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Unseen Privilege: The Overlooked Gender Dimension of the ‘Deadly Viper’ Conversation

by Kathy Khang 11-19-2009

In the eight years I worked specifically with Christian Asian American college students, I knew that my gender would get in the way. I was not a pastor – youth, English ministry, college, women’s ministry or otherwise. I was not a seminary student. I wasn’t a pastor’s wife. I was a married women with a child whose husband was not in vocational ministry. I was weird. Colleagues would later call me a trailblazer, but to be honest most days I simply reveled in the complexity of my amazing life while simultaneously crying in frustration over feeling like the only thing being burned was me.

And how do you talk about the unseen privileges of my male colleagues, and more specifically my Asian American male colleagues, without sounding demanding, whiny, or bitter? Believe me, I keep trying even though I’ve been called all of those things. Even yesterday as I was supervising a younger male leader, he talked about a local pastor’s gathering he was invited to attend. In all the years I worked at the same campus I was never invited to those meetings.

What that leader is learning is that he has unseen privileges that give him credibility and access. He knows it. He sees it in some of the male students he is mentoring – young men who have told him they don’t connect with me as a speaker — and he and I trust each other enough to say it out loud. It’s not about content or quality of delivery. It’s because I’m a woman, and in the Asian American context we still have some internal conversations that need to be had about cultural patriarchy and how some cultural values are so deeply rooted that it will take time, prayer, faith, and pain to work through them.

Over the years I’ve had to learn what it means to lead out of influence, to have a voice in the conversation even when I am not at the table. I’m still learning, which is why this controversy over Deadly Viper Character Assassin is affecting me so deeply. I have been physically at the table in conversations with the authors and publishing executives, but I am struggling in what feels like an unfair but perhaps prudent choice. I’m just not sure.

I’m having a tough time shaking the gender piece of this curriculum that hijacks and then stereotypes Asian culture while creating a false dichotomy between the feminine and masculine and describes strength, integrity, and leadership in hyper-masculine terms. If my culture is nothing more than a decorative background and kung fu fighting illustration then I am reduced to a stereotype. And if my gender and things that are girly are equated with weakness then I am silenced. Twice.

I’m not making this stuff up. Really. Thanks to logicandimagination I did a little hunting and found an online preview of the book. (On a side note, I’m hoping to get out and visit the local Christian bookstore to look through a copy of the book. I can’t bring myself to shell out money to pay for a copy, but the credibility of my critique of the theme – based on the Web site, dvd previews, blog, and online book preview – is being questioned because I haven’t read the actual book.)

“And then there’s little old us looking like school girls with plaid skirts on, because we are unskilled and undisciplined in the area of character. We’re weaklings with rail skinny arms and toothpick legs.” DV, page 11

“So we are asking you to make a choice and a decision right now. We are asking you to go balls out with us and become warriors, fighters, and black belts in the art of integrity. For some, this might be painful. For others, this will simply validate your leadership choices and good decisions. This is the grand master challenge to conquer yourself. We want to party with Master Po! We are warriors in the making.” p. 21

School girls with plaid skirts? Really? And how the *bleep* am I supposed “to go balls out”? Yeah, that’s going to be painful if not impossible. I don’t have balls, thank you very much. What is that even supposed to mean? I asked my husband, because he has balls, and he couldn’t believe his eyes. We both agreed. If any of our kids used that phrase they would know immediately that Mom and Dad were not validating their leadership choices and that using the phrase was not a good decision.

My husband acknowledges that he can choose. If he chooses to engage in the gender piece of the conversation and controversy he will be viewed as an advocate. He can choose to acknowledge that the denigration of women and Asian Americans is unjust, but the impact of the former is a few degrees removed for him – even as he can sympathize as a son of a woman, husband of a woman, and father of a young woman. His unseen privilege is that he does not lose credibility even if he chooses.

How will my credibility be affected if I chose to ignore blatant sexism in order to speak into issues of race and ethnicity? How will my credibility be affected if I chose to ignore blatant racism in order to speak into issues of sexism?

I haven’t given up hope that there are ways to embrace the complexity and dive into it more deeply. I’m convinced that the more complex conversations will take longer and be more painful, but they have the potential to lead us to a deeper, integrated, and holistic understanding of what it means to be created in God’s image. I’m just not sure if I’m too angry or not angry enough to see where a conversation like this could lead.

portrait-kathy-khangKathy Khang is a regional director of multi-ethnic ministries for Intervarsity Christian Fellowship  and blogs at morethanservingtea.wordpress.com

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  • katiebugk
    Kathy - your post is a breath of fresh air to me. So often I tell my male friends, colleagues and churchmates that I can fight against sexism and for equality tirelessly and make little headway (while being called all sorts of names in the process, of course), but when men enter the struggle with me, people who wouldn't normally listen start to pay attention. It's a sad and powerful reality.
  • Thanks so much for this post, Kathy. Like Lauren, I was struck by how demeaning their language was towards the feminine. I've also noticed that many of the supporters of DVCA have used language that shows a similar bent towards demeaning the critics of DVCA as being "crybabies" and "whiners" whose "skin isn't thick enough". None of this is overtly anti-feminine, but the content and lack of civility in those comments seems closely related.

    Please don't feel you should apologize for bringing this up. Clearly there are many that support you, and I for one am so grateful that you've brought this to the front now that there appears to be something of a resolution.
  • NC77
    In my opinion, the mental wiring and physical differences are the reasons why women in the military are not allowed and should not participate in combat. Let's face it, when men are in an environment where violence and confict are the order of the day, they have a natural inkling to revel in it.
  • Alan,
    I'm just glad that my sons who loved Thomas the Tank Engine for years and years never learned enough about steam engines to learn that phrase. ;)
  • alanklug
    Great points Kathy. Much needed in the conversation.

    Interestingly, the "balls out" or "balls to the wall" phrases come from steam engines, not testicles. While they may have been re-purposed, they actually refer to a "governor" that controlled engine speed and power through rotational motion of two balls on levers. When the steam engine was spinning at its highest speed, the balls would stick straight out much like swinging a tether ball at high speed. I'm not sure the authors were going with this imagery ;)
  • Kathy,
    Your anger is more than justified, it's righteous. Too often women are instructed to let go of their anger and find a way to get by in the world by being content on some greater plane. This is not the way change is enacted. The "greater plane" is hyper-personal, emotionally detached, and complicit with injustice. Anger is a right and healthy response. The fact that so few people are angry, especially women, deeply concerns me. We need your anger -- your outraged energy -- to wake us up and jar us out of our complacent pursuit of false inner peace. May your words kindle anger in others and may this energy move us toward true social change.
  • laurendueck
    Thanks, Kathy, for bringing this piece of the problem forward. When I heard about the controversy originally, I spent a little bit of time poking around the deadly viper website, and was shocked by the blatantly sexist materials presented, especially in the "mancave" section. I watched an add which juxtaposed "girly" things with "manly" things, and then promoted the site as a place for "manswers" on leadership and integrity. Women and "girly" things were discarded as foolish, irrelevant, and to be rejected in favor of the "manly" virtues of leadership and integrity. I was pretty horrified, but didn't want to raise the issue at the time, and distract from the questions of ethnicity and race that were very successfully being brought to the table.

    I'm frustrated that we, as Christians, regardless of our theological standpoints on "the women question," still buy into cultural values that degrade and devalue women in every capacity, as this ad did. The message was that "real men" should scorn women and feminine things. Even if you're a Piper-ite (which I am the farthest thing from), how can you justify such an attitude as honoring to women in any way? It's not. It's derogatory and offensive.

    And Kathy: Thanks for serving as a model for younger women, like myself, as we step into ministry roles and start confronting these questions ourselves.
  • kenfong
    Kathy, as one of the three men (and all of us AsiAms) involved with you in bringing this "Deadly Viper" controversy to the attention of the publishers and authors, I want people to know how clear-minded, unflinching, and resolute you and the other two AsiAm female leaders (Nikki Toyama-Szeto and Helen Lee) were and continue to be in this ongoing effort to sensitize the Body to less respected or valued parts. To those who would cite Scripture to insist that God would not have wanted any women to contribute their strengths, gifts, wisdom, and experience to this cause, I can only say that I believe that our efforts would have suffered in so many ways if these three Christian colleagues had not been allowed to weigh in with us men.
    When I first got involved with the DV issue, I zeroed in on the co-opted stereotypic Asian images, most of which were of Asian males. But I am embarrassed to admit that I really didn't catch the denigration of women aspects when I first procured a copy of the book and began working through the content. However, because I have long believed that a huge part of Christ's redemptive work is to have the powerless teach the powerful, I was moved by the outcry of some Christian sisters and then started to notice how males-only many of the character lessons were. I too began to be upset about that and joined the chorus of those who wanted to confront the authors and publishers about this, too.
    But in order not to overwhelm them, we all agreed to keep the focus on the misuse of images. I believe that that was the right approach and the response received yesterday from Zondervan seems to bear that out. However, as they regroup soon with the authors to re-present the content, it's now appropriate to work with them to correct this blind spot in the content.
    No doubt there are folks out there who think there's nothing wrong with having stuff that is exclusively aimed at one gender or the other. However, given the history of excluding women from leadership and given the importance of pursuing solid Christian character among ALL Christian leaders, I believe it is paramount that a book about that topic should not in any way, shape, or form exclude female Christian leaders from the conversation. To do so, especially if the original target audience was males, is only to perpetuate that blind spot which continues to cause you pain. Your writing this post, something that I doubt I could do or do nearly as well, serves to make my whole point to those who are willing to hear it.
  • I'm not sure what the "balls out" thing means, but my first reaction was actually that ovaries are balls too... If the idiom is a literal word-picture, that might hurt more, though.

    Since I'm a crazy fundy, I do think Paul's admonition regarding women in ministry did convey a timeless truth. The scope of that truth is subject to consideration, although I did see an article here about the reason for the admonition being forgotten... I'll have to look for it.

    My guess at what was on his mind is that women are mentally wired for different jobs than men, not to mention physically different. If you don't deny these as scientific truths, would it not be unethical to put women in certain situations?
  • jodyfernando
    Thanks for your succinct, thoughtful, and FUNNY take, Kathy. I laughed out loud about going "balls out". Sadly, I think the reality of women being left out is far too common in the church today.
  • RachelK
    Years ago the late Norman Mailer was the president of a writer's group, and he made the statement that "you have to have balls to write like this," which rightly infuriated women who were members of the group.
    The eventual response was "you have to have ovaries to write like this." (I have never seen any word on Mailer's reaction -- I think I'm glad.)
    Clearly the writers of this so-called Christian Warrior crap need more ovaries. Also more brains.
    Kathy, your struggle is more complex than that of many women because of the double-bind of ethnicity. Yet you are not alone, either in human terms or in spiritual ones. Christ stands with you in the struggle for justice.
    At the lowest times of my life, I have found that humor is a necessary survival strategy -- even if it expresses the bleakest, direst feelings, I had to find a way to laugh through the tears. May your ovaries carry you through the long haul.
  • tupetewalker
    I'm really glad the gender-element is being dealt with here, along with the racial aspects. And it's not just an issue of gender. This misogynistic, hyper-macho language is deeply demeaning and marginalizing to both the queer community, and to "dudes" like me - who just aren't macho.

    Now that this issue is getting brought to the forefront (as it should be) can someone please call out Mark Driscoll for the same destructive attitudes toward women and homosexuals? He's been propogating this stuff for much longer (along with his reformed-hipster buddies). The Viper conversation is just a piece of a much more prevalent, systemic "social disease" in the American church.
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