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		<title>By: hollysavage</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/beat-the-defense-budget-into-a-plowshare/comment-page-1/#comment-110369</link>
		<dc:creator>hollysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry people, but Shane&#039;s wrong. Justice will never &quot;roll down&quot; if it doesn&#039;t exist in the first place. That is why we need police and the military and those institutions cannot function without monetary support. If we want to save money and get out of this recession, the government needs to cut, cut, cut jobs and programs in worthless branches like the Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Indian Affairs, and the Department of the Interior (among others). I say &quot;worthless&quot; because government proves daily that it should not be in charge of those aspects of society at the federal level because of how incompetent and politically correct the decisions (especially for spending) are. By letting we the people take care of those aspects of society through local/state governments and the private sector. We need to take responsibility for oursevles.&lt;br&gt;Besides, the social gospel is not biblical and Shane uses the &quot;plowshare&quot; thing so much it&#039;s become a cliche. Decreasing our defense spending is exactly what the terrorists would like us to do and I would rather not have another September 11. How soon we forget. Defense spending is meant to help save the lives of Americans and support our soldiers (the governments real job), which it does, and the idea that such spending supports mass killing all over the world is extremely ignorant and sad. Freedom is not free and our soldiers are heroes for protecting that which we take for granted, including the freedom to call them murderers/killers. God is loving and just. If we fail to be both, we will self-destruct and help no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry people, but Shane&#39;s wrong. Justice will never &#8220;roll down&#8221; if it doesn&#39;t exist in the first place. That is why we need police and the military and those institutions cannot function without monetary support. If we want to save money and get out of this recession, the government needs to cut, cut, cut jobs and programs in worthless branches like the Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Indian Affairs, and the Department of the Interior (among others). I say &#8220;worthless&#8221; because government proves daily that it should not be in charge of those aspects of society at the federal level because of how incompetent and politically correct the decisions (especially for spending) are. By letting we the people take care of those aspects of society through local/state governments and the private sector. We need to take responsibility for oursevles.<br />Besides, the social gospel is not biblical and Shane uses the &#8220;plowshare&#8221; thing so much it&#39;s become a cliche. Decreasing our defense spending is exactly what the terrorists would like us to do and I would rather not have another September 11. How soon we forget. Defense spending is meant to help save the lives of Americans and support our soldiers (the governments real job), which it does, and the idea that such spending supports mass killing all over the world is extremely ignorant and sad. Freedom is not free and our soldiers are heroes for protecting that which we take for granted, including the freedom to call them murderers/killers. God is loving and just. If we fail to be both, we will self-destruct and help no one.</p>
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		<title>By: hollysavage</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/beat-the-defense-budget-into-a-plowshare/comment-page-1/#comment-98935</link>
		<dc:creator>hollysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 02:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry people, but Shane&#039;s wrong. Justice will never &quot;roll down&quot; if it doesn&#039;t exist in the first place. That is why we need police and the military and those institutions cannot function without monetary support. If we want to save money and get out of this recession, the government needs to cut, cut, cut jobs and programs in worthless branches like the Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Indian Affairs, and the Department of the Interior (among others). I say &quot;worthless&quot; because government proves daily that it should not be in charge of those aspects of society at the federal level because of how incompetent and politically correct the decisions (especially for spending) are. By letting we the people take care of those aspects of society through local/state governments and the private sector. We need to take responsibility for oursevles.&lt;br&gt;Besides, the social gospel is not biblical and Shane uses the &quot;plowshare&quot; thing so much it&#039;s become a cliche. Decreasing our defense spending is exactly what the terrorists would like us to do and I would rather not have another September 11. How soon we forget. Defense spending is meant to help save the lives of Americans and support our soldiers (the governments real job), which it does, and the idea that such spending supports mass killing all over the world is extremely ignorant and sad. Freedom is not free and our soldiers are heroes for protecting that which we take for granted, including the freedom to call them murderers/killers. God is loving and just. If we fail to be both, we will self-destruct and help no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry people, but Shane&#39;s wrong. Justice will never &#8220;roll down&#8221; if it doesn&#39;t exist in the first place. That is why we need police and the military and those institutions cannot function without monetary support. If we want to save money and get out of this recession, the government needs to cut, cut, cut jobs and programs in worthless branches like the Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Indian Affairs, and the Department of the Interior (among others). I say &#8220;worthless&#8221; because government proves daily that it should not be in charge of those aspects of society at the federal level because of how incompetent and politically correct the decisions (especially for spending) are. By letting we the people take care of those aspects of society through local/state governments and the private sector. We need to take responsibility for oursevles.<br />Besides, the social gospel is not biblical and Shane uses the &#8220;plowshare&#8221; thing so much it&#39;s become a cliche. Decreasing our defense spending is exactly what the terrorists would like us to do and I would rather not have another September 11. How soon we forget. Defense spending is meant to help save the lives of Americans and support our soldiers (the governments real job), which it does, and the idea that such spending supports mass killing all over the world is extremely ignorant and sad. Freedom is not free and our soldiers are heroes for protecting that which we take for granted, including the freedom to call them murderers/killers. God is loving and just. If we fail to be both, we will self-destruct and help no one.</p>
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		<title>By: JOSHUA28</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOSHUA28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SHANE,  KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT FOR JUSTICE, TRUTH AND ULTIMATE JOY ALL IN LOVE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOR. BE CAREFUL TO REMEMBER YOUR OWN WORDS TO ME, THIS WORLD, THIS USA, THIS COUNTRY OF OURS IS A SINKING SHIP, JUST SAVE AS MANY AS YOU CAN AND BE A &quot;CATCHER IN THE RYE&quot; AS WE SPEAK OF. JESUS IS COMING SOON IN THE FLESH AGAIN. REMEMBER WHOM THIS USA SERVERS? MOLOCH, RAY? LUCIFER? WHAT DID SATAN SAY TO JESUS IN THE DESERT? WE ALL KNOW HE OWNS THE KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD, REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT THE FREEMASONS,ILLUMINATI,MAMMON! YOU CAN NOT SERVE BOTH GOD AND MOMMNON (MONEY) THUS SAITH OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. LOVE BUT BE WARY THAT THE DEVIL IS ROAMING CLOSE TO US NOW.. THE WICCA AND SATANISIM OCCULT WHITCHCRAFT IS GROWING STRONGER BY THE DAY. WE ARE LIVING IN THE END TIMES PEOPLE PLEASE OPEN YOUR EARS TO HEAR AND EYES TO SEE THE SPIRITS AND ANGELS ALL AROUND YOU NOW! NOT ALL ARE BAD, NOT ALL ARE GOOD, CLING CLOSE TO THE HOLY SPIRIT AND BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST OH PEOPLE OF THE CHURCH. RE-READ THE BOOK OF REVELATION AND READ THE SIX AND SEVENTH BOOKS OF MOSES LITERALLY LOOK AT THE KEY AND SEALS OF KING SOLOMON AND WHAT DOES THE STAR OF DAVID HAVE TO DO WITH ALEISTER CRLOWLEY ???? I LOVE YOU ALL AND LET US BASK IN THE GLORY THAT IS OUR GOD YAHWEH WHOM ONE AND ONLY SON IS JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH! LET THE PROPHETS COME FORTH AND SPEAK...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SHANE,  KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT FOR JUSTICE, TRUTH AND ULTIMATE JOY ALL IN LOVE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOR. BE CAREFUL TO REMEMBER YOUR OWN WORDS TO ME, THIS WORLD, THIS USA, THIS COUNTRY OF OURS IS A SINKING SHIP, JUST SAVE AS MANY AS YOU CAN AND BE A &#8220;CATCHER IN THE RYE&#8221; AS WE SPEAK OF. JESUS IS COMING SOON IN THE FLESH AGAIN. REMEMBER WHOM THIS USA SERVERS? MOLOCH, RAY? LUCIFER? WHAT DID SATAN SAY TO JESUS IN THE DESERT? WE ALL KNOW HE OWNS THE KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD, REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT THE FREEMASONS,ILLUMINATI,MAMMON! YOU CAN NOT SERVE BOTH GOD AND MOMMNON (MONEY) THUS SAITH OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. LOVE BUT BE WARY THAT THE DEVIL IS ROAMING CLOSE TO US NOW.. THE WICCA AND SATANISIM OCCULT WHITCHCRAFT IS GROWING STRONGER BY THE DAY. WE ARE LIVING IN THE END TIMES PEOPLE PLEASE OPEN YOUR EARS TO HEAR AND EYES TO SEE THE SPIRITS AND ANGELS ALL AROUND YOU NOW! NOT ALL ARE BAD, NOT ALL ARE GOOD, CLING CLOSE TO THE HOLY SPIRIT AND BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST OH PEOPLE OF THE CHURCH. RE-READ THE BOOK OF REVELATION AND READ THE SIX AND SEVENTH BOOKS OF MOSES LITERALLY LOOK AT THE KEY AND SEALS OF KING SOLOMON AND WHAT DOES THE STAR OF DAVID HAVE TO DO WITH ALEISTER CRLOWLEY ???? I LOVE YOU ALL AND LET US BASK IN THE GLORY THAT IS OUR GOD YAHWEH WHOM ONE AND ONLY SON IS JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH! LET THE PROPHETS COME FORTH AND SPEAK&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: xfree9</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/beat-the-defense-budget-into-a-plowshare/comment-page-1/#comment-97556</link>
		<dc:creator>xfree9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I said... hence the words &quot;the other way around.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s what I said&#8230; hence the words &#8220;the other way around.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PastorShawn</title>
		<link>http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/beat-the-defense-budget-into-a-plowshare/comment-page-1/#comment-97542</link>
		<dc:creator>PastorShawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can view the 2010 federal budget at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/browse.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/browse.html&lt;/a&gt; (see the &quot;summary&quot; document for a quick high level overview of the budget). You&#039;ll see that defense spending for 2009 was  $697 billion and the total budget was $3,724 billion, which says that I was over-estimating defense spending because I was thinking of 2008, which was closer to 20%. In 2009 defense spending actually dropped to 18.7% of the budget. Not real close to Shane&#039;s 50%. To put Shane&#039;s overstatement in perspective, we&#039;d need to spend almost $1.2 trillion MORE on defense spending than we do to equal the percent he gives ;). Which I guess is something he could rejoice about, we&#039;re spending about $1.2 trillion less on defense than he thought :P.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can view the 2010 federal budget at <a href="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/browse.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/browse.html</a> (see the &#8220;summary&#8221; document for a quick high level overview of the budget). You&#39;ll see that defense spending for 2009 was  $697 billion and the total budget was $3,724 billion, which says that I was over-estimating defense spending because I was thinking of 2008, which was closer to 20%. In 2009 defense spending actually dropped to 18.7% of the budget. Not real close to Shane&#39;s 50%. To put Shane&#39;s overstatement in perspective, we&#39;d need to spend almost $1.2 trillion MORE on defense spending than we do to equal the percent he gives <img src='http://blog.sojo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Which I guess is something he could rejoice about, we&#39;re spending about $1.2 trillion less on defense than he thought <img src='http://blog.sojo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: willhouk</title>
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		<dc:creator>willhouk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to be disagreeable with you bassjones but I think you are misquoting the constitution. The preamble states that the purpose of our government is to &quot;establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.&quot;  So it&#039;s a bit unfair to say health care for all is &quot;unconstitutional.&quot; It seems like the health care bill could easily fit into promoting the general welfare. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as the church goes you are right that we are failing miserably at taking care of the poor. I wish that we as the church could all work together and provide for the needs of the poor in all of our communities. That would be the best solution that we could find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be disagreeable with you bassjones but I think you are misquoting the constitution. The preamble states that the purpose of our government is to &#8220;establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.&#8221;  So it&#39;s a bit unfair to say health care for all is &#8220;unconstitutional.&#8221; It seems like the health care bill could easily fit into promoting the general welfare. </p>
<p>As far as the church goes you are right that we are failing miserably at taking care of the poor. I wish that we as the church could all work together and provide for the needs of the poor in all of our communities. That would be the best solution that we could find.</p>
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		<title>By: xfree9</title>
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		<dc:creator>xfree9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never heard those stats before... do you have some links or sources? I don&#039;t doubt you; I&#039;m reminded of the old cliché, &quot;Jesus talked more about hell than heaven,&quot; yet it&#039;s like a 20:1 ration the other way around. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just asking for sources cuz I&#039;m truly interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve never heard those stats before&#8230; do you have some links or sources? I don&#39;t doubt you; I&#39;m reminded of the old cliché, &#8220;Jesus talked more about hell than heaven,&#8221; yet it&#39;s like a 20:1 ration the other way around. </p>
<p>Just asking for sources cuz I&#39;m truly interested.</p>
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		<title>By: bassjones</title>
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		<dc:creator>bassjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would certainly agree that our military budget is obese and mainly spent on the wrong things - fancy new bombs instead of taking care of our soldiers.  However, defense is the only role that our government has a constitutional duty to engage in.  In fact, &quot;providing health care for everyone&quot; is unconstitutional and is not very &quot;Christian&quot; in my view.  Paul never exhorted the church to send its members to Caesar when they needed help, he exhorted THEM to take care of each other.  To be sure we&#039;ve done a pretty lousy job of it, but to voluntarily turn over more of our freedom (and responsibility) to the enslavers in the Federal Government is potentially more dangerous than all the bombs we&#039;ve ever built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would certainly agree that our military budget is obese and mainly spent on the wrong things &#8211; fancy new bombs instead of taking care of our soldiers.  However, defense is the only role that our government has a constitutional duty to engage in.  In fact, &#8220;providing health care for everyone&#8221; is unconstitutional and is not very &#8220;Christian&#8221; in my view.  Paul never exhorted the church to send its members to Caesar when they needed help, he exhorted THEM to take care of each other.  To be sure we&#39;ve done a pretty lousy job of it, but to voluntarily turn over more of our freedom (and responsibility) to the enslavers in the Federal Government is potentially more dangerous than all the bombs we&#39;ve ever built.</p>
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		<title>By: PastorShawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>PastorShawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without even responding to the military spending issue (which we could never &quot;resolve&quot; in terms of how much is &quot;too much&quot; money spent on national defense, or actually world defense since U.S. military spending benefits people world-wide and not simply in the U.S.), truth is important. Military spending is not half of every tax dollar; its closer to 20%. Of course to get to 50%, some will exclude large portions of government social spending to make military spending a larger percentage of something less that the entire U.S. budget, but this is dishonest. Make your argument, but at least do so with truth rather than a distortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without even responding to the military spending issue (which we could never &#8220;resolve&#8221; in terms of how much is &#8220;too much&#8221; money spent on national defense, or actually world defense since U.S. military spending benefits people world-wide and not simply in the U.S.), truth is important. Military spending is not half of every tax dollar; its closer to 20%. Of course to get to 50%, some will exclude large portions of government social spending to make military spending a larger percentage of something less that the entire U.S. budget, but this is dishonest. Make your argument, but at least do so with truth rather than a distortion.</p>
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		<title>By: larrypullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>larrypullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane, I like your essay very much. Unfortunately political leaders have, or believe they have, a very limited tool box (to keep with Jim Wallis&#039; statement about the hammer) with which to make a more just and peaceful world. That is why they tend to look to Machiavelli&#039;s instruction more than that of Jesus. It is easier, and more predictable for many people when we lack faith, to trust in fear rather than friendship to bring a more peaceful world. Yet ultimately we must have a significantly universal trust in God&#039;s power to reconcile all people in order to move away from military expenditures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane, I like your essay very much. Unfortunately political leaders have, or believe they have, a very limited tool box (to keep with Jim Wallis&#39; statement about the hammer) with which to make a more just and peaceful world. That is why they tend to look to Machiavelli&#39;s instruction more than that of Jesus. It is easier, and more predictable for many people when we lack faith, to trust in fear rather than friendship to bring a more peaceful world. Yet ultimately we must have a significantly universal trust in God&#39;s power to reconcile all people in order to move away from military expenditures.</p>
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		<title>By: BillSamuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillSamuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Shane.  It&#039;s nice that Sojourners allows you to post here, but it would be even better if they took your words to heart.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Two years ago, Sojourners undertook a major &quot;The Budget Is a Moral Document&quot; campaign.  Shamefully, they never even mentioned the military budget, the largest item in the budget and one with clear moral implications!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sojourners once played a prophetic role, but it has long since tossed that aside and instead curried favor with establishment political figures.  Since the leaders of both parties are firmly committed to increased militarism, taking a prophetic role on peace would not have served this drive for mainstream respectability and they simply abandoned it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Shane.  It&#39;s nice that Sojourners allows you to post here, but it would be even better if they took your words to heart.</p>
<p>Two years ago, Sojourners undertook a major &#8220;The Budget Is a Moral Document&#8221; campaign.  Shamefully, they never even mentioned the military budget, the largest item in the budget and one with clear moral implications!</p>
<p>Sojourners once played a prophetic role, but it has long since tossed that aside and instead curried favor with establishment political figures.  Since the leaders of both parties are firmly committed to increased militarism, taking a prophetic role on peace would not have served this drive for mainstream respectability and they simply abandoned it.</p>
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		<title>By: meekman</title>
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		<dc:creator>meekman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s undeniable that we spend a vast amount of money on our military.  However, Shane&#039;s comments also hint that our military power is causing more harm than we realize.  I think that these are two separate issues, both of which deserve prayerful attention.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Veterans&#039; high suicide rate is only one of war&#039;s negative consequences for our fellow countrymen.  Post-traumatic stress disorder, disabilities, and the separation of families are a few others.  We should do everything we can to care for our soldiers and their families when they are hurt by war.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We cannot forget that war also devastates the countries we invade.  Iraq and Afghanistan painfully taught us how much more difficult it is to rebuild countries than it is to destroy them.  We cannot expect our military to seamlessly replace bad governments with good ones.  What we can expect are difficulties, mistakes, and civilian deaths, despite our best efforts to avoid them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Military action may sometimes be necessary, despite all of its costs.  We do need to protect ourselves from terrorist attacks, and this may involve destroying things such as training camps.  There are also arguments that, as the reigning superpower, we have a responsibility to protect everyone as much as we can.  However, our current strategy of maintaining a huge number of nuclear weapons (and bases all over the world) as well as attempting to install good governments does not appear to be the best recipe for avoiding terrorists and promoting peace.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We need to advocate a responsible level of military spending as well as an appropriate and careful use of our military power.  We can do this by discussing military issues with people around us, writing letters to our representatives, or even prayerfully protesting.  Thanks, Shane, for reminding us of this heavy responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s undeniable that we spend a vast amount of money on our military.  However, Shane&#39;s comments also hint that our military power is causing more harm than we realize.  I think that these are two separate issues, both of which deserve prayerful attention.</p>
<p>Veterans&#39; high suicide rate is only one of war&#39;s negative consequences for our fellow countrymen.  Post-traumatic stress disorder, disabilities, and the separation of families are a few others.  We should do everything we can to care for our soldiers and their families when they are hurt by war.</p>
<p>We cannot forget that war also devastates the countries we invade.  Iraq and Afghanistan painfully taught us how much more difficult it is to rebuild countries than it is to destroy them.  We cannot expect our military to seamlessly replace bad governments with good ones.  What we can expect are difficulties, mistakes, and civilian deaths, despite our best efforts to avoid them.</p>
<p>Military action may sometimes be necessary, despite all of its costs.  We do need to protect ourselves from terrorist attacks, and this may involve destroying things such as training camps.  There are also arguments that, as the reigning superpower, we have a responsibility to protect everyone as much as we can.  However, our current strategy of maintaining a huge number of nuclear weapons (and bases all over the world) as well as attempting to install good governments does not appear to be the best recipe for avoiding terrorists and promoting peace.</p>
<p>We need to advocate a responsible level of military spending as well as an appropriate and careful use of our military power.  We can do this by discussing military issues with people around us, writing letters to our representatives, or even prayerfully protesting.  Thanks, Shane, for reminding us of this heavy responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: willhouk</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Shane,&lt;br&gt;I got to see you speak at William Jessup University yesterday where you touched on these issues along with many others. Thank you for your witness and your willingness to say the difficult things that need to be said. Your work has blessed my life in many different ways, and my wife and I will be praying with you and the many other Christians to bring some sanity to our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Shane,<br />I got to see you speak at William Jessup University yesterday where you touched on these issues along with many others. Thank you for your witness and your willingness to say the difficult things that need to be said. Your work has blessed my life in many different ways, and my wife and I will be praying with you and the many other Christians to bring some sanity to our country.</p>
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		<title>By: waitpony</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PLEASE keep us updated on when we can gather at Congress&#039; steps for a time of prayer. I&#039;d love to be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLEASE keep us updated on when we can gather at Congress&#39; steps for a time of prayer. I&#39;d love to be there.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by PaulAbspoel: Shane Claiborne bindt de strijd aan met militair industrieel complex http://bit.ly/1GBYCD USA is in mega-crisis maar blijft met geld smijten...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by PaulAbspoel: Shane Claiborne bindt de strijd aan met militair industrieel complex <a href="http://bit.ly/1GBYCD" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1GBYCD</a> USA is in mega-crisis maar blijft met geld smijten&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Ellis</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen Shane!!! &lt;br&gt;The many who see themselves as &quot;realists&quot; and think that somehow in reality $680 Billion is a reasonable number to spend on killing need to recognize their cynicism and open their eyes. America is the most violent, greedy, economically oppressive nation in the history of the world. What other nation depends on the death of the hungry in order to enjoy it&#039;s own obesity? I love this country but let the Kingdom of God be our first allegiance. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What person has found life by killing to save it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Shane!!! <br />The many who see themselves as &#8220;realists&#8221; and think that somehow in reality $680 Billion is a reasonable number to spend on killing need to recognize their cynicism and open their eyes. America is the most violent, greedy, economically oppressive nation in the history of the world. What other nation depends on the death of the hungry in order to enjoy it&#39;s own obesity? I love this country but let the Kingdom of God be our first allegiance. </p>
<p>What person has found life by killing to save it?</p>
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		<title>By: pcnot4me</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But there is a time to fight.  We have an enemy, they are Islamic extremists and they hate our nation and want to destroy it.  And they don&#039;t hide that fact.  Ft. Hood is the latest example.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The United States of America feeds more hungry, sets free more captives, and prevents more violence than any nation in the history of the world.  What other nation comes alongside the weak?  The United States of America.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only way we can do those things is through our strength</description>
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<p>But there is a time to fight.  We have an enemy, they are Islamic extremists and they hate our nation and want to destroy it.  And they don&#39;t hide that fact.  Ft. Hood is the latest example.  </p>
<p>The United States of America feeds more hungry, sets free more captives, and prevents more violence than any nation in the history of the world.  What other nation comes alongside the weak?  The United States of America.</p>
<p>The only way we can do those things is through our strength</p>
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		<title>By: letjusticerolldown</title>
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		<dc:creator>letjusticerolldown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pro-military. I am for a budget increase. It takes money to bring troops home, close bases, and beat swords into plows. And that is exactly what should be done.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thankfully, the most needed commodity costs nothing: vision, courage, love, imagination, leadership and brains.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We could cut the budget 50%, reduce our footprint around the globe, and still increase our capacity to serve as global cop.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The military hawks really need to be taken to task on their own terms; as to whether arming the world and going to fight all over the world has delivered any of its promises.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think there are strong arguments for a strong military. But they can only be made when the vision, morality, humility, character and strategy of the nation are stronger, more durable, more transparent and more enduring than the military we fund. If we used that as the measure--the military budget ought be reduced about 90%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pro-military. I am for a budget increase. It takes money to bring troops home, close bases, and beat swords into plows. And that is exactly what should be done.</p>
<p>Thankfully, the most needed commodity costs nothing: vision, courage, love, imagination, leadership and brains.</p>
<p>We could cut the budget 50%, reduce our footprint around the globe, and still increase our capacity to serve as global cop.</p>
<p>The military hawks really need to be taken to task on their own terms; as to whether arming the world and going to fight all over the world has delivered any of its promises.</p>
<p>I think there are strong arguments for a strong military. But they can only be made when the vision, morality, humility, character and strategy of the nation are stronger, more durable, more transparent and more enduring than the military we fund. If we used that as the measure&#8211;the military budget ought be reduced about 90%.</p>
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