Comments on: An Open Letter On Health Care to Conservative Christians in the U.S. http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/ A Blog by Jim Wallis and Friends Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:42:28 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jeffrey J. Rodman http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-2/#comment-109846 Jeffrey J. Rodman Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:08:52 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-109846 The government interference in healthcare will not solve problems long term. Just like Social Security and Medicare this programs will suffer from not having enough financial resources, funded through tax dollars, to support the program and the inevitable cuts will come. A better solution is to allow faith-based and community-based health clinics to care for their own citizens within the community. Government grant funding could help these ministries and non-profits but these clinics are most effective when they are supported with local funds by individual contributors and local foundation grants.<br><br>In my work with Here-4-You Christian Grant Consulting I meet ministries striving to provide healthcare services, healthcare sharing programs, free clinics, pregnancy centers, and other health related organizations. It is predicted that these programs will be harmed or even shut down by “healthcare reform.” The Christian and faith-based organizations are most concerned as to how new regulations may interfere with their missions. The government interference in healthcare will not solve problems long term. Just like Social Security and Medicare this programs will suffer from not having enough financial resources, funded through tax dollars, to support the program and the inevitable cuts will come. A better solution is to allow faith-based and community-based health clinics to care for their own citizens within the community. Government grant funding could help these ministries and non-profits but these clinics are most effective when they are supported with local funds by individual contributors and local foundation grants.

In my work with Here-4-You Christian Grant Consulting I meet ministries striving to provide healthcare services, healthcare sharing programs, free clinics, pregnancy centers, and other health related organizations. It is predicted that these programs will be harmed or even shut down by “healthcare reform.” The Christian and faith-based organizations are most concerned as to how new regulations may interfere with their missions.

]]> By: Jeffrey J. Rodman http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-105865 Jeffrey J. Rodman Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:08:52 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-105865 The government interference in healthcare will not solve problems long term. Just like Social Security and Medicare this programs will suffer from not having enough financial resources, funded through tax dollars, to support the program and the inevitable cuts will come. A better solution is to allow faith-based and community-based health clinics to care for their own citizens within the community. Government grant funding could help these ministries and non-profits but these clinics are most effective when they are supported with local funds by individual contributors and local foundation grants.<br><br>In my work with Here-4-You Christian Grant Consulting I meet ministries striving to provide healthcare services, healthcare sharing programs, free clinics, pregnancy centers, and other health related organizations. It is predicted that these programs will be harmed or even shut down by “healthcare reform.” The Christian and faith-based organizations are most concerned as to how new regulations may interfere with their missions. The government interference in healthcare will not solve problems long term. Just like Social Security and Medicare this programs will suffer from not having enough financial resources, funded through tax dollars, to support the program and the inevitable cuts will come. A better solution is to allow faith-based and community-based health clinics to care for their own citizens within the community. Government grant funding could help these ministries and non-profits but these clinics are most effective when they are supported with local funds by individual contributors and local foundation grants.

In my work with Here-4-You Christian Grant Consulting I meet ministries striving to provide healthcare services, healthcare sharing programs, free clinics, pregnancy centers, and other health related organizations. It is predicted that these programs will be harmed or even shut down by “healthcare reform.” The Christian and faith-based organizations are most concerned as to how new regulations may interfere with their missions.

]]> By: HCMT http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-105866 HCMT Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:57:37 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-105866 Help out this debate. Liberals are overwhelming: Should Americans have equal access to health care? Good or Bad?. – What do you think? <a href="http://budurl.com/publichealthcare" rel="nofollow">http://budurl.com/publichealthcare</a> Help out this debate. Liberals are overwhelming: Should Americans have equal access to health care? Good or Bad?. – What do you think? http://budurl.com/publichealthcare

]]> By: jhope http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-105867 jhope Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:42:09 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-105867 How refreshing to read your letter! I was feeling like the only evangelical who found my brothers and sisters following the beliefs of Rush and Beck rather than their own true Christianity. How refreshing to read your letter! I was feeling like the only evangelical who found my brothers and sisters following the beliefs of Rush and Beck rather than their own true Christianity.

]]> By: kevangelina http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-105868 kevangelina Sun, 13 Sep 2009 02:02:43 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-105868 I will not endorse death! <br>Even in case of rape, incest or whatever..........<br>I will defend life....I don't think I would have endorsed Hitler either, I would love him as my neighbor and pray for him, but ultimate life is the Priority here.<br>Only GOD decides that! I will not endorse death!
Even in case of rape, incest or whatever……….
I will defend life….I don't think I would have endorsed Hitler either, I would love him as my neighbor and pray for him, but ultimate life is the Priority here.
Only GOD decides that!

]]> By: wednesday4 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91967 wednesday4 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:38:01 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91967 Jesus would spend his time loving and listening to the people that he doesn't agree with instead of arguing with them. Jesus would spend his time loving and listening to the people that he doesn't agree with instead of arguing with them.

]]> By: The thing I secretly want to talk about… « My Blog http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91860 The thing I secretly want to talk about… « My Blog Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:56:10 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91860 [...] I am a Brian McClaren junkie – I read what he writes.  He is one of very few “famed” names that I take what they say as truth.  So it makes sense that I would look for his opinion. [...] [...] I am a Brian McClaren junkie – I read what he writes.  He is one of very few “famed” names that I take what they say as truth.  So it makes sense that I would look for his opinion. [...]

]]> By: myfanwy http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91733 myfanwy Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:05:28 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91733 I agree. I couldn't even understand the first group of posts. They are mostly incoherent and don't even seem to address the essay we are supposed to be discussing. I am so sad and tired of this hatefulness. I would be ashamed to have any of my non-Christian friends read this discussion so. This has nothing to do with the Jesus I love, who teaches and molds people with incredible gentleness. It sounds more like angry people trying to sanctify their own far-from-Godlike predjudice by slapping on a label that reads "Holy." I agree. I couldn't even understand the first group of posts. They are mostly incoherent and don't even seem to address the essay we are supposed to be discussing. I am so sad and tired of this hatefulness. I would be ashamed to have any of my non-Christian friends read this discussion so. This has nothing to do with the Jesus I love, who teaches and molds people with incredible gentleness. It sounds more like angry people trying to sanctify their own far-from-Godlike predjudice by slapping on a label that reads “Holy.”

]]> By: ellie46 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91617 ellie46 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:46:56 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91617 Such anger. You may have been reading - but you weren't listening - you were just waiting to talk. I don't have strong opinions - but I can tell when someone has love in their heart and someone else is dangerous and toxic. By the way, someone sent a button with Hitler's picture on it. The caption said "Hitler gave wonferful speeches too', Nancy didn't sent it. Such anger. You may have been reading – but you weren't listening – you were just waiting to talk. I don't have strong opinions – but I can tell when someone has love in their heart and someone else is dangerous and toxic. By the way, someone sent a button with Hitler's picture on it. The caption said “Hitler gave wonferful speeches too', Nancy didn't sent it.

]]> By: Five Christian Considerations for Health-Care Reform | St. Martin's in the Desert http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91552 Five Christian Considerations for Health-Care Reform | St. Martin's in the Desert Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:40:54 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91552 [...] approach the discussion about health-care reform from the perspective of an urban minister.  I’ve worked with urban core neighbors, [...] [...] approach the discussion about health-care reform from the perspective of an urban minister.  I’ve worked with urban core neighbors, [...]

]]> By: Five Christian Considerations for Health-Care Reform - John Hay Jr. - God’s Politics Blog http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91517 Five Christian Considerations for Health-Care Reform - John Hay Jr. - God’s Politics Blog Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:18:51 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91517 [...] approach the discussion about health-care reform from the perspective of an urban minister.  I’ve worked with urban core neighbors, [...] [...] approach the discussion about health-care reform from the perspective of an urban minister.  I’ve worked with urban core neighbors, [...]

]]> By: When Rush Limbaugh becomes your pope… | b.dub's blogosphere http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91388 When Rush Limbaugh becomes your pope… | b.dub's blogosphere Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:26:48 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91388 [...] and speaker Brian McLaren shares this concern in an open letter to conservative Christians on Sojourner’s Website: I have been growing more and more deeply troubled by the way so many from my heritage in [...] [...] and speaker Brian McLaren shares this concern in an open letter to conservative Christians on Sojourner’s Website: I have been growing more and more deeply troubled by the way so many from my heritage in [...]

]]> By: 1Grace http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91254 1Grace Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:48:21 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91254 I have facts check org and snopes on my favorites list . Use them often to check rumors , Usually have discernment , but sometimes I will be fooled . For political discussions sometimes Fact Cheeck bias comes forth , they sent out a survey that seemed to realize this . I have facts check org and snopes on my favorites list . Use them often to check rumors , Usually have discernment , but sometimes I will be fooled . For political discussions sometimes Fact Cheeck bias comes forth , they sent out a survey that seemed to realize this .

]]> By: billdalton http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91238 billdalton Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:07:21 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91238 Well, well, this is how we get to listen to each other. I would say please go to <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.factcheck.org/</a> and actually check to see what is truth. Please do this in order that we can have a true dialogue regarding health care. Incidently, there are other truths there as well, both for and contrary to our president. May God bless you and yours. Well, well, this is how we get to listen to each other. I would say please go to http://www.factcheck.org/ and actually check to see what is truth. Please do this in order that we can have a true dialogue regarding health care. Incidently, there are other truths there as well, both for and contrary to our president. May God bless you and yours.

]]> By: FullPolitics.com » Blog Archive » Christians on Healthcare Reform http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91191 FullPolitics.com » Blog Archive » Christians on Healthcare Reform Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:26:48 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91191 [...] Rest here. [...] [...] Rest here. [...]

]]> By: Christians on Healthcare Reform – Political Pass http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91182 Christians on Healthcare Reform – Political Pass Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:49:11 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91182 [...] Rest here. [...] [...] Rest here. [...]

]]> By: thesource62 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91148 thesource62 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:12:15 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91148 Brian Mclaren never misses any opportunity to trash Evangelicals, or conservative Christians. He dismisses their preferences, their views & their legacies & shows us repeatedly that his ability to conceptualize can be usually trumped by his own arrogance. His own personal hangups that are left over from his early years have led him to espouse many doctrinally unsound and perhaps heretical positions. I think he needs to grow up spiritually and quit wasting his time bashing other believers under the pretext of a reformist. He is as the emergent church is; reactionary in style without substance, unbiblical and loose in respect of canon, and highly inclined toward vociferous denunciation of those who do not share his love of novelty for its own sake. Brian Mclaren never misses any opportunity to trash Evangelicals, or conservative Christians. He dismisses their preferences, their views & their legacies & shows us repeatedly that his ability to conceptualize can be usually trumped by his own arrogance. His own personal hangups that are left over from his early years have led him to espouse many doctrinally unsound and perhaps heretical positions. I think he needs to grow up spiritually and quit wasting his time bashing other believers under the pretext of a reformist. He is as the emergent church is; reactionary in style without substance, unbiblical and loose in respect of canon, and highly inclined toward vociferous denunciation of those who do not share his love of novelty for its own sake.

]]> By: Health Care Reform and Christians at CurtHarlow.com http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91118 Health Care Reform and Christians at CurtHarlow.com Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:37:39 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91118 [...] for a moment please. Christian author, liberal activist and pastor Brian Mclaren has written An Open Letter to Conservative Christians in the U.S., on Health Care that has me [...] [...] for a moment please. Christian author, liberal activist and pastor Brian Mclaren has written An Open Letter to Conservative Christians in the U.S., on Health Care that has me [...]

]]> By: Eric77 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-91011 Eric77 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:03:06 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-91011 You're right that I'm making an assumption about Obama. He's a pretty competent, intelligent man. I'm assuming that he knows whether or not one of the most influential organizations in Washington has endorsed the bill. Perhaps he's not as competent as I thought though.<br><br>On the other hand, why assume Palin is lying? If Obama is an 8 on the competence scale she's more like a 4. Why not give her the benefit of the doubt you'd give Obama that she doesn't know how to read legislative text is or is confused?<br><br>My larger point is, dishonesty is used on both sides of the political aisle and is unfortunately lacking in this health care debate. Implying this is somehow inherent on the conservative side is lame. You're right that I'm making an assumption about Obama. He's a pretty competent, intelligent man. I'm assuming that he knows whether or not one of the most influential organizations in Washington has endorsed the bill. Perhaps he's not as competent as I thought though.

On the other hand, why assume Palin is lying? If Obama is an 8 on the competence scale she's more like a 4. Why not give her the benefit of the doubt you'd give Obama that she doesn't know how to read legislative text is or is confused?

My larger point is, dishonesty is used on both sides of the political aisle and is unfortunately lacking in this health care debate. Implying this is somehow inherent on the conservative side is lame.

]]> By: McClaren’s Open Letter: A Response « …thorns compose… http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-90999 McClaren’s Open Letter: A Response « …thorns compose… Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:11:31 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=10848#comment-90999 [...] Open Letter: A Response Yesterday, August 11, Brian McClaren released “An Open Letter on Health Care to Conservative Christians in the U.S.”  It may be wise to read this article (click the title, above) as this will be a better lens through [...] [...] Open Letter: A Response Yesterday, August 11, Brian McClaren released “An Open Letter on Health Care to Conservative Christians in the U.S.”  It may be wise to read this article (click the title, above) as this will be a better lens through [...]

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