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Climate Justice Clips: The Real Conspiracy at Copenhagen

by Jarrod McKenna 12-08-2009

“This is analogous to the indulgences that the Catholic Church sold in the middle ages. The bishops collected lots of money and the sinners got redemption. Both parties liked that arrangement despite its absurdity. That is exactly what’s happening … We’ve got the developed countries who want to continue more or less business as usual and then these developing countries who want money and that is what they can get through offsets [sold through the carbon markets].”

World’s leading climate expert James Hansen in an interview with The Guardian .

This clip is great crash course from the “Story of Stuff Project” about the problems of “cap and trade” solutions that James Hansen is referring to in the above quote.

While many climate deniers have distracted people’s attention with the sound and fury surrounding the now infamous hacked e-mails, there are more important critical questions Christians need to be asking about COP 15. James Hansen’s comments are not regarding the science of climate change but the methods of “cap and trade” that are being put forward as a solution. In the same interview, Hansen went on to say:

[Climate Change] is analogous to the issue of slavery faced by Abraham Lincoln or the issue of Nazism faced by Winston Churchill. On those kind of issues you cannot compromise. You can’t say let’s reduce slavery, let’s find a compromise and reduce it 50% or reduce it 40%.

Hansen’s comments left me thinking out how we judge the blindness of Christians who lived through Nazi Germany or through the African slave trade. Despite their sincerity and diligence in reading holy scripture they could not see clearly God’s concern for the most vulnerable. As Christian Aid partner and Bangladeshi activist Nazmul Chowdhury has said, “Forget about making poverty history. Climate Change will make poverty permanent.”

Like the blind man at Bethsaida, this Bangladeshi brother invites us to let Jesus lead us outside the complacency of the city and allow him to heal our sight so we do not see partially, but see clearly what God sees.  Or like silent Christians during the African slave trade and Nazi Germany, will we simply be blind?

Continue to join us in prayer with Tim Costello and Brian McLaren that God’s will for climate justice for the poor will be done at Copenhagen.

portrait-jarrod-mckennaJarrod McKenna is seeking to live God’s love. As a Vine and Fig Tree Planter, he plants ‘signs’ on military bases that draw the connections between God’s kingdom, militarism, and climate change. He is a co-founder of the Peace Tree Community serving with the marginalised in one of the poorest of areas in his city, heads up Together for Humanity in Western Australia (an interfaith youth initiative working for the common good), and is the founder and creative director of Empowering Peacemakers (EPYC), for which he has received an Australian peace award in his work for in empowering a generation of peace evangelists and [eco]prophets.

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  • squeaky
    You seem to be missing my point. How, exactly, does his perceived hypocrisy negate the validity of climate change? This is the question I am asking.

    Is it not ridiculous to argue that men can cheat on their wives because Tiger Woods is a hypocrite? Is it not ridiculous to argue that an unloving Christian is proof that Jesus does not love us?

    If those examples are not ridiculous arguments, then why is it not ridiculous to argue that Al Gore's hypocrisy negates climate change? Please explain how that makes sense.
  • Guest
    Galileo wasn't advocating that everyone else change their lifestyle while
    refusing to change his. Big difference. Gore is still a hypocrite.

    And a liar about the hockey stick.
  • BuckeyeDon
    He may be a hypocrite; he may not be--it's not important to the climate debate. I's still a strawman--and a red herring, for that matter.

    Galileo, from all accounts, was an insufferable jerk who managed to offend just about everyone who got to know him. His character flaw didn't invalidate his astronomical observations, did it?
  • Guest
    Argue about it if you want, but Al Gore is a hypocrite. That's a fact.
  • squeaky
    Since Tiger Woods is a hypocrite, the merits of marital fidelity must be nothing more than propaganda put forth by those pesky wives who want to see their husbands suffer from only being able to be with just one woman the rest of their lives. How dare they tell you guys what to do with their lives!

    If marital infidelity is unhealthy, then Tiger Wood's promiscuous lifestyle makes him a hypocrite. If marital infidelity is not unhealthy, and Woods does not believe it, then downgrading his lifestyle would make him a moron.

    Does that argument sound logical to you? Well, neither does the "Gore is a hypocrite therefore climate change is not real" sound logical to me. If you want to debate climate change, fine. But enough of this non-scientific reasoning. As I said before, it is a strawman. Nothing more.
  • squeaky
    "Never in my lifetime have I witnessed government having so much control over people's lives."

    Do you have an example?

    And were you disturbed about the degradation of our constitutional rights under the Bush Administration? Isn't that also an example of government having more control over our lives?

    And all the things you list would have happened under McCain, too. Interesting how the person who has to pick up the pieces of a collapsed economy is the one blamed for it collapsing.
  • squeaky
    So let me get this straight.

    "we can't afford to buy solar panels and new windows and energy-efficient light bulbs and reinsulate our homes with better insulation and replace our appliances and upgrade our heaters and air conditioners and the list goes on"

    But you can afford an SUV.

    I'm a geologist, just for full disclosure. So I've taught a lot of science classes. One thing I never stop marveling at is that God built in this beautiful balance into His creation. He gave it the ability to replenish itself. He gave animals the ability to adapt to changes in their environment so that they aren't wiped out. He gave it the ability to preserve and create material we now use for energy. And the more we understand His creation, the more we can be the stewards He intended us to be. The more we understand it, the more we can use it wisely and sustainably so that it can be used for generations to come.

    But, we haven't been good stewards, and it is not difficult to see that is true. We have driven countless species to extinction, we burn down the rainforest at unprecedented rates, we pour toxins into our atmosphere and into our drinking water (although, thanks to environmental protection laws, at least now rivers don't spontaneously combust--google Cuyahoga River). We haven't and still don't use the resources He gave us wisely or in a way that is honoring to Him.

    We are better than we were. And we are getting better still. But it might mean, for us to love God and honor His creation, that we can't live the energy- and resource-consumptive lifestyles we have come to know and love. And, well, Jesus didn't die for us so that we can live as gluttons in a world of limited resources. Selfishness and greed are emphatically not Godly characteristics.

    He only gave us one planet. Just one. And it's unique among the solar system and in the universe in that it is capable of sustaining life. This is the only planet we know of that can do that. And the things that sustain life are the following, in order of importance:

    1. Clean air (3 minutes without air, and you're gone)

    2. Clean water (3 days without water, and you're gone)

    3. Soil and animals (3 weeks without food, and you're gone).

    And yet, we soil all of that. How's that for gratitude to a Creator who gave us everything we need to sustain our lives?

    I find it very interesting when people say "oh, I'm all for stewardship of the environment" but it is clear that they only care about God's creation if it doesn't cost them anything or it isn't too hard to do.

    It's weird that those godless environmentalists care more about the Creation God gave us than those who claim to be His children. You wrongly assume that the environment is all environmentalists care about. Why do environmentalists care about the environment? Is it because we only care about the environment? Or is it because we recognize that no one can live without a sustainably clean environment, and that by caring for the environment, we also care for the people who need that environment to survive?
  • squeaky
    Umm--Where do I see derision. Every post you have put up makes my point for me.
  • Guest
    No I wouldn't consider that to be valid reasoning. If AGW is not a fact but Gore thinks it is, then Gore's profligate lifestyle makes him a hypocrite. If AGW is not a fact and Gore does not believe it, then downgrading his lifestyle would make him a moron.
  • stubbysue
    And how exactly has Obama bettered our economy? By spending money?? What good has that done? By raising our deficit to unsustainable levels? By devoting tons of energy towards health care reform while meanwhile, every day, more and more people are losing jobs and those who've lost them can't find any!!

    Obama has only done things that have worsened our economic crisis. And if health care is passed along with cap and trade, you can bet your life that our financial woes and job losses will deepen in ways we've never experienced.

    It's crazy. Truly crazy.

    He might have "inherited" a wrecked economy but he certainly has worsened it while at the same time extending govt. control into our lives in ways we have never experienced in America. I hardly recognize this nation anymore.
  • stubbysue
    He's getting blamed because he is making things even worse. I feel far more depressed, fearful, and anxious now with Obama in office and watching him and Congress devote far more time and energy to health care and spending money than to things like creating jobs.

    Never in my lifetime have I witnessed government having so much control over people's lives. It's very disconcerting and disturbing, and things have gotten worse with Obama in office. Just the other day, our local school district announced it has to cut $10 mil. next year, and that will mean techer lay offs. As well, our city has said that the budget it hurting greatly and will have to tap into backup resources and resort to lay offs. All around me, every day, someone is losing a job or a company is folding.

    Perhaps we were in a hole with Bush, but Obama has a shovel and is burying us there, and who knows if we will ever be able to get out.
  • stubbysue
    So true. Businesses will especially be hurt and hit hard. But so will individuals as they will see their electricity bills skyrocket if cap and trade passes. Environmentalism is becoming the new world-wide religion/cult, and those who don't join it will be damned and punished. I frequently vacation in the Bay Area in CA and you can only imagine the looks I get driving my SUV! Oh what horror! I drive an SUV. In their views, it's far worse than something like say aborting an unborn child. We are just so twisted in our thoughts.
  • stubbysue
    Where do you see derision for those who defend climate change? Our media, our government, and our celebrities- these are the most vocal and broadcast voices- are all hugely on the "green" bandwagon. Calling someone who is not on that bandwagon a "denier" does "tarnish" their "reputation." It's a common occurance though in this current administration and our society. Destroying the repuatation of opponents is quite the M.O. of media & govt, and something I think we have to get used to because it's the way things are now that we've got ultra-liberals and socialists leading this nation.
  • stubbysue
    The sad thing is that Al Gore could use solar panels, etc. but he, and others, want us all to do the same. And where do we get the money for it? All these poor people, the unemployed, even the overtaxed and struggling "middle class"- we can't afford to buy solar panels and new windows and energy-efficient light bulbs and reinsulate our homes with better insulation and replace our appliances and upgrade our heaters and air conditioners and the list goes on. It's actually very costly to be climate-friendly, and one of the biggest problems with this environmental religion is that it places guilt on people for not being "green." Hey, if Gore wants to be "green," so be it. But don't tell me that I have to be "green," or don't give me dirty looks because I drive an SUV or have a lot of Chrsitmas lights on my house! I really have a lot of resentment for the fact that many of these environmentalists judge others for not jumping on the "green" bandwagon (even though, they themselves, still do harmful things to the environment).

    And if Al Gore was a true lover of the earth, he'd live in a tent, bathe in a river, walk everywhere, not use toilet paper, not use electricity, and so on. In other words, he'd have to be a homeless person who wouldn't be able to make it in this contemporary society.

    Yes, there are things we can do to care for the resources God gave us, but I feel no guilt for using the things I do (like incadescent light bulbs), driving an SUV, and so on. Environmentalism is quickly becoming the new socialism because it is ultimately going to control people's lives with the govt. telling us what we can and can't drive and so forth.
  • stubbysue
    Gore's lifestyle does make him a hypocrite. In fact, all true, devout environmentalists are hypocrites. Do they use electricity? yes. Do they drive cars? yes. Do they light candles, make fires in their homes, purchase any material goods? yes. Do they pee in toilets? yes. Well, that pee contaminates water, and medicines and drugs can even be carried into water through that pee.

    The bottom line is that no matter what we do, we are going to pollute the environment, use its resources, etc. in one way or another. But God created this world with natural resources for us to use, and for us to "protect" certain things which God created for our use in order for us to live is preposterous.

    Environmentlism/global warming is becoming a religion among people like Gore. Not only that, but it is making him a tremendous amount of money. It preys on people's fears.

    As Christians we should be good stewards of this earth and its resources. We should do what is normal and good to take care of it. But going to extremes is not good. And going to extremes does end up hurting people in one way or another. Well, not Al Gore. His going to extremes lines his pockets with thousands of dollars.
  • stubbysue
    Environmentalists would be very happy if we all lived in tents, showered in rivers, walked everywhere, and only used blankets to keep warm in our tents (because fires produce smoke which pollutes air).

    The Bible cleary addresses avoiding extremes. The global warming/environmentalism of today is becoming very extreme. Yes, we ought to care for the earth, but not to the point that it becomes a type of obsessive religion or object of worship or when it trumps human needs.
  • stubbysue
    "Or like silent Christians during the African slave trade and Nazi Germany, will we simply be blind?


    I don't know you, Jarod, but I truly wonder if you, and other environmentalists (like Jim Wallis, etc) would apply this very same statement to the issue of abortion.

    I wonder if you consider the "silence" of Christians on the enviroment to be just as horrible as the "silence" of pro-choice Christians on abortion.

    Does it grieve you that we turn a "blind" eye towards the millions of aborted babies? Do you grieve over the loss of their lives just as much as you grieve over the environment?

    All I have read and heard from environmentalists is that abortion is an "old" issue that we are too hung up on. Yet, the environmnet... that is the "new" issue... it's got the "it factor." It's the popular mantra of the day, and it is seriously becoming a religion for many people.

    I just don't personally understand how environmentalists can say the type of things you say about the environment yet turn a "blind" eye towards abortion, or worse yet, they feel more impassioned about environmental issues than they do about the loss of life of millions of aborted children througout the world.
  • stubbysue
    '[Climate Change] is analogous to the issue of slavery faced by Abraham Lincoln or the issue of Nazism faced by Winston Churchill. On those kind of issues you cannot compromise. You can’t say let’s reduce slavery, let’s find a compromise and reduce it 50% or reduce it 40%.'

    It is truly a tragic commentary on our nation and us as people when we compare climate change to the issue of slavery and feelt hat there is no "compromies;" yet, in the same breathe, we completely justify abortion and say things like "Don't let the abortion issue hinder health care for all."

    How is it that we care more about environmental issues than abortion? And we dare to say that there is no compromise on environmental issues yet plenty of compromise when it comes to abortion.

    How will we ever justify ourselves to God?

    Environmentalism is truly becoming the new religion of this world.
  • SamHamilton
    I agree with you completely. Al Gore flying around the world in private jets and buying offsets (indulgences) does not in any way negate the theory and science behind man-made global warming.

    I just get a little irritated that some rich and/or powerful people are proposing that we all cut back or, in the extreme, be issued limited personal carbon allowances, when they are not ready to lead by example.
  • squeaky
    Very well, then. I expect to see you coming to the defense of those derided for their acceptance of the evidence supporting climate change, too.
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