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More Heat than Light: Randall Terry’s ‘Burn in Hell’ Protest

by Chuck Gutenson 10-28-2009

Sometimes the things you read are so outrageous that you simply sit at your desk, unclear how to respond. I had that experience when I read this article:

Anti-abortion activist Randall Terry is calling on people to burn effigies of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid this Halloween, as part of a “Burn in Hell” video contest to protest the health care legislation in Congress.

What I found particularly interesting was this quote:

“If Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid force us to pay for child killing and they die unrepentant, they will burn in hell for this,” Terry said in a telephone interview.

What a remarkably distorted and over-simplified take on a very complicated issue. The problems here run so deep, one hardly knows where to start with response. First, it sweeps under the rug many subtle nuances in favor of inflammatory rhetoric. Of course, Terry’s abandon of anything approaching nuanced and careful treatment of a topic are well known. One wonders why we even take the time to respond. Yet one of the main obstacles to reasoned and civil discourse on health-care reform is the lack of challenge to such ridiculous claims as we see here.

Second, the facile implication of abortion here, without inviting the broader discussion on what current health-care plans allow and how they would be changed under various versions of reform, is highly problematic. What does “abortion neutrality” mean and can it be accomplished? These are reasonable questions to ask and debate. Of course, Terry seems to have no interest in such dialog — easier to toss the rhetorical Molotov cocktail. In the end, discussion is foreclosed, and we are all impoverished.

Finally, though, one wonders: Is Terry willing to be judged by his own standard? By that I mean, is he willing to own the deaths that will be a consequence of a failure to undertake serious health-care reform? If he “forces us” to leave millions upon millions without coverage (and here is the irony, millions upon millions that are disproportionately children!), thus killing many, does he accept that “burning in hell” would be a consequence for him? I doubt it.

Chuck Gutenson is chief operating officer for Sojourners.

Categories: Abortion, Health
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  • I wonder if Terry knows that Reid is an anti-abortion Mormon.
  • WitnessforPeace
    Well, Reid was pro-life in the past. But when a big opportunity for power came by, he appears to have sacrificed his principles. That's sad. About as sad as Terry's rhetoric. May the Lord have mercy on us all.
  • In my observation Mormons tend not to be involved with activist politics; I can't think of one on the Republican side who is.
  • WaveTossed
    Mormons really got very involved in the Proposition 8 question in California. I'd call that "involved in activist politics."

    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/01/opinion...
  • I specifically said that they "tend not to be." By that, I mean it would take a lot for them to do so, and Proposition 8 was one of those exceptions.
  • WaveTossed
    Yep. I guess applying the 14th Amendment (equal protection) to the U.S. Constitution to ALL people would get the Mormon Church riled up.

    I'm not questioning their right to oppose the 14th Amendment for some people. Though perhaps they would like to see the 14th Amendment repealed so that people can be treated without equal protection; instead governments would be allowed to give people different types of protection according to race, gender, nationality, color, etc.

    I'm also not questioning their own religious rights. They can believe what they want. Including believing that African-Americans shouldn't be in pastoral roles in their church, which they used to believe until recently.

    Needless to say, private churches (businesses, agencies) can give whatever unequal protection they wish. It's just that the 14th Amendment prevents government from doing so. As I recall, it was that pesky 14th Amendment that did away with Viriginia's previously-sovereign right to give unequal protection to inter-racial couples.
  • WitnessforPeace
    Thanks for that observation. Mitt Romney is a Mormon, but tries to de-emphasize the fact out of concern for anti-Mormon prejudice, I suppose.
  • WitnessforPeace
    When Mitt Romney's dad, Michigan Governor George Romney, ran for President, the press would hassle him about Mormons and polygamy. When asked “How many wives did your grandfather have, Governor?” he was very well prepared with this comeback: “Enough to keep him away from the neighbors' wives.”
  • kansasmennonite
    Mormon-that's the key?
  • I would think so.
  • LadyJess78
    This kind of hatred, no matter who it is aimed at, only breeds violence. I am always amazed at those willing to incite and encourage violence as a means to end abortion.
  • elisiah
    uhm why was my post taken off. she is trying to place those who disagree with this "reform" with this terry guy. that is my opinion. I dont find this breaking any rules here.
  • It does seem that way sometimes... I do think pure motives are possible for this, although I would have appreciated acknowledgement of the same for those who oppose the reform bill.
  • scat
    I don't intend this to be mean, but using proper punctuation might help. Without it, the meaning of what you write may be lost, and it is just hard to read.
  • WaveTossed
    "[From the article][Perry stated] 'If Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid force us to pay for child killing and they die unrepentant, they will burn in hell for this,' Terry said in a telephone interview."

    "[continuing later on]If he 'forces us' to leave millions upon millions without coverage (and here is the irony, millions upon millions that are disproportionately children!), thus killing many, does he accept that 'burning in hell' would be a consequence for him? I doubt it."

    I also doubt it as well. So is Terry planning on joining the denizens of Hell for failing to stop the deaths of all those who die due to lack of health care access?
  • jonabark
    God is not a torturer. That is a human invention. Life holds much suffering and much joy, the spirit connects us to eternal truth and beauty, but there is no place of eternal torment; it is an invention of priests and politicians. It is a distortion of Jesus message that has produced nothing but fear , slavery and cruelty. God is love. Fear not.
  • DJ9791
    We're continually amazed at the inflammatory rhetoric which passes for commentary these days, on all fronts. We try to ignore folks like Randall Terry because they only serve to disrupt and divide, not enlighten or lead. The health care reform debate has been vastly distorted by a few extremists who don't care about reform, only destroying the process...one wonders what they would do if one of THEIR loved ones was denied basic medical care as happens so often (including my wife) in the current system? Of course, most of these folks who make the most noise are also lining their pockets with the proceeds of hate, and can afford the best of health care, although they'd never admit it...let's face it, hate sells, and never better than right now in America!

    Pray for Peace and Dare to Act!
  • DRJ
    The arrogance of people like Randall Terry never fails to take my breath away. How dare he assume that he knows where someone will spend eternity. Jesus demonstrated His divine mercy when he spoke to the thief when they were both hanging on the cross. We do not know what transpires as a soul makes their way back to their Creator. I, for one, am very grateful that my Lord is more gracious and merciful than Terry and his ilk appear to be.
  • BillyStrain
    Here here.
  • No Gospel there... No Jesus, no Heaven, nothing but a very narrow view of the Law. As mentioned, he could be the target of a pro-healthcare tirade. Or we could accuse him of murdering Democrats in his heart. Even with only that one Commandment, we're all doomed.
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