Comments on: What Do You Get When You Cross Micah 6 with John 3:16? http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/ A Blog by Jim Wallis and Friends Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:22:45 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: kathrynwiley http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-111163 kathrynwiley Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:02:41 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-111163 Love it! Thanks for reminding us that Christianity isn't just about us and our own agendas. And you are so right: it is at the center of following the Crucified One! Love it! Thanks for reminding us that Christianity isn't just about us and our own agendas. And you are so right: it is at the center of following the Crucified One!

]]> By: kathrynwiley http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-97554 kathrynwiley Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:02:41 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-97554 Love it! Thanks for reminding us that Christianity isn't just about us and our own agendas. And you are so right: it is at the center of following the Crucified One! Love it! Thanks for reminding us that Christianity isn't just about us and our own agendas. And you are so right: it is at the center of following the Crucified One!

]]> By: uberVU - social comments http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-97525 uberVU - social comments Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:48:39 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-97525 <strong>Social comments and analytics for this post...</strong> This post was mentioned on Twitter by jeffpartain: What Do You Get When You Cross Micah 6 w/John 3:16? - http://bit.ly/1EAIvm... Social comments and analytics for this post…

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]]> By: TedVothJr http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-97416 TedVothJr Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:39:23 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-97416 Hebrew 'tsedakah,' better çedaqah, Greek dikaiosynê, Latin justitia, gave Luther fits, because he realized he could never on his own be just before God. I'm sure you'd agree, MacArthur4, God does indeed say 'It's My Way or the highway'. <br><br>Then Luther came to understand the truth of 2nd Corinthians 5:21 'For he has made him sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.' çedaqah, dikaiosynê, means 'justice, righteousness'. <br><br>In God's eyes, to say 'crossing Micah 6 with John 3.16' is divine silliness, because they're different ways of saying the same thing: if the righteousness, dikaiosynê, of God has truly been made over to your account, you WILL behave with justice, dikaiosynê, or you will be a crabbed, miserable, bitter, angry, frightened, unhappy, unfruitful, petty-minded, ungrateful little Christian. <br><br>And the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, and self-control. Hebrew 'tsedakah,' better çedaqah, Greek dikaiosynê, Latin justitia, gave Luther fits, because he realized he could never on his own be just before God. I'm sure you'd agree, MacArthur4, God does indeed say 'It's My Way or the highway'.

Then Luther came to understand the truth of 2nd Corinthians 5:21 'For he has made him sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.' çedaqah, dikaiosynê, means 'justice, righteousness'.

In God's eyes, to say 'crossing Micah 6 with John 3.16' is divine silliness, because they're different ways of saying the same thing: if the righteousness, dikaiosynê, of God has truly been made over to your account, you WILL behave with justice, dikaiosynê, or you will be a crabbed, miserable, bitter, angry, frightened, unhappy, unfruitful, petty-minded, ungrateful little Christian.

And the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, and self-control.

]]> By: abasch http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-97407 abasch Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:16:43 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-97407 I usually don't through "bible darts" but this is some pretty strong, convincing, and exciting stuff:<br><br><br>Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke? (NIV)<br><br><br>Is this not the fast which I choose,<br> To loosen the bonds of wickedness,<br> To undo the bands of the yoke,<br> And to let the oppressed go free<br> And break every yoke? (NASB) I usually don't through “bible darts” but this is some pretty strong, convincing, and exciting stuff:

Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke? (NIV)

Is this not the fast which I choose,
To loosen the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the bands of the yoke,
And to let the oppressed go free
And break every yoke? (NASB)

]]> By: ElrondPA http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-97396 ElrondPA Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:24:19 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-97396 What makes some people instinctively recoil from "creating just societies" language is that too often, that seems to be code for "I'm going to take money from someone who has worked hard and intelligently and give it to someone else who has less, whether they've worked hard or not." Fair? Not always, but it happens often enough that suspicion naturally builds.<br><br>Only about half of American adults pay ANY federal income tax. Is it just for people to control a budget that they have no responsibility to provide for, to impose taxes that don't affect them? It's easy to spend other people's money... What makes some people instinctively recoil from “creating just societies” language is that too often, that seems to be code for “I'm going to take money from someone who has worked hard and intelligently and give it to someone else who has less, whether they've worked hard or not.” Fair? Not always, but it happens often enough that suspicion naturally builds.

Only about half of American adults pay ANY federal income tax. Is it just for people to control a budget that they have no responsibility to provide for, to impose taxes that don't affect them? It's easy to spend other people's money…

]]> By: BlueDeacon http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-97375 BlueDeacon Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:53:01 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-97375 That happens when religion is used as a cultural touchstone and becomes "establishment." Jesus, on the other hand, calls us to do things differently (and the root for "holy" means "different"). That happens when religion is used as a cultural touchstone and becomes “establishment.” Jesus, on the other hand, calls us to do things differently (and the root for “holy” means “different”).

]]> By: What Do You Get When You Cross Micah 6 with John 3:16? | The Just Life http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-97366 What Do You Get When You Cross Micah 6 with John 3:16? | The Just Life Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:30:21 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-97366 [...] What Do You Get When You Cross Micah 6 with John 3:16? The Just Life | Nov 11, 2009 | 0 comments [...] [...] What Do You Get When You Cross Micah 6 with John 3:16? The Just Life | Nov 11, 2009 | 0 comments [...]

]]> By: ckgmail http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-97347 ckgmail Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:37:13 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-97347 What is "my" political insight to which you refer. I am certainly not talking about retributive justice here, but the OT justice which is to make things right, to straighten crooked paths, or what is currently sometimes referred to as restorative justice. "Now what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justice (tsedekah) and to love mercy (chesedh) and to walk humbly with thy God?" Micah 6:8 What is “my” political insight to which you refer. I am certainly not talking about retributive justice here, but the OT justice which is to make things right, to straighten crooked paths, or what is currently sometimes referred to as restorative justice. “Now what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justice (tsedekah) and to love mercy (chesedh) and to walk humbly with thy God?” Micah 6:8

]]> By: Liadan http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-97340 Liadan Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:29:20 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-97340 Actually, that sounds interesting. How would I go about investigating "justice," "tsedakah"? I'm not sure how to start.<br><br>I always wonder why some Christians are so interested in punishing others that in loving them? Actually, that sounds interesting. How would I go about investigating “justice,” “tsedakah”? I'm not sure how to start.

I always wonder why some Christians are so interested in punishing others that in loving them?

]]> By: Jeffrey_Warren http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-97332 Jeffrey_Warren Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:08:35 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-97332 Your justice is the western, forensic kind: handing out punishment for guilt. That's not what Chuck means, nor is it what is conveyed by tsedakah. It would be good for you to investigate the range of expression that this word from the OT text carries. Your justice is the western, forensic kind: handing out punishment for guilt. That's not what Chuck means, nor is it what is conveyed by tsedakah. It would be good for you to investigate the range of expression that this word from the OT text carries.

]]> By: MacArthur4 http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-97325 MacArthur4 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:36:44 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-97325 Evangelism minus Justice equals an incomplete faith.<br><br><br>Don't you mean minus your kind of justice ? Perhaps you could lead us in the Prayer of unity , my way or the highway ? <br><br> Perhaps we need to stick with the Justice Christ makes up for. If we received justice , we would not like it . Some of us may be and not yet ready for "your" political insight. Evangelism minus Justice equals an incomplete faith.

Don't you mean minus your kind of justice ? Perhaps you could lead us in the Prayer of unity , my way or the highway ?

Perhaps we need to stick with the Justice Christ makes up for. If we received justice , we would not like it . Some of us may be and not yet ready for “your” political insight.

]]> By: ckgmail http://blog.sojo.net/2009/11/11/what-do-you-get-when-you-cross-micah-6-with-john-316/comment-page-1/#comment-97322 ckgmail Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:25:36 +0000 http://blog.sojo.net/?p=13311#comment-97322 Thanks to Sojourners for sponsoring this event. Evangelism minus Justice equals an incomplete faith.<br>Charles Kiker<br>Charter/Founding Member<br>lFriends of Justice Thanks to Sojourners for sponsoring this event. Evangelism minus Justice equals an incomplete faith.
Charles Kiker
Charter/Founding Member
lFriends of Justice

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