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		<title>By: Palosaari</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/06/23/iran-twitter-truth-and-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-111949</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You &quot;wonder how other atrocities would have gone...had Twitter been around...&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While watching the events in Iran unfold, I have been drawn back to memories of the fall of Communism under Gorbachev and Yeltsin on the tank.  The Soviets closed off all phones, but weren&#039;t aware enough of the internet, and the listserves and email ran wild, though there was only one connection into the USSR, over a modem.  (There were requests for Westerners not to use up bandwidth going into the USSR.)  I kept many of those emails from a usenet I frequented at the time.  Here&#039;s a couple from those heady days:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot; To all people of good will!&lt;br&gt; We want you to know that the democracy in the USSR&lt;br&gt; is in great danger. The junta of Yanaev, Yazov,&lt;br&gt; Kruchkov etc. try to displace legal power with&lt;br&gt; the help of military forces. They want to return&lt;br&gt; to the old communist system, to put an end to&lt;br&gt; perestroika and glasnost. Under their power there&lt;br&gt; will be no human rights, no disarmament, no market&lt;br&gt; economy.&lt;br&gt;   Right now the center of Moscow is surrounded by&lt;br&gt; tanks and soldiers. Thousands of people are standing&lt;br&gt; around the house of Russian Parliament ready to defend&lt;br&gt; Russian Governement and Boris Yeltsin. A lot of mines&lt;br&gt; and plants are on strike. Do not believe that soviet&lt;br&gt; people support this anti-constitutional committee.&lt;br&gt; We, the youth of this country, do not want anybody&lt;br&gt; to bring back the past.&lt;br&gt;   We need your moral support! Demand that your&lt;br&gt; governements do not have any affairs with Yanaev&lt;br&gt; and his accomplices. Demand the return of legal&lt;br&gt; president Gorbachev. Down with the communist tyranny!&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 91 00:17:31 +0300 (MSD)&lt;br&gt;    Subject: Re: Info for Soviet Trip&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    Hi!&lt;br&gt;    Don&#039;t worry, we&#039;re OK, though frightened and angry.&lt;br&gt;    Moscow is full of tanks and military machines, I hate them.&lt;br&gt;    They try to close all mass media, they shuted up CNN an hour ago,&lt;br&gt;    soviet TV transmites opera and old movies.&lt;br&gt;    But, thanks Heaven, they don&#039;t consider RELCOM mass media or&lt;br&gt;    they simply forgot about it. Now we transmit the information&lt;br&gt;    enough to put us in prison for the rest of our life :-)&lt;br&gt;    Hope, all will turn out well at long last...&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;From: (Dimitri Rakitin)&lt;br&gt;Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet&lt;br&gt;Date: 21 Aug 91 15:49:33 GMT&lt;br&gt;Sender: news-server@relcom&lt;br&gt;Organization: Steepler Ltd.&lt;br&gt;Lines: 48&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;                WE WON !!!&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Twitter is good for items like the last, but I think we&#039;ve lost something in not being able to hear more information, as we did during the fall of Communism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You &#8220;wonder how other atrocities would have gone&#8230;had Twitter been around&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>While watching the events in Iran unfold, I have been drawn back to memories of the fall of Communism under Gorbachev and Yeltsin on the tank.  The Soviets closed off all phones, but weren&#39;t aware enough of the internet, and the listserves and email ran wild, though there was only one connection into the USSR, over a modem.  (There were requests for Westerners not to use up bandwidth going into the USSR.)  I kept many of those emails from a usenet I frequented at the time.  Here&#39;s a couple from those heady days:</p>
<p>&#8221; To all people of good will!<br /> We want you to know that the democracy in the USSR<br /> is in great danger. The junta of Yanaev, Yazov,<br /> Kruchkov etc. try to displace legal power with<br /> the help of military forces. They want to return<br /> to the old communist system, to put an end to<br /> perestroika and glasnost. Under their power there<br /> will be no human rights, no disarmament, no market<br /> economy.<br />   Right now the center of Moscow is surrounded by<br /> tanks and soldiers. Thousands of people are standing<br /> around the house of Russian Parliament ready to defend<br /> Russian Governement and Boris Yeltsin. A lot of mines<br /> and plants are on strike. Do not believe that soviet<br /> people support this anti-constitutional committee.<br /> We, the youth of this country, do not want anybody<br /> to bring back the past.<br />   We need your moral support! Demand that your<br /> governements do not have any affairs with Yanaev<br /> and his accomplices. Demand the return of legal<br /> president Gorbachev. Down with the communist tyranny!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8221;    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 91 00:17:31 +0300 (MSD)<br />    Subject: Re: Info for Soviet Trip</p>
<p>    Hi!<br />    Don&#39;t worry, we&#39;re OK, though frightened and angry.<br />    Moscow is full of tanks and military machines, I hate them.<br />    They try to close all mass media, they shuted up CNN an hour ago,<br />    soviet TV transmites opera and old movies.<br />    But, thanks Heaven, they don&#39;t consider RELCOM mass media or<br />    they simply forgot about it. Now we transmit the information<br />    enough to put us in prison for the rest of our life <img src='http://blog.sojo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />    Hope, all will turn out well at long last&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;From: (Dimitri Rakitin)<br />Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet<br />Date: 21 Aug 91 15:49:33 GMT<br />Sender: news-server@relcom<br />Organization: Steepler Ltd.<br />Lines: 48</p>
<p>                WE WON !!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Twitter is good for items like the last, but I think we&#39;ve lost something in not being able to hear more information, as we did during the fall of Communism.</p>
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		<title>By: Stein</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/06/23/iran-twitter-truth-and-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-111950</link>
		<dc:creator>Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie wonders whether:  &quot;the viral spread of information on Twitter — ... possible misinformation — ends up ..., can we really call that information bad?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t want to get into &quot;ends justifies the means&quot; thinking.  I suspect that misinformation will cause more trouble down the road, even if it appears to be driving something positive in the present.  There&#039;s a lot to be said for knowing the truth -- after all, it&#039;ll &quot;set you free&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie wonders whether:  &#8220;the viral spread of information on Twitter — &#8230; possible misinformation — ends up &#8230;, can we really call that information bad?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#39;t want to get into &#8220;ends justifies the means&#8221; thinking.  I suspect that misinformation will cause more trouble down the road, even if it appears to be driving something positive in the present.  There&#39;s a lot to be said for knowing the truth &#8212; after all, it&#39;ll &#8220;set you free&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Palosaari</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/06/23/iran-twitter-truth-and-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-89302</link>
		<dc:creator>Palosaari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You &quot;wonder how other atrocities would have gone...had Twitter been around...&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While watching the events in Iran unfold, I have been drawn back to memories of the fall of Communism under Gorbachev and Yeltsin on the tank.  The Soviets closed off all phones, but weren&#039;t aware enough of the internet, and the listserves and email ran wild, though there was only one connection into the USSR, over a modem.  (There were requests for Westerners not to use up bandwidth going into the USSR.)  I kept many of those emails from a usenet I frequented at the time.  Here&#039;s a couple from those heady days:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot; To all people of good will!&lt;br&gt; We want you to know that the democracy in the USSR&lt;br&gt; is in great danger. The junta of Yanaev, Yazov,&lt;br&gt; Kruchkov etc. try to displace legal power with&lt;br&gt; the help of military forces. They want to return&lt;br&gt; to the old communist system, to put an end to&lt;br&gt; perestroika and glasnost. Under their power there&lt;br&gt; will be no human rights, no disarmament, no market&lt;br&gt; economy.&lt;br&gt;   Right now the center of Moscow is surrounded by&lt;br&gt; tanks and soldiers. Thousands of people are standing&lt;br&gt; around the house of Russian Parliament ready to defend&lt;br&gt; Russian Governement and Boris Yeltsin. A lot of mines&lt;br&gt; and plants are on strike. Do not believe that soviet&lt;br&gt; people support this anti-constitutional committee.&lt;br&gt; We, the youth of this country, do not want anybody&lt;br&gt; to bring back the past.&lt;br&gt;   We need your moral support! Demand that your&lt;br&gt; governements do not have any affairs with Yanaev&lt;br&gt; and his accomplices. Demand the return of legal&lt;br&gt; president Gorbachev. Down with the communist tyranny!&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 91 00:17:31 +0300 (MSD)&lt;br&gt;    Subject: Re: Info for Soviet Trip&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    Hi!&lt;br&gt;    Don&#039;t worry, we&#039;re OK, though frightened and angry.&lt;br&gt;    Moscow is full of tanks and military machines, I hate them.&lt;br&gt;    They try to close all mass media, they shuted up CNN an hour ago,&lt;br&gt;    soviet TV transmites opera and old movies.&lt;br&gt;    But, thanks Heaven, they don&#039;t consider RELCOM mass media or&lt;br&gt;    they simply forgot about it. Now we transmit the information&lt;br&gt;    enough to put us in prison for the rest of our life :-)&lt;br&gt;    Hope, all will turn out well at long last...&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;From: (Dimitri Rakitin)&lt;br&gt;Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet&lt;br&gt;Date: 21 Aug 91 15:49:33 GMT&lt;br&gt;Sender: news-server@relcom&lt;br&gt;Organization: Steepler Ltd.&lt;br&gt;Lines: 48&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;                WE WON !!!&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Twitter is good for items like the last, but I think we&#039;ve lost something in not being able to hear more information, as we did during the fall of Communism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You &#8220;wonder how other atrocities would have gone&#8230;had Twitter been around&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>While watching the events in Iran unfold, I have been drawn back to memories of the fall of Communism under Gorbachev and Yeltsin on the tank.  The Soviets closed off all phones, but weren&#39;t aware enough of the internet, and the listserves and email ran wild, though there was only one connection into the USSR, over a modem.  (There were requests for Westerners not to use up bandwidth going into the USSR.)  I kept many of those emails from a usenet I frequented at the time.  Here&#39;s a couple from those heady days:</p>
<p>&#8221; To all people of good will!<br /> We want you to know that the democracy in the USSR<br /> is in great danger. The junta of Yanaev, Yazov,<br /> Kruchkov etc. try to displace legal power with<br /> the help of military forces. They want to return<br /> to the old communist system, to put an end to<br /> perestroika and glasnost. Under their power there<br /> will be no human rights, no disarmament, no market<br /> economy.<br />   Right now the center of Moscow is surrounded by<br /> tanks and soldiers. Thousands of people are standing<br /> around the house of Russian Parliament ready to defend<br /> Russian Governement and Boris Yeltsin. A lot of mines<br /> and plants are on strike. Do not believe that soviet<br /> people support this anti-constitutional committee.<br /> We, the youth of this country, do not want anybody<br /> to bring back the past.<br />   We need your moral support! Demand that your<br /> governements do not have any affairs with Yanaev<br /> and his accomplices. Demand the return of legal<br /> president Gorbachev. Down with the communist tyranny!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8221;    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 91 00:17:31 +0300 (MSD)<br />    Subject: Re: Info for Soviet Trip</p>
<p>    Hi!<br />    Don&#39;t worry, we&#39;re OK, though frightened and angry.<br />    Moscow is full of tanks and military machines, I hate them.<br />    They try to close all mass media, they shuted up CNN an hour ago,<br />    soviet TV transmites opera and old movies.<br />    But, thanks Heaven, they don&#39;t consider RELCOM mass media or<br />    they simply forgot about it. Now we transmit the information<br />    enough to put us in prison for the rest of our life <img src='http://blog.sojo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />    Hope, all will turn out well at long last&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;From: (Dimitri Rakitin)<br />Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet<br />Date: 21 Aug 91 15:49:33 GMT<br />Sender: news-server@relcom<br />Organization: Steepler Ltd.<br />Lines: 48</p>
<p>                WE WON !!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Twitter is good for items like the last, but I think we&#39;ve lost something in not being able to hear more information, as we did during the fall of Communism.</p>
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		<title>By: Stein</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/06/23/iran-twitter-truth-and-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-89300</link>
		<dc:creator>Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie wonders whether:  &quot;the viral spread of information on Twitter — ... possible misinformation — ends up ..., can we really call that information bad?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t want to get into &quot;ends justifies the means&quot; thinking.  I suspect that misinformation will cause more trouble down the road, even if it appears to be driving something positive in the present.  There&#039;s a lot to be said for knowing the truth -- after all, it&#039;ll &quot;set you free&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie wonders whether:  &#8220;the viral spread of information on Twitter — &#8230; possible misinformation — ends up &#8230;, can we really call that information bad?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#39;t want to get into &#8220;ends justifies the means&#8221; thinking.  I suspect that misinformation will cause more trouble down the road, even if it appears to be driving something positive in the present.  There&#39;s a lot to be said for knowing the truth &#8212; after all, it&#39;ll &#8220;set you free&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: SisterMarie</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/06/23/iran-twitter-truth-and-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-89278</link>
		<dc:creator>SisterMarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way that the events in Iran can have a &quot;happy ending&quot; is if the protests result in the replacement of the current Revolutionary Council with a government that truly represents the people. Unfortunately, the overthrow of an existing government seldom occurs by peaceful means only. At some point the protests will have to turn violent and the protestors must attract the support of at least some of the armed forces. Any government that replaces the existing one can claim legitimacy only if there is no outside support.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If there is one lesson that we can take from the debacle in Iraq, it is that foreign powers have limited abilities to influence the internal politics. Though the Shiites and Sunnis have major differences, they share a common hatred of the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way that the events in Iran can have a &#8220;happy ending&#8221; is if the protests result in the replacement of the current Revolutionary Council with a government that truly represents the people. Unfortunately, the overthrow of an existing government seldom occurs by peaceful means only. At some point the protests will have to turn violent and the protestors must attract the support of at least some of the armed forces. Any government that replaces the existing one can claim legitimacy only if there is no outside support.</p>
<p>If there is one lesson that we can take from the debacle in Iraq, it is that foreign powers have limited abilities to influence the internal politics. Though the Shiites and Sunnis have major differences, they share a common hatred of the United States.</p>
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