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		<title>By: governance, the two party system, and lawbreaking in the State of Offense &#171; what is Eikon?</title>
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		<dc:creator>governance, the two party system, and lawbreaking in the State of Offense &#171; what is Eikon?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Continuing an Honest Conversation on Race &#124; The Just Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Continuing an Honest Conversation on Race &#124; The Just Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I want to follow up on yesterday’s post which I believe has broken the record for the longest title in history: “Three General Thoughts on Deadly Vipers, Mike Foster, Jud Wilhite, Soong-Chan Rah, Chuck Norris, ... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris &#34;Jesdisciple&#34;</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/04/three-general-thoughts-on-deadly-vipers-mike-foster-jud-wilhite-soong-chan-rah-chuck-norris-joyluck-club-angry-asian-man-wanna-be-ninjas-and-everyone-else/comment-page-1/#comment-110762</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris &#34;Jesdisciple&#34;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been one other race issue which I found frivolous; incidentally, it was about Hmongs rather than blacks.  The difference is how explicit the racism is.  I have trouble seeing harm in implicit/subtle racism, and even if there is the difficulty in detecting it makes that detection judgemental.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please also read my several responses to the other article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been one other race issue which I found frivolous; incidentally, it was about Hmongs rather than blacks.  The difference is how explicit the racism is.  I have trouble seeing harm in implicit/subtle racism, and even if there is the difficulty in detecting it makes that detection judgemental.</p>
<p>Please also read my several responses to the other article.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesdisciple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesdisciple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been one other race issue which I found frivolous; incidentally, it was about Hmongs rather than blacks.  The difference is how explicit the racism is.  I have trouble seeing harm in implicit/subtle racism, and even if there is the difficulty in detecting it makes that detection judgemental.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please also read my several responses in the other thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been one other race issue which I found frivolous; incidentally, it was about Hmongs rather than blacks.  The difference is how explicit the racism is.  I have trouble seeing harm in implicit/subtle racism, and even if there is the difficulty in detecting it makes that detection judgemental.</p>
<p>Please also read my several responses in the other thread.</p>
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		<title>By: consciouslyfrugal</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Personally, I don&#039;t care if you widen your eyes, or paint your face totally white and bleach your hair.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps it would be possible to contemplate that this isn&#039;t about you and your cares? And that maybe, just maybe, there might be something new to learn as opposed to jumping into the knee-jerk, anti-&quot;PC&quot; stance?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve noticed a couple of other comments from you, Jesdisciple, and it seems you are quite capable of finding compassion for blacks but think that because Asian pop culture is currently accepted, the racism that Asians experience is somehow lesser. Um, uh...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pitting one minority&#039;s experiences against the other is a common practice of those wishing to dismiss charged issues. The problem with that stance, however, is that it&#039;s not relevent. (Not to mention a logical fallacy. Well, it encompasses several logical fallacies, actually.) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are more Asians on the face of this spinning blue ball than any other race, yet the level of social acceptance surrounding offensive stereotypes baffles me. It&#039;s second nature to so many people (my all time favorite? Asian women are more sexually subservient and therefore better wives), and the level of offense taken (as demonstrated by Jesdisciple here) by people when they are called out on their (hopefully unconscious) idiocy is just...oy. Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Personally, I don&#39;t care if you widen your eyes, or paint your face totally white and bleach your hair.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps it would be possible to contemplate that this isn&#39;t about you and your cares? And that maybe, just maybe, there might be something new to learn as opposed to jumping into the knee-jerk, anti-&#8221;PC&#8221; stance?</p>
<p>I&#39;ve noticed a couple of other comments from you, Jesdisciple, and it seems you are quite capable of finding compassion for blacks but think that because Asian pop culture is currently accepted, the racism that Asians experience is somehow lesser. Um, uh&#8230;</p>
<p>Pitting one minority&#39;s experiences against the other is a common practice of those wishing to dismiss charged issues. The problem with that stance, however, is that it&#39;s not relevent. (Not to mention a logical fallacy. Well, it encompasses several logical fallacies, actually.) </p>
<p>There are more Asians on the face of this spinning blue ball than any other race, yet the level of social acceptance surrounding offensive stereotypes baffles me. It&#39;s second nature to so many people (my all time favorite? Asian women are more sexually subservient and therefore better wives), and the level of offense taken (as demonstrated by Jesdisciple here) by people when they are called out on their (hopefully unconscious) idiocy is just&#8230;oy. Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: How White Christians Can Deal with Racial Insensitivity &#124; :: in.a.mirror.dimly ::</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Asian American leaders (Cho and Rah) asked for apologies. Edward Gilbreath also offers clarity and empathy. At first one of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Three General Thoughts on Deadly Vipers, Mike Foster, Jud Wilhite, Soong-Chan Rah, Chuck Norris, Joyluck Club, Angry Asian Man, Wanna-Be Ninjas and Everyone Else &#124; The Just Life</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/04/three-general-thoughts-on-deadly-vipers-mike-foster-jud-wilhite-soong-chan-rah-chuck-norris-joyluck-club-angry-asian-man-wanna-be-ninjas-and-everyone-else/comment-page-1/#comment-96979</link>
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		<title>By: Jesdisciple</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/04/three-general-thoughts-on-deadly-vipers-mike-foster-jud-wilhite-soong-chan-rah-chuck-norris-joyluck-club-angry-asian-man-wanna-be-ninjas-and-everyone-else/comment-page-1/#comment-96967</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesdisciple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t care if you widen your eyes, or paint your face totally white and bleach your hair.  Yes, the media would have over-reacted to a dark-skinned Cyrus.  It&#039;s becoming a fad to do that for everything.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know it&#039;s a touchy subject, but I&#039;m tired of hearing about it.  History is the only reason I don&#039;t call this whining.  But the less common this sort of issue becomes, the more I want to apply that term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#39;t care if you widen your eyes, or paint your face totally white and bleach your hair.  Yes, the media would have over-reacted to a dark-skinned Cyrus.  It&#39;s becoming a fad to do that for everything.</p>
<p>I know it&#39;s a touchy subject, but I&#39;m tired of hearing about it.  History is the only reason I don&#39;t call this whining.  But the less common this sort of issue becomes, the more I want to apply that term.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe_Allen_Doty</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/04/three-general-thoughts-on-deadly-vipers-mike-foster-jud-wilhite-soong-chan-rah-chuck-norris-joyluck-club-angry-asian-man-wanna-be-ninjas-and-everyone-else/comment-page-1/#comment-96953</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe_Allen_Doty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t find &quot;Chuck Norris&quot; mentioned in the text of the Article above. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But, doing some cross-searching here, I saw someone mentioned Norris&#039; 1983 movie, &quot;Lone Wolf McQuade&quot; in in a comment on a blog page on the Deadly Viper blog on Oct. 5. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While I don&#039;t know if his Cherokee Ancestors were put on the Dawes Commission Rolls or if Norris is a member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, I do know that he has become an ultra-conservative in his politics and in his &quot;Christianity.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Norris might claim that he is not a racist; but, he doesn&#039;t approve of equal rights for all under the law of the Constitution of the United States of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#39;t find &#8220;Chuck Norris&#8221; mentioned in the text of the Article above. </p>
<p>But, doing some cross-searching here, I saw someone mentioned Norris&#39; 1983 movie, &#8220;Lone Wolf McQuade&#8221; in in a comment on a blog page on the Deadly Viper blog on Oct. 5. </p>
<p>While I don&#39;t know if his Cherokee Ancestors were put on the Dawes Commission Rolls or if Norris is a member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, I do know that he has become an ultra-conservative in his politics and in his &#8220;Christianity.&#8221; </p>
<p>Norris might claim that he is not a racist; but, he doesn&#39;t approve of equal rights for all under the law of the Constitution of the United States of America.</p>
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		<title>By: Common Loon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Common Loon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Eugene.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While I&#039;m saddened by the circumstances surrounding this whole ordeal, I&#039;m thankful we&#039;re moving toward a place where we can openly discuss these difficult issues instead of casually dismissing caricatures of Asian identity as mere pop culture trivialities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps this conversation will even help us move beyond the paradigm of trading swipes of &quot;racist&quot; vs. &quot;over-reactive.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Eugene.</p>
<p>While I&#39;m saddened by the circumstances surrounding this whole ordeal, I&#39;m thankful we&#39;re moving toward a place where we can openly discuss these difficult issues instead of casually dismissing caricatures of Asian identity as mere pop culture trivialities.</p>
<p>Perhaps this conversation will even help us move beyond the paradigm of trading swipes of &#8220;racist&#8221; vs. &#8220;over-reactive.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: lizdyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>lizdyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eugene - Once again I applaud you for speaking out about this sort of thing (as I did when you spoke out about Miley Cyrus, who I also like - I missed the one about the Spanish Basketball Team).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Today was the first I had heard of this book and as crazy as it sounds I may have missed the offensiveness if it had not been pointed out to me - so thankyou for bringing it to my attention.  I am so glad that you pointed out that you were not calling the authors racists - but you were pointing out how offensive the material was (loud and clear!).  I believe that racism often takes place unknowingly or out of neglect but that we have an obligation to point it out and speak against it whenever we recognize it.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Back when Pres. Obama was being inaugurated I pointed out that a portion of Rev Lowry&#039;s prayer was offensive (i.e.  the rhyme he quoted in which Native Americans were referred to as “red”, Asians “yellow”, and saying that “yellow needed to mellow” and saying white people, in general, are racist).  I pointed out that I was not calling Rev Lowry a racist but that I thought that particular part of his speech was racist and offensive.  I didn&#039;t get much support but I will keep on speaking out against racism in any form that I see or hear it - whether it is intended or not.  I will do it in a civil manner but I will do it.  I appreciate you demonstrating you will do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugene &#8211; Once again I applaud you for speaking out about this sort of thing (as I did when you spoke out about Miley Cyrus, who I also like &#8211; I missed the one about the Spanish Basketball Team).  </p>
<p>Today was the first I had heard of this book and as crazy as it sounds I may have missed the offensiveness if it had not been pointed out to me &#8211; so thankyou for bringing it to my attention.  I am so glad that you pointed out that you were not calling the authors racists &#8211; but you were pointing out how offensive the material was (loud and clear!).  I believe that racism often takes place unknowingly or out of neglect but that we have an obligation to point it out and speak against it whenever we recognize it.  </p>
<p>Back when Pres. Obama was being inaugurated I pointed out that a portion of Rev Lowry&#39;s prayer was offensive (i.e.  the rhyme he quoted in which Native Americans were referred to as “red”, Asians “yellow”, and saying that “yellow needed to mellow” and saying white people, in general, are racist).  I pointed out that I was not calling Rev Lowry a racist but that I thought that particular part of his speech was racist and offensive.  I didn&#39;t get much support but I will keep on speaking out against racism in any form that I see or hear it &#8211; whether it is intended or not.  I will do it in a civil manner but I will do it.  I appreciate you demonstrating you will do the same.</p>
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