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	<title>Comments on: The Media&#8217;s Favorite Catholic Culture Warrior</title>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96693</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the nuclear family was never all that viable, at least on a cultural&lt;br&gt;level.  One of the reasons the nuclear family has been falling apart --&lt;br&gt;despite all the hoopla -- is because the nuclear family often shunned support.&lt;br&gt; I&#039;m now beginning to understand the necessity of having older folks (esp.&lt;br&gt;grandparents) around to serve as advisers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And Biblically speaking, at least in the early church, the local assembly&lt;br&gt;essentially BECAME family.  In large part that was because many of the&lt;br&gt;believers had been ostracized from the rest of society, what with the Jews of&lt;br&gt;that day rejecting the claims of Christ and Roman law being subverted.  In&lt;br&gt;fact, they were first called Christians because no one else knew what to call&lt;br&gt;them -- they had come from literally every tribe, race and culture of that&lt;br&gt;day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the nuclear family was never all that viable, at least on a cultural<br />level.  One of the reasons the nuclear family has been falling apart &#8211;<br />despite all the hoopla &#8212; is because the nuclear family often shunned support.<br /> I&#39;m now beginning to understand the necessity of having older folks (esp.<br />grandparents) around to serve as advisers.</p>
<p>And Biblically speaking, at least in the early church, the local assembly<br />essentially BECAME family.  In large part that was because many of the<br />believers had been ostracized from the rest of society, what with the Jews of<br />that day rejecting the claims of Christ and Roman law being subverted.  In<br />fact, they were first called Christians because no one else knew what to call<br />them &#8212; they had come from literally every tribe, race and culture of that<br />day.</p>
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		<title>By: kansasmennonite</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96488</link>
		<dc:creator>kansasmennonite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The individualism is why we can&#039;t get anyting done with healthcare. We can&#039;t get together as a society to acomplish much for the good of all. How sad!</description>
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		<title>By: nuclearferret</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96430</link>
		<dc:creator>nuclearferret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until the &quot;War on Poverty&quot; the nuclear family was also viable.  Now, what&#039;s the point?  You can get more free stuff from the government if you don&#039;t get together, or if you lie about being together.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The local church (or global, for that matter) is a sorry substitute for &quot;family.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until the &#8220;War on Poverty&#8221; the nuclear family was also viable.  Now, what&#39;s the point?  You can get more free stuff from the government if you don&#39;t get together, or if you lie about being together.  </p>
<p>The local church (or global, for that matter) is a sorry substitute for &#8220;family.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96393</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Power breeds bias, but I resent your implication that all conservatives are biased (more than liberals). Any ideology can be used to gain power by those who believe it.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It depends on where you get your information -- and the political right over the years built an institution that disseminates propaganda to dwarf anything that the &quot;liberals,&quot; including the MSM, can come up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Power breeds bias, but I resent your implication that all conservatives are biased (more than liberals). Any ideology can be used to gain power by those who believe it.</i></p>
<p>It depends on where you get your information &#8212; and the political right over the years built an institution that disseminates propaganda to dwarf anything that the &#8220;liberals,&#8221; including the MSM, can come up with.</p>
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		<title>By: WaveTossed</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96392</link>
		<dc:creator>WaveTossed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Including [homosexualty] with multiculturalism, secularism, and Hollywood hedonism is somewhat like comparing apples with rocks.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I couldn&#039;t agree with you more. However, this is a tactic used by those who are obsessed with anti-gay thought in order to attempt to discredit those who don&#039;t agree with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Including [homosexualty] with multiculturalism, secularism, and Hollywood hedonism is somewhat like comparing apples with rocks.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#39;t agree with you more. However, this is a tactic used by those who are obsessed with anti-gay thought in order to attempt to discredit those who don&#39;t agree with them.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96389</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;The problem conservatives have with Hillary&#039;s adage is that it seems to devalue the family unit. Of course community can help a child grow, but it takes a family to raise a child.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Until the 1950s extended family, not the nuclear family, was the cultural norm.  Most Christians don&#039;t realize this because they&#039;re already part of an extended family -- a local church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The problem conservatives have with Hillary&#39;s adage is that it seems to devalue the family unit. Of course community can help a child grow, but it takes a family to raise a child.</i></p>
<p>Until the 1950s extended family, not the nuclear family, was the cultural norm.  Most Christians don&#39;t realize this because they&#39;re already part of an extended family &#8212; a local church.</p>
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		<title>By: scat</title>
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		<dc:creator>scat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesm comparing Media Matters to the KGB is besides the point, and most everyone knows it. Trying to impune a person or organization by demonizing the practice of keeping accurate records is just plain silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesm comparing Media Matters to the KGB is besides the point, and most everyone knows it. Trying to impune a person or organization by demonizing the practice of keeping accurate records is just plain silly.</p>
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		<title>By: MacArthur5</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacArthur5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, to be fair, Media Matters does keep transcripts on file. &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So did the KGB , but that is besides the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, to be fair, Media Matters does keep transcripts on file. &#8220;</p>
<p>So did the KGB , but that is besides the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe_Allen_Doty</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96348</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe_Allen_Doty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homosexuality is a sexual orientation category and it has to do with physiological sexual attraction directed at those of the same gender. Including it with multiculturalism, secularism, and Hollywood hedonism is somewhat like comparing apples with rocks. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some ignorant folks try to lump homosexuality with those categories and they call it &quot;homosexualism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homosexuality is a sexual orientation category and it has to do with physiological sexual attraction directed at those of the same gender. Including it with multiculturalism, secularism, and Hollywood hedonism is somewhat like comparing apples with rocks. </p>
<p>Some ignorant folks try to lump homosexuality with those categories and they call it &#8220;homosexualism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jesdisciple</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96340</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesdisciple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem conservatives have with Hillary&#039;s adage is that it seems to devalue the family unit.  Of course community can help a child grow, but it takes a family to raise a child.  And as Titans pointed out, Hillary&#039;s perceived connections with socialism/communism don&#039;t help.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Individualism: I agree that we need more sense of corporate character, but individualism is also an important ethos.  They must be balanced, but unfortunately I don&#039;t know of any theory which accomplishes this.  Given a choice between the two extremes, I&#039;ll take individualism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem conservatives have with Hillary&#39;s adage is that it seems to devalue the family unit.  Of course community can help a child grow, but it takes a family to raise a child.  And as Titans pointed out, Hillary&#39;s perceived connections with socialism/communism don&#39;t help.</p>
<p>Individualism: I agree that we need more sense of corporate character, but individualism is also an important ethos.  They must be balanced, but unfortunately I don&#39;t know of any theory which accomplishes this.  Given a choice between the two extremes, I&#39;ll take individualism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesdisciple</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96339</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesdisciple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;ideologically conservative American priests and bishops who has tasted political power&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;Power breeds bias, but I resent your implication that all conservatives are biased (more than liberals).  Any ideology can be used to gain power by those who believe it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, as I mentioned in my previous post (see my profile), many conservatives have lost their habit of questioning.  This makes them easy targets for tyrants.  But it still doesn&#039;t follow that all conservative leaders are tyrants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>ideologically conservative American priests and bishops who has tasted political power</i><br />Power breeds bias, but I resent your implication that all conservatives are biased (more than liberals).  Any ideology can be used to gain power by those who believe it.</p>
<p>However, as I mentioned in my previous post (see my profile), many conservatives have lost their habit of questioning.  This makes them easy targets for tyrants.  But it still doesn&#39;t follow that all conservative leaders are tyrants.</p>
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		<title>By: The Media’s Favorite Catholic Culture Warrior &#124; The Just Life</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96310</link>
		<dc:creator>The Media’s Favorite Catholic Culture Warrior &#124; The Just Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Media’s Favorite Catholic Culture Warrior  The Just Life &#124; Oct 26, 2009 &#124; 0 comments [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96307</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, to be fair, Media Matters does keep transcripts on file.  When someone from the right says, &quot;No, I never said that,&quot; MM can pull out something that says, &quot;Yes, you did.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, I honestly don&#039;t believe that Donohue speaks for most Catholics.  He may speak for some ideologically conservative American priests and bishops who has tasted political power, which is another matter.  I think it&#039;s telling that Pope Benedict actually hailed Obama&#039;s election (but not for ideological reasons).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to be fair, Media Matters does keep transcripts on file.  When someone from the right says, &#8220;No, I never said that,&#8221; MM can pull out something that says, &#8220;Yes, you did.&#8221;</p>
<p>That said, I honestly don&#39;t believe that Donohue speaks for most Catholics.  He may speak for some ideologically conservative American priests and bishops who has tasted political power, which is another matter.  I think it&#39;s telling that Pope Benedict actually hailed Obama&#39;s election (but not for ideological reasons).</p>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96296</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;I don&#039;t think the failure to communicate is anything new, but your understanding of the break down of married partners indeed makes sense. The pooh pooh of the village I believe was more against the messenger then the message.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No, it has to do with American&#039;s &quot;rugged individualism,&quot; found even in religion, that is found nowhere else in the world.  We have such a high divorce rate despite our &quot;faith&quot; because we emphasize &quot;personal relationship with God&quot; often at the expense of the corporate.  Our culture is, basically, &quot;tell us what we want to hear and don&#039;t make too many demands on us,&quot; and that doesn&#039;t help matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don&#39;t think the failure to communicate is anything new, but your understanding of the break down of married partners indeed makes sense. The pooh pooh of the village I believe was more against the messenger then the message.</i></p>
<p>No, it has to do with American&#39;s &#8220;rugged individualism,&#8221; found even in religion, that is found nowhere else in the world.  We have such a high divorce rate despite our &#8220;faith&#8221; because we emphasize &#8220;personal relationship with God&#8221; often at the expense of the corporate.  Our culture is, basically, &#8220;tell us what we want to hear and don&#39;t make too many demands on us,&#8221; and that doesn&#39;t help matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Titans1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Titans1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a lot of that has to do with the post-World War II breakdown of community for the sake of affluence and status,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think the failure to communicate  is anything new , but your understanding of the break down of married partners indeed makes sense. The pooh pooh of the village I believe was more against the messenger then the message . &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Strong communities are built by people with strong relationships I believe.  Hillary Clinton is a lighting rod for some  to gather by the river, and the poster child of everything wrong with the concept of government becoming part of your life without first being asked first.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Relationships have a funny way of being mutual desired  for them to be healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a lot of that has to do with the post-World War II breakdown of community for the sake of affluence and status,</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think the failure to communicate  is anything new , but your understanding of the break down of married partners indeed makes sense. The pooh pooh of the village I believe was more against the messenger then the message . </p>
<p>Strong communities are built by people with strong relationships I believe.  Hillary Clinton is a lighting rod for some  to gather by the river, and the poster child of everything wrong with the concept of government becoming part of your life without first being asked first.</p>
<p>Relationships have a funny way of being mutual desired  for them to be healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Titans1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Titans1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If beared false witness I will be judged , but not by you. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank God</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If beared false witness I will be judged , but not by you. </p>
<p>Thank God</p>
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		<title>By: scat</title>
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		<dc:creator>scat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t recall any progressives saying Jesus would not be concerned ab out abortion, marriage, etc. No one said you should not be concerned about abortion, but abortion is not the sole issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t recall any progressives saying Jesus would not be concerned ab out abortion, marriage, etc. No one said you should not be concerned about abortion, but abortion is not the sole issue.</p>
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		<title>By: WaveTossed</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaveTossed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would disagree . Say for chance the poverty associated with single parents . When addressed it use to be made to appear the Christian was degrading people in the secularist press. . Never meant to be , any honest person in their heart knew what even silly Dan Quall mant with Murphy Brown . &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Now its not fun to mock the need for moms and dads sticking together anymore , even whites are effected .&lt;br&gt;I guess that makes secularists get involved .&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please show me where those Christians who don&#039;t agree with Donahue are mocking the need for parents to take care of their children. Please show me concrete evidence that progressive Christians don&#039;t care about sex, rape, divorce, and assault issues.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Otherwise, I will have to assume that you are bearing false witness about progressive Christians. Bearing false witness is a grievious sin which goes against one of the Ten Commandments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would disagree . Say for chance the poverty associated with single parents . When addressed it use to be made to appear the Christian was degrading people in the secularist press. . Never meant to be , any honest person in their heart knew what even silly Dan Quall mant with Murphy Brown . </p>
<p>&#8220;Now its not fun to mock the need for moms and dads sticking together anymore , even whites are effected .<br />I guess that makes secularists get involved .&#8221;</p>
<p>Please show me where those Christians who don&#39;t agree with Donahue are mocking the need for parents to take care of their children. Please show me concrete evidence that progressive Christians don&#39;t care about sex, rape, divorce, and assault issues.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I will have to assume that you are bearing false witness about progressive Christians. Bearing false witness is a grievious sin which goes against one of the Ten Commandments.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not always the problem with divorce.  The real problem, which I know about from personal experience, is that men and women are not taught how to relate to each other on a healthy basis and often don&#039;t know what a healthy partner looks like.  And a lot of that has to do with the post-World War II breakdown of community for the sake of affluence and status, which the &quot;family values&quot; folks won&#039;t touch because it calls their own goals and status into question.  Interestingly enough, many of those same folks pooh-pooh the concept of &quot;it takes a village.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s not always the problem with divorce.  The real problem, which I know about from personal experience, is that men and women are not taught how to relate to each other on a healthy basis and often don&#39;t know what a healthy partner looks like.  And a lot of that has to do with the post-World War II breakdown of community for the sake of affluence and status, which the &#8220;family values&#8221; folks won&#39;t touch because it calls their own goals and status into question.  Interestingly enough, many of those same folks pooh-pooh the concept of &#8220;it takes a village.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RadicalChristianLibrarian</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/23/the-medias-favorite-catholic-culture-warrior/comment-page-1/#comment-96259</link>
		<dc:creator>RadicalChristianLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.sojo.net/?p=12786#comment-96259</guid>
		<description>Completely agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agreed.</p>
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