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God's Politics

You Go J-O!

by Becky Garrison 05-05-2009

090505-joel-victoria-osteenWhen I found out  A Night of Hope with Joel & Victoria would be playing in New York City, at the brand new $1.5 billion Yankee Stadium, I knew I had to attend this concert. (Sorry, but if you charge admission, I no longer call it a worship service).

Prior to the show, Joel and Victoria Osteen held a 15-minute press conference.

Hello this is Becky Garrison with Sojourners. You’re here at ($1.5 billion ) Yankee Stadium not that far from Wall Street. What do you want to say to New Yorkers who are going through this current financial crisis?

JOEL:  I would say to them probably what I’m going to say to most of the people today. Keep your head up. Keep believing that good things are going to come, that this is a season that we will pass through. Really don’t get negative. Don’t get bitter. Don’t get discouraged cause that just draws in more of that negativity. So, I’m going to encourage people that we all go through difficulties. But I think God can bring us out and he can somehow bring us out better. So, just try to inspire them to keep believing.

No clue where Jesus is, but I suspect he’d rather not play ball at this stadium.

Now, it’s show-time. Given there were still well over 10,000 seats available, they didn’t really hit a homerun out of this ballpark. Even though the show didn’t sell out, we were all told we’re still champions of hope, victors not victims. Be a believer not a doubter. Guess mentioning the cost of the cross might be too much of a devotional downer.

I confess I’m not a major fan of crusades in general. They just don’t speak to me spiritually. Having said that, when I attended the Billy Graham Crusade in Flushing Meadows, I got the sense I was in the presence of a man of God. But the Osteen inspired happy-happy-joy-joy multimedia extravaganza made me wonder if I was at a worship service or a motivational seminar.

Once the praise music faded away, Joel and Victoria took the stage. After Joel rejoiced how tonight he gets to live his dream of playing professional baseball and prayed for this spanking new stadium, Joel and Victoria regaled the crowd with a replay of their favorite hits. Most of what I’m hearing seems to be eerily similar to Joel’s Madison Square Garden concert that I covered back in 2006.  Has their faith not evolved in these ensuing three years? Surely folks as well-traveled as the Osteens might have some new stories they can tell. Victoria could share her latest adventures with airline attendants for starters.

By sheer coincidence, Dan Merchant, the author and director of Lord, Save Us From Your Followers was sitting right next to me. When I complained I had seen this motivational multimedia show before, he reminded me that I might say it (as a rock show expert): “People come to rock shows expecting to hear ‘the hits’ citing how the Rolling Stones play ‘Satisfaction’ at every concert.” He added, ”Like the Stones, Osteen’s Night of Hope hits the same buttons.  Charisma, emotion, nostalgia, dramatic staging (gorgeous night, amazing new ball park), a sense of community—all Osteen was missing was the flashpots and a B-stage in center field.”

But when Joel and Victoria welcomed Matt and Laurie Crouch on to the stage, this went from being another glam and glitter religious rock show to a prosperity gospel pow-wow. Behind these mega-million watt smiles and the hair that praises Jesus lurks a ministry that makes the ’80s era PTL Club seem like Little House on the Prairie. I don’t recall nearly this much gospel-lite glitter when I caught Billy Graham in action.

But here’s where the Osteens really deviated from the Billy Graham Crusade plan. On top of the $15 admission fee, Joel Osteen Ministries passed the bucket “to support future events like this one.” Double dipping like this doesn’t sit well with me when the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) will be carrying this live throughout the world via the network’s 33 international satellites. Once one factors in how much money they stand to recoup from this broadcast, one has to wonder why they couldn’t let people in for free and then take a free-will offering. If the Dalai Lama and Billy Graham can host free events that attract even more followers, why couldn’t they do likewise?

Then there’s the not so itty-bitty problem with their charity of choice. Doing food drops in New York City via Feed the Children sounds like a noble gesture (though naming a facility “The Victoria Osteen Abandoned Baby Center” is just downright creepy.) But this charity has consistently received an F grade from the American Institute of Philanthropy for low program spending and high fundraising costs.

As I’m watching everyone raise their hands and reach into their wallets, my heart sinks. I know many people flock to Joel because they love his hope-filled message. And yes, we do need people who can present positive images of Christianity given how Christians are often portrayed as Fred Phelps and Ann Coulter’s love child. But what is Christianity without the cross? Also, I just hate watching people fill up on faith fast food when I know there’s so many other healthier Charismatic communities where they can raise their hands and really do some good for God.

Becky GarrisonBecky Garrison reported on the media coverage of this event at Religion Dispatches.

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  • berkeleyboy
    he isn't preaching a social justice gospel...but rather a prosperity gospel void of any social justice.
  • RozFruchtman
    Becky:

    I was at Yankee Stadium and enjoyed myself emensely.

    This is the fourth time I have seen Joel Osteen in NYC.

    The reason why they charge a nominal amount for tickets is to keep order. If people could just walk in there would be a mob scene. They explained that at one of the events - not this one - I do not think.

    I do NOT consider myself to be highly religious, spiritual yes, but NOT religious. And yes... I did give. I felt it in my heart to do so. Was not a lot, but it was something. I enjoy Joel's positive message. It's better than the doom and gloom we live with 24/7.

    I am Jewish and to be honest I would not be confortable with a highly religous Christian service. This is not a crime. Joel ministers to everyone. That is not a crime either.

    Sounds to me like you have an axe<sp> to grind!

    Roz Fruchtman
    http://www.SayItWithEcards.com
  • jeffp
    Please understand that the "Social Gospel" has a short lived movement in the late 1800's and early 1900's. It was a love your neighbor movement, but it lacked a connection to God and His redemptive work. Though their motives may have been pure, it ended up as only as a good works project which faded quickly. What it lacked was the gospel, the good news of the redemptive work of Christ in an individuals life. They were trying to be the Salvation Army without the salvation.

    In contrast the Salvation Army, which predates the social gospel movement, is still with us today. If you look into their history you will see it is difficult for either conservative or liberal to lay claim to William and Katherine Booth (founders of the SA). They selflessly served the poorest of the poor while fearlessly preaching the gospel.
  • jeffp
    Serving the "least of these" is our act of love towards them and God. This flows from our relationship with God. Part of this expression is to share the gospel if the opportunity arises.

    No matter how well this is done, there will be criticism. If we feed the poor our motives will be attacked "only interested in getting people saved in the hood" or created "rice bowl Christians".

    The key is God working in each part of the process.
  • mazbeth
    social Gospel - Cross-less?
    social Gospel = 'Love your neighbour'...
    now who said that?

    true Love is dying to self...i.e. the Cross that we are to carry daily

    no, not Cross-Less
  • mazbeth
    social Gospel - Cross-less?
    social Gospel = 'Love your neighbour'...
    now who said that?

    true Love is dying to self...i.e. the Cross that we are to carry daily

    no, not Cross-Less
  • jeffp
    I think the difference is Rick is prejudging an entire segment of the Body of Christ based on a negative experience 25 years ago. I'm defending a large segment of the Body of Christ by my ongoing experience.

    I've worked with them all and have had positive and negative experiences with each for various reasons. But I'm not going to broad brush a whole movement and its members because of one or even a few experiences.
  • squeaky
    I don't know that you can argue against a person's personal experience. you both have had very different experiences and you both base your understanding on those experiences.
  • Their words, not mine.
  • jeffp
    Again, I think you mischaracterize conservative and dispie focus and ministry. I've lived inside or around these groups and your idea of who they are is no where near reality. I've also worked in parachurch ministry with all types of churches and you're not even close in your comparison of church groups.
  • squeaky
    Yes--thank you. You said what I wanted to but didn't quite know how to.
  • squeaky
    "I am seeing how highly important in the Old testament it was to support the poor and those without "

    Your observation reminds me of the story of how a good friend of mine came to Christ. I (and others) had witnessed to her on several occasions, but what brought her to Christ wasn't the thought of eternity in Hell. Rather, she responded to the Bible's message concerning the "least of these" which she found in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.

    Some are turned off by the Old Testament because of the violence, but she was drawn in by it because of the mercy she found there.
  • Actually, I base that on what former dispensationalists have told me personally, and former dispie Tony Campolo had actually written a chapter in a recent book about that. (Or perhaps you're just not aware of that.) Yes, I attend a CMA church, but because it has a number of non-dispie folks in it (I'm one of a strong minority of Calvinists) it has become equally focused on the here and now -- probably no church in our city does as much ministry as ours. (The senior pastor had even attended a Reformed seminary for a time.)

    Anyway, my point is about the doctrine of sin -- what you referred to as the "cross." A lot of people we would consider "conservative" focus either on personal piety, as I mentioned earlier; or moral purity (primarily sexual) without considering issues like racism, economics and the like which God also identifies as sin (but we don't often read those passages). You see, it's really easy to condemn the sins that the other guy is committing without checking the whole of Scripture to find out where you fall short.
  • jeffp
    I agree completely, it did come off as mean spirited.
  • jeffp
    Yes, but this can not be done without the one who has broken down the wall that separates us. This is a good moral teaching but without Jesus redemptive work it is impossible.
  • jeffp
    It seems as if you want to disagree with me even when you agree with me.

    I've attended many dispensationally minded churches and know many dispensationaly minded pastors (100's) and have never seem a church or met a pastor that fits your often stated profile. I think you are trying to make a person view into a universal truth. BTW, don't you go to a Dispie church yourself (CMA)?
  • Nathan Bedford
    Now, more than halfway through the 7th decade of my life, I have heard hundreds of sermons. Many of them have had a lasting impression on my life. I have also heard Joel Osteen's sermons on TV and the kindest word that I can use to describe them is "vacuous." Now that doesn't mean that he is a bad person or that I think that he is ripping people off. It just means that if I lived in his city, I would not attend his church.

    Now as for Becky's Blog. Many ministries have reserved large outdoor facilities to present the gospel to those who have not accepted Christ and to the extent that those meetings result in life-changing decisions, I applaud them. However, this is the first instance (that I have heard) of in which the evangelist actually charged admission - free will offerings, yes; admission, no. So Becky's account of the "service" that she attended in which they not only charged admission, but also passed the plate, tends to reinforce stereotypes that we have acquired about TV evangelists and the scandals in which they have been involved.

    Those who have responded to God's call on their lives to preach the gospel will always be subjected to criticism. However, they also have a special obligation to live their lives in such a way that they are above reproach. When they fail to do that, critiques will follow.
  • JamesM
    This was an excellent article by Becky Garrison. On a sheer personal level, I have a hard time disliking Joel Osteen. He did one thing right- he is very positive and he is not a purveyor of self-righteous judgmentalism that many [not all!] conservative preachers can be. Having said that, I believe that Joel Osteen represents a "processed" form of Christianity. IMO, the real experience with God comes alone in devotional times and in much smaller, intimate groups.

    Squeaky, thank you for your comments. As usual, they hit the mark.
  • 1Grace
    "any "gospel" without the cross is no gospel. But I'm also beginning to see that any gospel without the Kingdom is severely lacking as well. "

    Squeaky glad you stated this . I know many of us realize how important giving to the poor is in regards to our Faith . Have been reading much scripture as of late and in a good Bible Study . I am seeing how highly important in the Old testament it was to support the poor and those without . . The prophets spoke to it often, and God judged Isreal on how they treated the least of us .

    In my youth i went to a respectfull and popular Episcopal church . Never heard salavation or relationship with Christ preached on a personal level. The church did much good for the local community, and I speak highly normaly of the last impression I received there of the holiness of God . Social Justice without the Cross is just as ineeficient as the Cross without any concern of the least of us and those in need.
  • letjusticerolldown
    I too am a bit sad at tone of the piece. Honestly, Joel O broadcasts make me gag. But I've also been around the block enough times in life to know alot of our issues are nothing more than taste/culture. Something doesn't meet our socio-religious-cultural sensibilities--we reject it as unbiblical.
  • The difference is that the "fundie" churches are often so full of rules you have to obey to appear spiritual that you can miss God in the process -- that was the problem with the Pharisees (Philip Yancey's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" makes many references to that). The "liberal" churches, on the other hand, often ignore or discount doctrine to a point that they don't even know who God is; I left such a church about 25 years ago for that reason. That was the reason Jim Wallis subtitled the "God's Politics" book "Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It."

    Also, the more dispensationally-minded churches tended to dismiss social action altogether unless there was a direct link to evangelism because, in that view, getting people "saved" was the primary purpose of the church. Now, these folks had the "cross," so to speak, but only in a personally pietistic way, which was different from the properly holistic Gospel that (thank God) is being preached more and more today in evangelical churches.
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