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God's Politics

Irrational Exuberance? You Got That Right!

by Chuck Gutenson 12-16-2009

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Of all the Delphic utterances of Alan Greenspan over the course of his time as Fed Chief, his observation that various market investment mechanisms might possibly be overvalued, and thus suggesting that folks might be motivated by an “irrational exuberance,” was my favorite.  Some would say the observation was prescient in light of subsequent events in the global economy.  Of course, the observation that someone is acting with “irrational exuberance” need not be limited to  Greenspan’s application.  I want to explore another, but related, application in the following few paragraphs.  Let me say that I am at least conceptually indebted to Harvey Cox’s well-known essay entitled “The Market as God.”

If there is anything that continues to enjoy a high degree of “irrational exuberance,” it has to be the belief that an unrestrained, free market holds the answer to all of our economic woes and uncertainties.  One would think this would be less the case, given current circumstances.  Even Greenspan commented that his confidence in people doing the right thing in a free market was misplaced.  Yet we continue to hear free market ideologues telling us that if we would but free markets so that they were governed merely by free associations between free individuals, all would be well.  Go figure!

Consider some of the language that free marketers use in regard to the market.  We are told that free, unrestrained markets would just “do the right thing,” that they are able “to determine the correct value for goods and services,” that they will “self correct” when errors occur, and that there is an “invisible hand” that directs markets in wise and beneficent ways.  And, following Cox, consider some of the ways we personify the market (to hear these on a daily basis, pick any financial news show).  We say that the market “liked” or “disliked” certain actions, that the market was “upset” with a particular corporation, and that the market “punished” a corporation for daring to violate one of its self-evidently true principles.  If one ponders these ways of thinking of the market, one has to wonder why in the world Christians would be comfortable with this way of thinking.  After all, some of these concepts, as Cox suggests, are ones that Christians would normally not be inclined to apply to any entity other than God, much less to something as abstract and indeterminate as “the market.”

Perhaps the deepest problem (beyond the minor issue of idolatry!) becomes evident if we take the time to ask exactly what we mean when we deploy the term “the market.”  First, “the market” is merely a rhetorical construct that we use to reference a set of relations that obtain between individuals and groups in a variety of contexts.  Second, since these relationships exist between humans (sinful humans, on Christian accounting), there is no reason to assume that these relations will be carried out in a moral, and more importantly, Christian manner.  Of course, history bears this out. One thinks of the abuses under the laissez faire capitalism of the early 20th century.  Third, we have to recognize that there is an irremedial tension between this exaltation of the market and Christian faith.  At the core, the free market ideologists believe that it is the coming together of persons to engage in free economic relations, each pursuing their own interests, that makes them work in the long run.  However, all of scripture in general and Jesus in particular tell us that, to be imitators of God, we are to be motivated not by our own self-interest, but rather by the interests of others. As long as we intend to be followers of Jesus, we cannot embrace systems that sanctify self-interest.  In fact, some of the church’s great theologians have connected sin most essentially with being motivated by self-interest.  Is it irrational exuberance to put such faith in markets?  You betcha, and it is well time that we Christians stand up and say so!

Chuck Gutenson is the chief operating officer for Sojourners.

Categories: Economics
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  • SamHamilton
    No problem. Perhaps it is a failure of my imagination. Or perhaps I'm just being realistic. I'm all for working towards an economic system that prizes honor and community-mindedness. There's no reason a capitalist system cannot go hand in hand with these things. What you seek is not to discard capitalism, but to change the way we operate within the system.
  • fundamentalist
    I didn't make any comment about what you had read. But those who knew Keynes, especially Hayek who lived with him during the war, knew what he had read and it wasn't Smith.

    I have an MA in economics, but I didn't learn any real economics until I studies the Austrian school, Mises, Hayek, etc.

    I don't see the difference between caring for individuals and caring for the whole nation. Nations are made of individuals. Smith wasn't trying to enrich the state of England, but what we would call the consumers. His book is mainly about alleviating poverty.

    State redistribution of wealth is not the only way to take care of the poor. God gives the primary responsibility to the family and the Church. However, Smith's system of natural liberty, as he called it, has done more to help the poor than all of the charity combined.
  • fundamentalist
    And you think you don't have any answers?
  • BuckeyeDon
    "...there is a continuum between pure capitalism and pure socialism and many combination of the two are possible."

    That, it seems to me, is simply a perpetuation of the false dichotomy--every economic arrangement is either some form of socialism, some form of capitalism, or some combination. What I've been saying is that this is not true. There are economic arrangements that are neither capitalist or socialist in any commonly understood form. Your 'only other option' is certainly not the only other option.

    But I'm not going to waste my time discussing it with you. I'll save my typing fingers for people who don't already think they have all the answers.
  • fundamentalist
    I replied to you earlier when you wrote something similar. As I said before, there is a continuum between pure capitalism and pure socialism and many combinations of the two are possible. The only other option is the traditional economy in which the ruling class just plunders the wealth of the masses at will.
  • BuckeyeDon
    I could ask you the same question. I mean, I'm not sure that you even read what I wrote here, especially my comment that capitalism and socialism aren't the only possible economic arrangements out there.
  • fundamentalist
    I certainly know more about capitalism. Why are you so afraid to learn anything new?
  • BuckeyeDon
    I'm so, so glad you know so much more than the rest of us.
  • fundamentalist
    Capitalism doesn't allow corporate domination, and neo-liberalism is nothing but socialist-lite. I'm sure you don't think you are socialist. But I have tried to point out that your ideas about capitalism came from Marxists first and were adopted by other socialists. They are simply wrong, too. Socialists have no more right to define capitalism than do Muslims to define Christianity. I'm trying to tell you what capitalism is by how capitalists define it. You insist that the only possible definitions are those invented by socialists. That's simply dishonest.

    Besides, if you parrot the definitions, worldview and conclusions of socialism, then why are you ashamed to be called a socialist?
  • BuckeyeDon
    Yeah, we're all a bunch of socialists--sure.

    NOT! If you think we're all socialists, then you simply don't know what socialism is. The term 'socialist' has become an epithet used to attack anyone who disagrees with the right-wing, neo-liberal capitalists. It's convenient to throw the word around without ever defining it.

    Further, as I wrote earlier, you are offering a false dichotomy. Socialism isn't the only alternative to lassiez-faire, corporate-dominated, neo-liberal capitalism, which you apparently favor and for which I see little practical difference from authentic socialism.
  • dlowen
    And did the market speak to you to tell you that Keynes and I have never read Smith? You have no idea whose work I have read nor anything about my understanding of economic theory. I have indeed read Keynes and Smith and Galbraith and Friedman. I also have some fundamental understanding of economic concepts having achieving a Masters in Business Administration from a top 100 university.


    I do feel confident in saying that "The Wealth of Nations" is a flawed work in that it was published in 1776. But I really don't think God much cares about the wealth of nations. I believe he cares about each nation's individual citizens, about each human being. If a nation is wealthy but doesn't care for the least of these, then that nation is indeed poor in God's eyes.

    Do you not know that the sin of Sodom for which God condemned her was not homosexuals (whom you would call dishonest,) but rather an unfair and uncaring economic system. "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:48-50

    Peace of Christmas, Emanuel.
  • fundamentalist
    I'm not sure, but I think you are referring to capitalism as social darwinism? If not, I apologize for the following.

    Herbert Spencer claimed that capitalism was darwinism in action in commerce. He was trying to give scientific respectability to economics at the time, but he was wrong. The type of competition required by darwinism is the exact opposite of that in capitalism. Dawinism is a brutal, winner-take-all, fight to the death. Competition in capitalism is more like that in sports.

    Capitalism requires both competiton and cooperation. The division of labor requires everyone to cooperate because no person or group can be self-sufficient. That cooperation builds civilization. The friendly competition involves not death, but neighborly contest to determine who has the best product or organization, just as teams in sports compete, without killing each other, to demonstrate superiority.

    Honestly, the people who post on this blog are well schooled in socialism. So well that you think it is the only point of view. It wouldn't hurt to learn just a tiny bit about capitalism from capitalists, if for no other reason than to make sure your criticisms were accurate. Most of them are way off base because you don't know anything about capitalism other than what socialists have written. An excellent place to start would be the short videos at fee.org.
  • fundamentalist
    "There is no "free market" since there are numerous barriers to the market and each player seeks to gain advantage by generating market power."

    Market power is very different from state power. Market power cannot force people to buy your products. It can only give you economies of scale. Onlly the state has coercive power. We have very little of the free market left in the US because of state intervention, that much is true.

    "Keynes pointed out the shortcomings of Smith's theories, most importantly that, "in the long run we're all dead."

    Keynes had never read Smith. According to Hayek (who admired Keynes) and others who knew Keynes personally, we was hopelessly ignorant of economics and especially economic history. His statement about being dead in the long run was not a critique of any economic policy; it was just his typical way of dismissing serious objections to his nonsense with flippant remarks. Keynes knew that flippancy always is a better defense than reason.

    "Of course American's worship individualism, which is closely associated with materialism and Adam Smith's invisible hand. "

    I've never know an American who worshipped individualism, and Smith's invisible hand had nothing to do with materialism. You debate like your idol, Keynes, never having read Smith you feel confident in criticizing him.

    You're right, though, the US is so socialistic that I would die if I tried to avoid even a tiny amount of it.
  • fundamentalist
    Of course I do. But where do you draw the line and who has the authority to draw it? It seems to me that is a matter between a believer and God.
  • I am reminded of Walter Wink's maxim: The Powers are Good. The Powers are Fallen. The Powers, they can be redeemed.

    There are things larger than us, though they are composed of many of us.

    But markets are a great testament to how we are to behave and how we do behave can be very different things indeed. Yes, evolution is driven by our own self interest, and the self interest of every organism, and it works. But is this not precisely why that monstrosity of so-called Social Darwinism consistently fails? For Darwinian evolution results in extinction as much as it leads to speciation. Currently 99% of all organisms that ever existed are extinct. And while self-interest might lead to the development of the strongest and fastest and the one with the coolest chemicals, it leads to the deaths as often as it leads to life.

    And do I truly want an edifice of human morality built on the backs of the oppressed? Alone among the animals I have eaten of the Tree of the Knowledge of good and Evil. I know what I do to be wrong or right, where the monkey and the dog and the chameleon and the worm do not. Even if I could create a perfect world, a utopia free of pain and suffering, but it must be done with unimaginable suffering of one unwilling individual, would it be worth it?

    No. Evolution might be a beautiful theory. It might be how the world came into being. It can never be a model for how we should treat our fellow man, our brothers and sisters.
  • dlowen
    The point is that the Bible teaches us to work to provide for our family's physical needs and to share with those who cannot for whatever reason. That is not the basis of our worldly system. The point of that system is to maximize wealth. There is no "free market" since there are numerous barriers to the market and each player seeks to gain advantage by generating market power. Some of these maneuvers are legal and others are not, but without some governing authority intervention, the market would be totally subservient to those who generate the most market power.

    It is inappropriate to slander John Maynard Keynes and claim that being homosexual causes anyone to be dishonest. Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" was a groundbreaking step out of the darkness, but it was only a baby step. Keynes pointed out the shortcomings of Smith's theories, most importantly that, "in the long run we're all dead." Also, previous theory regarding wages was that wages had to be elastic to rise and fall based upon supply and demand just like every other input, and prior to the labor movement, no on much cared if workers earned enough to survive or not.

    Of course American's worship individualism, which is closely associated with materialism and Adam Smith's invisible hand. That philosophy seems miles apart from the Bible's definition of the body comprised of many members. (There are many individual parts, but each plays his part in the function of the whole.)

    But practically, if you disagree with all forms of socialism, then you must not ever drive on a public road, attend or send your children to public schools or universities, cross a bridge, use water unless it comes from your own well or cistern, or accept any other public services.

    Good luck on that.
  • squeaky
    Don't you think there is a huge difference between providing for your family and "buy(ing) more junk or hoard(ing) so we could buy power."?
  • fundamentalist
    "The point was the point of working was to have something to share, not so we could buy more junk or hoard so we could buy power."

    But we're not to feed and clothe ourselves and our families? I'm not accusing you of intending that; I'm just taking your statement literally and to the logical extreme. Of course we are. So what would you call the motivation to take care of yourself and your family that doesn't amount to selfishness? After all, the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and Paul claimed that those who didn't take care of family are worse than infidels. Can you give me a term to use for that motivation and I'll gladly use it.

    "Regarding the very American worship of individualism or "self-interest,"

    There is no one who worships individualism or self-interest. Never has been. Even if you conflate self-interest with selfishness, Adam Smith never promoted, glorified, admired, advocated or in any way recommended selfishness. Not a single pro-free market person since has either. By that, I mean a serious economist. There were some silly poets in the 19th century who did so, but there economic reasoning for it was just as silly. Smith assumed the existence of selfishness, he did not promote it. He asserted that competition within the Dutch system of natural liberty would control mankind's natural selfishness better than could any corrupt bureaucrat or law. That's the only claim he made. Smith did not believe he could change human nature. He only wanted to limit the damage that evil men can cause.

    That said, you would have good grounds for accusing modern mainstream economics of promoting selfishness. I can't give an economics lesson here, but let me say that mainstream economics is nothing but variations on Keynesian economics. Keynes was a socialist and predatory homosexual. I only mention the latter so that you will have some idea of why he was so dishonest. Keynes claimed to save capitalism by having the state intervene in the markets, but his books betray him and make it clear he wanted nothing less than a socialist economy. Mainstream econ today is based on Keynes' socialist ideas. And mainstream econ teaches that people must spend every dime they make plus every dime they can borrow or the economy will crash. They blame the latest crisis on the assumption that Americans quit spending and started saving.

    Economics before Keynes taught a very different story. It taught that economic progress, by which it meant alleviation of poverty, came through savings and investment that would raise wages. That tradition of economics has been carried forward by what is now called Austrian economics. If you want a good intro to Austrian econ, view the videos on the front page of the fee.org site.
  • Agreed. I intended to imply the difference between preventing negative behavior vs. forcing positive behavior. It's one thing to prevent people from harming one another, and ensuring a fair and equitable justice system so that everyone has incentive to play by the same rules. It's quite another to have one bloc of people do something positively (normally giving up their wealth they don't "need" according to the "benevolent" politicians) for somebody else.
  • dlowen
    A few thoughts on responses to my earlier comments: I did not say that we should wait for the ravens to feed us because Jesus said to seek His kindom and God would provide our needs. In fact, the quote was followed with Paul's admonition to work so that we would have something to share with those who had nothing. The point was the point of working was to have something to share, not so we could buy more junk or hoard so we could buy power. (That would be the point of the parable of the hidden talent.)

    Regarding the very American worship of individualism or "self-interest," I believe that falls under the category of "whoever wishes to save his life will lose it." Perhaps the outward actions will be identical to one with his eyes on the creator, but the purpose of the heart makes all the difference.

    My statements about God's economy did not imply that the Bible dictates the establishment of any particular economic system, but rather than being advocates of any particular worldly economic system, we should follow the practices that God has instructed us to follow.

    I don't believe that it is either possible or desirable for men to establish a theocratic government or economic system. I merely believe that a democratic government should be governement "of the people, by the people, and for the people" and therefore reflect our care and concern for one another.

    I thought I'd add a comment on a new theme, regarding who is culpable for corporate "rape, theft, and murder," the corporations whose employees commit them or the countries in which they happen that do not prosecute them. In many cases, the US government has negotiated with the host country that US expatriots will be under US jurisdiction for crimes committed against other US citizens. However, this authority is actually handed over to the offending corporation, as in the case of Jamie Lee Jones. I suppose that to have governmental enforcement of laws against rape and assault would violate the principles of the free market. As
    Senator Jeff Sessions said holding corporations to already established law, "overreached into the private sector" and suggested that it violated the due process clause of the U.S. Constitution.
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