Actually, Shane has risked both jail time AND his life by going to Iraq with the Christian Peacemakers (see his book “The Irresistible Revolution”).

And I agree with talitha koum, that college students sleeping outside in cardboard boxes -is- meaningful, as it may mean a life of service and compassion to those living in cardboard boxes on regular basis (esp. up North!).

I MAY NEVER MARCH IN THE INFANTRY, RIDE IN THE CAVALRY, SHOOT THE ARTILLERY; I MAY NEVER FLY O'ER THE ENEMY, BUT I'Z IN THE LO-WARD'S ARMEE, YEE-HAW! (repeat**)

ALTOGETHER NOW

I'Z IN THE LO-WARD'S ARMEE, YEE-HAW! I'Z IN THE LO-WARD'S ARMEE, YEE-HAH! (to repeat**) – and repeat ad nauseum until Squeaky tires of squeezin' the accordion YEE-HAW!

No one will attack you usually because you are too well qualified to protect yourself . So actually bullies . What we need to make sure is we are never the bully.

Strong military is not the problem , its the problem we have in our hearts from my perspective.

Tyler @2FP

There is no contradiction in my understanding – they are complementary – as opposed to deficient. Mine takes into account the witness of both the NT and OT – while the “meek Jesus” view picks and chooses only portions of the Gospels alone – and doesn't even account for Jesus' words that he came “not to bring peace, but a sword.”

I'm not advocating violence. Nor am I advocating attempts to establish a theocracy – which can't happen until Christ is sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem. I am simply suggesting that we not take away from Scripture – for which there are ample warnings.

In their efforts to draw more Christians to their cause, the founders of Two Futures probably want to assure other Christians who may not trust the founders' Christian credentials that they, in fact, do share the same Christian convictions. It makes sense to me.

You also seem to be arguing that since Jesus' ministry is the exception, we can therefore disregard His ministry and message. He fulfilled the law, however, and that act alone set us all free from the apparent condemnation and judgment in the OT.

Alternatively, perhaps the OT should be viewed through the light of Christ rather than the other way around. Given that Jesus came to Earth to put a face and personality to God so we can see Who He really is, it would seem the former might be the better approach.

The condemnation you see in the Bible is not what I see when I look at Jesus.

And even if the OT judgment were still in effect, where does God give us the mandate to mete out that judgment? We cannot judge perfectly, and thus don't have the authority to do so, unless given to us, and it has not been.

Here is a list of those that Jesus would (and did bomb):
The Amalekites
The Canaanites
The Egyptians
The Amorites
The Edomites
The Babylonians
In general, all the nations that stood against the God of Israel, YHWH, the pre-incarnate Christ.

The question as put, is loaded. and straw-man – bait and switch argumentation at its best. It completely ignores the testimony of Scripture. During the brief 33 years of Jesus sojourn on the earth as the incarnate Son of God, his message and missions were temporarily modified for a specific purpose. But the testimony of history past – and the promise of history future, indicates that Jesus' approach from AD 27-33 (depending on your chronology) was the exception, not the rule, in how God deals with those who have rejected Him.