Sure, tks for sharing.

Sure, tks for sharing.

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Human beings have the right to travel to locations where work is available. The artificial barriers set up by the U.S. INS to keep law-abiding people whose goal is work from entering the U.S. in order to pursue these goals is a violation of their natural rights. A reasonable policy of immigration reform (with reasonable screening to keep terrorists and criminals out) would help to bring these natural human rights to people.

I happen to part with many libertarians in that I also see access to health care as a right-to-life issue. So I would support immigration reform that would help people come to this country to work legally if that is their choice. And as for health care reform: these people who come here to work should be included in any health care reform legislation.

Lack of clarity too often means 'obfuscation.' Please clarify.

I presume you do not argue that anyone who can make it to our shores can immediately check into the hospital and have whatever procedures they want done provided free of charge. But you don't say that. So, hard to tell.

I absolutely believe this debate ought be about our health systems and not about immigration and abortion. Republicans and conservatives had those issues on the table when they were in full charge of the government–and dealt with them as they dealt with them.

It is not that the provision of services to illegal immigrants is not critical. It is that the issue is non-governance of immigration. And that doesn't get solved by surrogate legislation. By the time health reform measures kick-in there will be several more Congresses with more than ample opportunity to reform immigration. With Republicans so dedicated now to addressing immigration issues and Democrats equally so–it certainly will happen. )

But alas, welcome to 1984

Bret

Anyway, illegals can get health care at an emergency room if they're willing to take that risk but it's probably for a procedure that went on too long already and could of been handled cheaper-better by earlier diag. etc. I would hardly call that health care though.

On the flip side I did hear that the people with insurance pay about $1k per year to cover the uninsured at emergency rooms. Don't know whether this is true or not. I wonder what the average pay of emergency room works are? Is this where the extremely high costs come from? It seems to me that if emergency rooms were used for less emergency type things that costs wold go down instead. I have a feeling that the drs are making too much money in that capacity.

I'm not necessarily for employer supplied health insurance (I'd like to see insurance entirely separate from employment). I do think that if one hires illlegals knowingly they should be held responsible and that should cover their medical needs. (of course that will never happen). It's a tongue in cheek thing. The illegals should be treated like any employee.

If there is a need for illegals here (to get the work done) than somebody should cover their health insurance. In other words I have no problem covering them if the govt. plan mandates everyone should get coverage. If Wilson's claim was right (illegals would get coverage) it doesn't bother me. Like I said in an earlier post-illegals are human also.

I do agree with your assertion that the employer will just pay the employee less money if some of it has to go for insurance. I had a big argument with my brother-in-law about this same thing when he insisted that the employer paid for half of fica (is that correct?). I insisted that he just paid his employee that much less but my inlaw couldn't see that! No, it comes out of the employer! (he's never been employed in his adult life so sees things very one sided).

If this doesn't make sense don't attack too hard. I do agree the employee is “always” paying.

Do you mean that all employer's should set apart some of someone wages and buy a health insurance policy with it? What if the person would rather just have the money? Do you get it? The employee is always paying, the employer just writes the check to the insurance company instead of you getting it in your take home pay.

The premise that health care is a human right should not extend only to American citizens, or our neighbors to the north and south. It should, by definition, include every human being. So if that's the premise, then travelers from abroad should enjoy their human rights in the United States.