And if you change, you can NEVER go back to this sort of plan.  A really horrible idea, rather like the pre-existing condition plan which discourages
people with health problems from getting a better job.
Bottom line, IMHO:  The government can't get this sort of thing right AT ALL!
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Now he's doing it again in an interview with a liberal, George Stephanopoulos

Jeff Jacoby: Mandatory insurance: Yes, it's a tax / 9-23-2009
Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:10:32 AM

And if you change, you can NEVER go back to this sort of plan.  A really horrible idea, rather like the pre-existing condition plan which discourages
people with health problems from getting a better job.
Bottom line, IMHO:  The government can't get this sort of thing right AT ALL!
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Now he's doing it again in an interview with a liberal, George Stephanopoulos

Jeff Jacoby: Mandatory insurance: Yes, it's a tax / 9-23-2009
Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:10:32 AM

I do not know your heart but you continue to uphold people who sure have the look of raciscm (read Wallis last article on race), selfishness, (I aint paying no money to help other people), uncaring (if we have a dr. shortage that's because we're helping too many people).

The Democrats were simply sending the message that they will not “allow” naysayers or critics. Do you really think they would've been up in arms like they were had it been a Democrat who yelled “you lie” to Bush? I highly doubt it.

His concern over illegal aliens is a legitimate concern. You are judging his heart by saying that he doesn't want to help them. He is concerned about the implications of covering them.

I wonder… how is it that you think it's okay to judge people's hearts, motives, and minds the way that you do here?

You look at this health care debate with emotion only. I have yet to see anything youve written in which you've faced the realities of this… things like the cost, the probable doctor shortages, and other problematic areas of the proposals.

But I guess until you read the bill and/or stop getting all your info from liberal media, you will just continue to slam anyone in opposition of it as uncaring, unloving, selfish, blah, blah.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/health/15book...

Peace, and be well.

“War does not determine who is right – only who is left.”
- Bertrand Russell

By the way isn't saying “close to half oppose”, the same as saying the majority supports. How is that evidence against popular support? Reminds me of old Wormtongue.

I learned that Medicaid (yes, healthcare provided by the government) paid for prenatal care, and so when I was pregnant with my 2nd child, I made sure that I was within the financial window to get decent care. (and NO, medicaid won't pay for an abortion, even though it certainly would be cheaper for the 'state' now wouldn't it, and hasn't for the 40 year's it's been a government program).

Since you seem to have hot poker stick for people who read Jesus' words literally, let's try this one on for size…

Come and get the kingdom God promised you. That kingdom has been prepared for you since the world was made. You can have this kingdom, because I was hungry and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was alone and away from home, and you invited me into your home. I was without clothes, and you gave me something to wear. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you came to visit me.' “Then the good people will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you alone and away from home and invite you into our home? When did we see you without clothes and give you something to wear? When did we see you sick or in prison and care for you?' “Then the king will answer, 'I tell you the truth. Anything you did for any of my people here, you also did for me….

I wonder what it would be like being your neighbor? I can tell already… If I asked you for a bottle of neosporin, you would say “I am not a socialist” I cannot help you, because to help the poor would be socialism, and I fear socialism worse than hell…

BTW: Cap and trade is the best way to honor the mandate given to us 7000 years ago, to protect the Earth.

Healing the sick? Hmmmm, I think Jesus did that, and on the Sabath. That sick person should have morgaged his house to pay for that medical care, and left Jesus alone.

At NO TIME did Jesus or any OTHER religious person from any tradition say BLESSED ARE THE MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS, for they have my interests at heart…

We rank 37th in the world in healthcare. 75% of all doctors are satisfied that Medicare provides appropriate care for their patients, and although they wished payment was better, they could live with a similar plan for the other 50million citizens in the USA.

President Obama is not perfect. No President is, but whatever happened to at least a minimal lip service to….

1 Peter 2

13. Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

14. Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

15. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16. As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

17. Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

I'm personally against a lot of decisions he's made but the republican side is worse (in my view). I think you will have to agree though that the religious media is probably 95% against Obama and this is one site where there's some “other” side input from a christian perspective. Can you tell me one religious radio or televsion program that isn't extreme right?

If you would read some of Wallis's books he puts plenty of blame on democrats also. Reading his books is what got me interested in this site. Have you read any?

I have noticed though that Jim and just about every blogger here is a total 100% Obama supporter– on board with every single thing he proposes, never questioning any of his policies, words, actions, and also anti Republicans.

And I'm trying to reconcile being Christian with adoring a man so much that you don't question him and you support every single thing he says or does, and I'm having a hard time wtih that… although there are some Christian heroes of mine (sorry… none of them are emergent or liberal or “progressive”) who I rarely ever question… but then they've proven themselves from years and years of ministry, etc. Obama has been President for what… 6 months?

Nope.

“The healthcare systems of this nation exist today. They will exist
tomorrow. Abortion exists today. Abortion will exist tomorrow. They are
related issues. They are not the same issue.”

Okay.

“Conservatives are taking the stance they can't work on healthcare reform
unless in incorporates everything they want on immigration, abortion,
taxation, and God knows what else.”

No they are not. More to the point, this certainly isn't the stance LV is
taking. His stance is that you cannot work with someone to achieve a moral
platform if that person will accept a result that directly contradicts the
platform. This is irrefutable.

A. We can refuse to commit to common moral principles and refuse to govern the nation.
B. We can commit to common moral principles and refuse to govern.
C. We can refuse to commit to common morals and govern based on political battle for power
D. We can commit to common moral principles and govern

If the VA offers female soldiers contraceptions and you morally oppose contraception–do we walk away from the responsibilty of governing the nation's military, foreign policy, and military engagements?

The healthcare systems of this nation exist today. They will exist tomorrow. Abortion exists today. Abortion will exist tomorrow. They are related issues. They are not the same issue.

Conservatives are taking the stance they can't work on healthcare reform unless in incorporates everything they want on immigration, abortion, taxation, and God knows what else.

One might be tempted to think they don't want to govern and that they don't want to commit to any common moral principles

From the party of moral principle and responsibility

Well, if the moral commitment is a bill that will not fund abortions, and the policy expression of that moral commitment is a bill that will fund abortions, isn't his opposition reasonable? If Wallis continues to support a Democratic health plan (which is a foregone conclusion) that funds abortion, isn't it reasonable to conclude that we do not, in reality, share moral ground?