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		<title>By: bible study</title>
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		<description>nice post, ill be checking back for more updates :)</description>
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		<title>By: Honoring Deacon Phoebe - Mimi Haddad - God&#8217;s Politics Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In last week’s post, I argued that because the apostle Paul commended the work of Phoebe—a deacon (Romans 16:1-2)—the tradition of female deacons continued throughout the early centuries, as noted both by the archaeological evidence and also in Christian literature preserved from this period. For example, Clement of Alexandria (150-215 C.E.), Origen (185-242 C.E.), John Chrysostom (347- 407 C.E.), and Egeria (a fifth century pilgrim) refer to female deacons without reservation. The historical evidence is abundant because the biblical record is so clear. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In last week’s post, I argued that because the apostle Paul commended the work of Phoebe—a deacon (Romans 16:1-2)—the tradition of female deacons continued throughout the early centuries, as noted both by the archaeological evidence and also in Christian literature preserved from this period. For example, Clement of Alexandria (150-215 C.E.), Origen (185-242 C.E.), John Chrysostom (347- 407 C.E.), and Egeria (a fifth century pilgrim) refer to female deacons without reservation. The historical evidence is abundant because the biblical record is so clear. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Honoring Deacon Phoebe - Mimi Haddad - God&#8217;s Politics Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In last week’s post, I argued that because the apostle Paul commended the work of Phoebe—a deacon (Romans 16:1-2)—the tradition of female deacons continued throughout the early centuries, as noted both by the archaeological evidence and also in Christian literature preserved from this period. For example, Clement of Alexandria (150-215 C.E.), Origen (185-242 C.E.), John Chrysostom (347- 407 C.E.), and Egeria (a fifth century pilgrim) refer to female deacons without reservation. The historical evidence is abundant because the biblical record is so clear. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In last week’s post, I argued that because the apostle Paul commended the work of Phoebe—a deacon (Romans 16:1-2)—the tradition of female deacons continued throughout the early centuries, as noted both by the archaeological evidence and also in Christian literature preserved from this period. For example, Clement of Alexandria (150-215 C.E.), Origen (185-242 C.E.), John Chrysostom (347- 407 C.E.), and Egeria (a fifth century pilgrim) refer to female deacons without reservation. The historical evidence is abundant because the biblical record is so clear. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Women Excluded from Ministry: ‘I Just Didn’t Think About You’ &#124; Mission &#38; Justice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Women Excluded from Ministry: ‘I Just Didn’t Think About You’ &#124; Mission &#38; Justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CounterJihad</title>
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		<dc:creator>CounterJihad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christianity is about saving souls it isn&#039;t about promoting goofy feminist BS or creating your own little version of heaven on Earth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are arrogant fools to think you can second guess the Big Guy and perform &quot;Godly&quot; social engineering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christianity is about saving souls it isn&#39;t about promoting goofy feminist BS or creating your own little version of heaven on Earth.</p>
<p>You are arrogant fools to think you can second guess the Big Guy and perform &#8220;Godly&#8221; social engineering.</p>
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		<title>By: CounterJihad</title>
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		<dc:creator>CounterJihad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have no idea who this Haddad twit is but providing 4 &quot;examples&quot; of females who MIGHT have served the early Church is certainly not even close to proof that women deacons were either widely accepted or even in fact a real phenomenon.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From what I can tell about your Sojourners is that you think Christ was a communist and he preached revolution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You folks are so mistaken that it&#039;s painful to even partially read the crap that gets posted here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most of you are far left loons who are entirely hostile to the idea of Christian orthodoxy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have no idea who this Haddad twit is but providing 4 &#8220;examples&#8221; of females who MIGHT have served the early Church is certainly not even close to proof that women deacons were either widely accepted or even in fact a real phenomenon.</p>
<p>From what I can tell about your Sojourners is that you think Christ was a communist and he preached revolution.</p>
<p>You folks are so mistaken that it&#39;s painful to even partially read the crap that gets posted here.</p>
<p>Most of you are far left loons who are entirely hostile to the idea of Christian orthodoxy.</p>
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		<title>By: mscynthia</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Moyers did a nice piece on Regina this evening.&lt;br&gt;He then threw a few thunder bolts at the CEOs of the Health Insurrance Companies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07172009/watch3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07172009/watc...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Moyers did a nice piece on Regina this evening.<br />He then threw a few thunder bolts at the CEOs of the Health Insurrance Companies.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07172009/watch3.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07172009/watc.." rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07172009/watc..</a>. </p>
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		<title>By: VasuMurti</title>
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		<dc:creator>VasuMurti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 1980 United Nations report states that women constitute half the world’s population, perform nearly two-thirds of its work hours, yet receive one-tenth of the world’s income and own less than one-hundredth of the world’s property. The impact of the women’s movement upon the church is being heralded as a Second Reformation. Women are now being ordained as priests, pastors and ministers, while patriarchal references to the Almighty as &quot;Father&quot; are replaced with the gender-neutral &quot;Parent.&quot; Jesus Christ is designated the &quot;Child of God.&quot; The words of Scripture—perhaps, more accurately, the words of the apostle Paul—on this subject are seen today not as a divine revelation, but rather as an embarrassment from centuries past:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Let the women keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak. Instead, they must, as the Law says, be in subordination. If they wish to learn something, let them inquire of their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church...let a woman learn quietly with complete submission. I do not allow a woman to teach, neither to domineer over a man; instead she is to keep still. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, since she was deceived, experienced the transgression. She will, however, be kept safe through the child-bearing, if with self-control she continues in faith and love and consecration.&quot; (I Corinthians 14:34-35; I Timothy 2:11-15)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Many churches now claim these instructions were merely temporary frameworks used to build churches in the first century pagan world—they are not to be taken as universal absolutes for all eternity. If churches, Scripture and Christianity can adapt and be redefined or reinterpreted in a changing world to end injustices towards women, they can certainly do the same towards animals.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The International Network for Religion and Animals (INRA) was founded in 1985 by Virginia Bouraquardez. Its educational and religious programs are meant to &quot;bring religious principles to bear upon humanity’s attitude towards the treatment of our animal kin...and, through leadership, materials, and programs, to successfully interact with clergy and laity from many religious traditions.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;According to the INRA:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Religion counsels the powerful to be merciful and kind to those weaker than themselves, and most of humankind is at least nominally religious. But there is a ghastly paradox. Far from showing mercy, humanity uses its dominion over other animal species to pen them in cruel close confinement; to trap, club, and harpoon them; to poison, mutilate, and shock them in the name of science; to kill them by the billions; and even to blind them in excruciating pain to test cosmetics.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Some of these abuses are due to mistaken understandings of religious principles; others, to a failure to apply those principles. Scriptures need to be fully researched concerning the relationship of humans to nonhuman animals, and to the entire ecological structure of Nature. Misinterpretations of scripture taken out of context, or based upon questionable theological assumptions need to be re-examined.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the winter of 1990, INRA’s Executive Director, the Reverend Dr. Marc A. Wessels wrote: &quot;As a Christian clergyman who speaks of having compassion for other creatures and who actively declares the need for humans to develop an ethic that gives reverence for all of life, I hope that others will open their eyes, hearts and minds to the responsibility of loving care for God’s creatures.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In a pamphlet entitled &quot;The Spiritual Link Between Humans and Animals,&quot; Reverend Wessels writes: &quot;We recognize that many animal rights activists and ecologists are highly critical of Christians because of our relative failure thus far adequately to defend animals and to preserve the natural environment. Yet there are positive signs of a growing movement of Christian activists and theologians who are committed to the process of ecological stewardship and animal liberation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Individual Christians and groups on a variety of levels, including denominational, ecumenical, national and international, have begun the delayed process of seriously considering and practically addressing the question of Christian responsibility for animals. Because of the debate surrounding the ‘rights’ of animals, some Christians are considering the tenets of their faith in search for an appropriate ethical response.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;According to Reverend Wessels, &quot;The most important teaching which Jesus shared was the need for people to love God with their whole self and to love their neighbor as they loved themselves. Jesus expanded the concept of neighbor to include those who were normally excluded, and it is therefore not too farfetched for us to consider the animals as our neighbors.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;To think about animals as our brothers and sisters is not a new or radical idea. By extending the idea of neighbor, the love of neighbor includes love of, compassion for, and advocacy of animals. There are many historical examples of Christians who thought along those lines, besides the familiar illustration of St. Francis. An abbreviated listing of some of those individuals worthy of study and emulation includes Saint Blaise, Saint Comgall, Saint Cuthbert, Saint Gerasimus, Saint Giles, and Saint Jerome, to name but a few.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Reverend Wessels notes that: &quot;In the Bible, which we understand as the divine revelation of God, there is ample evidence of the vastness and goodness of God toward animals. The Scriptures announce God as the creator of all life, the One responsible for calling life into being and placing it in an ordered fashion which reflects God’s glory. Humans and animals are a part of this arrangement. Humanity has a special relationship with particular duties to God’s created order, a connection to the animals by which they are morally bound by God’s covenant with them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;According to the Scriptures, Christians are called to respect the life of animals and to be ethically engaged in protecting the life and liberty of all sentient creatures. As that is the case, human needs and rights do not usurp an animal’s intrinsic rights, nor should they deny the basic liberty of either individual animals or specific species. If the Christian call can be understood as being a command to be righteous, then Christians must have a higher regard for the lives of animals.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Jesus’ life was one of compassion and liberation;&quot; concludes Reverend Wessels, &quot;his ministry was one which understood and expressed the needs of the oppressed. Especially in the past decade, Christians have been reminded that their faith requires them to take seriously the cries of the oppressed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Theologians such as Gutierrez, Miranda, and Hinkelammert have defined the Christian message as one which liberates lives and transforms social patterns of oppression. That concept of Christianity which sees God as the creator of the universe and the One who seeks justice is not exclusive; immunity from cruelty and injustice is not only a human desire or need—the animal kingdom also needs liberation.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A growing number of Christian theologians, clergy and activists are beginning to take a stand in favor of animal rights. In a pamphlet entitled &quot;Christian Considerations on Laboratory Animals,&quot; Reverend Marc Wessels notes that in laboratories animals cease to be persons and become &quot;tools of research.&quot; He cites William French of Loyala University as having made the same observation at a gathering of Christian ethicists at Duke University—a conference entitled &quot;Good News for Animals?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Earth Day, 1990, Reverend Wessels observed: &quot;It is a fact that no significant social reform has yet taken place in this country without the voice of the religious community being heard. The endeavors of the abolition of slavery; the women’s suffrage movement; the emergence of the pacifist tradition during World War I; the struggles to support civil rights, labor unions, and migrant farm workers; and the anti-nuclear and peace movements have all succeeded in part because of the power and support of organized religion. Such authority and energy is required by individual Christians and the institutional church today if the liberation of animals is to become a reality.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 1980 United Nations report states that women constitute half the world’s population, perform nearly two-thirds of its work hours, yet receive one-tenth of the world’s income and own less than one-hundredth of the world’s property. The impact of the women’s movement upon the church is being heralded as a Second Reformation. Women are now being ordained as priests, pastors and ministers, while patriarchal references to the Almighty as &#8220;Father&#8221; are replaced with the gender-neutral &#8220;Parent.&#8221; Jesus Christ is designated the &#8220;Child of God.&#8221; The words of Scripture—perhaps, more accurately, the words of the apostle Paul—on this subject are seen today not as a divine revelation, but rather as an embarrassment from centuries past:</p>
<p>&#8220;Let the women keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak. Instead, they must, as the Law says, be in subordination. If they wish to learn something, let them inquire of their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church&#8230;let a woman learn quietly with complete submission. I do not allow a woman to teach, neither to domineer over a man; instead she is to keep still. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, since she was deceived, experienced the transgression. She will, however, be kept safe through the child-bearing, if with self-control she continues in faith and love and consecration.&#8221; (I Corinthians 14:34-35; I Timothy 2:11-15)</p>
<p>Many churches now claim these instructions were merely temporary frameworks used to build churches in the first century pagan world—they are not to be taken as universal absolutes for all eternity. If churches, Scripture and Christianity can adapt and be redefined or reinterpreted in a changing world to end injustices towards women, they can certainly do the same towards animals.</p>
<p>The International Network for Religion and Animals (INRA) was founded in 1985 by Virginia Bouraquardez. Its educational and religious programs are meant to &#8220;bring religious principles to bear upon humanity’s attitude towards the treatment of our animal kin&#8230;and, through leadership, materials, and programs, to successfully interact with clergy and laity from many religious traditions.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to the INRA:</p>
<p>&#8220;Religion counsels the powerful to be merciful and kind to those weaker than themselves, and most of humankind is at least nominally religious. But there is a ghastly paradox. Far from showing mercy, humanity uses its dominion over other animal species to pen them in cruel close confinement; to trap, club, and harpoon them; to poison, mutilate, and shock them in the name of science; to kill them by the billions; and even to blind them in excruciating pain to test cosmetics.</p>
<p>&#8220;Some of these abuses are due to mistaken understandings of religious principles; others, to a failure to apply those principles. Scriptures need to be fully researched concerning the relationship of humans to nonhuman animals, and to the entire ecological structure of Nature. Misinterpretations of scripture taken out of context, or based upon questionable theological assumptions need to be re-examined.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the winter of 1990, INRA’s Executive Director, the Reverend Dr. Marc A. Wessels wrote: &#8220;As a Christian clergyman who speaks of having compassion for other creatures and who actively declares the need for humans to develop an ethic that gives reverence for all of life, I hope that others will open their eyes, hearts and minds to the responsibility of loving care for God’s creatures.&#8221;</p>
<p>In a pamphlet entitled &#8220;The Spiritual Link Between Humans and Animals,&#8221; Reverend Wessels writes: &#8220;We recognize that many animal rights activists and ecologists are highly critical of Christians because of our relative failure thus far adequately to defend animals and to preserve the natural environment. Yet there are positive signs of a growing movement of Christian activists and theologians who are committed to the process of ecological stewardship and animal liberation.</p>
<p>&#8220;Individual Christians and groups on a variety of levels, including denominational, ecumenical, national and international, have begun the delayed process of seriously considering and practically addressing the question of Christian responsibility for animals. Because of the debate surrounding the ‘rights’ of animals, some Christians are considering the tenets of their faith in search for an appropriate ethical response.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to Reverend Wessels, &#8220;The most important teaching which Jesus shared was the need for people to love God with their whole self and to love their neighbor as they loved themselves. Jesus expanded the concept of neighbor to include those who were normally excluded, and it is therefore not too farfetched for us to consider the animals as our neighbors.</p>
<p>&#8220;To think about animals as our brothers and sisters is not a new or radical idea. By extending the idea of neighbor, the love of neighbor includes love of, compassion for, and advocacy of animals. There are many historical examples of Christians who thought along those lines, besides the familiar illustration of St. Francis. An abbreviated listing of some of those individuals worthy of study and emulation includes Saint Blaise, Saint Comgall, Saint Cuthbert, Saint Gerasimus, Saint Giles, and Saint Jerome, to name but a few.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reverend Wessels notes that: &#8220;In the Bible, which we understand as the divine revelation of God, there is ample evidence of the vastness and goodness of God toward animals. The Scriptures announce God as the creator of all life, the One responsible for calling life into being and placing it in an ordered fashion which reflects God’s glory. Humans and animals are a part of this arrangement. Humanity has a special relationship with particular duties to God’s created order, a connection to the animals by which they are morally bound by God’s covenant with them.</p>
<p>&#8220;According to the Scriptures, Christians are called to respect the life of animals and to be ethically engaged in protecting the life and liberty of all sentient creatures. As that is the case, human needs and rights do not usurp an animal’s intrinsic rights, nor should they deny the basic liberty of either individual animals or specific species. If the Christian call can be understood as being a command to be righteous, then Christians must have a higher regard for the lives of animals.</p>
<p>&#8220;Jesus’ life was one of compassion and liberation;&#8221; concludes Reverend Wessels, &#8220;his ministry was one which understood and expressed the needs of the oppressed. Especially in the past decade, Christians have been reminded that their faith requires them to take seriously the cries of the oppressed.</p>
<p>&#8220;Theologians such as Gutierrez, Miranda, and Hinkelammert have defined the Christian message as one which liberates lives and transforms social patterns of oppression. That concept of Christianity which sees God as the creator of the universe and the One who seeks justice is not exclusive; immunity from cruelty and injustice is not only a human desire or need—the animal kingdom also needs liberation.&#8221;</p>
<p>A growing number of Christian theologians, clergy and activists are beginning to take a stand in favor of animal rights. In a pamphlet entitled &#8220;Christian Considerations on Laboratory Animals,&#8221; Reverend Marc Wessels notes that in laboratories animals cease to be persons and become &#8220;tools of research.&#8221; He cites William French of Loyala University as having made the same observation at a gathering of Christian ethicists at Duke University—a conference entitled &#8220;Good News for Animals?&#8221;</p>
<p>On Earth Day, 1990, Reverend Wessels observed: &#8220;It is a fact that no significant social reform has yet taken place in this country without the voice of the religious community being heard. The endeavors of the abolition of slavery; the women’s suffrage movement; the emergence of the pacifist tradition during World War I; the struggles to support civil rights, labor unions, and migrant farm workers; and the anti-nuclear and peace movements have all succeeded in part because of the power and support of organized religion. Such authority and energy is required by individual Christians and the institutional church today if the liberation of animals is to become a reality.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TedVothJr</title>
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		<dc:creator>TedVothJr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds really good to me. it&#039;s about time, for me, that Obama stopped &#039;staying the Cheney course&#039;, and started restoring Contitutional government and repairing the damage.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m all for true Christian citizens in public life, as Ms Benjamin appears to be. Good on her, good on Obama, but…&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;… As a Christian citizen one of the things that troubles me about the ongoing trend of the Cheney administration is the ongoing breaking down of the separation, as in the Obama&#039;s ongoing Office of Faith-Based Intiatives. Bart Campolo says &#039;Mixing Church and state is like mixing ice cream and horse manure; it doesn&#039;t do much to the manure, but it sure spoils the ice cream.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He&#039;s wrong about the manure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds really good to me. it&#39;s about time, for me, that Obama stopped &#39;staying the Cheney course&#39;, and started restoring Contitutional government and repairing the damage.</p>
<p>I&#39;m all for true Christian citizens in public life, as Ms Benjamin appears to be. Good on her, good on Obama, but…</p>
<p>… As a Christian citizen one of the things that troubles me about the ongoing trend of the Cheney administration is the ongoing breaking down of the separation, as in the Obama&#39;s ongoing Office of Faith-Based Intiatives. Bart Campolo says &#39;Mixing Church and state is like mixing ice cream and horse manure; it doesn&#39;t do much to the manure, but it sure spoils the ice cream.&#39;</p>
<p>He&#39;s wrong about the manure.</p>
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		<title>By: reginabenjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>reginabenjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama has made a new pick for Surgeon General, Dr. Regina Benjamin.  Regina Benjamin, MD, graduated from Morehouse School of Medicine, and ran a practice dedicated to low income families around Bayou La Route since the early 90s, and moonlighted in clinics and ER&#039;s to fund her practice.  Her practice in Louisiana was destroyed by Hurricane Katrina, and again by a fire almost a year to the day afterwards, and she used a cash loan or two to rebuild.  Her position on socialized medicine is unknown.  &lt;a rev=&quot;vote for&quot; title=&quot;Obama Picks Regina Benjamin to Be Surgeon General&quot; href=&quot;http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2009/07/13/regina-benjamin/ &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Regina Benjamin&lt;/a&gt; is a credit to the human race, a great pick for SG – and many would give a cash advance to see someone as qualified take the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama has made a new pick for Surgeon General, Dr. Regina Benjamin.  Regina Benjamin, MD, graduated from Morehouse School of Medicine, and ran a practice dedicated to low income families around Bayou La Route since the early 90s, and moonlighted in clinics and ER&#39;s to fund her practice.  Her practice in Louisiana was destroyed by Hurricane Katrina, and again by a fire almost a year to the day afterwards, and she used a cash loan or two to rebuild.  Her position on socialized medicine is unknown.  <a rev="vote for" title="Obama Picks Regina Benjamin to Be Surgeon General" href="http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2009/07/13/regina-benjamin/ " rel="nofollow">Regina Benjamin</a> is a credit to the human race, a great pick for SG – and many would give a cash advance to see someone as qualified take the post.</p>
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		<title>By: TedVothJr</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/13/women-leaders-in-the-early-church-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89876</link>
		<dc:creator>TedVothJr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The form has nothing to do with its being a title.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Greek word is not masculine, it&#039;s epicene, or common, like the title of Athena, Parthenos.  Nouns and adjectives, or substantives, other than 3rd declension substantives, compounded of a noun and a prefix in Greek are always in the 2nd declension, which is otherwise normally but not always the masculine declension.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s a delightful Divine &#039;coincidence&#039; that it&#039;s not transparent whether the Greek &#039;diakonos&#039; is masculine or feminine</description>
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<p>The Greek word is not masculine, it&#39;s epicene, or common, like the title of Athena, Parthenos.  Nouns and adjectives, or substantives, other than 3rd declension substantives, compounded of a noun and a prefix in Greek are always in the 2nd declension, which is otherwise normally but not always the masculine declension.</p>
<p>It&#39;s a delightful Divine &#39;coincidence&#39; that it&#39;s not transparent whether the Greek &#39;diakonos&#39; is masculine or feminine</p>
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		<title>By: bgcurtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>bgcurtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all respect, the evidence cited in the brief article above are not as sure or certain as claimed. The evidence from the first century itself is sparse, with Romans 16:1-2 the single best piece of it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Greek word diakonos, the word in Rom 16:1 (well, there it&#039;s actually diakonon, the accusative), is sometimes best translated &quot;servant&quot; (an unofficial function) rather than &quot;deacon&quot; (an official title). That&#039;s possible in Rom 16:2, so both possibilities have to be considered, along with any further evidences and arguments.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Junia in Romans 16:7, mentioned by one of the post-ers above, yes, the evidence favors a feminine interpretation here, although the form as it appears in verse 7 (accusative, masc. or fem., &quot;Junian&quot;) is, strictly speaking, ambiguous.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The crucial Greek phrase that links her to the apostles, or perhaps identifies her as an apostle, is, however, susceptible to more than one understanding. &quot;Outstanding among the apostles&quot; could perhaps mean, &quot;as one of the apostles, she&#039;s remarkable.&quot; However, it could carry a different sense: &quot;The circle of the apostles holds her in high esteem.&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Caution is in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all respect, the evidence cited in the brief article above are not as sure or certain as claimed. The evidence from the first century itself is sparse, with Romans 16:1-2 the single best piece of it. </p>
<p>The Greek word diakonos, the word in Rom 16:1 (well, there it&#39;s actually diakonon, the accusative), is sometimes best translated &#8220;servant&#8221; (an unofficial function) rather than &#8220;deacon&#8221; (an official title). That&#39;s possible in Rom 16:2, so both possibilities have to be considered, along with any further evidences and arguments.</p>
<p>As for Junia in Romans 16:7, mentioned by one of the post-ers above, yes, the evidence favors a feminine interpretation here, although the form as it appears in verse 7 (accusative, masc. or fem., &#8220;Junian&#8221;) is, strictly speaking, ambiguous.</p>
<p>The crucial Greek phrase that links her to the apostles, or perhaps identifies her as an apostle, is, however, susceptible to more than one understanding. &#8220;Outstanding among the apostles&#8221; could perhaps mean, &#8220;as one of the apostles, she&#39;s remarkable.&#8221; However, it could carry a different sense: &#8220;The circle of the apostles holds her in high esteem.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Caution is in order.</p>
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		<title>By: anniepace</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/13/women-leaders-in-the-early-church-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89829</link>
		<dc:creator>anniepace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for mentioning Junia, I was just getting ready to post a comment about her.</description>
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		<title>By: watchmvp</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/13/women-leaders-in-the-early-church-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89827</link>
		<dc:creator>watchmvp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.watches-space.com/Patek-Philippe-Watches.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Patek Philippe Watches&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: 1Grace</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/13/women-leaders-in-the-early-church-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89826</link>
		<dc:creator>1Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She was around in Noahs time ,  plumbers come in handy during a flood.  ;0)</description>
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		<title>By: Palosaari</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/13/women-leaders-in-the-early-church-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89825</link>
		<dc:creator>Palosaari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Chrysostom&#039;s witness is especially compelling, considering how very misogynist he often was.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I may have had the first webpage on the web devoted to another leader of the early church, greater than a pastor, the Apostle Junia, over on Geocities, but Geocities has just announced they are closing their doors.  So I&#039;ve moved it over to my blog, and it can now be found at &lt;a href=&quot;http://biosaari.blogspot.com/2009/07/apostle-junia.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://biosaari.blogspot.com/2009/07/apostle-ju...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Chrysostom&#39;s witness is especially compelling, considering how very misogynist he often was.</p>
<p>I may have had the first webpage on the web devoted to another leader of the early church, greater than a pastor, the Apostle Junia, over on Geocities, but Geocities has just announced they are closing their doors.  So I&#39;ve moved it over to my blog, and it can now be found at <a href="http://biosaari.blogspot.com/2009/07/apostle-junia.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://biosaari.blogspot.com/2009/07/apostle-ju.." rel="nofollow">http://biosaari.blogspot.com/2009/07/apostle-ju..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Palosaari</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/13/women-leaders-in-the-early-church-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89824</link>
		<dc:creator>Palosaari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joan the Plumber?</description>
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		<title>By: canucklehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>canucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how about plumbers? any women plumbers mentioned in the Bible?</description>
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		<title>By: TWL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TWL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip had three daughers that we prophets. A prophet in eastern culture was one who proclaimed God&#039;s word. What is the job of a pastor, one who proclaims God&#039;s word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip had three daughers that we prophets. A prophet in eastern culture was one who proclaimed God&#39;s word. What is the job of a pastor, one who proclaims God&#39;s word.</p>
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		<title>By: 1Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>1Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No where is it prohibited, hence the controversary. My denomination has women Pastors , I do not see the problem from a Bibical understanding of the text . Only culturally and or tradition.</description>
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