You wrote: “Wave Humanism to me is basically the human rationalizing of life , and it is
geared towards the greater good .
My arguemnt with Humanism is it is godless or can be godless. Its a philospy
we use because it makes sense to us .”

Wow! I didn't know that there is actually a philosophy called “Secular Humanism.” There is a Website:

http://www.secularhumanism.org/

Here is their basic statement of beliefs:

“Secular Humanism is a way of thinking and living that aims to bring out the best in people so that all people can have the best in life. Secular humanists reject supernatural and authoritarian beliefs. They affirm that we must take responsibility for our own lives and the communities and world in which we live. Secular humanism emphasizes reason and scientific inquiry, individual freedom and responsibility, human values and compassion, and the need for tolerance and cooperation.”

Needless to say, I am not a Secular Humanist because I believe in religion and I believe in God. And I believe in Jesus Christ as God's Son and Savior. I was in church today and as always, we recited together the Nicene Creed to affirm our beliefs in One God the Father, His Son, and the Holy Spirit.

However, some of the values expressed by this site we do have in common: Human values, compassion, taking responsibility for our own lives. Agreeing with some of these values doesn't make me a Secular Humanist.

“Working and volunteering for the schools I saw schools change an approach to
discipline , education , and community values .
For instance a 14 year old having sex , one time considered immoral ,
unhealthy . Its still unhealthy , immoral , destrutive to
that child . But even Christians accept humanism as part of our 'universal
' method of dealing with the culture . We see it as neutral.”

I don't know about your church, but my church doesn't see 14 year old having sex as “neutral.” We see it in our lives and we believe that it is unhealthy. I don't know of any Christian churches that see sex performed by 14 year olds as being “healthy” and needs to be accepted as part of any “universal” method of dealing with our culture. I also failed to see any statement like that on the Secular Humanist site.

Teen age sex and also pedophilia is a serious problem. In too many instances, people seem to see sex between teen-agers and adults as being something “perfectly natural” as long as it is “consensual.” This is true especially when the sex is between a teen-age boy and an adult woman. Too many people seem to think that this isn't child abuse, that this is “a teen-ager's wet dream” or some such nonsense. Fortunately, some of the teachers, including female teachers having sex with teen-age boys have been prosecuted and sentenced. However, there was a famous case a few years ago where an older female teacher made a boy have sex with her and she got pregnant: she received seven years in prison, but many people were sympathetic with her. I believe that she received custody of the child once she got out of prison, which is a travesty. The Hollywood media even made a TV movie of this travesty.

“President Obama used it in his Notre Dame speech, it was a great speech .
But his neutrality was abortion being ok and ok to be against it .
Thats not neutral , a great speech , but not neutral from a Christian
perspective . Or the Pope's . I agree that civility and working together is
a good idea . Maybe that is Humanism also . But its logical to me .”

There isn't a consensus among Christians about abortion. Not all of us follow the Pope; I know I don't because I am Episcopalian, not Catholic.

“It would be inappropriate now in a school district to have a teacher or
Nurse tell this young girl what she is doing is wrong .”

Really? Which school district?

Though knowing the idiocies of most present-day school administrators, I wouldn't be surprised. I taught in inner-city public schools for many years before changing my career.

“Secular Humanism is considered neutral .It is anything but for that 14 year
old little girl .
Nothing is new under the Sun, we have always tried to take on the role of
God and rationalize life out for ourself .
But if it is disguised for good or evil , I believe the results end up the
same . “

I think that you might be confusing Secular Humanism with moral relativism. For instance, I know that divorce is a horrendous evil wrought upon our society. So many children get hurt by divorce. And yet I don't see any movement within our churches to try and end divorce and help people get married in a wiser way. And then once married, stay married. I keep hearing and seeing people knowing each other for a few weeks and then they rush off to the marriage alter. At my church, our pastor counsels any couple seeking marriage through several sessions to make sure that they are right for each other and understand the solemnity of their marriage vows. Ignoring the evils and pitfalls of divorce is an example of moral relativism practiced by too many Christian churches.

I even once read where a minister of a church wrote that marriage between a 10 year old and an adult -particularly between a 10 year old girl and an adult man – was perfectly OK. This is advocating child abuse, pure and simple.

It would be inappropriate now in a school district to have a teacher or
Nurse tell this young girl what she is doing is wrong .
Secular Humanism is considered neutral .It is anything but for that 14 year
old little girl .
Nothing is new under the Sun, we have always tried to take on the role of
God and rationalize life out for ourself .
But if it is disguised for good or evil , I believe the results end up the
same .

Do me a favor and please define “humanism.” And please show me in what ways this doctrine is not “Christian,” even if some Christian churches are (according to what you say) adopting this doctrine.

I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm trying to understand. I've heard the term “secular humanism” before. I've visited a site dedicated to self-described Humanist thought. I don't see that much difference between what was advocated at this Humanist site and what is advocated at many Christian churches. Other than that some of these Humanists don't explicitly worship Jesus or God. Some of these Humanists might be atheists, but I didn't get the impression that all of them were. And some of them may be explicitly Christian, believing in God and in Jesus Christ as the Son of God.

So please tell me why “the culture of humanism” is — as a whole — “not Christian.” It would seem that some Humanists are Christian and many are not.

Wasn't that the same time that “that which is perfect” of 1Corinthians 13 came and now we don't need anything other than “The Word”? ; )

Chrisitianity is indeed alive and well…and it is experiencing vibrancy in places that mainstream white Middle America finds uncomfortable. But we ignore or resist this shift to our own peril.

We need to get back to a New Testament type church like in the book of Acts.

There is actually no scriptural support for a “Christian Nation” anyway. And Jesus himself said in, words to this effect, that he did not come to set up a political kingdom.

In fact, the early church did not call themselves “Christian;” they called themselves “Believers.”

I am openly gay and I have been a Believer in Jesus since I was 8 years old. I am now 66.

If Jesus said anything about those whom we would call gay, the Gospel writers never mentioned it. There is no word in the original languages of the Scripture that can even be correctly interpreted or translated as “homosexual.”

http://whosoever.org/index.shtml

I am in one of those denominations that is actually growing . But I would say it might have some to do with those new immigrants coming to this country , our denomination has diverse congregations.

But The American church culture appears dominated by rationalizing , and I think it would be wrong to say even growing denominations do not have to deal with it .. As you say keeping the integrity of their culture . The culture of humanism and the rationalizing behind it almost always is seen going for the greater good. But it is not Christian , and it is is becoming more and more doctrinal in our churches .

If you can't figure out the scripture , it was written in correctly .
Humanism is the religion of academia, and its influence our culture is dominating it in my opinion. My pastor says America has a bank roll of Christian Spirituality . Sort of like why does a person prosper perhaps when we all see he or she is doing everything wrong . Well someone is praying for that person , or he had a Grand Ma that prayed for him and never gave up .