate a point. Would you disagree? Will I? No. I don't have a problem with sarcasm. I do have a problem with disregarding the argument being advanced, but that's not the case here, given the original author's lack of specifics. I think Christ is on the record having used sarcasm to illustrate a point. Would you disagree?

]]> By: squeaky http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84579 squeaky Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:18:46 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84579 Sure, will you? It's hard for me to understand why this is something you disagree with, so please explain it to me. I'd really like to understand how comments like DITE's promote thoughtful discussion in a Christ-like manner. <br><br>I"m not at all interested in the "they do it too" argument. Sure, will you? It's hard for me to understand why this is something you disagree with, so please explain it to me. I'd really like to understand how comments like DITE's promote thoughtful discussion in a Christ-like manner.

I”m not at all interested in the “they do it too” argument.

]]> By: kevin47 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84576 kevin47 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:03:27 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84576 Will you call out Sojo bloggers on their use of sarcasm, then? Will you call out Sojo bloggers on their use of sarcasm, then?

]]> By: squeaky http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84571 squeaky Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:50:50 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84571 And Christlike how? And Christlike how?

]]> By: squeaky http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84570 squeaky Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:48:34 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84570 Well, because, believe it or not, some of us value honest discussion. And comments like that do not promote honest, thought-provoking discussion. It's very easy to just take pot-shots at one another. Far more difficult to respectfully consider what another person is saying. And oddly enough, I expect the latter on a Christian blog. So, like it or not, I will continue to hold people to higher standards of discourse. Well, because, believe it or not, some of us value honest discussion. And comments like that do not promote honest, thought-provoking discussion. It's very easy to just take pot-shots at one another. Far more difficult to respectfully consider what another person is saying. And oddly enough, I expect the latter on a Christian blog. So, like it or not, I will continue to hold people to higher standards of discourse.

]]> By: BuckeyeDon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84540 BuckeyeDon Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:41:50 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84540 So you think developing community gardens, removing lead paint, weatherizing homes, and cleaning up and beautifying eyesores in our neighborhoods are bad ideas?<br><br>Why? So you think developing community gardens, removing lead paint, weatherizing homes, and cleaning up and beautifying eyesores in our neighborhoods are bad ideas?

Why?

]]> By: DITE http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84536 DITE Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:35:40 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84536 I disagreed with his general idea generally. I'm assuming that I'll disagree with his specifics specifically. I disagreed with his general idea generally. I'm assuming that I'll disagree with his specifics specifically.

]]> By: DITE http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84535 DITE Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:33:17 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84535 Yes, much easier. And more fun. Yes, much easier. And more fun.

]]> By: BuckeyeDon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84519 BuckeyeDon Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:09:27 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84519 "The very moment the author provides specifics on the budget for his urban-solar-powered-life-garden-lead-paint-reduction-project, I will give you a detailed report of disagreement."<br><br>DITE:<br>The logical flaw in this comment is that, even without seeing the kinds of specifics you are asking for here, you are already presuming you <i>would</i> disagree with Mr. Barber.<br><br>If you're going to disagree with him out of hand no matter what he writes, why bother saying you want details? “The very moment the author provides specifics on the budget for his urban-solar-powered-life-garden-lead-paint-reduction-project, I will give you a detailed report of disagreement.”

DITE:
The logical flaw in this comment is that, even without seeing the kinds of specifics you are asking for here, you are already presuming you would disagree with Mr. Barber.

If you're going to disagree with him out of hand no matter what he writes, why bother saying you want details?

]]> By: Eric77 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84518 Eric77 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:52:27 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84518 I hadn't seen that. If it's his plan to have the federal government finance his ideas I'd recommend that he start local first. I hadn't seen that. If it's his plan to have the federal government finance his ideas I'd recommend that he start local first.

]]> By: carlcopas http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84516 carlcopas Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:32:02 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84516 Squeaky,<br>that would require an effort to see things from Barber's point of view. Much easier to sit back and take sarcastic potshots. It's an old American tradition (think H.L. Mencken or, today, people like Rich Lowry). Squeaky,
that would require an effort to see things from Barber's point of view. Much easier to sit back and take sarcastic potshots. It's an old American tradition (think H.L. Mencken or, today, people like Rich Lowry).

]]> By: kevin47 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84514 kevin47 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:27:52 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84514 He could, but why would it be necessary? Sarcasm is a valid means of communication (the Sojo bloggers employ its use all the time), and I think his comment took an intellectually honest stab at Barber's post, which is high on rhetoric, but low on specifics.<br><br>Given the realities of the situation, he might as well have proposed unicorn grazing. At least, that's DITE's argument. I'm sure he wouldn't mind a counterargument. He could, but why would it be necessary? Sarcasm is a valid means of communication (the Sojo bloggers employ its use all the time), and I think his comment took an intellectually honest stab at Barber's post, which is high on rhetoric, but low on specifics.

Given the realities of the situation, he might as well have proposed unicorn grazing. At least, that's DITE's argument. I'm sure he wouldn't mind a counterargument.

]]> By: Ngchen http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84512 Ngchen Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:15:59 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84512 After actually having lived in a city, I will say that city life can be adapted to have a great charm all its own. And, FWIW, it is actually greener than life elsewhere. Imagine having everything within a 3-5 mile radius, with the majority of needed things within walking distance. Living in a city, that is very possible. Elsewhere, not too realistic. After actually having lived in a city, I will say that city life can be adapted to have a great charm all its own. And, FWIW, it is actually greener than life elsewhere. Imagine having everything within a 3-5 mile radius, with the majority of needed things within walking distance. Living in a city, that is very possible. Elsewhere, not too realistic.

]]> By: squeaky http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84503 squeaky Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:48:16 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84503 You probably could have expressed that concern without the sarcasm, though, right? So, since you are capable of doing so, why don't you? You probably could have expressed that concern without the sarcasm, though, right? So, since you are capable of doing so, why don't you?

]]> By: DITE http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/25/green-my-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-84502 DITE Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:18:50 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=6508#comment-84502 The very moment the author provides specifics on the budget for his urban-solar-powered-life-garden-lead-paint-reduction-project, I will give you a detailed report of disagreement. The very moment the author provides specifics on the budget for his urban-solar-powered-life-garden-lead-paint-reduction-project, I will give you a detailed report of disagreement.

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