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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Good Guys and Bad Guys&#8217; on the Border</title>
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		<title>By: code4nh2o</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/27/good-guys-and-bad-guys-on-the-border/comment-page-1/#comment-84905</link>
		<dc:creator>code4nh2o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 06:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First - I am of the opinion that Holy Communion is not to be used as a form of political protest.  I wouldn&#039;t want to answer for that one.  &lt;br&gt;Secondly - it seems to me that the fence isn&#039;t about immigration or drugs.  It is about the security of our nation, which gives us our freedom of religion, and freedom to protest.  &lt;br&gt;Lastly - for those that have not been there, Mexico is an open Christian country - anyone can get communion anytime without fear of persecution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First &#8211; I am of the opinion that Holy Communion is not to be used as a form of political protest.  I wouldn&#39;t want to answer for that one.  <br />Secondly &#8211; it seems to me that the fence isn&#39;t about immigration or drugs.  It is about the security of our nation, which gives us our freedom of religion, and freedom to protest.  <br />Lastly &#8211; for those that have not been there, Mexico is an open Christian country &#8211; anyone can get communion anytime without fear of persecution.</p>
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		<title>By: carlcopas</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/27/good-guys-and-bad-guys-on-the-border/comment-page-1/#comment-84735</link>
		<dc:creator>carlcopas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROFL</description>
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		<title>By: WaveTossed</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/27/good-guys-and-bad-guys-on-the-border/comment-page-1/#comment-84719</link>
		<dc:creator>WaveTossed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think drug trafficking should be a legally punishable offense if anything should. It&#039;s not just that people are apt to commit crimes when high--I&#039;ve seen the physical and spiritual damage that addicted parents pass on to their children. And many of the drugs being trafficked are higly addictive.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One of the great illusions in life is that protection from the spiritual damage of addiction is something that can be legislated. Alcohol has been shown to be one of the most addicting and physically damaging drugs around. And yet trying to legislate alcohol use out of existence: well we all know where that one went. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Spiritual recovery and renewal is something that comes from the heart. It&#039;s not anything that can be legislated. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do agree that closing the borders won&#039;t solve any addiction problem. Any more than making drugs or alcohol illegal would. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for addicted/alcoholic parents inflicting damage on their children: this can be dealt with using current laws against child abuse. One element that could be helped by not spending money on the Black Hole known as the &quot;War on Drugs&quot; is that this money could be used to strengthen social service agencies that could help children trapped in abusive parenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think drug trafficking should be a legally punishable offense if anything should. It&#39;s not just that people are apt to commit crimes when high&#8211;I&#39;ve seen the physical and spiritual damage that addicted parents pass on to their children. And many of the drugs being trafficked are higly addictive.&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the great illusions in life is that protection from the spiritual damage of addiction is something that can be legislated. Alcohol has been shown to be one of the most addicting and physically damaging drugs around. And yet trying to legislate alcohol use out of existence: well we all know where that one went. </p>
<p>Spiritual recovery and renewal is something that comes from the heart. It&#39;s not anything that can be legislated. </p>
<p>I do agree that closing the borders won&#39;t solve any addiction problem. Any more than making drugs or alcohol illegal would. </p>
<p>As for addicted/alcoholic parents inflicting damage on their children: this can be dealt with using current laws against child abuse. One element that could be helped by not spending money on the Black Hole known as the &#8220;War on Drugs&#8221; is that this money could be used to strengthen social service agencies that could help children trapped in abusive parenting.</p>
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		<title>By: canucklehead</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/27/good-guys-and-bad-guys-on-the-border/comment-page-1/#comment-84708</link>
		<dc:creator>canucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t Homeland Security just blare CDs of John Ashcroft singing &quot;Where the Eagle Flies&quot; at infamous border points? The desire for anybody to enter America would evaporate instantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#39;t Homeland Security just blare CDs of John Ashcroft singing &#8220;Where the Eagle Flies&#8221; at infamous border points? The desire for anybody to enter America would evaporate instantly.</p>
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		<title>By: JoannaCW</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/27/good-guys-and-bad-guys-on-the-border/comment-page-1/#comment-84690</link>
		<dc:creator>JoannaCW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think drug trafficking should be a legally punishable offense if anything should.  It&#039;s not just that people are apt to commit crimes when high--I&#039;ve seen the physical and spiritual damage that addicted parents pass on to their children.  And many of the drugs being trafficked are higly addictive.&lt;br&gt;But I&#039;m not convinced that closing the border with Mexico will take care of the problem.  So long as  norteamericanos want a quick-fix example from reality we&#039;ll get it.  There&#039;s already plenty of domestic production of meth and marijuana and probably anything else that can be obtained from Mexico.&lt;br&gt;Drugs aside, it makes no economic sense to let products cross borders freely and restrict the movement of labor, and our current border/immigration policy clearly violates the commandment to love our neighbors as ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think drug trafficking should be a legally punishable offense if anything should.  It&#39;s not just that people are apt to commit crimes when high&#8211;I&#39;ve seen the physical and spiritual damage that addicted parents pass on to their children.  And many of the drugs being trafficked are higly addictive.<br />But I&#39;m not convinced that closing the border with Mexico will take care of the problem.  So long as  norteamericanos want a quick-fix example from reality we&#39;ll get it.  There&#39;s already plenty of domestic production of meth and marijuana and probably anything else that can be obtained from Mexico.<br />Drugs aside, it makes no economic sense to let products cross borders freely and restrict the movement of labor, and our current border/immigration policy clearly violates the commandment to love our neighbors as ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: WaveTossed</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaveTossed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 04:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Already, within the USA, we incarcerate 25% of all the world&#039;s prison population, though we make up 3% of the world&#039;s entire population. Shouldwe move up to 50% or 75% to see if that works?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I said before: if drugs were legalized and regulated the way that alcohol is, we&#039;d see our imprisonment rate go quickly down. As well as much of the violence in our society. Prohibition didn&#039;t work for alcohol, and it&#039;s not working for other drugs. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for those who use drugs in an addictive way (just like those who drink in an alcoholic way): Drug addiction, like alcoholism, is a medical condition. These medical conditions should be treated by health professionals rather than law enforcement. People shouldn&#039;t be arrested simply for possessing any drugs, any more than a person in this day and age would be arrested simply for possessing a case of beer. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now if someone were to get high on booze or drugs and drive a car, operate machinery, or commit a crime -- they should get arrested and face the full consequences of their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Already, within the USA, we incarcerate 25% of all the world&#39;s prison population, though we make up 3% of the world&#39;s entire population. Shouldwe move up to 50% or 75% to see if that works?&#8221;</p>
<p>As I said before: if drugs were legalized and regulated the way that alcohol is, we&#39;d see our imprisonment rate go quickly down. As well as much of the violence in our society. Prohibition didn&#39;t work for alcohol, and it&#39;s not working for other drugs. </p>
<p>As for those who use drugs in an addictive way (just like those who drink in an alcoholic way): Drug addiction, like alcoholism, is a medical condition. These medical conditions should be treated by health professionals rather than law enforcement. People shouldn&#39;t be arrested simply for possessing any drugs, any more than a person in this day and age would be arrested simply for possessing a case of beer. </p>
<p>Now if someone were to get high on booze or drugs and drive a car, operate machinery, or commit a crime &#8212; they should get arrested and face the full consequences of their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: NMRod</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMRod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 02:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do we intend to stop drug trafficking on this side of the border?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Once the enforcement-only, legalism begins, it&#039;s increasing failures lead to ever more draconian &quot;solutions&quot; until the final abject failure is a police state.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Already, within the USA, we incarcerate 25% of all the world&#039;s prison population, though we make up 3% of the world&#039;s entire population. Shouldwe move up to 50% or 75% to see if that works?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we intend to stop drug trafficking on this side of the border?</p>
<p>Once the enforcement-only, legalism begins, it&#39;s increasing failures lead to ever more draconian &#8220;solutions&#8221; until the final abject failure is a police state.</p>
<p>Already, within the USA, we incarcerate 25% of all the world&#39;s prison population, though we make up 3% of the world&#39;s entire population. Shouldwe move up to 50% or 75% to see if that works?</p>
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		<title>By: learner64</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/02/27/good-guys-and-bad-guys-on-the-border/comment-page-1/#comment-84670</link>
		<dc:creator>learner64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There’s got to be some way WE can distinguish between the bad guys and the good guys.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Isn&#039;t that the problem? Rev. Fanestil has neither the duty (nor the inclination?) to do the difficult work of distinguishing between the bad guys and the good guys. I applaud his desire to serve communion as a sign of grace, and I agree that border policies need to be fixed, but it&#039;s naive to think the bad guys are going to suspend their drug operations while we try to work it out. I&#039;d love to hear not only Rev. Fanestil&#039;s outrage at being detained, but also how he intends to help stop drug trafficking across the border. Or was that simply the royal &quot;WE&quot; he was using?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There’s got to be some way WE can distinguish between the bad guys and the good guys.”</p>
<p>Isn&#39;t that the problem? Rev. Fanestil has neither the duty (nor the inclination?) to do the difficult work of distinguishing between the bad guys and the good guys. I applaud his desire to serve communion as a sign of grace, and I agree that border policies need to be fixed, but it&#39;s naive to think the bad guys are going to suspend their drug operations while we try to work it out. I&#39;d love to hear not only Rev. Fanestil&#39;s outrage at being detained, but also how he intends to help stop drug trafficking across the border. Or was that simply the royal &#8220;WE&#8221; he was using?</p>
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		<title>By: WaveTossed</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaveTossed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on the good reverend&#039;s side here. Why shouldn&#039;t he be allowed to serve communion? Whatever happened to loving the lord God and loving one&#039;s neighbor as oneself? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Part of the problem of course is the so called &quot;war on drugs.&quot; Which is a travesty. Prohibition failed with alcohol back in the 1920s and it is failing right now with drugs other than alcohol. Legalizing and regulating drugs in a similar manner that alcohol is legal and regulated would do a lot to rid our cities and borders from a lot of the violence that now infests these places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m on the good reverend&#39;s side here. Why shouldn&#39;t he be allowed to serve communion? Whatever happened to loving the lord God and loving one&#39;s neighbor as oneself? </p>
<p>Part of the problem of course is the so called &#8220;war on drugs.&#8221; Which is a travesty. Prohibition failed with alcohol back in the 1920s and it is failing right now with drugs other than alcohol. Legalizing and regulating drugs in a similar manner that alcohol is legal and regulated would do a lot to rid our cities and borders from a lot of the violence that now infests these places.</p>
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		<title>By: smokem</title>
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		<dc:creator>smokem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to sound insensitive, but are there no churches in Tijuana where Mexicans can recieve communion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to sound insensitive, but are there no churches in Tijuana where Mexicans can recieve communion.</p>
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