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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s Wrong with a &#8216;Taxpayer Bill of Rights&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: DJ9791</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/26/whats-wrong-with-a-taxpayer-bill-of-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-111330</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ9791</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While several of you make valid points, I can tell you that here in Colorado TABOR has disproportionately affected the poorest and rural areas, particularly in education, public safety and health care.  Lord_Voldemort and others beat the anti-government drum, with some reason, but offer only the simplistic view which Libertarians and others offer...and no solutions.  Simply throw everything out and we&#039;ll all live happily ever after...too bad if you can&#039;t get a decent paying job or have serious health issues and no way to get insurance.  You made &quot;Poor life choices&quot; and no taxpayer should have to pay to help you. (The quote is from Douglas Bruce, the author and champoin of Colorado&#039;s TABOR).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We don&#039;t believe that any &quot;government&quot; other than that of Our Lord can truly rule the world with righteousness.  Nevertheless, until He comes, we are stuck with what we poor humans can accomplish...and dismissing government&#039;s ability to govern because representative don&#039;t do their jobs, is simplistic, foolish and selfish...much like the elected representatives which TABOR amendments are meant to reign in!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pray for Peace and Dare to Act!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While several of you make valid points, I can tell you that here in Colorado TABOR has disproportionately affected the poorest and rural areas, particularly in education, public safety and health care.  Lord_Voldemort and others beat the anti-government drum, with some reason, but offer only the simplistic view which Libertarians and others offer&#8230;and no solutions.  Simply throw everything out and we&#39;ll all live happily ever after&#8230;too bad if you can&#39;t get a decent paying job or have serious health issues and no way to get insurance.  You made &#8220;Poor life choices&#8221; and no taxpayer should have to pay to help you. (The quote is from Douglas Bruce, the author and champoin of Colorado&#39;s TABOR).</p>
<p>We don&#39;t believe that any &#8220;government&#8221; other than that of Our Lord can truly rule the world with righteousness.  Nevertheless, until He comes, we are stuck with what we poor humans can accomplish&#8230;and dismissing government&#39;s ability to govern because representative don&#39;t do their jobs, is simplistic, foolish and selfish&#8230;much like the elected representatives which TABOR amendments are meant to reign in!</p>
<p>Pray for Peace and Dare to Act!</p>
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		<title>By: DJ9791</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/26/whats-wrong-with-a-taxpayer-bill-of-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-96690</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ9791</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While several of you make valid points, I can tell you that here in Colorado TABOR has disproportionately affected the poorest and rural areas, particularly in education, public safety and health care.  Lord_Voldemort and others beat the anti-government drum, with some reason, but offer only the simplistic view of Libertarians and others offer...and no solutions.  Simply throw everything out and we&#039;ll all live happily ever after...too bad if you can&#039;t get a decent paying job or have serious health issues and no way to get insurance.  You made &quot;Poor life choices&quot; and no taxpayer should have to pay to help you. (The quote is from Douglas Bruce, the author and champoin of Colorado&#039;s TABOR).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We don&#039;t believe that any &quot;government&quot; other than that of Our Lord can truly rule the world with righteousness.  Nevertheless, until He comes, we are stuck with what we poor humans can accomplish...and dismissing government&#039;s ability to govern because representative don&#039;t do their jobs, is simplistic, foolish and selfish...much like the elected representatives which TABOR amendments are meant to reign in!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pray for Peace and Dare to Act!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While several of you make valid points, I can tell you that here in Colorado TABOR has disproportionately affected the poorest and rural areas, particularly in education, public safety and health care.  Lord_Voldemort and others beat the anti-government drum, with some reason, but offer only the simplistic view of Libertarians and others offer&#8230;and no solutions.  Simply throw everything out and we&#39;ll all live happily ever after&#8230;too bad if you can&#39;t get a decent paying job or have serious health issues and no way to get insurance.  You made &#8220;Poor life choices&#8221; and no taxpayer should have to pay to help you. (The quote is from Douglas Bruce, the author and champoin of Colorado&#39;s TABOR).</p>
<p>We don&#39;t believe that any &#8220;government&#8221; other than that of Our Lord can truly rule the world with righteousness.  Nevertheless, until He comes, we are stuck with what we poor humans can accomplish&#8230;and dismissing government&#39;s ability to govern because representative don&#39;t do their jobs, is simplistic, foolish and selfish&#8230;much like the elected representatives which TABOR amendments are meant to reign in!</p>
<p>Pray for Peace and Dare to Act!</p>
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		<title>By: JacobS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JacobS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth noting that TABOR is not up as a constitutional amendment in Maine, it&#039;s only a citizen&#039;s initiative.  The legislature could overturn TABOR before it ever took effect.  That&#039;s one reason I&#039;m not too concerned about it turning into a Colorado-like situation, it will only take a majority in the legislature and the governor&#039;s signature to overturn it.  What it will do, however, is send a message to Augusta that we&#039;re fed up with taxes, and we&#039;re fed up with the state&#039;s frivolous spending on social programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s worth noting that TABOR is not up as a constitutional amendment in Maine, it&#39;s only a citizen&#39;s initiative.  The legislature could overturn TABOR before it ever took effect.  That&#39;s one reason I&#39;m not too concerned about it turning into a Colorado-like situation, it will only take a majority in the legislature and the governor&#39;s signature to overturn it.  What it will do, however, is send a message to Augusta that we&#39;re fed up with taxes, and we&#39;re fed up with the state&#39;s frivolous spending on social programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesdisciple</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/26/whats-wrong-with-a-taxpayer-bill-of-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-96428</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesdisciple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you think you are taxed too much in Maine or Washington, you already have a solution—vote your state representatives out of office.&lt;/i&gt;And get the new ones to repeal the laws that cause the problems which TABOR is supposed to fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you think you are taxed too much in Maine or Washington, you already have a solution—vote your state representatives out of office.</i>And get the new ones to repeal the laws that cause the problems which TABOR is supposed to fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord_Voldemort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord_Voldemort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you probably should give yourself time to see which way the &quot;Government is Good&quot; people turn, but keeping the state in check requires fairly constant monitoring.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;LV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you probably should give yourself time to see which way the &#8220;Government is Good&#8221; people turn, but keeping the state in check requires fairly constant monitoring.</p>
<p>LV</p>
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		<title>By: jon_kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon_kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Colorado resident who grew up on this state and presently serve on the school board of a small rural school district.  Without question TABOR has been and continues to be an unmitigated disaster for Colorado.  It has crushed the states’ transportation infrastructure, disproportionately devastated school districts in less affluent areas of the state, gutted higher education and at present is hurling us toward a fiscal disaster that our state legislature and governor are largely powerless to avert.  TABOR takes away our elected representative’s discretion to govern, budget and tax, leading to political and fiscal gridlock at a time that swift and creative action is demanded.   By removing the ability of elected representatives to effectively govern, TABOR violates one the most basic of our constitutional rights:  that of a republican form of government.  Unless TABOR is repealed--and quickly--Colorado will be in line behind California as the next failed state.  If you think you are taxed too much in Maine or Washington, you already have a solution—vote your state representatives out of office.  A TABOR-like constitutional amendment is not the answer to your concerns—TABOR is a Pandora’s box of unforeseen consequences that will be borne most by those who can least afford them.  The damage it will cause will take a generation or two to repair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Colorado resident who grew up on this state and presently serve on the school board of a small rural school district.  Without question TABOR has been and continues to be an unmitigated disaster for Colorado.  It has crushed the states’ transportation infrastructure, disproportionately devastated school districts in less affluent areas of the state, gutted higher education and at present is hurling us toward a fiscal disaster that our state legislature and governor are largely powerless to avert.  TABOR takes away our elected representative’s discretion to govern, budget and tax, leading to political and fiscal gridlock at a time that swift and creative action is demanded.   By removing the ability of elected representatives to effectively govern, TABOR violates one the most basic of our constitutional rights:  that of a republican form of government.  Unless TABOR is repealed&#8211;and quickly&#8211;Colorado will be in line behind California as the next failed state.  If you think you are taxed too much in Maine or Washington, you already have a solution—vote your state representatives out of office.  A TABOR-like constitutional amendment is not the answer to your concerns—TABOR is a Pandora’s box of unforeseen consequences that will be borne most by those who can least afford them.  The damage it will cause will take a generation or two to repair.</p>
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		<title>By: What’s Wrong with a ‘Taxpayer Bill of Rights’ &#124; The Just Life</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/26/whats-wrong-with-a-taxpayer-bill-of-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-96402</link>
		<dc:creator>What’s Wrong with a ‘Taxpayer Bill of Rights’ &#124; The Just Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pooch</title>
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		<dc:creator>pooch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just amazed Mr. Greenstein wrote an entire article without invoking &quot;the least of these&quot; to justify higher taxes and greater government intervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m just amazed Mr. Greenstein wrote an entire article without invoking &#8220;the least of these&#8221; to justify higher taxes and greater government intervention.</p>
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		<title>By: letjusticerolldown</title>
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		<dc:creator>letjusticerolldown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll give an honest and ignorant response.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Knowing nothing about the Taxpayer Bill of Rights--I&#039;m inclined to support it given this badly argued position.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t know Bob Greenstein. But he is founder and executive of an impressive sounding organization--so I presume he knows what he is talking about.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When citizens take to the streets and experts tell them to sit down and shut-up, without bothering to explain why they are in the streets marching, I go with the citizens. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The citizens aren&#039;t required to be sane. Experts are.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When the citizens appear more reasoned than the expert--I go with the citizens.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i.e. Please write another article explaining what these measures are and what those behind them wish to accomplish; and then take issue with the outcomes or means or whatever you want. I will gladly consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ll give an honest and ignorant response.</p>
<p>Knowing nothing about the Taxpayer Bill of Rights&#8211;I&#39;m inclined to support it given this badly argued position.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t know Bob Greenstein. But he is founder and executive of an impressive sounding organization&#8211;so I presume he knows what he is talking about.</p>
<p>When citizens take to the streets and experts tell them to sit down and shut-up, without bothering to explain why they are in the streets marching, I go with the citizens. </p>
<p>The citizens aren&#39;t required to be sane. Experts are.</p>
<p>When the citizens appear more reasoned than the expert&#8211;I go with the citizens.</p>
<p>i.e. Please write another article explaining what these measures are and what those behind them wish to accomplish; and then take issue with the outcomes or means or whatever you want. I will gladly consider.</p>
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		<title>By: MacArthur5</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacArthur5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a liberal perspective. It is meant to be a promotion of one view with out regards to being fair. You will be deleted or kicked off if you persist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a liberal perspective. It is meant to be a promotion of one view with out regards to being fair. You will be deleted or kicked off if you persist.</p>
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		<title>By: elisiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>elisiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all the FACTS are so nice to have. sojourners should maybe try it once or twice. It would make the discussion much easier to say the least. And more honest and open</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all the FACTS are so nice to have. sojourners should maybe try it once or twice. It would make the discussion much easier to say the least. And more honest and open</p>
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		<title>By: JacobS</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/26/whats-wrong-with-a-taxpayer-bill-of-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-96353</link>
		<dc:creator>JacobS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the only question on the ballot that I still haven&#039;t decided on.  It&#039;s likely to essentially dismantle government by town meeting and I&#039;m not sure I&#039;m in favor of that, but state spending has been out of control for years, and there&#039;s no sign that it will get better.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s also a bit disingenuous to suggest that Maine (I don&#039;t know much about Washington&#039;s law) will be locked into recession level spending.  Spending and taxes can be raised at any time, it will just take an up or down vote from the people.  All the politicians need to do is to convince the voters that the money they&#039;re asking for is necessary, it&#039;s pretty simple.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It could be helpful at the local level as well.  The way it works now is that a few people demand more money for a program or service and they get it; nobody goes to all the meetings just to say that they don&#039;t want any changes.  Requiring the referendum will be an exercise in democratic governance, an improvement over the interest group governance that we have now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the only question on the ballot that I still haven&#39;t decided on.  It&#39;s likely to essentially dismantle government by town meeting and I&#39;m not sure I&#39;m in favor of that, but state spending has been out of control for years, and there&#39;s no sign that it will get better.</p>
<p>It&#39;s also a bit disingenuous to suggest that Maine (I don&#39;t know much about Washington&#39;s law) will be locked into recession level spending.  Spending and taxes can be raised at any time, it will just take an up or down vote from the people.  All the politicians need to do is to convince the voters that the money they&#39;re asking for is necessary, it&#39;s pretty simple.</p>
<p>It could be helpful at the local level as well.  The way it works now is that a few people demand more money for a program or service and they get it; nobody goes to all the meetings just to say that they don&#39;t want any changes.  Requiring the referendum will be an exercise in democratic governance, an improvement over the interest group governance that we have now.</p>
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		<title>By: MacArthur4</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacArthur4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Bob did was leave out the on going problem in Washington State.  We just had a legislature that spent way beyond their means  and disregarded a previous spending cap put on it by the citizenery. The Governor is speaking of raising taxes after promising of not doing so. Our unemployment is almost 10 percent , the tax structure is so regressive our biggest employer has started leaving our state . Boeing.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;93% of Washington state’s NFIB members supported the endorsement of Initiative 1033 – State Director Patrick Connor wrote: “Small businesses are struggling just to keep their doors open. Higher taxes jeopardize their ability to stay in business, let alone add the jobs this state needs to pull itself out of recession. With a looming $117 million workers’ compensation tax hike and Gregoire’s announcement that she is open to additional tax increases, it’s not surprising that small businesses are demanding some restraint.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The worst thing government can do right now is raise taxes because that’ll just make this tough recession last longer. A tax-hike-induced extended recession would hurt the private sector and the public sector.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The most important thing that Initiative 1033 does, especially over the next two years, is it protects taxpayers and our struggling economy by making sure that state, county, and city politicians cannot take more of our money – raise taxes, increase fees, or artificially inflate property valuations – unless voters approve. With I-1033, instead of constantly trying to maximize revenue – taking more of our money – politicians will have to spend their time maximizing the effectiveness of existing revenue. And “more revenue” will only be a last resort and only with voter approval.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Bob did was leave out the on going problem in Washington State.  We just had a legislature that spent way beyond their means  and disregarded a previous spending cap put on it by the citizenery. The Governor is speaking of raising taxes after promising of not doing so. Our unemployment is almost 10 percent , the tax structure is so regressive our biggest employer has started leaving our state . Boeing.  </p>
<p>93% of Washington state’s NFIB members supported the endorsement of Initiative 1033 – State Director Patrick Connor wrote: “Small businesses are struggling just to keep their doors open. Higher taxes jeopardize their ability to stay in business, let alone add the jobs this state needs to pull itself out of recession. With a looming $117 million workers’ compensation tax hike and Gregoire’s announcement that she is open to additional tax increases, it’s not surprising that small businesses are demanding some restraint.”</p>
<p>The worst thing government can do right now is raise taxes because that’ll just make this tough recession last longer. A tax-hike-induced extended recession would hurt the private sector and the public sector.</p>
<p>The most important thing that Initiative 1033 does, especially over the next two years, is it protects taxpayers and our struggling economy by making sure that state, county, and city politicians cannot take more of our money – raise taxes, increase fees, or artificially inflate property valuations – unless voters approve. With I-1033, instead of constantly trying to maximize revenue – taking more of our money – politicians will have to spend their time maximizing the effectiveness of existing revenue. And “more revenue” will only be a last resort and only with voter approval.</p>
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		<title>By: Stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the author fails to prove that limiting the size of government has done any real damage to Coloradans&quot; -- say rather that the author fails to prove it TO YOU.  Various measurements are provided and you pooh-pooh them in turn.  It sounds to me like your mind was already made up and nothing would convice you otherwise.  To focus in on one, you say that &quot;educational quality is only loosely related to raw spending&quot; -- I take you to admit that it is therefore somewhat positively correlated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the author fails to prove that limiting the size of government has done any real damage to Coloradans&#8221; &#8212; say rather that the author fails to prove it TO YOU.  Various measurements are provided and you pooh-pooh them in turn.  It sounds to me like your mind was already made up and nothing would convice you otherwise.  To focus in on one, you say that &#8220;educational quality is only loosely related to raw spending&#8221; &#8212; I take you to admit that it is therefore somewhat positively correlated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesdisciple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesdisciple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the debate over which to prune next should probably begin after each success.</description>
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		<title>By: Jesdisciple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesdisciple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is a new law a better solution than trashing old laws?  Like all the liberal laws, this one uses synthetic means to achieve the desired end.  Being that synthesis is one of my main gripes against liberalism, I fear that this law will only embarrass the free market and invite more liberal laws in its wake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is a new law a better solution than trashing old laws?  Like all the liberal laws, this one uses synthetic means to achieve the desired end.  Being that synthesis is one of my main gripes against liberalism, I fear that this law will only embarrass the free market and invite more liberal laws in its wake.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord_Voldemort</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/26/whats-wrong-with-a-taxpayer-bill-of-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-96329</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord_Voldemort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prop 48 was a tax cut and it led to a longish period of prosperity.  In time (we&#039;re talking decades) the work done by Prop 48 was undermined through the increases of other taxes, which turned California into the basket case it is today.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Moral: it&#039;s not enough to prune the overgrown state once, it needs to be done every 10-15 years at least.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;LV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prop 48 was a tax cut and it led to a longish period of prosperity.  In time (we&#39;re talking decades) the work done by Prop 48 was undermined through the increases of other taxes, which turned California into the basket case it is today.</p>
<p>Moral: it&#39;s not enough to prune the overgrown state once, it needs to be done every 10-15 years at least.</p>
<p>LV</p>
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		<title>By: BlueDeacon</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/26/whats-wrong-with-a-taxpayer-bill-of-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-96325</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueDeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, after over 30 years California is still suffering from the effects of Proposition 48.  But the only thing that mattered was keeping taxes relatively low, never mind the long-term effects; ever since the state has since had problems even setting a budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, after over 30 years California is still suffering from the effects of Proposition 48.  But the only thing that mattered was keeping taxes relatively low, never mind the long-term effects; ever since the state has since had problems even setting a budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord_Voldemort</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/26/whats-wrong-with-a-taxpayer-bill-of-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-96321</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord_Voldemort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the kind of state-centric thinking that leads the left into all sorts of errors.  This entire article is based on the often false presumption that only government can provide services such as education or health care.  And the author never bothers to tell us what &quot;the basics&quot; are.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If one wants to cherry-pick health statistics one can make about any state in the union look like a hellhole.  And &quot;business leaders&quot; is a large enough category that one can find a &quot;business leader&quot; to advocate just about anything.  As for K-12 spending, it&#039;s been known for years that educational quality is only loosely related to raw spending; this factoid is almost meaningless without reference to standardized test scores.  In short, the author fails to prove that limiting the size of government has done any real damage to Coloradans.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;TABOR amendments force governments to set priorities, economize, and keep tax burdens on families and businesses reasonable.  One can argue that the limits they set are arbitrary and severe, but until we get past the naive sort of &quot;There&#039;s No Such Thing As A Bad Government Program&quot; taxpayers cannot be blamed for wanting to resort to TABOR amendments.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;LV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the kind of state-centric thinking that leads the left into all sorts of errors.  This entire article is based on the often false presumption that only government can provide services such as education or health care.  And the author never bothers to tell us what &#8220;the basics&#8221; are.</p>
<p>If one wants to cherry-pick health statistics one can make about any state in the union look like a hellhole.  And &#8220;business leaders&#8221; is a large enough category that one can find a &#8220;business leader&#8221; to advocate just about anything.  As for K-12 spending, it&#39;s been known for years that educational quality is only loosely related to raw spending; this factoid is almost meaningless without reference to standardized test scores.  In short, the author fails to prove that limiting the size of government has done any real damage to Coloradans.</p>
<p>TABOR amendments force governments to set priorities, economize, and keep tax burdens on families and businesses reasonable.  One can argue that the limits they set are arbitrary and severe, but until we get past the naive sort of &#8220;There&#39;s No Such Thing As A Bad Government Program&#8221; taxpayers cannot be blamed for wanting to resort to TABOR amendments.</p>
<p>LV</p>
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