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	<title>Comments on: Be Fair to the Pharisees: Guarding Against Anti-Jewish Attitudes</title>
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		<title>By: djrfree</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/17/lets-be-fair-to-the-pharisees/comment-page-1/#comment-93099</link>
		<dc:creator>djrfree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am heartened to hear Joel Allen&#039;s words about the pain felt by Jews in relation to Jesus&#039; apparent attitude toward the Pharisees.  I am a Methodist who is married to a Jew.  We both attend synagogue and church.  I can witness first hand to the fact that my wife feels more pain and insult in church than I do in synagogue.  This pain is not only caused by the contempt that is sometimes heaped upon the Pharisees, but also by the general denigration of Judaism as a religion (usually by modern, popular authors who should know better).  It is good to know that there are other Methodists concerned about correcting the anti-Judaism that is sometimes found in the New Testament.&lt;br&gt;Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am heartened to hear Joel Allen&#39;s words about the pain felt by Jews in relation to Jesus&#39; apparent attitude toward the Pharisees.  I am a Methodist who is married to a Jew.  We both attend synagogue and church.  I can witness first hand to the fact that my wife feels more pain and insult in church than I do in synagogue.  This pain is not only caused by the contempt that is sometimes heaped upon the Pharisees, but also by the general denigration of Judaism as a religion (usually by modern, popular authors who should know better).  It is good to know that there are other Methodists concerned about correcting the anti-Judaism that is sometimes found in the New Testament.<br />Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: MannySonofAbraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>MannySonofAbraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to always be aware of Israel&#039;s secular majority government, and that everything Israel does (good or bad) is not anti or pro-Jewish. A majority of Israelis quite often disagree with their government, as is the case with the separation wall between Israel and the West Bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to always be aware of Israel&#39;s secular majority government, and that everything Israel does (good or bad) is not anti or pro-Jewish. A majority of Israelis quite often disagree with their government, as is the case with the separation wall between Israel and the West Bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-Semitism in the New Testament &#124; Spirit of a Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anti-Semitism in the New Testament &#124; Spirit of a Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] professor of Religion and Bible, Joel Allen, offered an insightful blog post this week entitled, Be Fair to the Pharisees: Guarding Against Anti-Jewish Attitudes.&#160; There is a persistent sense that the Pharisees were the bad guys in Jesus’ life and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: obholmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>obholmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have quoted from your post and linked to it in my own blog.  I discussed your post with approval and added my own two cents:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theliberalspirit.com/?p=1206&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.theliberalspirit.com/?p=1206&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My additional discussion pertains to the historical factors that account for the partial and biased treatment of the Pharisees in the New Testament.  I mentioned the hostility between Paul and the Jerusalem Jewish church that accounts for much of his seemingly anti-Jewish rhetoric and the Jewish civil war and the ensuing re-emergence of the Pharisees as rabbinical Judaism in conflict with the now mostly gentile church of Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have quoted from your post and linked to it in my own blog.  I discussed your post with approval and added my own two cents:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theliberalspirit.com/?p=1206" rel="nofollow">http://www.theliberalspirit.com/?p=1206</a></p>
<p>My additional discussion pertains to the historical factors that account for the partial and biased treatment of the Pharisees in the New Testament.  I mentioned the hostility between Paul and the Jerusalem Jewish church that accounts for much of his seemingly anti-Jewish rhetoric and the Jewish civil war and the ensuing re-emergence of the Pharisees as rabbinical Judaism in conflict with the now mostly gentile church of Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: TedVothJr</title>
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		<dc:creator>TedVothJr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guide to dealing with my Jewish friends is Paul the Jew&#039;s letter to the Romans, especially the core of it, chapters 9, 10, and 11. (Read them; read the whole letter.) I cry out to God as Paul does; his desire is mine; that I &#039;d be cut off from God if it meant my Jewish friends&#039; salvation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We must remember, however easy and gentle and kind we want to be toward the Jews, especially considering the way Christianity the Religion has treated them, climaxing in the Sho&#039;ah, the Holocaust, that Jews, as Peter the Jew said, are saved, justified, sanctified and redeemed, in the unique Jewish way of salvation, the Lord Yeshua&#039; Messiah, just as we Gentiles are.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Look back, consider the history of the Church: How often do you think the Lord&#039;s been really pleased with us?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then look back, consider the history of the Hebrews in the Old Testament: how often was the LORD really happy with them? Not very often. He threw them out of his Land twice…&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the only folks our beloved Jewish Lord Jesus was ever publically furiously angry with, the Religious Right of his day, the Pharisees, he had a reason.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One morning in Jerusalem Peter the Jew preached a Jewish sermon to a Jewish crowd in which he said &#039;There is salvation in no other, for there&#039;s no other name given among men by which we must be saved.&#039; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Modern Judaism is the descendant of those Jews who did not acknowledge the Messiah freely given them by the LORD God of Israel, even following his Resurrection the third day after his death (At the hands of a diabolical three-way conspiracy of Jewish Pharisees and Sadducees and Roman Gentiles, all of whom hated each others&#039; guts.) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Rabbis to this day will tell you a Jew can do anything at all and remain a Jew EXCEPT &#039;confess with his mouth that &#039;Jesus is YHWH,&#039; and presumably &#039;believe in his heart that God has raised him from the dead.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact the only person who can become a Christian WITHOUT giving up his old religion is a Jew. Did any of the Apostles stop being a Jew? Did Jesus?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These are hard sayings. May we deal in God&#039;s own love and grace and wisdom with the ancient People he still loves more than his own life.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;3 TV2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guide to dealing with my Jewish friends is Paul the Jew&#39;s letter to the Romans, especially the core of it, chapters 9, 10, and 11. (Read them; read the whole letter.) I cry out to God as Paul does; his desire is mine; that I &#39;d be cut off from God if it meant my Jewish friends&#39; salvation.</p>
<p>We must remember, however easy and gentle and kind we want to be toward the Jews, especially considering the way Christianity the Religion has treated them, climaxing in the Sho&#39;ah, the Holocaust, that Jews, as Peter the Jew said, are saved, justified, sanctified and redeemed, in the unique Jewish way of salvation, the Lord Yeshua&#39; Messiah, just as we Gentiles are.</p>
<p>Look back, consider the history of the Church: How often do you think the Lord&#39;s been really pleased with us?</p>
<p>Then look back, consider the history of the Hebrews in the Old Testament: how often was the LORD really happy with them? Not very often. He threw them out of his Land twice…</p>
<p>If the only folks our beloved Jewish Lord Jesus was ever publically furiously angry with, the Religious Right of his day, the Pharisees, he had a reason.</p>
<p>One morning in Jerusalem Peter the Jew preached a Jewish sermon to a Jewish crowd in which he said &#39;There is salvation in no other, for there&#39;s no other name given among men by which we must be saved.&#39; </p>
<p>Modern Judaism is the descendant of those Jews who did not acknowledge the Messiah freely given them by the LORD God of Israel, even following his Resurrection the third day after his death (At the hands of a diabolical three-way conspiracy of Jewish Pharisees and Sadducees and Roman Gentiles, all of whom hated each others&#39; guts.) </p>
<p>The Rabbis to this day will tell you a Jew can do anything at all and remain a Jew EXCEPT &#39;confess with his mouth that &#39;Jesus is YHWH,&#39; and presumably &#39;believe in his heart that God has raised him from the dead.&#39;</p>
<p>In fact the only person who can become a Christian WITHOUT giving up his old religion is a Jew. Did any of the Apostles stop being a Jew? Did Jesus?</p>
<p>These are hard sayings. May we deal in God&#39;s own love and grace and wisdom with the ancient People he still loves more than his own life.</p>
<p>&lt;3 TV2</p>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/17/lets-be-fair-to-the-pharisees/comment-page-1/#comment-90072</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;I rarely hear much disdain for Palestinian terrorism from the Christian left; and almost never hear criticism of human rights abuses that occur regularly in such places as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc. Why so much emphasis on Israel, which compared to these other states is a model of justice?&lt;/I&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You may have answered your own question.  For openers, Israel, for millennia an &quot;oppressed&quot; people, once it got some power, turns around and does the oppressing, similar to the Boers in South Africa toward blacks in that country; it&#039;s no surprise that even Jimmy Carter considered that situation analogous to apartheid.  Second, in the process it holds &lt;I&gt;itself&lt;/I&gt; to a higher standard.  Third, it gets billions annually in American aid.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Besides, the post really had virtually nothing to do with modern Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I rarely hear much disdain for Palestinian terrorism from the Christian left; and almost never hear criticism of human rights abuses that occur regularly in such places as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc. Why so much emphasis on Israel, which compared to these other states is a model of justice?</i></p>
<p>You may have answered your own question.  For openers, Israel, for millennia an &#8220;oppressed&#8221; people, once it got some power, turns around and does the oppressing, similar to the Boers in South Africa toward blacks in that country; it&#39;s no surprise that even Jimmy Carter considered that situation analogous to apartheid.  Second, in the process it holds <i>itself</i> to a higher standard.  Third, it gets billions annually in American aid.</p>
<p>Besides, the post really had virtually nothing to do with modern Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: mjeinpenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjeinpenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem lies in the fact that many Christians (particularly progressive Christians, among which I place myself) tend to be very selective in their criticisms of perceived injustices, especially when it comes to Israel.  For example, I rarely hear much disdain for Palestinian terrorism from the Christian left; and almost never hear criticism of human rights abuses that occur regularly in such places as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc.  Why so much emphasis on Israel, which compared to these other states is a model of justice?  If not for the long history of Christian anti-Semitism, this selective focus might be less noticeable.  But in light of this history, it is very difficult to conclude that selectively harsh criticism of Israel -- often completely onesided and ignorant of the facts on the ground -- which disregards the grossly disproportionate injustices committed by the Arab world against its own people, not to mention against Israelis, is more than just mere political criticism.  And although I do not quite understand your theological point, it seems to me that it somewhat misses the point of Joel Allen&#039;s article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem lies in the fact that many Christians (particularly progressive Christians, among which I place myself) tend to be very selective in their criticisms of perceived injustices, especially when it comes to Israel.  For example, I rarely hear much disdain for Palestinian terrorism from the Christian left; and almost never hear criticism of human rights abuses that occur regularly in such places as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc.  Why so much emphasis on Israel, which compared to these other states is a model of justice?  If not for the long history of Christian anti-Semitism, this selective focus might be less noticeable.  But in light of this history, it is very difficult to conclude that selectively harsh criticism of Israel &#8212; often completely onesided and ignorant of the facts on the ground &#8212; which disregards the grossly disproportionate injustices committed by the Arab world against its own people, not to mention against Israelis, is more than just mere political criticism.  And although I do not quite understand your theological point, it seems to me that it somewhat misses the point of Joel Allen&#39;s article.</p>
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		<title>By: A kinder, gentler Pharisee &#171; Dating Jesus</title>
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		<dc:creator>A kinder, gentler Pharisee &#171; Dating Jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a careful reading of the text shows a much more complex group and not nearly the bad guys some Sunday school teachers make them out to be. I learned this at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so fast.  Anti-Zionist resentment goes back to the turn of the last century, in large part because of Western colonization of the Middle East.   Present-day Israel is considered a result of that because Arabs in that part of the world feel that that they bear the brunt of the West&#039;s &quot;Jewish problem.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And let&#039;s keep in mind theological ramifications, as well.  The Scriptures are clear in that Israel was constantly disciplined for disobedience.  Are we Christians now supposed to ignore that just because they&#039;re Jews?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so fast.  Anti-Zionist resentment goes back to the turn of the last century, in large part because of Western colonization of the Middle East.   Present-day Israel is considered a result of that because Arabs in that part of the world feel that that they bear the brunt of the West&#39;s &#8220;Jewish problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>And let&#39;s keep in mind theological ramifications, as well.  The Scriptures are clear in that Israel was constantly disciplined for disobedience.  Are we Christians now supposed to ignore that just because they&#39;re Jews?</p>
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		<title>By: mjeinpenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjeinpenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your statement alone reflects an unfair, unjust, and inaccurate perception of the political and historical realities of the Middle East that suggests some of the anti-Semitism may be coming from within.  Christian anti-Semitism has been around for centuries and is largely or partly to blame for the Spanish Inquisition, the Holocaust, and the persecution of Jews throughout the ages.  Christian silence and acquiescence during the Holocaust was shameful.  As a result, &quot;Christians&quot; should really think things through before making blanket statements such as that Israel&#039;s actions are &quot;viciously cruel and illegal&quot;.  Palestinian terrorism, the shelling of Israeli towns and villages (in both the South from Hamas and in the North from Hezbollah), the lack of any prominent voices of non-violence coming from the Palestinians, the manner in which Palestinian schools continue to teach hatred of the Jews and of Israel, and the constant rejection of peace by so-called Palestinian leaders, suggests to me that the viciousnes and the illegalities may be coming from a direction other than Israel.  Do the Palestinians have legitimate grievances? Of course, and as Christians it is important to speak out and work for peace.  But one-sided attacks on Israel and the failure to recognize the incredibly difficult burdens that Israelis bear -- they have been threatened with annihilation from the first day of their founding; they have been the victims of unprovoked attacks by the surrounding Arab countries numerous times in their short-lived history as a nation; they continue to be attacked every day by Hamas and Hezbollah rockets and Palestinian terror; and despite all of this, they have made offers of peace, including the dismantling of settlements and the return of virtually all of the disputed lands, which have been repeatedly rejected by the Palestinians -- does nothing to advance the cause of peace and serves only to emphasize many Christians&#039; continued ignorance of and insensitivity to our shameful history of anti-Semitism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your statement alone reflects an unfair, unjust, and inaccurate perception of the political and historical realities of the Middle East that suggests some of the anti-Semitism may be coming from within.  Christian anti-Semitism has been around for centuries and is largely or partly to blame for the Spanish Inquisition, the Holocaust, and the persecution of Jews throughout the ages.  Christian silence and acquiescence during the Holocaust was shameful.  As a result, &#8220;Christians&#8221; should really think things through before making blanket statements such as that Israel&#39;s actions are &#8220;viciously cruel and illegal&#8221;.  Palestinian terrorism, the shelling of Israeli towns and villages (in both the South from Hamas and in the North from Hezbollah), the lack of any prominent voices of non-violence coming from the Palestinians, the manner in which Palestinian schools continue to teach hatred of the Jews and of Israel, and the constant rejection of peace by so-called Palestinian leaders, suggests to me that the viciousnes and the illegalities may be coming from a direction other than Israel.  Do the Palestinians have legitimate grievances? Of course, and as Christians it is important to speak out and work for peace.  But one-sided attacks on Israel and the failure to recognize the incredibly difficult burdens that Israelis bear &#8212; they have been threatened with annihilation from the first day of their founding; they have been the victims of unprovoked attacks by the surrounding Arab countries numerous times in their short-lived history as a nation; they continue to be attacked every day by Hamas and Hezbollah rockets and Palestinian terror; and despite all of this, they have made offers of peace, including the dismantling of settlements and the return of virtually all of the disputed lands, which have been repeatedly rejected by the Palestinians &#8212; does nothing to advance the cause of peace and serves only to emphasize many Christians&#39; continued ignorance of and insensitivity to our shameful history of anti-Semitism.</p>
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		<title>By: 1Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>1Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he Pharisees were actually the closest in thinking to Jesus of any group at the time&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Paradoxtor you are quite right , this statement has bo Bibical basis . &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;According to Jesus there was no one greater then John the Baptist . And he would be the least in the kingdom of God .  His disciples were taught that he himself was unfit to being the same category of Christ . That group of followers are the ones Jesus kept closest to Him and many of them followed Him . &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;John the Baptist  was not being modest . Jesus spoke of the evil thoughts the Pharisees , Herodians, and Sadducee&#039;s used . Love your God with all our hearts , love your neighbor as yourself . Thats regardless of who they are , political differences or ideologies.&lt;br&gt;I would think that covers diversity , and diversity is not greater then Love according to Christ. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;  Caiaphas promoted religion , while playing with the politics of Rome in the background . He sacrificed his Godly knowledge and principles  to improve his relationship with Rome . &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he Pharisees were actually the closest in thinking to Jesus of any group at the time&#8221;</p>
<p>Paradoxtor you are quite right , this statement has bo Bibical basis . </p>
<p>According to Jesus there was no one greater then John the Baptist . And he would be the least in the kingdom of God .  His disciples were taught that he himself was unfit to being the same category of Christ . That group of followers are the ones Jesus kept closest to Him and many of them followed Him . </p>
<p>John the Baptist  was not being modest . Jesus spoke of the evil thoughts the Pharisees , Herodians, and Sadducee&#39;s used . Love your God with all our hearts , love your neighbor as yourself . Thats regardless of who they are , political differences or ideologies.<br />I would think that covers diversity , and diversity is not greater then Love according to Christ. </p>
<p>  Caiaphas promoted religion , while playing with the politics of Rome in the background . He sacrificed his Godly knowledge and principles  to improve his relationship with Rome . </p>
<p>&#8220;Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anothernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anothernonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the way most Jewish people see it is that Christianity holds up an impossible standard - perfection - while Judaism offers an eminently livable way of life that brings you closer to God. Most Jews are neither more nor less legalistic than most Christians, IMO, and we would do well to attend to the Jewish critique of the way we live out our supposedly grace-filled religion. It&#039;s often right on target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the way most Jewish people see it is that Christianity holds up an impossible standard &#8211; perfection &#8211; while Judaism offers an eminently livable way of life that brings you closer to God. Most Jews are neither more nor less legalistic than most Christians, IMO, and we would do well to attend to the Jewish critique of the way we live out our supposedly grace-filled religion. It&#39;s often right on target.</p>
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		<title>By: Posts about Holy Spirit as of July 18, 2009 &#124; PRAYtheREVOLUTION</title>
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		<dc:creator>Posts about Holy Spirit as of July 18, 2009 &#124; PRAYtheREVOLUTION</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] others.  Jesus is coming for His church very soon and we must awake the church as to this fact.   Be Fair to the Pharisees: Guarding Against Anti-Jewish Attitudes &#8211; blog.sojo.net 07/17/2009 by Joel Allen07-17-2009 In the fall of 1997, I began a graduate [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] others.  Jesus is coming for His church very soon and we must awake the church as to this fact.   Be Fair to the Pharisees: Guarding Against Anti-Jewish Attitudes &#8211; blog.sojo.net 07/17/2009 by Joel Allen07-17-2009 In the fall of 1997, I began a graduate [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pjalama</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/17/lets-be-fair-to-the-pharisees/comment-page-1/#comment-90011</link>
		<dc:creator>pjalama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have often been confused as to the literal meaning of Pharisee. Was it a job (like &quot;priest&quot; or &quot;scribe&quot;), a denomination (like Catholic or Lutheran), a movement (like Fundamentalist or Pentecostal)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have often been confused as to the literal meaning of Pharisee. Was it a job (like &#8220;priest&#8221; or &#8220;scribe&#8221;), a denomination (like Catholic or Lutheran), a movement (like Fundamentalist or Pentecostal)?</p>
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		<title>By: 1Grace</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/17/lets-be-fair-to-the-pharisees/comment-page-1/#comment-90002</link>
		<dc:creator>1Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palosaari the Pharisees used the word of God to make themselves appear bigger, they did not want to serve , but be served . Paul found the Lord , and not till then did He put Him first in his life, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Pharisees and Saducees are found in most religious institutions. In fact in ourselves. Myself at times anyway . That part of me is bunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palosaari the Pharisees used the word of God to make themselves appear bigger, they did not want to serve , but be served . Paul found the Lord , and not till then did He put Him first in his life, </p>
<p>The Pharisees and Saducees are found in most religious institutions. In fact in ourselves. Myself at times anyway . That part of me is bunk.</p>
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		<title>By: MManatee</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/17/lets-be-fair-to-the-pharisees/comment-page-1/#comment-89990</link>
		<dc:creator>MManatee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: paradoxtor</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/17/lets-be-fair-to-the-pharisees/comment-page-1/#comment-89985</link>
		<dc:creator>paradoxtor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I guess so you will correct Jesus for not being more explicit in his language.  Or do you give Him a pass for saying such a thing as &quot;Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees.&quot;  (He does include the Saducees also).  Your point about how we treat people is good.  But perhaps it would be better to educate your Jewish friends as the clarity that not all Pharisees were bad (Jesus does use a generalization.)  The term does not mean all Jews.  I run in pretty conservative circles and am not aware of anyone I know that uses pharisaical other than to apply to Christians who are very legalistic.  The Apostles were Jews!  I would however say that it is legitimate to contrast Judaism (in general) as leaning more towards legalism that Christianity for which grace is the explicit center.  Does that make me a bigot?  Is sojo&#039;s position that we can never say anything negative about another religion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I guess so you will correct Jesus for not being more explicit in his language.  Or do you give Him a pass for saying such a thing as &#8220;Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees.&#8221;  (He does include the Saducees also).  Your point about how we treat people is good.  But perhaps it would be better to educate your Jewish friends as the clarity that not all Pharisees were bad (Jesus does use a generalization.)  The term does not mean all Jews.  I run in pretty conservative circles and am not aware of anyone I know that uses pharisaical other than to apply to Christians who are very legalistic.  The Apostles were Jews!  I would however say that it is legitimate to contrast Judaism (in general) as leaning more towards legalism that Christianity for which grace is the explicit center.  Does that make me a bigot?  Is sojo&#39;s position that we can never say anything negative about another religion?</p>
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		<title>By: sojournaroo</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/17/lets-be-fair-to-the-pharisees/comment-page-1/#comment-89983</link>
		<dc:creator>sojournaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder whether Israel&#039;s viciously cruel and illegal treatment of the Palestinians might be coloring people&#039;s perception of Jews.  Anti-semitism worldwide has increased, with this the most likely explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder whether Israel&#39;s viciously cruel and illegal treatment of the Palestinians might be coloring people&#39;s perception of Jews.  Anti-semitism worldwide has increased, with this the most likely explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/17/lets-be-fair-to-the-pharisees/comment-page-1/#comment-89981</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also important to note that many Pharisees actually believed in Jesus; thus, on Him they were divided.  And let us also consider that the apostle Paul also was a Pharisee.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The real problem with the Pharisees is that they missed the point of the law -- to drive them to Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s also important to note that many Pharisees actually believed in Jesus; thus, on Him they were divided.  And let us also consider that the apostle Paul also was a Pharisee.</p>
<p>The real problem with the Pharisees is that they missed the point of the law &#8212; to drive them to Him.</p>
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		<title>By: Palosaari</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/07/17/lets-be-fair-to-the-pharisees/comment-page-1/#comment-89979</link>
		<dc:creator>Palosaari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say what&#039;s unique in the Good Samaritan story is that Jesus is explicit that we should consider loving with all our being those that we most hate and despise.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I think you&#039;re right on the main point of your sermon.  The Pharisees were actually the closest in thinking to Jesus of any group at the time, and this often gets lost in our recapitulation of his stories.  He was preaching against those closest to him, perhaps *because* they were the closest to him. And if we think that all pharisees are bunk, then by his very words, we have to throw out most of our New Testament- written by the pharisee Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d say what&#39;s unique in the Good Samaritan story is that Jesus is explicit that we should consider loving with all our being those that we most hate and despise.</p>
<p>But I think you&#39;re right on the main point of your sermon.  The Pharisees were actually the closest in thinking to Jesus of any group at the time, and this often gets lost in our recapitulation of his stories.  He was preaching against those closest to him, perhaps *because* they were the closest to him. And if we think that all pharisees are bunk, then by his very words, we have to throw out most of our New Testament- written by the pharisee Paul.</p>
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