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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on Obama&#8217;s Notre Dame Address</title>
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		<title>By: judithod</title>
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		<dc:creator>judithod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely agree with your point that &quot;the solution is far bigger than a law can achieve.&quot; As stated earlier, the programs that I&#039;ve seen work are those that involve young women in meaningful activities--creative, environmental, community-oriented--which inspire new interests and skills as well as self-respect. In the &quot;old days&quot; when I was young, Girl Scouts, Camp Fire Girls, Candy-Stripers (hospital volunteers) fulfilled that purpose, but today, with the influx of different ethnic groups and cultural values, no one program or activity fits all.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Did enjoy USNA commencement. Attended in 2001 as a parent, and this one was different but also very special. Have interviewed candidates for 10 years, and was invited to pin on the shoulder boards by one of &quot;my mids&quot;--young Hmong woman who came here as a &quot;boat person&quot; and who has amazing courage, determination, and initiative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely agree with your point that &#8220;the solution is far bigger than a law can achieve.&#8221; As stated earlier, the programs that I&#39;ve seen work are those that involve young women in meaningful activities&#8211;creative, environmental, community-oriented&#8211;which inspire new interests and skills as well as self-respect. In the &#8220;old days&#8221; when I was young, Girl Scouts, Camp Fire Girls, Candy-Stripers (hospital volunteers) fulfilled that purpose, but today, with the influx of different ethnic groups and cultural values, no one program or activity fits all.</p>
<p>Did enjoy USNA commencement. Attended in 2001 as a parent, and this one was different but also very special. Have interviewed candidates for 10 years, and was invited to pin on the shoulder boards by one of &#8220;my mids&#8221;&#8211;young Hmong woman who came here as a &#8220;boat person&#8221; and who has amazing courage, determination, and initiative.</p>
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		<title>By: squeaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>squeaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah--hope you enjoyed the commencement!</description>
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		<title>By: squeaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>squeaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your work with young women.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is just the kind of work that I think is a great example of something people of all political viewpoints can come together on.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think both sides have major trust issues, and one way to overcome that is to start working together on common goals.  Certainly dealing with means of combatting unwanted teen pregnancy is a goal we can all work towards.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But it just goes to the point that the solution is far bigger than a law can achieve, and also the point that I think there is common ground we can find.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll check out your link--looks like an interesting article.  When I was in Indiana, I was astounded by the number of my students who were pregnant outside of marriage, and that in a community where a church was on every corner.  It&#039;s anecdotal, but it just seemed it was on a much higher occurrence than in other parts of the country--even those parts that didn&#039;t have a church on every corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your work with young women.</p>
<p>This is just the kind of work that I think is a great example of something people of all political viewpoints can come together on.</p>
<p>I think both sides have major trust issues, and one way to overcome that is to start working together on common goals.  Certainly dealing with means of combatting unwanted teen pregnancy is a goal we can all work towards.  </p>
<p>But it just goes to the point that the solution is far bigger than a law can achieve, and also the point that I think there is common ground we can find.  </p>
<p>I&#39;ll check out your link&#8211;looks like an interesting article.  When I was in Indiana, I was astounded by the number of my students who were pregnant outside of marriage, and that in a community where a church was on every corner.  It&#39;s anecdotal, but it just seemed it was on a much higher occurrence than in other parts of the country&#8211;even those parts that didn&#39;t have a church on every corner.</p>
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		<title>By: judithod</title>
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		<dc:creator>judithod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 01:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am sorry about the delayed response. Traveled to Annapolis for the U.S. Naval Academy graduation, where, ironically, Obama was the commencement speaker and John McCain&#039;s son was a member of the graduating class. No discussion of abortion at that commencement!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wish I had the magic answer to implementing the solutions, Squeaky. For 6 years, I served on the board of a foundation that had teen pregnancy prevention as its main goal. This was not a white-glove board; we actually went into the community to get to know firsthand the teens and the organizations working with them. The most effective programs we witnessed were those that actively promoted self-respect, encouraging the young women to believe in themselves and their abilities via community projects that typically paired them with strong women as role models. The programs that failed were those that just preached at the young women, whether they advocated abstinence or birth control.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally, I believe we&#039;ve made &quot;discarding&quot; too easy in our society--discarding spouses via divorce, discarding virtue via casual sex. Both commitment and weighing consequences appear to be perceived as old fashioned.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Recommend reading &quot;The Real Pregnancy Crisis&quot; by W. Bradford Wilcox in the 22 May 2009 Wall Street Journal. You should be able to find it online at &lt;a href=&quot;http://WSJ.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WSJ.com&lt;/a&gt;. Contains some chilling statistics on the number of children born outside of marriage in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am sorry about the delayed response. Traveled to Annapolis for the U.S. Naval Academy graduation, where, ironically, Obama was the commencement speaker and John McCain&#39;s son was a member of the graduating class. No discussion of abortion at that commencement!</p>
<p>I wish I had the magic answer to implementing the solutions, Squeaky. For 6 years, I served on the board of a foundation that had teen pregnancy prevention as its main goal. This was not a white-glove board; we actually went into the community to get to know firsthand the teens and the organizations working with them. The most effective programs we witnessed were those that actively promoted self-respect, encouraging the young women to believe in themselves and their abilities via community projects that typically paired them with strong women as role models. The programs that failed were those that just preached at the young women, whether they advocated abstinence or birth control.</p>
<p>Personally, I believe we&#39;ve made &#8220;discarding&#8221; too easy in our society&#8211;discarding spouses via divorce, discarding virtue via casual sex. Both commitment and weighing consequences appear to be perceived as old fashioned.</p>
<p>Recommend reading &#8220;The Real Pregnancy Crisis&#8221; by W. Bradford Wilcox in the 22 May 2009 Wall Street Journal. You should be able to find it online at <a href="http://WSJ.com" rel="nofollow">WSJ.com</a>. Contains some chilling statistics on the number of children born outside of marriage in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Fortuitous Bouncing &#171; man.of.depravity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fortuitous Bouncing &#171; man.of.depravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 17:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gouthro</title>
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		<dc:creator>gouthro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 20:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article, Jim.  I am more or less along the same wavelength as yourself.  In your article, however, I was left on my hunger, as I believe that the great barrier to finding common ground is the perception that there is no common ground.  Each side sees itself as absolutely right.  While I agree with Obama in calling for at least a modicum of humility in our opinions, there may legitimately come a time when certainty is called demanded.  Karl Barth did not negotiate with the Nazis, for instance, he wrote the Barman Declaration.  I am sure that a number of people believe that we are in a similar situation regarding the abortion debate.  It seems to me that this great divide has to be addressed in any appeal to find common ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article, Jim.  I am more or less along the same wavelength as yourself.  In your article, however, I was left on my hunger, as I believe that the great barrier to finding common ground is the perception that there is no common ground.  Each side sees itself as absolutely right.  While I agree with Obama in calling for at least a modicum of humility in our opinions, there may legitimately come a time when certainty is called demanded.  Karl Barth did not negotiate with the Nazis, for instance, he wrote the Barman Declaration.  I am sure that a number of people believe that we are in a similar situation regarding the abortion debate.  It seems to me that this great divide has to be addressed in any appeal to find common ground.</p>
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		<title>By: squeaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>squeaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good.  I doubt that many people, regardless of the stance they take on abortion, would disagree with that.  So, it seems there is room for discussion.  Now how do you get both sides to the table?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If those are the solutions, what is your proposal to implement them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good.  I doubt that many people, regardless of the stance they take on abortion, would disagree with that.  So, it seems there is room for discussion.  Now how do you get both sides to the table?  </p>
<p>If those are the solutions, what is your proposal to implement them?</p>
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		<title>By: neuro_nurse</title>
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		<dc:creator>neuro_nurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is from the first result of a Google search of ‘federal funding planned parenthood&#039; - the language is rather subjective:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;October 31, 2004&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“This adds up to a total of over $100 million of federal taxpayer dollars given annually, during George W. Bush&#039;s presidency, through just these two programs, made possible by President Bush&#039;s own signature of approval on repeated HHS Appropriations bills, to Planned Parenthood, the largest chain of child-murder-by-abortion centers in America”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“George W. Bush is NOT Pro-life&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“The thought of calling someone who authorizes over $100 million per year of taxpayers&#039; federal funds to be appropriated to Planned Parenthood (Murder, Inc.) &quot;Pro-Life&quot;, is outrageous. &quot;He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.&quot; Proverb 17:15&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“By funding Planned Parenthood, President Bush and the Republican-majority Congress are justifying the wicked. Therefore, according to the Word of God, President Bush, and all those in Congress who voted to pass this baby-killing-funding legislation, are abomination to the LORD. So what would that make a Christian who voted &quot;for&quot; someone who is &quot;abomination to the LORD&quot;?”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“BUSH: &quot;... My answer is, we&#039;re not going to spend taxpayers&#039; money on abortion.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“Conclusion # 1: George W. Bush did not speak the truth to Americans on October 8 in the Second Presidential Debate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“Conclusion # 2: George W. Bush is NOT Pro-LIfe!” (sic)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.covenantnews.com/lefemine041031.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.covenantnews.com/lefemine041031.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Isn’t Google great?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is from the first result of a Google search of ‘federal funding planned parenthood&#39; &#8211; the language is rather subjective:</p>
<p>October 31, 2004</p>
<p>“This adds up to a total of over $100 million of federal taxpayer dollars given annually, during George W. Bush&#39;s presidency, through just these two programs, made possible by President Bush&#39;s own signature of approval on repeated HHS Appropriations bills, to Planned Parenthood, the largest chain of child-murder-by-abortion centers in America”</p>
<p>“George W. Bush is NOT Pro-life</p>
<p>“The thought of calling someone who authorizes over $100 million per year of taxpayers&#39; federal funds to be appropriated to Planned Parenthood (Murder, Inc.) &#8220;Pro-Life&#8221;, is outrageous. &#8220;He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.&#8221; Proverb 17:15</p>
<p>“By funding Planned Parenthood, President Bush and the Republican-majority Congress are justifying the wicked. Therefore, according to the Word of God, President Bush, and all those in Congress who voted to pass this baby-killing-funding legislation, are abomination to the LORD. So what would that make a Christian who voted &#8220;for&#8221; someone who is &#8220;abomination to the LORD&#8221;?”</p>
<p>“BUSH: &#8220;&#8230; My answer is, we&#39;re not going to spend taxpayers&#39; money on abortion.&#8221;</p>
<p>“Conclusion # 1: George W. Bush did not speak the truth to Americans on October 8 in the Second Presidential Debate.</p>
<p>“Conclusion # 2: George W. Bush is NOT Pro-LIfe!” (sic)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.covenantnews.com/lefemine041031.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.covenantnews.com/lefemine041031.htm</a></p>
<p>Isn’t Google great?!</p>
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		<title>By: neuro_nurse</title>
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		<dc:creator>neuro_nurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 12:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“So why is the Catholic Church opposed to saving lives by using these cells which are going to be destroyed no matter what?”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That’s a loaded question, but thanks for asking.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Church, of course, does not oppose saving lives.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Aside from the fact that that an embryo is considered by Catholics to be a living human being, the Church also opposes in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination, and contraception based on the doctrine of the purposes of marriage – fecundity:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act.&quot; CCC 2366&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words; marriage, sex, and procreation cannot be separated.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I’m not defending the doctrine, I’m just answering your question.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Declaration on the Production and the Scientific and Therapeutic use of Human Embryonic Stem Cells. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdlife/documents/rc_pa_acdlife_doc_20000824_cellule-staminali_en.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_ac...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stem Cell Research and Human Cloning: Questions and Answers&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usccb.org/stemcellcampaign/q_and_a.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.usccb.org/stemcellcampaign/q_and_a.s...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“So why is the Catholic Church opposed to saving lives by using these cells which are going to be destroyed no matter what?”</p>
<p>That’s a loaded question, but thanks for asking.</p>
<p>The Church, of course, does not oppose saving lives.</p>
<p>Aside from the fact that that an embryo is considered by Catholics to be a living human being, the Church also opposes in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination, and contraception based on the doctrine of the purposes of marriage – fecundity:</p>
<p>&#8220;This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act.&#8221; CCC 2366</p>
<p>In other words; marriage, sex, and procreation cannot be separated.</p>
<p>I’m not defending the doctrine, I’m just answering your question.</p>
<p>Declaration on the Production and the Scientific and Therapeutic use of Human Embryonic Stem Cells. <a href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdlife/documents/rc_pa_acdlife_doc_20000824_cellule-staminali_en.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_ac.." rel="nofollow">http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_ac..</a>.</p>
<p>Stem Cell Research and Human Cloning: Questions and Answers<br /><a href="http://www.usccb.org/stemcellcampaign/q_and_a.shtml" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.usccb.org/stemcellcampaign/q_and_a.s.." rel="nofollow">http://www.usccb.org/stemcellcampaign/q_and_a.s..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: neuro_nurse</title>
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		<dc:creator>neuro_nurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 12:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;See, we do share some common ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely!</p>
<p>See, we do share some common ground.</p>
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		<title>By: WaveTossed</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaveTossed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 12:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When he reversed the Bush stem cell policy he said this, implying that this was an issue of &#039;science&#039; vs. &#039;government manipulation and coercion&#039; made the statement below. Talk about caricatures and strawmen.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;&#039;This Order is an important step in advancing the cause of science in America. But let&#039;s be clear: promoting science isn&#039;t just about providing resources - it is also about protecting free and open inquiry. It is about letting scientists like those here today do their jobs, free from manipulation or coercion, and listening to what they tell us, even when it&#039;s inconvenient - especially when it&#039;s inconvenient. It is about ensuring that scientific data is never distorted or concealed to serve a political agenda - and that we make scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology.&#039;&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not Catholic, I am Episcopalian. The Episcopal Church does not oppose embryonic stem-cell research. So I am unclear about why the Catholic church opposes this. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My understanding is that embryonic stem cells come from embryos that would be destroyed in any case; none of these embryos would ever be born. Using stem cells from these embryos can save lives. It&#039;s like the people who are brain dead who end up donating their organs so that others can live. I&#039;ve signed up for donating my organs once I am gone. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So why is the Catholic Church opposed to saving lives by using these cells which are going to be destroyed no matter what? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do see a significant difference between opposing abortion and opposing embryonic stem cell research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When he reversed the Bush stem cell policy he said this, implying that this was an issue of &#39;science&#39; vs. &#39;government manipulation and coercion&#39; made the statement below. Talk about caricatures and strawmen.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#39;This Order is an important step in advancing the cause of science in America. But let&#39;s be clear: promoting science isn&#39;t just about providing resources &#8211; it is also about protecting free and open inquiry. It is about letting scientists like those here today do their jobs, free from manipulation or coercion, and listening to what they tell us, even when it&#39;s inconvenient &#8211; especially when it&#39;s inconvenient. It is about ensuring that scientific data is never distorted or concealed to serve a political agenda &#8211; and that we make scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology.&#39;&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not Catholic, I am Episcopalian. The Episcopal Church does not oppose embryonic stem-cell research. So I am unclear about why the Catholic church opposes this. </p>
<p>My understanding is that embryonic stem cells come from embryos that would be destroyed in any case; none of these embryos would ever be born. Using stem cells from these embryos can save lives. It&#39;s like the people who are brain dead who end up donating their organs so that others can live. I&#39;ve signed up for donating my organs once I am gone. </p>
<p>So why is the Catholic Church opposed to saving lives by using these cells which are going to be destroyed no matter what? </p>
<p>I do see a significant difference between opposing abortion and opposing embryonic stem cell research.</p>
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		<title>By: WaveTossed</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaveTossed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 12:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry Goldwater was someone who was truly for states&#039; rights. Whereas the Jim Crow believers were using states&#039; rights merely as excuses to keep African-Americans from achieving their civil rights. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nowadays, the same sorts of people who used to scream &quot;states rights&quot; are the same people who now want the Feds to pass a Federal Constitutional Amendment to prevent states such as New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and others from passing laws allowing Gay marriage.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When states&#039; rights = denying rights, these people would support states&#039; rights. When states&#039; rights = acknowledging rights, these people now oppose states&#039; rights. Barry Goldwater believed in states&#039; rights on principle rather than as convenient excuses to deny people civil rights. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Back then (and still now), I disagree with what Goldwater said then about states&#039; rights. This was because states were violating a Federal Constitutional right to vote. Still, I can respect Goldwater for his views even when I disagree with some of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Goldwater was someone who was truly for states&#39; rights. Whereas the Jim Crow believers were using states&#39; rights merely as excuses to keep African-Americans from achieving their civil rights. </p>
<p>Nowadays, the same sorts of people who used to scream &#8220;states rights&#8221; are the same people who now want the Feds to pass a Federal Constitutional Amendment to prevent states such as New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and others from passing laws allowing Gay marriage.</p>
<p>When states&#39; rights = denying rights, these people would support states&#39; rights. When states&#39; rights = acknowledging rights, these people now oppose states&#39; rights. Barry Goldwater believed in states&#39; rights on principle rather than as convenient excuses to deny people civil rights. </p>
<p>Back then (and still now), I disagree with what Goldwater said then about states&#39; rights. This was because states were violating a Federal Constitutional right to vote. Still, I can respect Goldwater for his views even when I disagree with some of them.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, straight-up.  Because effective political advocacy often requires beating up on somebody -- the cliche &quot;hate sells&quot; still applies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, straight-up.  Because effective political advocacy often requires beating up on somebody &#8212; the cliche &#8220;hate sells&#8221; still applies.</p>
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		<title>By: letjusticerolldown</title>
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		<dc:creator>letjusticerolldown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put 100 voters, half black and half white, in a room with six political candidates. The Republican and Democrat parties have been euthanized.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;JC Watts&lt;br&gt;Barbara Lee&lt;br&gt;Al Sharpton&lt;br&gt;John Edwards&lt;br&gt;Tim Pawlenty&lt;br&gt;Arnold Schwartzenager&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do you any of these candidates could fashion a middle-of-the-road campaign attracting about 15 whites and 15 blacks?  i.e. Not a dominant campaign (like Obama) that attracts all of one racial block and part of the other. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do you not see a significant number of blacks and whites with a range of common interests who will move in unity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put 100 voters, half black and half white, in a room with six political candidates. The Republican and Democrat parties have been euthanized.</p>
<p>JC Watts<br />Barbara Lee<br />Al Sharpton<br />John Edwards<br />Tim Pawlenty<br />Arnold Schwartzenager</p>
<p>Do you any of these candidates could fashion a middle-of-the-road campaign attracting about 15 whites and 15 blacks?  i.e. Not a dominant campaign (like Obama) that attracts all of one racial block and part of the other. </p>
<p>Do you not see a significant number of blacks and whites with a range of common interests who will move in unity?</p>
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		<title>By: letjusticerolldown</title>
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		<dc:creator>letjusticerolldown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He did have significant black support (I do not know the numbers). But then he was not running against Obama or Andrew Young either. He was a Democrat running against Emory Folmar, Republican. I won&#039;t label the man--but if you can imagine many blacks voting for G Wallace--you might imagine the alternative. And of course Wallace had been shot in his presidential campaign as well. This combined with a religious conversion, a softening-aging man, person with softening racial views who could manage to apologize, and a racism that was much more political calculation than ideological--was someone many blacks could vote for and some could actively support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He did have significant black support (I do not know the numbers). But then he was not running against Obama or Andrew Young either. He was a Democrat running against Emory Folmar, Republican. I won&#39;t label the man&#8211;but if you can imagine many blacks voting for G Wallace&#8211;you might imagine the alternative. And of course Wallace had been shot in his presidential campaign as well. This combined with a religious conversion, a softening-aging man, person with softening racial views who could manage to apologize, and a racism that was much more political calculation than ideological&#8211;was someone many blacks could vote for and some could actively support.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 01:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He did.  But he had to because most whites were trending GOP anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He did.  But he had to because most whites were trending GOP anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 01:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything you said is true -- he once said that someone &quot;should kick [Jerry Falwell] in the ass&quot; -- but he also came out against the civil-rights movement, and keep in mind that much of the opposition was justified by &quot;states&#039; rights,&quot; which Goldwater also believed in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything you said is true &#8212; he once said that someone &#8220;should kick [Jerry Falwell] in the ass&#8221; &#8212; but he also came out against the civil-rights movement, and keep in mind that much of the opposition was justified by &#8220;states&#39; rights,&#8221; which Goldwater also believed in.</p>
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		<title>By: WaveTossed</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaveTossed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It was Barry Goldwater who began to draw Southern whites to the Republican Party&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ironically, Barry Goldwater was a social libertarian. He believe in equality not only for Blacks but for such groups as Gays. And I believe (though I might be wrong) that he was pro-choice. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He would be rolling in his grave over all of the current-day social conservatives and their calls for government intrusion into peoples&#039; personal lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It was Barry Goldwater who began to draw Southern whites to the Republican Party&#8221;</p>
<p>Ironically, Barry Goldwater was a social libertarian. He believe in equality not only for Blacks but for such groups as Gays. And I believe (though I might be wrong) that he was pro-choice. </p>
<p>He would be rolling in his grave over all of the current-day social conservatives and their calls for government intrusion into peoples&#39; personal lives.</p>
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		<title>By: WitnessforPeace</title>
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		<dc:creator>WitnessforPeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very glad to hear that!! Didn&#039;t Wallace get elected again as Gov. with black support after his sincere repentence?&lt;br&gt;Blessings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very glad to hear that!! Didn&#39;t Wallace get elected again as Gov. with black support after his sincere repentence?<br />Blessings</p>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;And there could be potentially a third party candidate--who could carry 35% of votes (half black and half white) and carry the state.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not in our lifetimes.  The division is still way too wide for people to come together because, frankly, too many whites still play the culture war game in the South.  Bear in mind that Southern conservatism is, and always was, somewhat reactionary, which blacks generally are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And there could be potentially a third party candidate&#8211;who could carry 35% of votes (half black and half white) and carry the state.</i></p>
<p>Not in our lifetimes.  The division is still way too wide for people to come together because, frankly, too many whites still play the culture war game in the South.  Bear in mind that Southern conservatism is, and always was, somewhat reactionary, which blacks generally are not.</p>
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