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God's Politics

Mark Sanford’s Apology: Neither Sin nor Forgiveness Has any Party Affiliations

by Jim Wallis 07-02-2009

Over the course of the 2008 election season, I kept hearing from some of my conservative religious friends of the great presidential hopes they had for a smart and ambitious governor from South Carolina, Mark Sanford.  Pressures are now mounting for the governor to resign in wake of his admission to improper liaisons with an Argentinean woman, and it looks like those political hopes might be shelved.

Why does it happen?  This most recent scandal is not the first and will not be the last.  It was not so long ago that John Edwards was a national figure for the Democrats when the news of his infidelity removed him from the public stage.  This story has played out time and time again through the ages; promising figures in power ruining their careers, setting back their work, and inflicting great pain on themselves and their families.

II Samuel tells the story of King David who saw Bathsheba bathing from the roof of his palace.  He ordered her to come to his chambers, slept with her, and got her pregnant.  To cover what he had done, he sent her husband, Uriah, into a battle where the fighting would be most fierce and then commanded one of his generals to pull back all the other men to ensure that Uriah would be killed.  David then took Bathsheba as his wife.

King David, Governor Sanford, Senator Edwards, all men of faith, committed sins in what they thought was private, but eventually, their sins found them out.  When I hear stories of men in power committing these kinds of transgressions, I suspect it is never out of the strength of their faith that they commit these acts.  Rather, each one had to carve out a space in their lives in which they were able to forget about God — a place that their faith could not enter.  They created in their minds and their hearts a framework in which they could justify their actions, because others do it too, because they “deserved” the right to do these things, because they are passionate people and allowed their passions to have free reign — all by ignoring the values, and the faith, which dictate the rest of their lives.

This, I believe, is often why we hear a religious theme in their apologies.  Scriptures say David cried out, “I have sinned against the LORD.”  Bill Clinton said, “I don’t think there is a fancy way to say that I have sinned.”  John Edwards: “Two years ago I made a very serious mistake, a mistake that I am responsible for and no one else. In 2006, I told Elizabeth about the mistake, asked her for her forgiveness, asked God for his forgiveness.”  David Vitter: “This is a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible. Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession.”  And now, Mark Sanford: “There are moral absolutes and God’s law is there to protect you from yourself. And there are consequences if you breach that.”

There was a moment, I am sure, when what had been done in private and in secrecy, in that space in which God had been forgotten, that God returned.  With that return, the justifications collapsed and the deep and surely painful recognition of sin as sin came in.  I am in no position to know whether Sanford’s or any of these men’s apologies are sincere, and their actions all come with consequences as the story of David teaches us.  But, I do know that, for people of faith, neither sin nor forgiveness has any party affiliations.

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  • SisterMarie
    I think that the relevant question is how much one's private transgressions impinge upon their public life. Thanks to DNA testing, we now know that Thomas Jefferson was not quite the saint that we thought. Does that knowledge in any way diminish the contributions that Jefferson made to establishing our American democracy? Questions have also been raised about other American icons (FDR, Ike, etc). It has only been in recent years with the advent of TV and the 24-hour news cycle that such issues have been thrust to the forefront.

    This Sanford case is similar in some ways to other of our modern scandals, but it is also different. In his public appearances, Sanford still gives us the impression that he's really in love with this Argentinian lady and if he had managed to successfully sneak back into his office, that it might not be over. But to me, the biggest factor is the extent to which the Republican Party, (which had held itself out as the party of family values) has failed to match its talk with its walk. There is a long list of Republican presidential wannabes whose chances are diminished by their own transgressions.

    No one of any political persuasion can take any pleasure at the potential break-up of a marriage - especially one in which children are involved. To me, the most important question is not whether Sanford continues his term as governor, but the salvaging of his marriage.
  • JamesM
    Very well put. I would hope that all would pray for the governor, his family and his state.
  • WaveTossed
    The problem with Gov. Sandford is his utter hypocracy. He was one of the people speaking of the "sanctity" of marriage, how allowing Gays to marry will somehow "destroy" marriage. Then he goes off and commits adultery. And now people are willing to let him slide on adultery, all while still condemning faithful marriage/civil unions between people of the "wrong" genders.

    Jesus said:

    Mathew 23

    "27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."


    [NOTE: I only put in below Gov. Sanford's opinions about marriage]

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm#Civ...

    No civil unions; define one-man-one-woman marriage. (Nov 2002)
    Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
  • Agreed, but couldn't the same be said of any of the persons listed in Wallis' article? Sanford was against something based out of his interpretation of his faith; he's also against adultery based on the same theology/convictions. Same with Bill Clinton, same with John Edwards. They went against their convictions, just like Sanford. That you disliked his policies and what he advocated for doesn't mean it's any worse than the rest. Wallis made very excellent points.
  • WaveTossed
    Oh, don't get me started on Bill Clinton. Absolutely, he commited adultery: his so-called "explanation" that "I did not have sex with that woman" was pure balderdash (I could say another word that isn't suitable in a family forum). And he was the one who had the audacity to sign the DOMA (so-called "Defense Of Marriage Act") that was supposed to "defend" the "sanctity of marriage" (which he never practiced himself). What a hypocrite. Matthew Chapter 23 would apply to him as well.

    John Edwards commited adultery. I'm not sure how he voted in the DOMA vote. I don't make any excuses for any of these philandering politicians because of their political party.

    I guess that my point is that Sanford (just like Bill Clinton) was a hypocrite. Both of them went on about the "sanctity" of marriage that must be "protected" against same-gender marriage. And both of them flouted completely the sancitity of their marriages. Both of them publically appologized for their adultery. However, neither one to this day has ever apologized or repented for the hypocracy that both have shown in supposedly "defending" marriage against same-gender marriage.
  • DHFabian
    Granted, it does appear that he did have an affair, but I don't see what this has to do with his job. If he did cheat, it shows only that he had a time of weakness, and it pales in comparison to the death and destruction brought by the last administration. When it comes to the presidency, the issue is his policies, and whether he encourages a culture of hate and greed or compassion and human decency.

    I think hypocrites are "a dime a dozen" in politics because careers rest on the ability to sell oneself, and you do this by telling a targeted group of people whatever they want to hear.

    I think it says more than we want to know about the "American character" that the public (or more accurately, our media) bases their opinion of John Edwards on an affair to the exclusion of his political message.
  • nuclearferret
    Yes, better to not care about marriage having any kind of sanctity...then you can't be accused of being a hypocrite when you cheat.
  • snad
    First, let me state that I am not interested in Gov. Sandford's infidelities; that is a private matter and does not have anything to do with how he performs his job.

    Having said that, there are a number of issues that are important to me. Sanford was a very vocal proponent of impeaching President Clinton for his indiscretions. He also claims to be a supporter of DOMA and opposed to equality for gays in marriage, presumably using the "sanctity of marriage" argument. How hypocritical.

    There are also questions surrounding his misuse of state money to pay for at least this latest trip/tryst in Argentina. That misuse, if it is found to be true, should be reason enough for him being removed from office, if not prosecuted.
    He has stated that he will "pay back" every penny of state money he spent. Well, he better; but that doesn't excuse the crime.

    Finally, I get the strong impression that Sanford's apology and stubborn refusal to resign, combined with the constant trickle of tawdry and tedious detail about the affair make me feel he is performing a sort of public flagellation. How unseemly. He probably understands that media consumers' prurient penchant for scandal may actually make a martyr out of him - a poster child for the victims of double standards, if you will. Ironic, considering his political stance on marriage.

    Frankly, I'm tired of the love triangle of sex, politics and scandal. It is a distraction. I just want to make sure this man is doing his job, is not pilfering state funds for personal dalliances, and is not hiding behind a mask of sanctimony while applying an unreasonable code of conduct to everyone but himself.
  • I think your point about his hypocrisy is a key reason why Wallis was claiming that these things aren't bound by parties and political boundaries. Sanford made a key mistake in believing that he could live beyond those limits, while advocating against Clinton's own lifestyle choices. It's pretty sad, really. You make some great points.
  • anniepace
    I think that there are so many issues of this story that give me pause but the most thought provoking is that the connection that this Governor has with "The Family" that crystalizes for me the pattern of this incident with so many others. "The Family" has a basic philisophy that they are God's chosen, they are above moral judgement because they are chosen and that the end justify the means if they as the chosen deem that their interpretation of the choices are "God's will." Change just a little of the words and we are now living as Nazi's where they believed they were chosen and that thier ends justified the means. I can only pray, God help us all as this belief system takes over and starts to run out of control. God help us all.
  • Minnesotan
    If God calls us to be faithful to our spouses (whom Jesus requires to be of the opposite sex - see Matthew 19:1-4), and someone then violates those norms, he may be a hypocrite, but it does not mean his policies are wrong and that we should legalize same-sex marriage. If Mark Sanford secretly had a second wife, we could call him a hypocrite for opposing polygamy, but it would not mean that we should change public policy and legalize polygamy. Same-sex "marriage" still violates the red-letter words of Jesus in Matthew 19, and that does not change if the people who agree with Jesus have committed adultery or have remained faithful to their spouse.
  • PASTOR JEFF
    It does mean, however, that divorce should be illegal.
  • WaveTossed
    Absolutely. I'm still awaiting proposals from the Religious Right for state and federal Constitutional amendments against divorce. After all, divorce clearly goes against Jesus' Word.

    However, I'm not holding my breath.
  • PASTOR JEFF
    It wasn't that long ago when states had laws against contraception and sodomy ("deviant" sex) even within the bounds of marriage. I have yet to see any of the Biblicists address the appropriateness of these laws.If it's none of our business for heterosexuals how come it is for homosexuals? What about outlawing fornication? Is it illegal to date a separated person? If were ushering in the Kingdom, why are we starting with gays and fornicators and not Coors and Goldman?
  • WaveTossed
    Because Gays are outsiders, outcasts. They are part of the "other." It's much easier for so-called "Biblicists" to oppress outsiders with their judgmental messages. They can raise a lot more political (and financial) capital this way.

    Think: if the Religious Right types attempted to pass laws against acts done within (heterosexual) marriages, or against divorce or adultery: they'd be passing laws against many of their own fellows rather than outcast "others."

    Jesus said:

    Mathew 23

    "27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."
  • 1Grace
    Hypocrisy is like drinking water , we all seem to take some in our daily lives. In our state we have a law that gives domestic partners all the benefits of marriage , except those federally given. There is a an attempt at an referendum but the signatures needed are only be sought by religious right political organizations. I doubt it will get on the ballot . One of my objections would be that it gives all the befits to anyone , straight , gay , or whatever with the commitment of marriage . My golfing buddy " gets a discount on the course Praise God ;o). But my friend told me she is for it because if she marries her partner they will be on a higher tax bracket , which I thought that marriage penalty had been removed but I guess not.
    But her concern is only benefits , not a marital commitment . I would think homosexuals that share my upbringing and morality would find that insulting actually . But I guess not.

    Hence even though we are friends , and a person that I would do just about anything if needed because we are friends, I would still be against it . The problem i see many times in this debate is that homosexuals are treated as the plague , especially by religious political organizations .But also they are treated above the rest in as far as why i see marriage and the institution of it . I could have a rational discussion with my friend why i would not vote for domestic partnerships , which will be marriage in this state in the next two years or so. I seldom have one with a homosexual , even the ones I know pretty well . Choose not to discuss it because i rather not injure their being , but being for marriage has nothing to do for being against homosexuals . unfortunately the debate and our culture has made that the debate . But Jeff Agree , I rather point out the nastiness of those who share my Faith then the homosexual who is advocating for what they see as equal rights . In the long run God is more interested in how we treat each other , which I believe is what Jesus was doing to the Pharisees in his statements concerning even looking at another women in lust is adultery .

    But yes , many religious organizations have tried to make divorce harder , and the no fault divorce making it so much easier is seen by many as causing the higher divorce rate . The other side is that the couple is experiencing enough pain as it is that making divorce harder and a legal battle makes it a bad situation worse.
  • WaveTossed
    "But her concern is only benefits , not a marital commitment . I would think homosexuals that share my upbringing and morality would find that insulting actually . But I guess not."

    Actually, many Gays believe that --- if marriage isn't an option (and in most states, it's not) -- then domestic partnership rights should only go for same-gender couples. Because heterosexual couples always have the option to get married.

    "I could have a rational discussion with my friend why i would not vote for domestic partnerships , which will be marriage in this state in the next two years or so. I seldom have one with a homosexual , even the ones I know pretty well ."

    It's a matter of civil rights. Why should gender matter when it comes to civil marriage? Any more than race?

    If gender is removed as a barrier to marriage/civil unions/domestic partners/whatever: no one would be forced to go against their own religious beliefs about gender or race. No religious institution would be forced to marry any two people that (for whatever reasons, including gender or race) that they don't wish to confer religious marriage upon.

    In my discussions with heterosexual people about same-gender marriage/civil unions/domestic partners/whatever: Most of these people who oppose this tend to have religious or moral beliefs that the genders are intrinsically different and have different gender roles. They tend to not believe in gender equality; they tend to believe in male superiority. They are afraid of the breakdown of heterosexual male privilege; they believe that heterosexual male dominance is essential to society. That has been my experience.
  • 1Grace
    34 minutes ago



    "Actually, many Gays believe that --- if marriage isn't an option (and in most states, it's not) -- then domestic partnership rights should only go for same-gender couples. Because heterosexual couples always have the option to get married. "

    I would like to agree with you wave , but the legislation was written by and supported mainly by our gay legislators, with other sponsors. I just have had limited conversations with gays personally on this I guess.

    The gay community as a whole supported the aspect of hetrosexuals and other gaining benefits in my state . Big celebrations etc . the straight issue of gaining benefits is given as a talking point as if it makes the legislation for all people , I don't think the pro domestic partnership advocates on the activist side even understand the issue .
    You seem more understanding then they , must be your Christian ethnic you have I guess.




    "It's a matter of civil rights. Why should gender matter when it comes to civil marriage? Any more than race? "

    Thats the difference I have I believe . I do not see it as Civil Right. Now if you could not get married I would see your point . But just like a drivers license , government has regulated certain criteria for marriage .
    I see it mainly as a legal contract between two people , which homosexuals can have but at a much more expensive option . They also can married under the same criteria as anyone else. We will just talk around this issue in circels i believe .

    The benefits given to married couples , as my singlehetrosexual friend wants I personally see as a help for married couples to help in nourishing their children . That reasoning has gone away with the current culture . Children were esteemed more in the past , mainly because parents made them work , now we can't even get them to take out the flipping trash.

    The gender bias position you have can be switched in regards to your concept of equality, same sex marriage takes out the child's chance from the very beginning to be exposed EQUALLY to two genders in child rearing . Because I see both genders as having equal but individual characteristics that helps a child mature . Both genders are needed equally , not one over the other . Marriage at one time I believed helped children receive better diversity in that regards , and also needed security . of course with what has happened to the family , and the socialization of so many benefits that go without the benefit of marriage that claiming from my side of the arguement marriage strengtens marriage and family looses its meaning .


    Wave you gave a list of reasons that my side of the arguement often use ,

    like I said before I have no intention of hurting you hurting your Doctrine or faith . If you asked me to come to your wedding say , and we knew each other well i would go . I would go to a gay parade to promote respect I would go , been asked .. but because of some of the particpants dress and advocacy I would find it inappropriate .
    Your side of the issue appears to be prevailing , a generation away at the most . But I do know people who were gay , or living in the gay life style who are not now . For some it has been much better , for some it has been a struggle.
  • WaveTossed
    "'[I wrote]"Actually, many Gays believe that --- if marriage isn't an option (and in most states, it's not) -- then domestic partnership rights should only go for same-gender couples. Because heterosexual couples always have the option to get married. '

    "[you wrote]I would like to agree with you wave , but the legislation was written by and supported mainly by our gay legislators, with other sponsors. I just have had limited conversations with gays personally on this I guess.

    "The gay community as a whole supported the aspect of hetrosexuals and other gaining benefits in my state . Big celebrations etc . the straight issue of gaining benefits is given as a talking point as if it makes the legislation for all people , I don't think the pro domestic partnership advocates on the activist side even understand the issue .
    You seem more understanding then they , must be your Christian ethnic you have I guess."

    Most people in the Gay commmunity accepted this compromise of allowing heterosexual couples to get domestic partner benefits without the benefits of legal marriage. Most of the celebrating was done in support of Gays being able to get a few civil rights. Most legislators will not support domestic partner legislation without allowing heterosexual couples to get similar benefits.

    I personally would like to have legislation that only confers domestic partner benefits on same-gender couples because heterosexual couples aways have the option to get married legally. However, I will accept a compromise that includes heterosexual couples to get these benefits.

    "'[I wrote'It's a matter of civil rights. Why should gender matter when it comes to civil marriage? Any more than race?'

    "[you wrote]Thats the difference I have I believe . I do not see it as Civil Right."

    Do you see Blacks and Whites being able to get legally married as a civil right? Or do you believe that states or the federal government have the right to prevent inter-racial marriage?

    "Now if you could not get married I would see your point . But just like a drivers license , government has regulated certain criteria for marriage ."

    Such as being of the same race? Many state governments had such criteria until the Supreme Court (those activist judges!) ruled that marriage -- and they did NOT specify heterosexual marriage -- was a civil right. If the Supreme Court had not stepped in the defeat the "tyranny of the majority," it's quite possible that inter-racial marriage would still be banned in several states. And that's OK with you?

    "I see it mainly as a legal contract between two people , which homosexuals can have but at a much more expensive option ."

    Exactly. Gays pay the same taxes as heterosexuals do, but do not get the same services included. Perhaps the solution is for Gays to have a special "Gay partnership" tax deduction so that they don't have to pay taxes and not get the benefits of these taxes.

    "They also can married under the same criteria as anyone else. We will just talk around this issue in circels i believe ."

    Probably so. Gays cannot get married to the partners of their choice, as heterosexuals can.

    "The benefits given to married couples , as my singlehetrosexual friend wants I personally see as a help for married couples to help in nourishing their children . That reasoning has gone away with the current culture . Children were esteemed more in the past , mainly because parents made them work , now we can't even get them to take out the flipping trash."

    So should governments be allowed to bar marriage between infertile or child-free couples?

    " I see both genders as having equal but individual characteristics"

    And we finally hit the crux of your opposition. Which is the point I made before. You see genders as being intrinsically and basically different from each other i.e. "men are from Mars, women are from Venus" or some such concept.

    If you truly look at genders, you will see intersections; women and men are both from Earth. Just the same as when you look at race, nationalities, religion, etc.

    Studies have shown that children raised by stable Gay couples fare just as well as children raised by stable heterosexual couples.
  • 1Grace
    Yes I am sure gays are and can be excellent parents. No different then hetrosexuals. But I would argue the natural parent , gay or otherwise are best suited because of the natural bond between child and themself as best suited for any child. That gays and all all people are better off if they had a Mom and dad . That is not the case , especually in this culture .

    That should be the criteria for marriage from my perspective, , of course I am not the prevailing opinion . I do not understand the civil right aspect , I believe the left leaning California Supreme Court did not agree either . But that is only a few folks with robes speaking to current law making that decision . Thanks for the conversation . You did quite well and articulated the position well.
    /////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    This above all: to thine own self be true,
    And it must follow, as the night the day,
    Thou canst not then be false to any man.
    Farewell, my blessing season this in thee!
  • WaveTossed
    http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_families...

    Read this. It might settle some of your worries.

    I suspect that your opposition is basically religious, based upon some sort of "natural law" as defined by some Catholic scholars (or perhaps Protestant scholars). As opposed to what science shows is truly best for children.

    Or for that matter, for couples who don't have children. Where do childless heterosexual couple fit in this concept of "natural law"? I'm curious.

    You are free to hold whatever religious beliefs that you wish, including the idea that the genders are intrinsically different. That's what Catholics and Baptists believe, which is why neither denomination believe that women should be ministers or priests.

    Some people have religious beliefs that Blacks and Whites shouldn't get married or have children. Which is also their right. I've met some of these people.

    However, religious beliefs shouldn't get in the way of civil rights. And the Supreme Court back in the middle 1960s ruled that marriage is a civil right. You can call these Supreme Court justices "activist judges"; perhaps if they hadn't ruled as they did, Blacks and White would still be outlawed from marrying in several states.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia

    Mildred Loving has expressed more than once her support for Gay marriage.

    http://www.positiveliberty.com/2007/06/mildred-...
  • 1Grace
    "suspect that your opposition is basically religious, based upon some sort of "natural law" as defined by some Catholic scholars (or perhaps Protestant scholars). As opposed to what science shows is truly best for children. "

    LOL , I suggest you stick to your reading your own mind , that is hard enough for most of us , at least in my own mind. Actually my religious background was Episcopal , I go to a Bible believing Pentecostal church now that has women in leadership and as Pastors.


    The Supreme Court Justices that ruled marraige was not a civil right seems to be bothering your own understanding of what civil rights actually mean . Your right religious view , be they from Soulforce or the 700 club should never dictate to us what laws are made and what hold Conjstitutional muster . I like the separation of church mentality , Ireland, middle east and a past history of christian dominance in government has proved that to me anyway.

    No my opinion is just that, based on what i think and my own experiences , and yes I guess you can say religion in a sense that as you have said , jesus Christ is your Savior and most important part of your life. My opinion is just that Wave , no need to have to change it as I don't believe I need to change yours. Pray for me and I will pray for you if that is OK .

    In 1877 a Churh group in Utah took the government to court , I am sure polygamous marriage works if it reinforced bytheir culture and traditions. Children seem happy in those relationships , and excellent points could be made for the extra care takers . I don't see that as a Civil right , as i don't see having a liscene limited to two people depriving multi partners a violation of their civil rights . They most likely have some great and sincere people in their denomination, some know it alls , pharisee types , good naured types , etc . That is part of any socio group . Homosexuals have been demonized as part of our culture in the past . I totally agree with you on respect , I would hope you could show me the same to agree to disagree . If not , thats cool ,

    I don't believe in putting down other denominations that Hold Christ up as our Lord and savior. The Catholics have done great things witth reaching out to the poor , hospitals , schools and standing up for the sancity of life . The Baptists have done great works in communities and Missions , reaching out to those without. Episcoplas have provided a long standing tradition of showing such reverence for the Holy Father , the Lutherans have schools and have done much in charity work .
    Leave denominational attacking to the God haters my friend . We are all one church , or we should be working at it.



    God Bless.
  • WaveTossed
    "The Supreme Court Justices that ruled marraige was not a civil right seems to be bothering your own understanding of what civil rights actually mean ."

    It was the California Supreme Court that ruled against Gay marriage, not the U.S. Supreme Court. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled earlier that marriage is a civil right. As I cited, look a Loving vs. State of Virginia. I'm sure that same-gender marriage is headed to the U.S. Supreme Court, just as inter-racial marriage reached this same court. And unless the U.S. Supreme Court chooses to overturn precedent and rule that marriage is not a civil right: I suspect that they will rule on the side that marriage IS a civil right.

    By the way, as a libertarian-leaning person, I have no problem with polygamous marriage as long as all of the partners are consenting adults. Polygamous marriage was the norm during much of Biblical times.

    So you used to be Episcopalian, and you left for a Pentacostal church. I was raised Episcopalian and I left the Episcopal church back when women were still not allowed to be priests. However, Episcopal Canon Law now states the women can be priests. After going to various churches, I ended up back at my roots within the Episcopalian church. I love the tradition, and the liturgy, the old hymns that I used to sing as a child. But also the emphasis in my church and also within my diocese is working for social justice for all people.

    We do believe in the Bible. Every week at services, we read from the Hebrew Testament, the Psalms, the Epistles, and the Gospel. We just see the Bible differently than you (and some others) do.

    I don't hate denominations that would curse me and other Gay/Lesbian people, tell us that we are "abominations," that would deny us our holiness, tell us that we are headed for eternal perdition. Jesus told us:

    Mathew 5

    "43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"

    God Bless and Keep you
  • WaveTossed
    And also, I'm still awaiting for divorce to be outlawed. Studies have shown that divorce harms children a whole lot more than being raised by same-gender parents.

    "Your side of the issue appears to be prevailing , a generation away at the most ."

    That's what happens when civil rights are involved. Eventually, justice shall prevail. It was just a generation or so when we had separate "colored" and "white" drinking fountains. Now we have a bi-racial President of African-American ancestry.
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