Comments on: ‘Jose Illegal’ is a Lie http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/ A Blog by Jim Wallis and Friends Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:33:54 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Joe Legal vs Jose Illegal - Fertile Thoughts http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-96452 Joe Legal vs Jose Illegal - Fertile Thoughts Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:52:53 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-96452 [...] (see link for rest of article) ISAAC Forum: Another misleading email: Joe Legal v. Jose Illegal ‘Jose Illegal’ is a Lie - Melanie Weldon-Soiset - God’s Politics Blog ++++++++++++ [...] [...] (see link for rest of article) ISAAC Forum: Another misleading email: Joe Legal v. Jose Illegal ‘Jose Illegal’ is a Lie – Melanie Weldon-Soiset – God’s Politics Blog ++++++++++++ [...]

]]> By: Sales Jobs http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-110319 Sales Jobs Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:59:17 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-110319 I think one of the most difficult aspects to the debate about illegal immigrants is the hyperbole that always seems to surround it. I think at the heart of the issue is that most of the people who are arguing the "loudest" on either side of the issue already had their minds made up before they did any research. Then, in lieu of real research, they'll simply find "facts" (read: inaccuracies) to support whatever they believe in. It's quite depressing, actually, that the level of political and social discourse in this country is little more than a shouting match back and forth. It is, however, a nice change of pace to see a blog such as this that addresses the issues in an honest manner. I'm all for curtailing any activity by illegal aliens that will "hurt" the country or legal citizens, but making up lies to support one's views is not the way to go about dealing with the issue. I think one of the most difficult aspects to the debate about illegal immigrants is the hyperbole that always seems to surround it. I think at the heart of the issue is that most of the people who are arguing the “loudest” on either side of the issue already had their minds made up before they did any research. Then, in lieu of real research, they'll simply find “facts” (read: inaccuracies) to support whatever they believe in. It's quite depressing, actually, that the level of political and social discourse in this country is little more than a shouting match back and forth. It is, however, a nice change of pace to see a blog such as this that addresses the issues in an honest manner. I'm all for curtailing any activity by illegal aliens that will “hurt” the country or legal citizens, but making up lies to support one's views is not the way to go about dealing with the issue.

]]> By: Sales Jobs http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-93744 Sales Jobs Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:59:17 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-93744 I think one of the most difficult aspects to the debate about illegal immigrants is the hyperbole that always seems to surround it. I think at the heart of the issue is that most of the people who are arguing the "loudest" on either side of the issue already had their minds made up before they did any research. Then, in lieu of real research, they'll simply find "facts" (read: inaccuracies) to support whatever they believe in. It's quite depressing, actually, that the level of political and social discourse in this country is little more than a shouting match back and forth. It is, however, a nice change of pace to see a blog such as this that addresses the issues in an honest manner. I'm all for curtailing any activity by illegal aliens that will "hurt" the country or legal citizens, but making up lies to support one's views is not the way to go about dealing with the issue. I think one of the most difficult aspects to the debate about illegal immigrants is the hyperbole that always seems to surround it. I think at the heart of the issue is that most of the people who are arguing the “loudest” on either side of the issue already had their minds made up before they did any research. Then, in lieu of real research, they'll simply find “facts” (read: inaccuracies) to support whatever they believe in. It's quite depressing, actually, that the level of political and social discourse in this country is little more than a shouting match back and forth. It is, however, a nice change of pace to see a blog such as this that addresses the issues in an honest manner. I'm all for curtailing any activity by illegal aliens that will “hurt” the country or legal citizens, but making up lies to support one's views is not the way to go about dealing with the issue.

]]> By: Joe_Allen_Doty http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-90856 Joe_Allen_Doty Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:49:48 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-90856 A couple of years ago, a local TV news anchor went to a housing construction site and talked to the owner of the company which was building the houses.<br><br>At the time she talked to him on the lot in the background men were doing framing work. <br><br>The owner said that he paid everyone who worked for him doing framing $12.50 per hour. The people who were American Citizens and legal aliens with green cards were put on his regular payroll and all regular deductions were taken from their weekly paychecks.<br><br>But, he paid cash to the undocumented workers. Therefore, they had more take-home pay that the others did.<br><br>Yes, he actually admitted that on TV. A couple of years ago, a local TV news anchor went to a housing construction site and talked to the owner of the company which was building the houses.

At the time she talked to him on the lot in the background men were doing framing work.

The owner said that he paid everyone who worked for him doing framing $12.50 per hour. The people who were American Citizens and legal aliens with green cards were put on his regular payroll and all regular deductions were taken from their weekly paychecks.

But, he paid cash to the undocumented workers. Therefore, they had more take-home pay that the others did.

Yes, he actually admitted that on TV.

]]> By: USA Property Investors http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-90835 USA Property Investors Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:52:27 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-90835 We can Click on Spam button to avoid such Emails. We can Click on Spam button to avoid such Emails.

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-90831 BlueDeacon Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:36:37 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-90831 You miss the point. It doesn't really matter <I>who</I> wrote it because its purpose is to inflame, not inform -- and that doesn't jibe with a Biblical attitude. And did you notice how it was titled "Joe Legal vs Jose Illegal" -- the assumption is that the latter comes from Mexico. (Not to mention that it assumes that all folks from Mexico are illegal. There's more, besides. You miss the point. It doesn't really matter who wrote it because its purpose is to inflame, not inform — and that doesn't jibe with a Biblical attitude. And did you notice how it was titled “Joe Legal vs Jose Illegal” — the assumption is that the latter comes from Mexico. (Not to mention that it assumes that all folks from Mexico are illegal. There's more, besides.

]]> By: wjschroeder http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-90824 wjschroeder Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:10:37 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-90824 i agree with the one wanting to know who wrote it. if your be critical of someone wiht influenece thats one thing if it some nobody just spotting off, how is it it honest to use it in a broad sense to make your point. for onr illegals cost us a tone of money. as for the paying taxes part we know know why the government doesnt want reform, because they still get their taxes, just shows how much our representatives really care about us. this should be the story here not ridiculling some random post. wake up seriously. I would think a christian political site would be a bit better at being diserning. Do you honestly think the parties especially the democrates want reform to help the situation or for votes. i agree with the one wanting to know who wrote it. if your be critical of someone wiht influenece thats one thing if it some nobody just spotting off, how is it it honest to use it in a broad sense to make your point. for onr illegals cost us a tone of money. as for the paying taxes part we know know why the government doesnt want reform, because they still get their taxes, just shows how much our representatives really care about us. this should be the story here not ridiculling some random post. wake up seriously. I would think a christian political site would be a bit better at being diserning. Do you honestly think the parties especially the democrates want reform to help the situation or for votes.

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-90789 BlueDeacon Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:48:54 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-90789 I always check <a href="http://www.snopes.com" rel="nofollow">www.snopes.com</a> and then, if I find the info to be false, I send a reply message with the URL containing the correct info. That said, I didn't find anything on this latest hoax. I always check http://www.snopes.com and then, if I find the info to be false, I send a reply message with the URL containing the correct info. That said, I didn't find anything on this latest hoax.

]]> By: WaveTossed http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-90786 WaveTossed Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:13:40 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-90786 I get xenophobic, prejudiced emails all the time. What I do with them is promptly hit the "delete" button. I get xenophobic, prejudiced emails all the time. What I do with them is promptly hit the “delete” button.

]]> By: BuckeyeDon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-90785 BuckeyeDon Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:48:34 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-90785 Voldemort, it's worth bringing this up because so many people will receive these kinds of anonymous e-mails and won't critically analyze them--they'll just accept that the information is true. And what's worse, they'll forward them to 20 of their friends, often with some kind of endorsement: "Can you believe this?" or "We need to do something about this!"<br><br>I've tried to debunk these kinds of things with friends and family members, and it's amazing what people will believe just because someone they know sent them this e-mail. Voldemort, it's worth bringing this up because so many people will receive these kinds of anonymous e-mails and won't critically analyze them–they'll just accept that the information is true. And what's worse, they'll forward them to 20 of their friends, often with some kind of endorsement: “Can you believe this?” or “We need to do something about this!”

I've tried to debunk these kinds of things with friends and family members, and it's amazing what people will believe just because someone they know sent them this e-mail.

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-90776 BlueDeacon Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:21:15 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-90776 The status of the author of the e-mail is completely beside the point -- for all we know, it may be (and probably is) one of those Internet hoaxes that has made its way through cyberspace written specifically to provoke xenophobic outrage. It turns out that those pro-American screeds often attributed to foreigners were actually written by Americans and published in conservative media.<br><br>BTW, as a free-lance moonlighting musician I'm one of those "Joe Legals" who occasionally gets paid "under the table"; however, I always report 100 percent of my income. The status of the author of the e-mail is completely beside the point — for all we know, it may be (and probably is) one of those Internet hoaxes that has made its way through cyberspace written specifically to provoke xenophobic outrage. It turns out that those pro-American screeds often attributed to foreigners were actually written by Americans and published in conservative media.

BTW, as a free-lance moonlighting musician I'm one of those “Joe Legals” who occasionally gets paid “under the table”; however, I always report 100 percent of my income.

]]> By: Lord_Voldemort http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-90775 Lord_Voldemort Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:05:57 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-90775 Look, the author of this email is obviously not fully schooled in all the nuances of tax and immigration law -- that much I'll grant you. But who is the author? Is this a respected spokesman who might be taken seriously by the media or by those whose minds aren't made up, or a concerned citizen blowing off steam and preaching to the choir? If it's the former, why don't you give us his/her name so we can evaluate credibility? If it's the latter, why are you wasting your time?<br><br>You're supposed to be bright people who know policy. Intellectually speaking shouldn't you be picking on someone your own size?<br><br>LV Look, the author of this email is obviously not fully schooled in all the nuances of tax and immigration law — that much I'll grant you. But who is the author? Is this a respected spokesman who might be taken seriously by the media or by those whose minds aren't made up, or a concerned citizen blowing off steam and preaching to the choir? If it's the former, why don't you give us his/her name so we can evaluate credibility? If it's the latter, why are you wasting your time?

You're supposed to be bright people who know policy. Intellectually speaking shouldn't you be picking on someone your own size?

LV

]]> By: JSchmoetzer http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/07/jose-illegal-is-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-90773 JSchmoetzer Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:32:20 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10732#comment-90773 One could also point to any number of "Joe (and Josie) Legals" who work for cash "under the table." Some do this as their regular employment, while many others make a tidy supplementary living on "side jobs." Further, it's been my experience that those who object most strenuously to "illegals" also see no problem with their neighbor earning some tax-free income. Somehow cheating is among the rights of an American citizen? One could also point to any number of “Joe (and Josie) Legals” who work for cash “under the table.” Some do this as their regular employment, while many others make a tidy supplementary living on “side jobs.” Further, it's been my experience that those who object most strenuously to “illegals” also see no problem with their neighbor earning some tax-free income. Somehow cheating is among the rights of an American citizen?

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