Comments on: Speculating on Obama’s Peace Prize Perspective http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/ A Blog by Jim Wallis and Friends Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:22:45 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jim Wallis: A Nobel Prayer – 5196th Edition | Trends Unltd http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95439 Jim Wallis: A Nobel Prayer – 5196th Edition | Trends Unltd Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:38:38 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95439 [...] Obama was actually appropriately humble in admitting in his statement that he didn’t “deserve” to be in such company. Instead he said that he would accept the honor as “a call to action.” May it be so, I [...] [...] Obama was actually appropriately humble in admitting in his statement that he didn’t “deserve” to be in such company. Instead he said that he would accept the honor as “a call to action.” May it be so, I [...]

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-110532 BlueDeacon Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:27:45 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-110532 You wish it did, because most African-Americans identified with the likes of<br>Nelson Mandela and didn't appreciate that evangelicals didn't want to be<br>bothered with racial justice in that country, either. I also learned in an<br>interview with Hugh Masekela, a trumpet player from South Africa, that black<br>South Africans identified with black Americans; MLK Jr. helped to inspire the<br>"black consciousness" movement in the former. You wish it did, because most African-Americans identified with the likes of
Nelson Mandela and didn't appreciate that evangelicals didn't want to be
bothered with racial justice in that country, either. I also learned in an
interview with Hugh Masekela, a trumpet player from South Africa, that black
South Africans identified with black Americans; MLK Jr. helped to inspire the
“black consciousness” movement in the former.

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95311 BlueDeacon Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:27:45 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95311 You wish it did, because most African-Americans identified with the likes of<br>Nelson Mandela and didn't appreciate that evangelicals didn't want to be<br>bothered with racial justice in that country, either. I also learned in an<br>interview with Hugh Masekela, a trumpet player from South Africa, that black<br>South Africans identified with black Americans; MLK Jr. helped to inspire the<br>"black consciousness" movement in the former. You wish it did, because most African-Americans identified with the likes of
Nelson Mandela and didn't appreciate that evangelicals didn't want to be
bothered with racial justice in that country, either. I also learned in an
interview with Hugh Masekela, a trumpet player from South Africa, that black
South Africans identified with black Americans; MLK Jr. helped to inspire the
“black consciousness” movement in the former.

]]> By: Eric77 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95227 Eric77 Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:18:27 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95227 Whether or not some American conservatives have apologized for supporting apartheid matters as much to your point as whether or not you had cereal for breakfast. Whether or not some American conservatives have apologized for supporting apartheid matters as much to your point as whether or not you had cereal for breakfast.

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95214 BlueDeacon Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:55:59 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95214 It does no such thing. You see, as I mentioned, American conservatives have<br>never apologized for their support of the apartheid regime (or, for that<br>matter, anything else), although South African conservatives eventually did. <br>Apologies are usually required in the reconciliation process, and I know of no<br>American conservative of any import who's even interested in such. It does no such thing. You see, as I mentioned, American conservatives have
never apologized for their support of the apartheid regime (or, for that
matter, anything else), although South African conservatives eventually did.
Apologies are usually required in the reconciliation process, and I know of no
American conservative of any import who's even interested in such.

]]> By: Eric77 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95197 Eric77 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:45:04 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95197 Oh, I thought you'd seen this interview recently. In that case, it buttresses my point even more. An interview with one African man from decades ago is not evidence that Africans today dislike American "conservatives" because of apartheid. Oh, I thought you'd seen this interview recently. In that case, it buttresses my point even more. An interview with one African man from decades ago is not evidence that Africans today dislike American “conservatives” because of apartheid.

]]> By: Jim Wallis: A Nobel Prayer | Obama Biden White House http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95178 Jim Wallis: A Nobel Prayer | Obama Biden White House Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:47:54 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95178 [...] Obama was actually appropriately humble in admitting in his statement that he didn’t “deserve” to be in such company. Instead he said that he would accept the honor as “a call to action.” May it be so, I [...] [...] Obama was actually appropriately humble in admitting in his statement that he didn’t “deserve” to be in such company. Instead he said that he would accept the honor as “a call to action.” May it be so, I [...]

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95130 BlueDeacon Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:27:32 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95130 <I>One African leader's opinion cannot stand in for the opinions of an entire continent of close to a billion people.</I><br><br>The fact that even one spoke out should say volumes -- and this was actually in the 1980s, <I>during</I> apartheid.<br><br><I>And what are the other things Africans hold resentment toward American conservatives for?</I><br><br>Find out for yourself. One African leader's opinion cannot stand in for the opinions of an entire continent of close to a billion people.

The fact that even one spoke out should say volumes — and this was actually in the 1980s, during apartheid.

And what are the other things Africans hold resentment toward American conservatives for?

Find out for yourself.

]]> By: Eric77 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95127 Eric77 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:07:08 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95127 One African leader's opinion cannot stand in for the opinions of an entire continent of close to a billion people. I don't doubt he harbors some resentment from the days of apartheid and that there are others who do so as well. But the idea that Africans in general hold a low opinion of Americans <i>today</i>, conservatives in particular, because of lingering resentment over apartheid is not proved by this.<br><br>And what are the other things Africans hold resentment toward American conservatives for? One African leader's opinion cannot stand in for the opinions of an entire continent of close to a billion people. I don't doubt he harbors some resentment from the days of apartheid and that there are others who do so as well. But the idea that Africans in general hold a low opinion of Americans today, conservatives in particular, because of lingering resentment over apartheid is not proved by this.

And what are the other things Africans hold resentment toward American conservatives for?

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95122 BlueDeacon Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:50:16 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95122 You would be wrong about that. One African leader on "Nightline" complained<br>about "the born-again Christians" in America whom he saw as an impediment to<br>the overthrow of apartheid, and that nearly brought tears to my eyes in shame.<br> And you see, in that part of the world everyone is pretty much informed,<br>which is why they take the franchise seriously -- I don't have the specific<br>details of what you're asking, but it's certainly there. You would be wrong about that. One African leader on “Nightline” complained
about “the born-again Christians” in America whom he saw as an impediment to
the overthrow of apartheid, and that nearly brought tears to my eyes in shame.
And you see, in that part of the world everyone is pretty much informed,
which is why they take the franchise seriously — I don't have the specific
details of what you're asking, but it's certainly there.

]]> By: Eric77 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95121 Eric77 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:42:55 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95121 Just curious, what were the other things Africans held resentment towards American conservatives for? And do they still today? I'd wager that you're projecting a bit here and adopting an ethnocentric view towards Africa (It's all about us! Everyone in the world is focused on us!) I doubt most Africans today even give American "conservatives" or the political debates we have here a second thought. Just curious, what were the other things Africans held resentment towards American conservatives for? And do they still today? I'd wager that you're projecting a bit here and adopting an ethnocentric view towards Africa (It's all about us! Everyone in the world is focused on us!) I doubt most Africans today even give American “conservatives” or the political debates we have here a second thought.

]]> By: COACHEP » Blog Archive » Posts about Iran Nuclear Program as of October 13, 2009 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95117 COACHEP » Blog Archive » Posts about Iran Nuclear Program as of October 13, 2009 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:07:34 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95117 [...] States after months of heightened tensions over its missile and nuclear programs.  [ Read More ] Speculating on Obama’s Peace Prize Perspective - blog.sojo.net 10/12/2009 by Edward Gilbreath10-12-2009 I can’t read the guy’s mind, of [...] [...] States after months of heightened tensions over its missile and nuclear programs.  [ Read More ] Speculating on Obama’s Peace Prize Perspective – blog.sojo.net 10/12/2009 by Edward Gilbreath10-12-2009 I can’t read the guy’s mind, of [...]

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95103 BlueDeacon Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:37:31 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95103 I think the same can safely be said for Africa and Latin America. Let's forget that there was a deep, deep resentment on the part of Africans toward American conservatives for, among other things, their de facto support of apartheid in South Africa. And then of course, our government has been meddling in Latin America for nearly two centuries (see the "Monroe Doctrine"). I think the same can safely be said for Africa and Latin America. Let's forget that there was a deep, deep resentment on the part of Africans toward American conservatives for, among other things, their de facto support of apartheid in South Africa. And then of course, our government has been meddling in Latin America for nearly two centuries (see the “Monroe Doctrine”).

]]> By: xfree9 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95090 xfree9 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:58:04 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95090 The right sure doesn't act like they want peace, though to give them the benefit of the doubt, they simply "attack nonpeace" in order to accomplish peace. Ironic? Of course. But not insincere. The right sure doesn't act like they want peace, though to give them the benefit of the doubt, they simply “attack nonpeace” in order to accomplish peace. Ironic? Of course. But not insincere.

]]> By: letjusticerolldown http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95089 letjusticerolldown Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:53:49 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95089 Not a bit.<br>Just curious.<br>Actually, I guess the consideration would be (re: argument for the Nobel as positive reinforcement)---in a track event, the crowd applauding might actually have an effect--and the crowd might have a rationale for wanting to "join the competition" and back a certain athlete. Some reasons are likely worthy and some not.<br>Personally, it seems worth distingishing cheering during the event and handing out trophies after it is over. Both are good. I think competition committees that hand out the trophies before or during the race show themselves to be quite confused. Not a bit.
Just curious.
Actually, I guess the consideration would be (re: argument for the Nobel as positive reinforcement)—in a track event, the crowd applauding might actually have an effect–and the crowd might have a rationale for wanting to “join the competition” and back a certain athlete. Some reasons are likely worthy and some not.
Personally, it seems worth distingishing cheering during the event and handing out trophies after it is over. Both are good. I think competition committees that hand out the trophies before or during the race show themselves to be quite confused.

]]> By: ando http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95087 ando Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:35:48 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95087 I think some may also find the award elitist. When people say that the world hates George W. Bush, what they really are talking about is Europeans and some Muslim nations. My guess is that not too many surveys have been done of Africans and Latin Americans re: their views on W. The world may love Obama, but I think the hatred of our former president has been exploited by some here with an agenda.<br><br>And yes: IVFO. I think some may also find the award elitist. When people say that the world hates George W. Bush, what they really are talking about is Europeans and some Muslim nations. My guess is that not too many surveys have been done of Africans and Latin Americans re: their views on W. The world may love Obama, but I think the hatred of our former president has been exploited by some here with an agenda.

And yes: IVFO.

]]> By: duhsciple http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95084 duhsciple Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:01:47 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95084 Glad that the President of awaken to news of a surprise Nobel Peace Prize attack rather than a terror attack. You know there are lots of horrible things that can happen. The former "attack" may not be "deserved" and the latter is never justifiable. Meanwhile, let's talk some Isaiah- swords recycled into plowshares-- and a little Micah-- do justice, love mercy, walk humbly. Glad that the President of awaken to news of a surprise Nobel Peace Prize attack rather than a terror attack. You know there are lots of horrible things that can happen. The former “attack” may not be “deserved” and the latter is never justifiable. Meanwhile, let's talk some Isaiah- swords recycled into plowshares– and a little Micah– do justice, love mercy, walk humbly.

]]> By: kansasmennonite http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95083 kansasmennonite Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:46:26 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95083 If it pushes Obama to take a more serious look at peace, I say more power to the committee! If it pushes Obama to take a more serious look at peace, I say more power to the committee!

]]> By: ando http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95082 ando Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:39:39 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95082 Does it matter? Does it matter?

]]> By: letjusticerolldown http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/12/speculating-on-obamas-peace-prize-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-95080 letjusticerolldown Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:22:23 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12427#comment-95080 Absolutely agree.<br><br>I see no reason anyone in nation would have reason to not desire to fulfill on the highest good/calling of the nation.<br><br>Although I would reject any image of there being a "world of innocent purity (or even a Nobel Committee of innocent purity)" out there that simply awaits America to finally be good. Absolutely agree.

I see no reason anyone in nation would have reason to not desire to fulfill on the highest good/calling of the nation.

Although I would reject any image of there being a “world of innocent purity (or even a Nobel Committee of innocent purity)” out there that simply awaits America to finally be good.

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