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	<title>Comments on: Mark Sanford&#8217;s Apology: Neither Sin nor Forgiveness Has any Party Affiliations</title>
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		<title>By: nuclearferret</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/02/south-carolina-governor-mark-sanfords-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-111922</link>
		<dc:creator>nuclearferret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, better to not care about marriage having any kind of sanctity...then you can&#039;t be accused of being a hypocrite when you cheat.</description>
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		<title>By: nuclearferret</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/02/south-carolina-governor-mark-sanfords-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-89708</link>
		<dc:creator>nuclearferret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, better to not care about marriage having any kind of sanctity...then you can&#039;t be accused of being a hypocrite when you cheat.</description>
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		<title>By: Eric77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democrats rejected Edwards and his political message long before his affair become public knowledge.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But the larger point is, should the public take into account a candidate&#039;s actions in his or her personal life when considering him or her for public office?  I&#039;d say &quot;yes&quot; and I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything wrong with this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I agree with you when you wish that people would take into account other sins such as pride, greed, love of power, etc when it comes to analyzing candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats rejected Edwards and his political message long before his affair become public knowledge.</p>
<p>But the larger point is, should the public take into account a candidate&#39;s actions in his or her personal life when considering him or her for public office?  I&#39;d say &#8220;yes&#8221; and I don&#39;t think there&#39;s anything wrong with this.</p>
<p>But I agree with you when you wish that people would take into account other sins such as pride, greed, love of power, etc when it comes to analyzing candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: DHFabian</title>
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		<dc:creator>DHFabian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Granted, it does appear that he did have an affair, but I don&#039;t see what this has to do with his job. If he did cheat, it shows only that he had a time of weakness, and it pales in comparison to the death and destruction brought by the last administration. When it comes to the presidency, the issue is his policies, and whether he encourages a culture of hate and greed or compassion and human decency.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think hypocrites are &quot;a dime a dozen&quot; in politics because careers rest on the ability to sell oneself, and you do this by telling a targeted group of people whatever they want to hear.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it says more than we want to know about the &quot;American character&quot; that the public (or more accurately, our media) bases their opinion of John Edwards on an affair to the exclusion of his political message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted, it does appear that he did have an affair, but I don&#39;t see what this has to do with his job. If he did cheat, it shows only that he had a time of weakness, and it pales in comparison to the death and destruction brought by the last administration. When it comes to the presidency, the issue is his policies, and whether he encourages a culture of hate and greed or compassion and human decency.</p>
<p>I think hypocrites are &#8220;a dime a dozen&#8221; in politics because careers rest on the ability to sell oneself, and you do this by telling a targeted group of people whatever they want to hear.</p>
<p>I think it says more than we want to know about the &#8220;American character&#8221; that the public (or more accurately, our media) bases their opinion of John Edwards on an affair to the exclusion of his political message.</p>
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		<title>By: PASTOR JEFF</title>
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		<dc:creator>PASTOR JEFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does mean, however, that divorce should be illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does mean, however, that divorce should be illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesotan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnesotan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If God calls us to be faithful to our spouses (whom Jesus requires to be of the opposite sex - see Matthew 19:1-4), and someone then violates those norms, he may be a hypocrite, but it does not mean his policies are wrong and that we should legalize same-sex marriage. If Mark Sanford secretly had a second wife, we could call him a hypocrite for opposing polygamy, but it would not mean that we should change public policy and legalize polygamy. Same-sex &quot;marriage&quot; still violates the red-letter words of Jesus in Matthew 19, and that does not change if the people who agree with Jesus have committed adultery or have remained faithful to their spouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If God calls us to be faithful to our spouses (whom Jesus requires to be of the opposite sex &#8211; see Matthew 19:1-4), and someone then violates those norms, he may be a hypocrite, but it does not mean his policies are wrong and that we should legalize same-sex marriage. If Mark Sanford secretly had a second wife, we could call him a hypocrite for opposing polygamy, but it would not mean that we should change public policy and legalize polygamy. Same-sex &#8220;marriage&#8221; still violates the red-letter words of Jesus in Matthew 19, and that does not change if the people who agree with Jesus have committed adultery or have remained faithful to their spouse.</p>
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		<title>By: WaveTossed</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaveTossed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, don&#039;t get me started on Bill Clinton. Absolutely, he commited adultery: his so-called &quot;explanation&quot; that &quot;I did not have sex with that woman&quot; was pure balderdash (I could say another word that isn&#039;t suitable in a family forum). And he was the one who had the audacity to sign the DOMA (so-called &quot;Defense Of Marriage Act&quot;) that was supposed to &quot;defend&quot; the &quot;sanctity of marriage&quot; (which he never practiced himself). What a hypocrite. Matthew Chapter 23 would apply to him as well. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;John Edwards commited adultery. I&#039;m not sure how he voted in the DOMA vote. I don&#039;t make any excuses for any of these philandering politicians because of their political party. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess that my point is that Sanford (just like Bill Clinton) was a hypocrite. Both of them went on about the &quot;sanctity&quot; of marriage that must be &quot;protected&quot; against same-gender marriage. And both of them flouted completely the sancitity of their marriages. Both of them publically appologized for their adultery. However, neither one to this day has ever apologized or repented for the hypocracy that both have shown in supposedly &quot;defending&quot; marriage against same-gender marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, don&#39;t get me started on Bill Clinton. Absolutely, he commited adultery: his so-called &#8220;explanation&#8221; that &#8220;I did not have sex with that woman&#8221; was pure balderdash (I could say another word that isn&#39;t suitable in a family forum). And he was the one who had the audacity to sign the DOMA (so-called &#8220;Defense Of Marriage Act&#8221;) that was supposed to &#8220;defend&#8221; the &#8220;sanctity of marriage&#8221; (which he never practiced himself). What a hypocrite. Matthew Chapter 23 would apply to him as well. </p>
<p>John Edwards commited adultery. I&#39;m not sure how he voted in the DOMA vote. I don&#39;t make any excuses for any of these philandering politicians because of their political party. </p>
<p>I guess that my point is that Sanford (just like Bill Clinton) was a hypocrite. Both of them went on about the &#8220;sanctity&#8221; of marriage that must be &#8220;protected&#8221; against same-gender marriage. And both of them flouted completely the sancitity of their marriages. Both of them publically appologized for their adultery. However, neither one to this day has ever apologized or repented for the hypocracy that both have shown in supposedly &#8220;defending&#8221; marriage against same-gender marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: xfree9</title>
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		<dc:creator>xfree9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your point about his hypocrisy is a key reason why Wallis was claiming that these things aren&#039;t bound by parties and political boundaries. Sanford made a key mistake in believing that he could live beyond those limits, while advocating against Clinton&#039;s own lifestyle choices. It&#039;s pretty sad, really. You make some great points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your point about his hypocrisy is a key reason why Wallis was claiming that these things aren&#39;t bound by parties and political boundaries. Sanford made a key mistake in believing that he could live beyond those limits, while advocating against Clinton&#39;s own lifestyle choices. It&#39;s pretty sad, really. You make some great points.</p>
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		<title>By: xfree9</title>
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		<dc:creator>xfree9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, but couldn&#039;t the same be said of any of the persons listed in Wallis&#039; article? Sanford was against something based out of his interpretation of his faith; he&#039;s also against adultery based on the same theology/convictions. Same with Bill Clinton, same with John Edwards. They went against their convictions, just like Sanford. That you disliked his policies and what he advocated for doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s any worse than the rest. Wallis made very excellent points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, but couldn&#39;t the same be said of any of the persons listed in Wallis&#39; article? Sanford was against something based out of his interpretation of his faith; he&#39;s also against adultery based on the same theology/convictions. Same with Bill Clinton, same with John Edwards. They went against their convictions, just like Sanford. That you disliked his policies and what he advocated for doesn&#39;t mean it&#39;s any worse than the rest. Wallis made very excellent points.</p>
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		<title>By: anniepace</title>
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		<dc:creator>anniepace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there are so many issues of this story that give me pause but the most thought provoking is that the connection that this Governor has with &quot;The Family&quot; that crystalizes for me the pattern of this incident with so many others.   &quot;The Family&quot; has a basic philisophy that they are God&#039;s chosen, they are above moral judgement because they are chosen and that the end justify the means if they as the chosen deem that their interpretation of the choices are &quot;God&#039;s will.&quot;  Change just a little of the words and we are now living as Nazi&#039;s where they believed they were chosen and that thier ends justified the means.  I can only pray, God help us all as this belief system takes over and starts to run out of control.  God help us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there are so many issues of this story that give me pause but the most thought provoking is that the connection that this Governor has with &#8220;The Family&#8221; that crystalizes for me the pattern of this incident with so many others.   &#8220;The Family&#8221; has a basic philisophy that they are God&#39;s chosen, they are above moral judgement because they are chosen and that the end justify the means if they as the chosen deem that their interpretation of the choices are &#8220;God&#39;s will.&#8221;  Change just a little of the words and we are now living as Nazi&#39;s where they believed they were chosen and that thier ends justified the means.  I can only pray, God help us all as this belief system takes over and starts to run out of control.  God help us all.</p>
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		<title>By: snad</title>
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		<dc:creator>snad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, let me state that I am not interested in Gov. Sandford&#039;s infidelities; that is a private matter and does not have anything to do with how he performs his job.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Having said that, there are a number of issues that are important to me.  Sanford was a very vocal proponent of impeaching President Clinton for his indiscretions.  He also claims to be a supporter of DOMA and opposed to equality for gays in marriage, presumably using the &quot;sanctity of marriage&quot; argument.  How hypocritical.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are also questions surrounding his misuse of state money to pay for at least this latest trip/tryst in Argentina.  That misuse, if it is found to be true, should be reason enough for him being removed from office, if not prosecuted.&lt;br&gt;He has stated that he will &quot;pay back&quot; every penny of state money he spent.  Well, he better; but that doesn&#039;t excuse the crime.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, I get the strong impression that Sanford&#039;s apology and stubborn refusal to resign, combined with the constant trickle of tawdry and tedious detail about the affair make me feel he is performing a sort of public flagellation.  How unseemly.  He probably understands that media consumers&#039; prurient penchant for scandal may actually make a martyr out of him - a poster child for the victims of double standards, if you will.  Ironic, considering his political stance on marriage.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Frankly, I&#039;m tired of the love triangle of sex, politics and scandal.  It is a distraction.  I just want to make sure this man is doing his job, is not pilfering state funds for personal dalliances, and is not hiding behind a mask of sanctimony while applying an unreasonable code of conduct to everyone but himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, let me state that I am not interested in Gov. Sandford&#39;s infidelities; that is a private matter and does not have anything to do with how he performs his job.</p>
<p>Having said that, there are a number of issues that are important to me.  Sanford was a very vocal proponent of impeaching President Clinton for his indiscretions.  He also claims to be a supporter of DOMA and opposed to equality for gays in marriage, presumably using the &#8220;sanctity of marriage&#8221; argument.  How hypocritical.  </p>
<p>There are also questions surrounding his misuse of state money to pay for at least this latest trip/tryst in Argentina.  That misuse, if it is found to be true, should be reason enough for him being removed from office, if not prosecuted.<br />He has stated that he will &#8220;pay back&#8221; every penny of state money he spent.  Well, he better; but that doesn&#39;t excuse the crime.</p>
<p>Finally, I get the strong impression that Sanford&#39;s apology and stubborn refusal to resign, combined with the constant trickle of tawdry and tedious detail about the affair make me feel he is performing a sort of public flagellation.  How unseemly.  He probably understands that media consumers&#39; prurient penchant for scandal may actually make a martyr out of him &#8211; a poster child for the victims of double standards, if you will.  Ironic, considering his political stance on marriage.</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#39;m tired of the love triangle of sex, politics and scandal.  It is a distraction.  I just want to make sure this man is doing his job, is not pilfering state funds for personal dalliances, and is not hiding behind a mask of sanctimony while applying an unreasonable code of conduct to everyone but himself.</p>
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		<title>By: WaveTossed</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaveTossed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with  Gov. Sandford is his utter hypocracy. He was one of the people speaking of the &quot;sanctity&quot; of marriage, how allowing Gays to marry will somehow &quot;destroy&quot; marriage.  Then he goes off and commits adultery. And now people are willing to let him slide on adultery, all while still condemning faithful marriage/civil unions between people of the &quot;wrong&quot; genders.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jesus said:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mathew 23&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men&#039;s bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[NOTE: I only put in below Gov. Sanford&#039;s opinions about marriage]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm#Civil_Rights&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm#Civ...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No civil unions; define one-man-one-woman marriage. (Nov 2002) &lt;br&gt;Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with  Gov. Sandford is his utter hypocracy. He was one of the people speaking of the &#8220;sanctity&#8221; of marriage, how allowing Gays to marry will somehow &#8220;destroy&#8221; marriage.  Then he goes off and commits adultery. And now people are willing to let him slide on adultery, all while still condemning faithful marriage/civil unions between people of the &#8220;wrong&#8221; genders.</p>
<p>Jesus said:</p>
<p>Mathew 23</p>
<p>&#8220;27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men&#39;s bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.&#8221;</p>
<p>[NOTE: I only put in below Gov. Sanford&#39;s opinions about marriage]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm#Civil_Rights" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm#Civ.." rel="nofollow">http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm#Civ..</a>.</p>
<p>No civil unions; define one-man-one-woman marriage. (Nov 2002) <br />Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)</p>
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		<title>By: JamesM</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put. I would hope that all would pray for the governor, his family and his state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put. I would hope that all would pray for the governor, his family and his state.</p>
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		<title>By: SisterMarie</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the relevant question is how much one&#039;s private transgressions impinge upon their public life. Thanks to DNA testing, we now know that Thomas Jefferson was not quite the saint that we thought. Does that knowledge in any way diminish the contributions that Jefferson made to establishing our American democracy? Questions have also been raised about other American icons (FDR, Ike, etc). It has only been in recent years with the advent of TV and the 24-hour news cycle that such issues have been thrust to the forefront.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This Sanford case is similar in some ways to other of our modern scandals, but it is also different. In his public appearances, Sanford still gives us the impression that he&#039;s really in love with this Argentinian lady and if he had managed to successfully sneak back into his office, that it might not be over. But to me, the biggest factor is the extent to which the Republican Party, (which had held itself out as the party of family values) has failed to match its talk with its walk. There is a long list of Republican presidential wannabes whose chances are diminished by their own transgressions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No one of any political persuasion can take any pleasure at the potential break-up of a marriage - especially one in which children are involved. To me, the most important question is not whether Sanford continues his term as governor, but the salvaging of his marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the relevant question is how much one&#39;s private transgressions impinge upon their public life. Thanks to DNA testing, we now know that Thomas Jefferson was not quite the saint that we thought. Does that knowledge in any way diminish the contributions that Jefferson made to establishing our American democracy? Questions have also been raised about other American icons (FDR, Ike, etc). It has only been in recent years with the advent of TV and the 24-hour news cycle that such issues have been thrust to the forefront.</p>
<p>This Sanford case is similar in some ways to other of our modern scandals, but it is also different. In his public appearances, Sanford still gives us the impression that he&#39;s really in love with this Argentinian lady and if he had managed to successfully sneak back into his office, that it might not be over. But to me, the biggest factor is the extent to which the Republican Party, (which had held itself out as the party of family values) has failed to match its talk with its walk. There is a long list of Republican presidential wannabes whose chances are diminished by their own transgressions.</p>
<p>No one of any political persuasion can take any pleasure at the potential break-up of a marriage &#8211; especially one in which children are involved. To me, the most important question is not whether Sanford continues his term as governor, but the salvaging of his marriage.</p>
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