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God's Politics

Four Points Toward Peace in the Middle East

by Brian McLaren 04-16-2009

090416-palestinian-and-israeli-soldierI’ve written a lot on Palestine and Gaza in recent years. Any of us who travel (or read) know that peace in the world can’t be separated from peace in Israel — peace for Jews, and peace for Muslim and Christian Palestinians. There is probably no single issue more important to helping Muslims and Christians and Jews live in peace world-wide than resolving the crisis of peace in Israel.

Not long ago I posted this song about the conflict:

In the coming months, I hope that more and more of us — especially those of us from evangelical backgrounds — will start speaking out on this subject, addressing four key issues with courage, passion, and persistence:

1. The equal rights of both Jewish and Palestinian people to security, equity, and prosperity, and the equal responsibilities of both groups to seek, not just good for “their own,” but the common good of all.

2. The need to confront the terrible, deadly, distorted, yet popular theologies associated with Christian Zionism and deterministic dispensationalism. These systems of belief — so common among my fellow evangelical Christians — too often lead people to act as if Jewish people have God-given rights but Palestinians do not. They use a discredited hermeneutic (way of interpreting the Bible) to imply that God shows favoritism — that God is concerned for justice for one group of people and not for others. They create bigotry and prejudice against Muslims in general … and in particular against Palestinians, many of whom are Muslim but many of whom are Christian too. These doctrinal formulations often use a bogus end-of-the-world scenario to create a kind of death-wish for World War III, which — unless it is confronted more robustly by the rest of us — could too easily create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

If you hold to a deterministic-dispensationalist or Zionist theology, I sincerely hope you will rethink your view. I grew up with these views as well, and have become thoroughly convinced that they are not only biblically unfaithful but also, in too many cases, morally and ethically harmful. I know that rethinking these things can make your life more difficult — friends, church members, and even family members may reject you, for example. But think back to the 1950s and 1960s: Wasn’t it necessary for many Christians to have the courage to differ when racism was acceptable and even justified in most American churches? Wouldn’t you want to have the same moral courage today you would have wanted to have back then?

If you are unwilling to reconsider your commitment to deterministic-dispensationalist or Zionist theology, I hope you will at least try to avoid extremist tendencies by your colleagues who share these beliefs, so you can be faithful to the scriptures that tell us God is not a respecter of persons, that God shows no partiality (try James 2, for example), that God cares about “the least of these,” and that love never rejoices in evil. If you are open and willing to rethink your views, here are three books I’d encourage you to read:

In God’s Time: The Bible and the Future

The Rapture Exposed: The Message of Hope in the Book of Revelation

Blood Brothers

The longstanding atrocity of anti-Semitism of Christian history is a horrible atrocity that must be faced and repented of, and Christian Zionists should be applauded for wanting to turn the page on the anti-Semitism that was tragically common in church history. But we must remember that the cure to an old bigotry is not a new bigotry: It is a realization that God is creator of all people, that all people equally bear the image of God, and that the prosperity, equity, and security of some cannot be purchased at the expense of others.

3. The need to see and name injustice wherever it appears — in our allies as well as in our enemies — and to oppose injustice wherever it occurs. A case could be made that injustices committed by our allies hurt our national interests more than injustices committed by enemies … which means that we, as individuals and as religious and political participants, must call for an end to land theft being suffered by Palestinians, just as we must call for an end to all forms of violence and terrorism being perpetrated against Jewish people in Israel.

4. The need to face the same injustices in our own history in the U.S. (or wherever we live). For example, the treatment of Palestinians in Israel bears many similarities to the treatment of Native Americans and racial minorities in the U.S. (right up until today) … both forms of bigotry have been theologically “justified” using lots of Bible quotations, and both require a change in theology — and a change in heart — so they can be healed.

Brian McLarenBrian McLaren (brianmclaren.net) is a speaker and author, most recently of Everything Must Change and Finding Our Way Again.

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  • SisterMarie
    Brian,

    Thanks for pointing out that as Christians, we need not accept the inevitability of hostilities between Israelis and Palestinians, and that our proper roles in mediating that conflict should not be rooted in any preconceived bias towards either side.
  • TinMan
    I find this post disappointing in its lack of overall perspective.

    I find the lack of a critique of suicide bombers perplexing. It seems to me that the practice of suicide bombers causes great damage to both sides. The defense or approval of suicide bombers by Palestinians or other Islamists is frankly sad and deeply tragic.

    Also, the rabid anti Semitism of countries such as Iran and of the more radical Islamists clearly has caused Israel to develop a bunker mentality. To leave such Islamic "fundies" out of the critique, while slamming Christian "fundies" is puzzling.

    Also, articles about the anti Semitism that is expressed in America by pro Palestinian protestors towards Israel are also disturbing and also show a deep lack of respect for the humanity of Israel and of Jews.

    I find McLaren's post unhelpful in that it does not address the entire picture. Perhaps his post is helpful in showing us that until the entire picture is seen or studied, there are no hopes for healing or moving forward.
  • TinMan
    I am saddened by the omission of any critique of the Palestinians or radical Islamists for their practice of and support of suicide bombings, terrorist missiles and anti Semitic language.

    It seems to me that both sides of the issue have bloody hands and until both confess and repent, nothing will change.
  • Ngchen
    FWIW, I've heard it argued that dispensationalism (or at least the more radical versions of it) is heretical. The reason being that it is a relatively new innovation developed in the 17th (or was it 18th) century by Darby, and that it was completely foreign to the church before then. When we consider the Petrine promise (no matter whether we view it through a Catholic lens or not), it would be almost inconceivable that something so "crucial" to the faith would have eluded so many generations of Christians until the 17th century or so.

    Further, certain variants of dispensationalism promote a "doesn't apply to our time" type of thinking. Turn the other cheek? Not in our time! Love your neighbor? Not during this dispensation! Something I've heard abused is God's promise to Moses that whoever blesses Israel will be blessed, and whoever curses Israel will be cursed. First, there is a difference between "blessing" and "supporting no matter what is done." Second, I will argue that the promise is taken out-of-context. The Israel then doesn't necessarily mean the Israel of today, and FWIW, God is not a robot that we can selfishly manipulate like the prosperity gospel preachers like to imagine.
  • SisterMarie
    Ngchen,

    Don't you realize that God wants you to own a BMW, fly your private jet, and wear only expensive designer clothes? The only reason that you don't have these things is your lack of faith!
  • rightwingextremist
    Genesis 12:2-3 was not a promise to Moses. God was speaking to Abraham at the time when He was promising the childless Patriarch he would indeed have children and from his seed would come forth a great nation. It was this nation about which God said, "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse." (NIV)

    That last line does not refer to a Papal type blessing or demonic curse, but to those who support the nation emanating from Abraham's seed, and those who oppose or make war against that same nation. There was no deadline established by God. He did not say for example, "For the next three hundred years," but for all time the seed of Abraham, the children of Israel (Jacob), also called repeatedly in the Bible, "God's Chosen People," will be a source of blessing to those who befriend them (allies) and a source of course for those who move against her. Germany and Russia are examples of those who "cursed" Israel. Consider also the collapse of the British Empire coincided with their early capitulation to Hitler and rampant anti-Semitism.

    So, you see, the Israel of Biblical times, prophesied in the Bible to be disbursed to the four corners of the globe, which occured with the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and banishment of the Jews, is the same Israel which the Bible promised to bring from the four corners of the earth back to the land they were given through Abraham.

    Then in Genesis 13:14-15 we read," Lift up your eyes from where you are and look north and south, east and west. All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever." Also in Genesis 15:18, it says, "On that day the lord made a covenant with Abram (before he was renamed Abraham) and said, 'To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates." So the land given to Abraham on behalf of the Israelites extended all the way to the Euphrates and down to the river of Egypt, and area emcompassing what is today Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Sinai, Gaza, and a portion of western Saudi Arabia.

    This proves that Israel has the historic,documented, exclusive title to the land. There are indeed occupied territories in the middle east; the aboved named nations are illegally occupying Israeli land.

    Since May 14, 1948, when the UN officially recognized modern Israel, she has clung to a tiny piece of land roughly 1/10th of one percent of the Arabic/Muslim region around them. While the Muslim dominated governments refused to accept Palestinian refugees, Israel permitted them to co-exist side by side with full rights of citizenship. Many Palestinians have accepted their hospitality and the Knesset, Israel's governing body has never, since its inception, been without at least one Arab/Muslim member.

    The only "mis-treatment" of Palestinians has been directed at those who have participated in violent acts against the Jews. The Israeli policy is to withhold fire when civilians are in danger. Never-the-less, some civilian losses are bound to occur during hostilities. Only the Palestinians have actively targeted innocent civilians, preferring to evoke terror in the hearts of the civilian populations to engaging the Israeli military, an act of unadulterated cowardice.

    I fail to understand your intent with the reference that God is not a robot. The false teachings of the prosperity preachers attempt to manipulate the Gospel and mislead their followers. A reading of Psalm 73:1-17 will reveal the ultimate destination of those blasphemers whose lot will be thrown in with drug kingpins, crime bosses, and their ilk. Sadly, that same end awaits those who deny Jesus Christ is the exclusive way to eternity with the Father in the next life. The Bible very explicitly describes Hell, the ultimate destination for all who fail to acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God who gave His life a ransom for all.
  • lvis
    Awesome!!! Excellent history on Israel; par excellence!! Everyone should read Joan Peters' "From Time Immemorial" on the "real" history of Israel. A lot of these posts on here wouldn't be typed if people would read up on the real history of Israel, i.e., Israel fleeing middle eastern countries where they resided for hundreds of years without their property because of anti-semitism and the horrible atrocities committed against the Jews in syria and northern africa for hundreds of years etc. & etc. God's promises are irrevocable and He has promised Israel their land to them forever.
  • sagedog
    Excellent job right wing extremist, i could'nt have said it better! False teachers like mclaren or however it's spelled, are going to be woke-up shortly! Come Lord Jesus, come!
  • Premil
    Darby was not the first to come up with it. The early chuch fathers believed in the pre-millenial view (of Jesus' second coming.)
  • JohnH54
    The doctrine of justification was corrupted and needed reformation. Why should eschatology have been any different?
  • Ngchen
    After thinking things over, I agree you have a good point. Hoever, the difference here is that the doctrine of justification was, as you say, corrupted into a "faith+works" formulation, when scripture clearly taught that justification was by faith, and not by works. The ORIGINAL teaching on justification was by faith; hence the reformation.

    Now, as to eschatology, the original teachings really weren't that clear, and dispensationalism did not arise until many centuries later. So dispensationalism is not some sort of reformation; rather, it's a novel idea. Again, I write to point out that it's unlikely that God would let people for more than 1700 years get something thoroughly wrong, in light of the Petrine guarantee.
  • PASTOR JEFF
    Eschatology was reformed when Jesus didn't return by AD100. Dispensationalism is nothing more than a superimposed "private interpretation" parroted ad nauseum.
  • "As long as Hezbollah exists, it will never recognise Israel." - leader of Lebanon's Islamist Hezbollah movement, Hassan Nasrallah March 14, 2009. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7943357.stm)

    As long as there are Muslim extremists who hate Israel there will never be peace in that land.

    I do believe and accept the biblical prophecies that foretell of a horrible time coming upon the earth. However, that is not why I support the Jews' right to the land of Israel.
    I support their right because of what God says in His word:

    "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, 'I am the Almighty God; walk before Me, and be thou perfect. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly." And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, "As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an EVERLASTING covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an EVERLASTING possession; and I will be their God.'" (Genesis 17:1-8)

    "And God said to Abraham 'Sarah, your wife, will bear you a son and you shall call his name Isaac and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant and with his descendants after him. As for Ishmael, I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and will make him a great nation. But My covenant will I establish with Isaac.'" (Genesis 17:19-21)

    "And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran. And he came upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, 'I am the LORD God of Abraham your father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon you lie, to you will I give it, and to your seed; And your seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in you and in your seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.'" (Genesis 28:10-14)

    You say that God is no respecter of persons and right you are when it comes to anyone being able to receive salvation through Jesus Christ. However God called the Jews His "chosen people": "For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto Himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth." (Deuteronomy 7:6)

    Because the Jews as a people rejected Jesus as their Messiah does not void the "EVERLASTING covenant" that God made with them concerning the physical land of Israel:

    "For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins. Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." (Romans 11:25-29)

    In the prophetic book of Amos God promised to bring the Jews back to their land and they would never be taken away from it again:

    "And I will bring again the captivity of My people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God." (Amos 9:14-15)

    Was God wrong when He commanded the Jews to conquer the land of Canaan/Israel and defeat the inhabitants that had occupied that land for hundreds of years? How do you not know that the current situation is not the beginning of the fulfillment of God's word to bring the Jews back to the land nevermore to be uprooted from it. For 1800 years the Jews had no nation of their own. They should have assimilated and disappeared into every culture where they were dispersed. Yet they maintained their Jewish identity. Several places in the Old Testament God makes it clear that He will decide when the Jews will live in the land and when He will remove them as a form of judgment. Do you think after 1800 years God no longer cares what happens to His chosen people? The Bible declares, "But the land, whither ye go to possess it, is a land of hills and valleys, and drinketh water of the rain of heaven: A land which the LORD thy God careth for: the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year." (Deuteronomy 11:11-12)

    I do not need to "rethink" my views on this issue. I'll take God's word over the word of humans who try to reinterpret His word in order to fit the modern world's view of the way things should be. Mr. McLaren, is it possible that you need to "re-rethink" your views?
  • Ngchen
    I will try to respond to your post completely when the opportunity arises. For now, let's go through the references one at a time. For Genesis 17, note that Abraham was the father of MANY nations. Sure, the covenant was with Israel. A common interpretation was that the fact that Jesus was a Jew, and that the Messiah came from the line of David, was a fulfilling of the promise. Does God still care about the Jews? Of course he does!

    On another note, I doubt too many people (with the exception of extremists like Hezbollah and Hamas) want Israel to disappear. Two questions: first, what precisely are the boundaries of the promised land, and second, what should happen to the non-Jews living there? Remember that lots (well maybe not lots) of them are our Christian brothers and sisters. Should they become second-class citizens? Remember Galatians 3:28, which specifically mandated equality and made us *all* part of Abraham's seed.
  • <NgChen>"I will try to respond to your post completely when the opportunity arises. For now, let's go through the references one at a time. For Genesis 17, note that Abraham was the father of MANY nations. Sure, the covenant was with Israel. A common interpretation was that the fact that Jesus was a Jew, and that the Messiah came from the line of David, was a fulfilling of the promise. Does God still care about the Jews? Of course he does!"<end NgChen>

    You seem to be conflating two promises God made to Abraham:

    "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of
    the earth be blessed." (Genesis 12:2-3) Jesus fulfilled this promise when He brought salvation to all who would receive Him.

    "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed
    after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." (Genesis 17:7-8)

    This second passage refers to the physical land of Israel and that He promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob's descendants, the Jews.

    <Ngchen>"On another note, I doubt too many people (with the exception of extremists like Hezbollah and Hamas) want Israel to disappear."<end NgChen>

    It doesn't take a whole lot of extremists to keep disrupting the peace in Israel. As long as they exist they cannot allow Israel to live on land that they believe Allah gave to them.

    <NgChen>"what precisely are the boundaries of the promised land<end NgChen>

    God told the Jews that Israel's boundaries would be: "In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates." (Genesis 15:18) The Israelites never conquered all the land that God said was theirs. What the boundaries are under the current situation I cannot say. He simply said that one day He would return the Jews to Israel never to be uprooted from it again.

    <NgChen>"what should happen to the non-Jews living there"<end NgChen>

    They can continue to live there. The ones who left did so at the urging of the Arab governments who vowed to drive the Jews into the sea in 1948.

    <NgChen>"Remember that lots (well maybe not lots) of them are our Christian brothers and sisters. Should they become second-class citizens?."<end NgChen>

    They too should continue to live in the land.

    <NgChen>"Remember Galatians 3:28, which specifically mandated equality and made us *all* part of Abraham's seed"<end NgChen>

    Paul wrote:
    "And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be." (Romans 4:11-18)

    Paul declares that it is faith that saved Abraham. He states, "to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the FAITH of Abraham." This means that everyone, whether Jew or Gentile, who believes God's word and receives Jesus as the Messiah is a seed or descendant of Abraham. How can this be since Gentiles are not physically descended from Abraham? Paul is clearly speaking of Christians as a "spiritual" descendant of Abraham. Likewise, when Paul refers to Christians as the "Israel of God" in Galatians 6:15-16, he is saying that Christians, as a body of believers, are the "spiritual" Israel of God.

    Paul himself made a distinction between Christians (the spiritual descendants of Abraham) and the Jews (the physical descendants of Abraham):

    "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew...What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded...(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your
    mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all."
    (Romans 11:1-2,8-32)

    Paul says here that one day in the future "all Israel" will be saved. Israel cannot refer to Christians since Christians are already saved (I'm not talking about everyone who calls themselves a Christian).

    Christians don't need the land of Israel (crusades notwithstanding) so therefore the promise God made in Amos to return the Jews to the land forever does not refer to the spiritual seed but to the physical seed of Abraham. At the second coming of Christ they will become His spiritual seed also.

    [For a former Islamic terrorist's point of view on the land of Israel you can visit Walid Shoebat's website at www.shoebat.com]
  • PASTOR JEFF
    God's Word as recieved and acted upon by the One World Government United Nations, right?
  • Are you implying that God does not use nations to fulfill His will? He used Egypt to fulfill His promise to Abraham (Genesis 15:13) . He used the Chaldeans/Babylonians to perform His judgment: " For, lo, I RAISE up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not their's." (Habakkuk 1:6) He used the emperor of Rome to fulfill the prophecy that the Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem (Luke 2:1). Do you think He then could not use the United Nations to fulfill His will?
  • PASTOR JEFF
    "Do you think He then could not use the United Nations to fulfill His will?"

    Certainly. Why don't you run down there and fill them in on what it is.

    What is the UN's will for Palestine today?

    What happens to all those Jews in the end? Do you think God just has them there so we Christians can heed the signs of the Last Days. After all, it is all about us (sadistic, earth burning, slaughter happy believers) isn't it?
  • <James>"Do you think He then could not use the United Nations to fulfill His will?"<end James>

    <Pastor Jeff>"Certainly. Why don't you run down there and fill them in on what it is."<end Pastor Jeff>

    "Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them." (Luke 16:29) The Bible is the bestselling book of all time. There are plenty of them around. The members of the United Nations can get them and read for themselves what God's will is.

    <Pastor Jeff>"What is the UN's will for Palestine today?"<end Pastor Jeff>

    I don't know what the UN's will for Palestine is. I know what God's will is for the land of Israel. You can read my previous posts to find out.

    <Pastor Jeff>"What happens to all those Jews in the end? Do you think God just has them there so we Christians can heed the signs of the Last Days. After all, it is all about us (sadistic, earth burning, slaughter happy believers) isn't it?"<end Pastor Jeff>

    No, He has them there to create the utopia He desired for humans to have all along. But before that happens He will judge the world for its wicked rebellion against His word. He did this once before with the flood. Do you believe that God is a righteous judge who will send those who have rejected His Son to hell?
  • PASTOR JEFF
    "Do you believe that God is a righteous judge who will send those who have rejected His Son to hell?"

    Yes. Do you believe that God is a loving God that takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, leads people to repentance by His goodness and has the power to destroy hell if He chooses? Do you believe that Jesus is the Second Adam and that God is no longer obsessing over what mountain people worship Him on?
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