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God's Politics

An Open Letter On Health Care to Conservative Christians in the U.S.

by Brian McLaren 08-11-2009

Dear Friends,

Although today I would not call myself a political or social conservative, I am grateful for my heritage as an evangelical Christian: My faith is rooted in a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ, I honor and seek to live in harmony with the scriptures, and I love to share the good news of God’s love with others. Since my teenage years when I decided to follow Jesus, I have pursued wholehearted discipleship, and my life has been shaped by that commitment. After completing graduate school and teaching college English, I became a church planter and pastor and served in the same congregation for 24 years.

But for almost that many years, I have been growing more and more deeply troubled by the way so many from my heritage in conservative Christianity – in its evangelical, charismatic, and Roman Catholic streams – have allowed themselves to be spiritually formed by various conservative political and economic ideologies. It’s been disturbing to see how many Christians have begun to follow and trust leaders who live more by political/media/ideological codes than by moral/spiritual/biblical ones.

As a result, I sometimes think that Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck, and Fox News may now influence many conservative evangelicals, charismatics, and Catholics more than Billy Graham, Rick Warren, T.D. Jakes, Pope Benedict, or even the four gospels.

Now in a free country, people certainly have the right to choose their ideology. But Christians of all sorts, I think we all can agree, have a special calling – to increasingly harmonize our lives (including our lives as citizens) with the teaching and example of Jesus. My concern is that many of my sisters and brothers, without realizing it, have begun seeing Jesus and the faith through the lens of a neo-conservative political framework, thus reducing their vision of Jesus and his essential message of the kingdom of God. As a result, too many of us are becoming more and more zealous conservatives, but less and less Christ-like Christians, and many don’t seem to notice the difference.

Thankfully, many Christian leaders are far more thoughtful and nuanced in their integration of faith and public life. They don’t jump on talk-radio’s latest conspiracy theory bandwagons, nor do they buy flippant talk of “death panels” or inappropriate comparisons to Hitler and so on. But still, so many of them remain silent about what’s going on, and thereby grant it tacit approval.

I too was silent for a long time during my years as a pastor. But during the lead-up to the Iraq War, as I saw how little discernment was being exercised regarding the moral logic of pre-emptive war, I began taking risks that I hadn’t taken before. I was similarly moved to speak out when, in the aftermath of Abu Ghraib, relatively few Christians in America took a stand against torture. (In fact, according to survey data, Southern white evangelicals were the group most likely to support doing unto others as they would never want done to themselves.) And when I heard Christians (mis)using the Bible to argue against environmental responsibility, again, I could not be silent.

Now, in the debate about health care, I am similarly disheartened to see the relative silence of thoughtful Christian voices as counterpoint to the predictable rhetoric of the more reactive voices. Over the last few weeks, I’ve been getting mass e-mails and Web links from evangelical and charismatic organizations that present frightening and outlandish claims about what President Obama is planning to do regarding health care. I’ve checked into these claims, and in case after case, they are simply false. They’re based on rumors spread by certain dramatic radio and cable-tv personalities, but they are not based in truth.

Again, people are free to disagree humbly and respectfully with their fellow Christians and their government. (As readers of my books know, I take this freedom seriously in my own life). But we Christians, it seems to me, have a high calling – to be radically committed to integrity and civility, even (especially) with those with whom we disagree. God, after all, is merciful, generous, and kind to “the just and the unjust”: How can we not have that same obligation regarding those with whom we disagree? Even if others resort to dirty political tricks and distortion of the truth through exaggeration and fear-mongering, we simply cannot. At the very least, we should be seekers of truth, seekers of wisdom, not consumers (or purveyors) of propaganda – even if it comes from members of our own political party and people who quote a lot of Bible verses (often out of context). We have a higher calling.

So, without going into health-care reform specifics (which is still difficult to do, since there are many fast-changing proposals in play and the process of developing a vote-able proposal is far from over), I would simply like to plead with conservative Christians – conservative evangelicals, conservative charismatics, conservative Catholics, and so on – to take a stand for integrity and civility in the health-care debate, alongside and in solidarity with those of us who love Christ just as you do, but do not rally around the conservative political banner.

If you take this stand, you will be heard by your fellow conservatives in ways that some of the rest of us can’t be heard. And lives could be saved as a result of our joint calls for Christian integrity and civility: We’ve already seen what happens when people translate religious and ideological passion into violent action. Recalling the words of that great 19th century British conservative Edmund Burke, think of what could happen in the next few years if too many good conservative people sit back and do nothing … while less scrupulous and more desperate conservative people whip their followers into a frenzy through fear and inaccurate information.

I will continue to speak out on these issues as I have done in the past. But I don’t expect the most extreme Christian conservatives to listen to me much. Since I was an outspoken supporter of President Obama’s candidacy, and since before that I was equally outspoken against torture, against the invasion of Iraq, for environmental stewardship, etc., many of them have written me off (sometimes with quite spicy language). But if you are a conservative Christian who cares about integrity and civility in communication and debate, perhaps they will still listen to you when you call them to a higher standard. I hope you will take the risk of speaking out with that in mind.

As my friend Jim Wallis recently said so eloquently in his last blog post on health care, we may have honest differences with our fellow Christians on the issue of health care and many other issues too, but even in our differences we can agree that debates should take place in the light of truth and civility, not in the shadows of misrepresentation and prejudice.

Be assured, I am no uncritical supporter of health-care reform. I am no more in favor now of rushing into expensive health-care reform without sufficient debate than I was a few years ago when we rushed into an expensive pre-emptive war without sufficient care and discernment. I’m eager, like many of my conservative friends, to see the kind of reform that encourages small business and entrepreneurship. I’m interested in the kind of reform that reduces the power of both unaccountable mega-corporations and unaccountable government bureaucracy. I’m eager to see the kind of reform that doesn’t pave the way for powerful health insurance companies to do to the public in the next few decades what “too big to fail” Wall Street debt-repackagers did to us over the last few. I’m eager to see the kind of reform that in the long term reduces rather than increases our growing national debt, and that truly helps our poorest neighbors without creating reductions in real service for our more prosperous neighbors.

Getting the kind of reform we need won’t be easy, especially with so many powerful interests spending huge amounts of money to achieve their own ends, with too little concern for justice, the common good … or the truth. That’s why, for there to be the kind of debate that produces good results, we who call ourselves Christians –  conservative or otherwise –  need to stand for full integrity in communication, whatever our political leanings. We need to be sure that the best arguments on both sides are heard … not being satisfied to compare “our” best with “their” worst, as unscrupulous politicians and media personalities so often like to do, and not reducing the views of others to absurdity, even if we disagree with them vehemently.

The moral authority of Christians has been severely compromised in our culture in recent years. The most serious kinds of sexual scandals have rocked the Catholic, evangelical, and charismatic communities, not to mention financial scandals, ugly denominational lawsuits, and high-profile divisions. Studies have shown that some kinds of Christians are not only more likely to support torture – they are also more likely to hold racist views, to engage in domestic violence, and to end their marriages in divorce. No wonder young people are turned off as never before to a hypocritical face of Christianity that radiates shame, anger, and judgment rather than grace, love, and truth.

Even if we disagree on health-care reform and other political issues, I hope we can agree that it is time for us to start walking – and talking – more worthy of the calling to which we have been called, to use Paul’s words, to speak the truth, and to do so always in love. Or as James said, we must remember in this fire-prone political climate that the tongue can set off tiny rhetorical sparks that create huge flames of unimagined and unintended destruction. It can spread a false wisdom that sounds good on the surface, but beneath the surface is driven not by love but by bitter envy and selfish ambition. In contrast, he said (3:13 ff),

The wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise of harvest of righteousness.

Wise and needed words to guide us in the weeks and months ahead as health-care reform is debated for better or for worse. May both the debate and the outcome bring us to a better place.

By the way, if you’d like to do some fact-checking about the health-care debate, here are some faith-based sources that I believe can be trusted to avoid uncritical and inaccurate reporting about health care. I understand they will be offering correctives to rumors and misinformation in the months ahead.

http://blog.faithinpubliclife.org/
http://www.sojo.net
http://www.catholicsinalliance.org/

Brian McLarenBrian McLaren (brianmclaren.net) is a speaker and author, most recently of Everything Must Change and Finding Our Way Again.

To learn more about health-care reform, click here to visit Sojourners’ Health-Care Resources Web page.

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  • The government interference in healthcare will not solve problems long term. Just like Social Security and Medicare this programs will suffer from not having enough financial resources, funded through tax dollars, to support the program and the inevitable cuts will come. A better solution is to allow faith-based and community-based health clinics to care for their own citizens within the community. Government grant funding could help these ministries and non-profits but these clinics are most effective when they are supported with local funds by individual contributors and local foundation grants.

    In my work with Here-4-You Christian Grant Consulting I meet ministries striving to provide healthcare services, healthcare sharing programs, free clinics, pregnancy centers, and other health related organizations. It is predicted that these programs will be harmed or even shut down by “healthcare reform.” The Christian and faith-based organizations are most concerned as to how new regulations may interfere with their missions.
  • HCMT
    Help out this debate. Liberals are overwhelming: Should Americans have equal access to health care? Good or Bad?. – What do you think? http://budurl.com/publichealthcare
  • jhope
    How refreshing to read your letter! I was feeling like the only evangelical who found my brothers and sisters following the beliefs of Rush and Beck rather than their own true Christianity.
  • kevangelina
    I will not endorse death!
    Even in case of rape, incest or whatever..........
    I will defend life....I don't think I would have endorsed Hitler either, I would love him as my neighbor and pray for him, but ultimate life is the Priority here.
    Only GOD decides that!
  • wednesday4
    Jesus would spend his time loving and listening to the people that he doesn't agree with instead of arguing with them.
  • myfanwy
    I have never heard of Mr McLaren before now--but I totally got what he was saying. Perhaps the people who missed it just didn't want to hear it because they dislike him already--which kind of underscores his point about our need for improvement in this area.
  • myfanwy
    I know that I have seen an AARP ad with a supportive message on health reform in general. Perhaps that is what the president meant. I'm sorry to disagree, but most of the wildly ridiculous fables about the content of the healthcare bills under construction has come from the conservative side, and has been repeated by elected representatives who darn well know what they are saying is a lie and say it anyway.
  • myfanwy
    I agree. I couldn't even understand the first group of posts. They are mostly incoherent and don't even seem to address the essay we are supposed to be discussing. I am so sad and tired of this hatefulness. I would be ashamed to have any of my non-Christian friends read this discussion so. This has nothing to do with the Jesus I love, who teaches and molds people with incredible gentleness. It sounds more like angry people trying to sanctify their own far-from-Godlike predjudice by slapping on a label that reads "Holy."
  • ellie46
    Such anger. You may have been reading - but you weren't listening - you were just waiting to talk. I don't have strong opinions - but I can tell when someone has love in their heart and someone else is dangerous and toxic. By the way, someone sent a button with Hitler's picture on it. The caption said "Hitler gave wonferful speeches too', Nancy didn't sent it.
  • Jackafuss
    The Chairman of Whole Foods has some good ideas. They were presented in a
    Wall Street Journal article on August 11. Here is a link.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702...

    Jack
    <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702...>
    ...the spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to
    pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes...Romans 8:26
  • Despite your denials, apartheid certainly was of the "right." For openers, it
    was inspired by Nazism, which started as a counterweight to Marxism (the first
    people Hitler had killed in Germany were the Communists); the extremist
    Afrikaner Resistance Movement had as its symbol a three-pronged swastika, and
    I understand that many members of the National Party, which was the heart of
    the apartheid government, were educated in Nazi Germany. Going further,
    conservative evangelical media were unanimously in support of the apartheid
    government, with Jerry Falwell very open about that and Jimmy Swaggart saying
    that he "didn't see any problems" when he went to South Africa. It's the
    right which created the "racial politics" game; heck, if you ever read MLK Jr.
    in context you'd also call him a leftist radical playing racial
    politics, based on what you've posted here.

    BTW, where you go wrong is in equating the "right" to libertarianism. For
    openers, the latter never existed in Europe and still does not, as "statism"
    is part of the political culture. On the other hand, in this country the
    right uses libertarianism to take away rights, choices and freedoms from those
    whom it feels are beneath them. That's at bottom what this whole health-care
    debate is about; "big government" and "socialism" are just excuses for wanting
    to make people suffer. And you're going to tell me that God is in favor of
    that?

    Where you also go wrong is equating the Christian gospel to such right-wing
    politics, and that's where you are being deceived. You are certainly
    entitled to your own opinion, but here you've tried to force them on us and I
    for one will resist. There's a reason why 90 percent of African-Americans,
    including evangelicals, vote Democratic, and it's not just because of
    "welfare" or "racial grievances." Rather, as I just mentioned, conservatives
    have this entitlement mentality and think themselves superior to everyone else
    -- basically using God to establish their own authority -- and the true and
    living God will not put up with that. Why do you think God allowed Barack
    Obama, and before him Bill Clinton, to become president? In part to
    demonstrate the idolatry of the right.
  • Despite your denials, apartheid certainly was of the "right." For openers, it
    was inspired by Nazism, which started as a counterweight to Marxism (the first
    people Hitler had killed in Germany were the Communists); the extremist
    Afrikaner Resistance Movement had as its symbol a three-pronged swastika, and
    I understand that many members of the National Party, which was the heart of
    the apartheid government, were educated in Nazi Germany. Going further,
    conservative evangelical media were unanimously in support of the apartheid
    government, with Jerry Falwell very open about that and Jimmy Swaggart saying
    that he "didn't see any problems" when he went to South Africa. It's the
    right which created the "racial politics" game; heck, if you ever read MLK Jr.
    in context you'd also call him a leftist radical playing racial
    politics, based on what you've posted here.

    BTW, where you go wrong is in equating the "right" to libertarianism. For
    openers, the latter never existed in Europe and still does not, as "statism"
    is part of the political culture. On the other hand, in this country the
    right uses libertarianism to take away rights, choices and freedoms from those
    whom it feels are beneath them. That's at bottom what this whole health-care
    debate is about; "big government" and "socialism" are just excuses for wanting
    to make people suffer. And you're going to tell me that God is in favor of
    that?

    Where you also go wrong is equating the Christian gospel to such right-wing
    politics, and that's where you are being deceived. You are certainly
    entitled to your own opinion, but here you've tried to force them on us and I
    for one will resist. There's a reason why 90 percent of African-Americans,
    including evangelicals, vote Democratic, and it's not just because of
    "welfare" or "racial grievances." Rather, as I just mentioned, conservatives
    have this entitlement mentality and think themselves superior to everyone else
    -- basically using God to establish their own authority -- and the true and
    living God will not put up with that. Why do you think God allowed Barack
    Obama, and before him Bill Clinton, to become president? In part to
    demonstrate the idolatry of the right.
  • Despite your denials, apartheid certainly was of the "right." For openers, it
    was inspired by Nazism, which started as a counterweight to Marxism (the first
    people Hitler had killed in Germany were the Communists); the extremist
    Afrikaner Resistance Movement had as its symbol a three-pronged swastika, and
    I understand that many members of the National Party, which was the heart of
    the apartheid government, were educated in Nazi Germany. Going further,
    conservative evangelical media were unanimously in support of the apartheid
    government, with Jerry Falwell very open about that and Jimmy Swaggart saying
    that he "didn't see any problems" when he went to South Africa. It's the
    right which created the "racial politics" game; heck, if you ever read MLK Jr.
    in context you'd also call him a leftist radical playing racial
    politics, based on what you've posted here.

    BTW, where you go wrong is in equating the "right" to libertarianism. For
    openers, the latter never existed in Europe and still does not, as "statism"
    is part of the political culture. On the other hand, in this country the
    right uses libertarianism to take away rights, choices and freedoms from those
    whom it feels are beneath them. That's at bottom what this whole health-care
    debate is about; "big government" and "socialism" are just excuses for wanting
    to make people suffer. And you're going to tell me that God is in favor of
    that?

    Where you also go wrong is equating the Christian gospel to such right-wing
    politics, and that's where you are being deceived. You are certainly
    entitled to your own opinion, but here you've tried to force them on us and I
    for one will resist. There's a reason why 90 percent of African-Americans,
    including evangelicals, vote Democratic, and it's not just because of
    "welfare" or "racial grievances." Rather, as I just mentioned, conservatives
    have this entitlement mentality and think themselves superior to everyone else
    -- basically using God to establish their own authority -- and the true and
    living God will not put up with that. Why do you think God allowed Barack
    Obama, and before him Bill Clinton, to become president? In part to
    demonstrate the idolatry of the right.
  • Despite your denials, apartheid certainly was of the "right." For openers, it
    was inspired by Nazism, which started as a counterweight to Marxism (the first
    people Hitler had killed in Germany were the Communists); the extremist
    Afrikaner Resistance Movement had as its symbol a three-pronged swastika, and
    I understand that many members of the National Party, which was the heart of
    the apartheid government, were educated in Nazi Germany. Going further,
    conservative evangelical media were unanimously in support of the apartheid
    government, with Jerry Falwell very open about that and Jimmy Swaggart saying
    that he "didn't see any problems" when he went to South Africa. It's the
    right which created the "racial politics" game; heck, if you ever read MLK Jr.
    in context you'd also call him a leftist radical playing racial
    politics, based on what you've posted here.

    BTW, where you go wrong is in equating the "right" to libertarianism. For
    openers, the latter never existed in Europe and still does not, as "statism"
    is part of the political culture. On the other hand, in this country the
    right uses libertarianism to take away rights, choices and freedoms from those
    whom it feels are beneath them. That's at bottom what this whole health-care
    debate is about; "big government" and "socialism" are just excuses for wanting
    to make people suffer. And you're going to tell me that God is in favor of
    that?

    Where you also go wrong is equating the Christian gospel to such right-wing
    politics, and that's where you are being deceived. You are certainly
    entitled to your own opinion, but here you've tried to force them on us and I
    for one will resist. There's a reason why 90 percent of African-Americans,
    including evangelicals, vote Democratic, and it's not just because of
    "welfare" or "racial grievances." Rather, as I just mentioned, conservatives
    have this entitlement mentality and think themselves superior to everyone else
    -- basically using God to establish their own authority -- and the true and
    living God will not put up with that. Why do you think God allowed Barack
    Obama, and before him Bill Clinton, to become president? In part to
    demonstrate the idolatry of the right.
  • Despite your denials, apartheid certainly was of the "right." For openers, it
    was inspired by Nazism, which started as a counterweight to Marxism (the first
    people Hitler had killed in Germany were the Communists); the extremist
    Afrikaner Resistance Movement had as its symbol a three-pronged swastika, and
    I understand that many members of the National Party, which was the heart of
    the apartheid government, were educated in Nazi Germany. Going further,
    conservative evangelical media were unanimously in support of the apartheid
    government, with Jerry Falwell very open about that and Jimmy Swaggart saying
    that he "didn't see any problems" when he went to South Africa. It's the
    right which created the "racial politics" game; heck, if you ever read MLK Jr.
    in context you'd also call him a leftist radical playing racial
    politics, based on what you've posted here.

    BTW, where you go wrong is in equating the "right" to libertarianism. For
    openers, the latter never existed in Europe and still does not, as "statism"
    is part of the political culture. On the other hand, in this country the
    right uses libertarianism to take away rights, choices and freedoms from those
    whom it feels are beneath them. That's at bottom what this whole health-care
    debate is about; "big government" and "socialism" are just excuses for wanting
    to make people suffer. And you're going to tell me that God is in favor of
    that?

    Where you also go wrong is equating the Christian gospel to such right-wing
    politics, and that's where you are being deceived. You are certainly
    entitled to your own opinion, but here you've tried to force them on us and I
    for one will resist. There's a reason why 90 percent of African-Americans,
    including evangelicals, vote Democratic, and it's not just because of
    "welfare" or "racial grievances." Rather, as I just mentioned, conservatives
    have this entitlement mentality and think themselves superior to everyone else
    -- basically using God to establish their own authority -- and the true and
    living God will not put up with that. Why do you think God allowed Barack
    Obama, and before him Bill Clinton, to become president? In part to
    demonstrate the idolatry of the right.
  • Despite your denials, apartheid certainly was of the "right." For openers, it
    was inspired by Nazism, which started as a counterweight to Marxism (the first
    people Hitler had killed in Germany were the Communists); the extremist
    Afrikaner Resistance Movement had as its symbol a three-pronged swastika, and
    I understand that many members of the National Party, which was the heart of
    the apartheid government, were educated in Nazi Germany. Going further,
    conservative evangelical media were unanimously in support of the apartheid
    government, with Jerry Falwell very open about that and Jimmy Swaggart saying
    that he "didn't see any problems" when he went to South Africa. It's the
    right which created the "racial politics" game; heck, if you ever read MLK Jr.
    in context you'd also call him a leftist radical playing racial
    politics, based on what you've posted here.

    BTW, where you go wrong is in equating the "right" to libertarianism. For
    openers, the latter never existed in Europe and still does not, as "statism"
    is part of the political culture. On the other hand, in this country the
    right uses libertarianism to take away rights, choices and freedoms from those
    whom it feels are beneath them. That's at bottom what this whole health-care
    debate is about; "big government" and "socialism" are just excuses for wanting
    to make people suffer. And you're going to tell me that God is in favor of
    that?

    Where you also go wrong is equating the Christian gospel to such right-wing
    politics, and that's where you are being deceived. You are certainly
    entitled to your own opinion, but here you've tried to force them on us and I
    for one will resist. There's a reason why 90 percent of African-Americans,
    including evangelicals, vote Democratic, and it's not just because of
    "welfare" or "racial grievances." Rather, as I just mentioned, conservatives
    have this entitlement mentality and think themselves superior to everyone else
    -- basically using God to establish their own authority -- and the true and
    living God will not put up with that. Why do you think God allowed Barack
    Obama, and before him Bill Clinton, to become president? In part to
    demonstrate the idolatry of the right.
  • Despite your denials, apartheid certainly was of the "right." For openers, it
    was inspired by Nazism, which started as a counterweight to Marxism (the first
    people Hitler had killed in Germany were the Communists); the extremist
    Afrikaner Resistance Movement had as its symbol a three-pronged swastika, and
    I understand that many members of the National Party, which was the heart of
    the apartheid government, were educated in Nazi Germany. Going further,
    conservative evangelical media were unanimously in support of the apartheid
    government, with Jerry Falwell very open about that and Jimmy Swaggart saying
    that he "didn't see any problems" when he went to South Africa. It's the
    right which created the "racial politics" game; heck, if you ever read MLK Jr.
    in context you'd also call him a leftist radical playing racial
    politics, based on what you've posted here.

    BTW, where you go wrong is in equating the "right" to libertarianism. For
    openers, the latter never existed in Europe and still does not, as "statism"
    is part of the political culture. On the other hand, in this country the
    right uses libertarianism to take away rights, choices and freedoms from those
    whom it feels are beneath them. That's at bottom what this whole health-care
    debate is about; "big government" and "socialism" are just excuses for wanting
    to make people suffer. And you're going to tell me that God is in favor of
    that?

    Where you also go wrong is equating the Christian gospel to such right-wing
    politics, and that's where you are being deceived. You are certainly
    entitled to your own opinion, but here you've tried to force them on us and I
    for one will resist. There's a reason why 90 percent of African-Americans,
    including evangelicals, vote Democratic, and it's not just because of
    "welfare" or "racial grievances." Rather, as I just mentioned, conservatives
    have this entitlement mentality and think themselves superior to everyone else
    -- basically using God to establish their own authority -- and the true and
    living God will not put up with that. Why do you think God allowed Barack
    Obama, and before him Bill Clinton, to become president? In part to
    demonstrate the idolatry of the right.
  • Apartheid is not "RIGHT".
    Actually, the left separates all manner of people now
    and disrininates based upon the color of one's skin..
    Sotomaor in New Haven and Obama in Cambridge and
    the Chicago Politics that is now in the White House
    is racial politics.

    Nazism WAS statism, and tha IS the LEFT, and all will
    be the poorer for it.

    FOXFIRE and other efforts in South Africa were NOT left.
    They were the ones that paved the way for change.
    Change in South Africa has not been as productive as
    it could have been.

    Your jounralist friend is ignoring all statistics and reports
    I have seen from various vantage points. However, facts
    matter little to you.

    Your absurd other note shows PRECISELY what this blog
    is not productive. Aways listen closely to what people accuse
    you of That is what THEY are doing Your posts to others
    clearly show a non-Christ-cenered way of thinking.
    The clear teaching of Christ are my doctrine, and God
    dictated that we follow that. I don't take cues from left
    or right but from those who say what is consistent with the
    prinipals of he word of God. Your doctrine is based upon
    those cues and is slave to them and changes with the wind.
    I have a 55 year track record with all types of people
    ncluding Africans, Indians, Pakistani's ,Hispanics, Blacks,
    mixed race, and even a few whites. I am holding a meeting
    with an ACORN activist tonight who loves and respects
    God in me. I do not limit my assooiations on any human
    construct. Life is moe than words,. More than that, I have
    55 years with Christ, and that is enough vincidation for me.

    I take abuse from no one unless there is redemption.
    That appear to be a way off here. Perhaps the Holy Spirit
    will get throuh to you some day, as he is he Spirit of Truth,
    and so much of what you say is demonstably false.
    When you cozy up to Christ, your eyes will be open.
    Until then, exchange your venom with those of like
    mind and similarly blinded spirits.

    I am not going to respond further, as it is not being
    productive. Do not bother to write unless God opens
    your eyes. If so, send from a private email so it will
    get through an put on the memo line I AM CHANGED so
    I can spot it if it goes in the spam folder. Meanwhile,
    I am going to intercede daily for you that the eyes of
    your heart will be opened, along with all who are
    similarly deceived. Thank you.
  • Let's see yours.
  • On the contrary -- your heart is very clear to most of us on this blog
    who do not subscribe to your ideology, which we consider short-sighted and
    selfish; after all, that's why this blog exists in the first place. Calling
    your noxious views "objective" frankly represents the type of arrogance that,
    among other things, causes many people to reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
    The conservatives have been lying since the 1960s and subverted Christians
    since the 1970s, and groups like Sojo help to correct the extreme imbalance in
    the Body of Christ. BTW, I too was a "scientific guy" who knew enough to know
    that when the facts don't agree with the theory that you throw out the theory
    -- but also that you don't massage the facts to fit your theory. But you
    already have your mind made up as to what "God's will" is in this matter, so
    you decided to browbeat us with "truth." Well, your dictatorial style does
    not fly here anyway, so perhaps you shouldn't be here.
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