Comments on: The Elections You May Not Have Noticed http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/ A Blog by Jim Wallis and Friends Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:22:45 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: owlofminervaatdusk http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-111295 owlofminervaatdusk Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:02:45 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-111295 I completely agree with this post-election analysis---the best one I've heard! What scares me is the paradoxical position that Americans are in: we prudently distrust government, and have learned this disturst from past experiences. Yet we have also learned the hard way that the Siren song of Alan Greenspan and all the other free market ideologues will lead us to utter destruction! Where do we go from here?<br><br>A politics worth caring about is required for survival. We cannot continue to allow Pelosi, Reid, and every other corrupt pol in Washington, DC, to give our corporate bankers and brokerage carte blanche to do as they choose. So far, it looks like that is the longer-range outcome of this recent economic warning. Will we learn during the second and third repeat of this catastrophe that we either must trust in government or allow corporate greed to destroy us all? I completely agree with this post-election analysis—the best one I've heard! What scares me is the paradoxical position that Americans are in: we prudently distrust government, and have learned this disturst from past experiences. Yet we have also learned the hard way that the Siren song of Alan Greenspan and all the other free market ideologues will lead us to utter destruction! Where do we go from here?

A politics worth caring about is required for survival. We cannot continue to allow Pelosi, Reid, and every other corrupt pol in Washington, DC, to give our corporate bankers and brokerage carte blanche to do as they choose. So far, it looks like that is the longer-range outcome of this recent economic warning. Will we learn during the second and third repeat of this catastrophe that we either must trust in government or allow corporate greed to destroy us all?

]]> By: owlofminervaatdusk http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-107583 owlofminervaatdusk Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:02:45 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-107583 I completely agree with this post-election analysis---the best one I've heard! What scares me is the paradoxical position that Americans are in: we prudently distrust government, and have learned this disturst from past experiences. Yet we have also learned the hard way that the Siren song of Alan Greenspan and all the other free market ideologues will lead us to utter destruction! Where do we go from here?<br><br>A politics worth caring about is required for survival. We cannot continue to allow Pelosi, Reid, and every other corrupt pol in Washington, DC, to give our corporate bankers and brokerage carte blanche to do as they choose. So far, it looks like that is the longer-range outcome of this recent economic warning. Will we learn during the second and third repeat of this catastrophe that we either must trust in government or allow corporate greed to destroy us all? I completely agree with this post-election analysis—the best one I've heard! What scares me is the paradoxical position that Americans are in: we prudently distrust government, and have learned this disturst from past experiences. Yet we have also learned the hard way that the Siren song of Alan Greenspan and all the other free market ideologues will lead us to utter destruction! Where do we go from here?

A politics worth caring about is required for survival. We cannot continue to allow Pelosi, Reid, and every other corrupt pol in Washington, DC, to give our corporate bankers and brokerage carte blanche to do as they choose. So far, it looks like that is the longer-range outcome of this recent economic warning. Will we learn during the second and third repeat of this catastrophe that we either must trust in government or allow corporate greed to destroy us all?

]]> By: Wallis: Americans are Sick of DC Politics « Tracking American Evangelical Politics http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97188 Wallis: Americans are Sick of DC Politics « Tracking American Evangelical Politics Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:22:36 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97188 [...] Americans are Sick of DC Politics Posted on November 8, 2009 by siuctaep Commenting on the barely noticed 2010 election Jim Wallis argues Americans are tired of politics which lack a local and personal flavor. [...] [...] Americans are Sick of DC Politics Posted on November 8, 2009 by siuctaep Commenting on the barely noticed 2010 election Jim Wallis argues Americans are tired of politics which lack a local and personal flavor. [...]

]]> By: DHFabian http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-107584 DHFabian Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:44:14 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-107584 My concern is that those with the money also control the message, and thereby control the public discussion. 30 years ago, I couldn't imagine living in a country where we punished people for being homeless, and where basic humanitarian aid would be transferred into paying the tax bills of the rich. I didn't think America would abandon it's poorest. But by controlling the public forum, the impossible happened: We reached the point of believing that a family on under $4,500 per year of AFDC was living in lazy comfort, while the family with four times that income lived in poverty, etc., etc. My concern is that those with the money also control the message, and thereby control the public discussion. 30 years ago, I couldn't imagine living in a country where we punished people for being homeless, and where basic humanitarian aid would be transferred into paying the tax bills of the rich. I didn't think America would abandon it's poorest. But by controlling the public forum, the impossible happened: We reached the point of believing that a family on under $4,500 per year of AFDC was living in lazy comfort, while the family with four times that income lived in poverty, etc., etc.

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-107585 BlueDeacon Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:06:01 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-107585 How do we know, for example, that this isn't actually started by conservatives who lean Republicans? How do we know, for example, that this isn't actually started by conservatives who lean Republicans?

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97187 BlueDeacon Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:03:47 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97187 Cease and desist using my handle. Cease and desist using my handle.

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97165 BlueDeacon Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:13:02 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97165 Sorry you feel that way; however, I have never considered myself a "lefty." And as for being "divisive," MLK Jr. was also considered such in his day, so I guess I should consider that a compliment. Besides, the truly divisive people are -- and for the past 30 years have exclusively been -- on the right because they consistently refuse to work with people who don't agree with them. If that offends you, well ... Sorry you feel that way; however, I have never considered myself a “lefty.” And as for being “divisive,” MLK Jr. was also considered such in his day, so I guess I should consider that a compliment. Besides, the truly divisive people are — and for the past 30 years have exclusively been — on the right because they consistently refuse to work with people who don't agree with them. If that offends you, well …

]]> By: xfree9 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97160 xfree9 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:44:42 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97160 Truth be told, you really can't say any more because you have the mindset that the left is good, the right is bad. So I really hope you do stop saying crap like you do, because your blathering is useless, and divisive, and in the end, and invalid perspective. Truth be told, you really can't say any more because you have the mindset that the left is good, the right is bad. So I really hope you do stop saying crap like you do, because your blathering is useless, and divisive, and in the end, and invalid perspective.

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97158 BlueDeacon Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:37:20 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97158 Irrelevant. And wrong too. In fact, Wallis was, in a way, saying it was a referendum on President Obama. Many young people, independents who usually vote for Republicans, and even some Republicans, were drawn to vote for Obama because they wanted him to change the way Washington works. As Wallis noted, this hasn't happened. Earlier this week, the youth didn't turn out to vote, the Republicans voted with their party and the independents swung back to the GOP. In this case, in truth, Wallis wasn't in the pocket of the Democrats, because the Democratic spokesmen have been saying the exact opposite. Irrelevant. And wrong too. In fact, Wallis was, in a way, saying it was a referendum on President Obama. Many young people, independents who usually vote for Republicans, and even some Republicans, were drawn to vote for Obama because they wanted him to change the way Washington works. As Wallis noted, this hasn't happened. Earlier this week, the youth didn't turn out to vote, the Republicans voted with their party and the independents swung back to the GOP. In this case, in truth, Wallis wasn't in the pocket of the Democrats, because the Democratic spokesmen have been saying the exact opposite.

]]> By: xfree9 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97155 xfree9 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:53:04 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97155 Yeah, thanks for reminding me. The Left is perfect. Yeah, thanks for reminding me. The Left is perfect.

]]> By: The Elections You May Not Have Noticed | The Just Life http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97091 The Elections You May Not Have Noticed | The Just Life Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:20:36 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97091 [...] The Elections You May Not Have Noticed The Just Life | Nov 06, 2009 | 0 comments [...] [...] The Elections You May Not Have Noticed The Just Life | Nov 06, 2009 | 0 comments [...]

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97116 BlueDeacon Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:50:36 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97116 <I>Well, given that Sojourners willingly points out right-wing connections, but deliberately ignores plausible left-wing connections, it's an easy thing to say about Sojourners.</I><br><br>Because, truth be told, there aren't really any. If there were the conservatives themselves would give chapter-and-verse. Well, given that Sojourners willingly points out right-wing connections, but deliberately ignores plausible left-wing connections, it's an easy thing to say about Sojourners.

Because, truth be told, there aren't really any. If there were the conservatives themselves would give chapter-and-verse.

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97115 BlueDeacon Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:48:44 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97115 <I>In the future I DEFINITELY without hesitation will be voting for any and all politicians who REJECT Obama's ideals of government expansion and intrustion!!!!</I><br><br>Last time we did that we ended up with GWB as president. I don't need to say any more. In the future I DEFINITELY without hesitation will be voting for any and all politicians who REJECT Obama's ideals of government expansion and intrustion!!!!

Last time we did that we ended up with GWB as president. I don't need to say any more.

]]> By: xfree9 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97064 xfree9 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:51:22 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97064 Merely "caring" is not sufficient to doing justice. It has to be done in such a way as to not favor one person over another, or give preference to one bloc of people, or use other people's money. Justice must be done within moral boundaries. Merely “caring” is not sufficient to doing justice. It has to be done in such a way as to not favor one person over another, or give preference to one bloc of people, or use other people's money. Justice must be done within moral boundaries.

]]> By: xfree9 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97063 xfree9 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:46:57 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97063 Wow, you pretty much echoed what I had in my head, so I won't need to say it myself... but you're absolutely right. Most people try to wield influence or change by changing the driver, but in fact the entire engine needs to be replaced. Wow, you pretty much echoed what I had in my head, so I won't need to say it myself… but you're absolutely right. Most people try to wield influence or change by changing the driver, but in fact the entire engine needs to be replaced.

]]> By: xfree9 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97062 xfree9 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:44:44 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97062 Well, given that Sojourners willingly points out right-wing connections, but deliberately ignores plausible left-wing connections, it's an easy thing to say about Sojourners. This article doesn't really demonstrate it, but it's easy to observe that conservative-bashing is a favorite pastime of writers on this blog. I don't blame them, of course. But if my wife serves the same meal every night, I'd get a little tired of it. Well, given that Sojourners willingly points out right-wing connections, but deliberately ignores plausible left-wing connections, it's an easy thing to say about Sojourners. This article doesn't really demonstrate it, but it's easy to observe that conservative-bashing is a favorite pastime of writers on this blog. I don't blame them, of course. But if my wife serves the same meal every night, I'd get a little tired of it.

]]> By: uberVU - social comments http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97060 uberVU - social comments Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:32:12 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97060 <strong>Social comments and analytics for this post...</strong> This post was mentioned on Twitter by isepherim: READ- Sojourners: The Elections You May Not Have Noticed by Jim Wallis http://ow.ly/zF1z... Social comments and analytics for this post…

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]]> By: Jesdisciple http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97054 Jesdisciple Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:21:58 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97054 If you're interested, I'd love to link a list of my grievances against the Republican Party. And I'm definitely <b>not</b> a liberal; take a peek at my posts. If you're interested, I'd love to link a list of my grievances against the Republican Party. And I'm definitely not a liberal; take a peek at my posts.

]]> By: jonabark http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97053 jonabark Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:21:13 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97053 dcchap, stfinmich, cindylou2<br>Please point me to the well known "conservative" Christian blog with many writers where I as a progressive can speak my mind freely and criticize the evangelical conservative ideas I don't like. I have asked this of republicans since I first participated here and have never once gotten a reference. It seems that tolerance of differing views is something conservative Christians demand but do not offer. And bias is something that only exists among those you disagree with. <br><br>I disagree with Jim and the sojo writers often and agree just as often , but basically I respect him and them and the work that goes into this blog as a civil conversation with give and take. Jim has earned a voice, and if you have no respect for that voice you really are in the wrong place for the give and take of a meaningful conversation. dcchap, stfinmich, cindylou2
Please point me to the well known “conservative” Christian blog with many writers where I as a progressive can speak my mind freely and criticize the evangelical conservative ideas I don't like. I have asked this of republicans since I first participated here and have never once gotten a reference. It seems that tolerance of differing views is something conservative Christians demand but do not offer. And bias is something that only exists among those you disagree with.

I disagree with Jim and the sojo writers often and agree just as often , but basically I respect him and them and the work that goes into this blog as a civil conversation with give and take. Jim has earned a voice, and if you have no respect for that voice you really are in the wrong place for the give and take of a meaningful conversation.

]]> By: Jesdisciple http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/05/the-elections-you-may-not-have-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-97052 Jesdisciple Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:20:54 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13086#comment-97052 If you're interested, I'd love to link a list of my grievances against the Republican Party. And I'm definitely <b>not</b> a liberal; take a peek at my posts. If you're interested, I'd love to link a list of my grievances against the Republican Party. And I'm definitely not a liberal; take a peek at my posts.

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