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Gingrich Labels ‘Irreconcilable Wing of Islam’ but Ignores Irascible Christianity

by Melvin Bray 01-05-2010

“‘Tell me what distinguishes the murderer at Fort Hood, the people we arrested in Denver and Detroit and New York, and the five people who were just picked up in Pakistan?’” Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich posed rhetorically in December on Meet the Press. “You could say, ‘Well, they weren’t Rotarians.’  But it would be politically incorrect to describe the one common characteristic they have, which is they all belong to an irreconcilable wing of Islam which wants to destroy our civilization.”

For Mr. Gingrich, this ‘fact’ belies a deeper issue in American politics with self-deception.  “Until we can have an honest conversation and not be self-deceptive about our enemies, it’s pretty hard to design a strategy” for dealing with them. To be fair, this “irreconcilable wing of Islam” was only one among multiple threats identified by Mr. Gingrich, but it was the one he emphasized the most.  He prefaced his remarks by apologizing, “We don’t even have a language … I would describe the irreconcilable wing of Islam, some of my friends would describe Islamists, in large parts of our current culture that’s politically incorrect.”

Mr. Gingrich’s concerns sound reasoned; they sound measured.  The other participants in the panel were drawn in.  No one challenged Mr. Gingrich’s notion, except for Mayor Bloomberg’s brief mention that “most Muslims around the world are God-fearing people just like you and me.”  Still, he let Gingrich’s notion of an “irreconcilable wing of Islam” stand as measured and reasoned.  But I was offended.  Measured disrespect is disrespect no less.  As a follower of God in the way of Jesus, I find it disingenuous and incendiary to speak of an “irreconcilable wing of Islam” without simultaneously confessing the irascible wing of a pro-West Christendom.

Of course there are those who will immediately disagree with this assessment, intimating if not saying openly, “The Muslims attacked us, in the name of their God … If we don’t take the fight to them, they will continue to bring the fight to us … They hate our way of life … ‘Moderate Muslims’ aren’t doing enough to betray the radicals among them … They only understand brute force.”  Such tinderbox irascibility shows itself to be just as irreconcilable when it continues to be the primary reaction of those who pledge allegiance to the Prince of Peace, but devote themselves instantly to ‘just’ war.

What proponents of this way of thinking fail to grasp is that Gingrich’s language is disingenuous because it does not afford Muslims the same protections from linguistic malfeasance that we as self-identifying Christians afford ourselves.  If one were to try to play up direct or indirect ties between domestic terrorists and Christianity, we would immediately draw a bright line differentiating ‘us’ from ‘them,’ even though the Army of God, Lambs of Christ, and other Christian Identity and Christian Patriot activists claim unapologetically religious motives.  We qualify the differences between us and them with adjectives like ‘true’ and ‘real’ and insist on a public rehearsal of our most admirable qualities, yet seldom does this register as insincere or self-serving.

Our ability to disambiguate shows itself even more highly developed when we laud the Christianity of our cultural, political, and historic heroes and leaders while at the same time reserving judgement or rendering neutral their moral shortcomings, even though the cost of those shortcomings is often human lives (consider most recently the internationally illegal act of “preemptive” aggression called the Iraq War).  No matter what our Christianity may cost others, we seem ever capable of delineating our faith from our failures.

[to be continued]

Melvin BrayMelvin Bray (melvinbray.com) is a devoted husband, committed father, learner, teacher, writer, storyteller, purveyor of sustainability, and believer in possibilities. He is a contributing author to the recent compilation Audacity of Faith: Christian Leaders Reflect on the Election of Barack Obama (Judson Press) and an active participant in the Emergent Village.

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  • andrewviertel
    Your example only reinforces my initial point. Yes, Revelation talks about Jesus judging between the saved and the damned, and the damned end up subjected to violence and eternal torment. But just as with the eviction of the money-changers, it is Jesus himself doing the deed under his divine and infallible authority. It is not Jesus' followers who are human and fallible. It's the same reason that the final judgment does not justify the death penalty.
    As for irreconcilable people, there are plenty of people who seem irreconcilable, but with God all things are possible. There may be scenarios that, in our human frailty, we need to disengage from before healing and reconciliation can take place, but it is possible with God. If we believe what The Bible says, the war has already been won, even if that victory is not yet evident. Part of prophetic living is embracing that reality and living in the faith that goodness, love and mercy have already triumphed over evil and hatred.
  • PastorShawn
    You can say that there is a difference between the new and old covenants, and I'd agree with you. But essentially you're also agreeing with me that God has indeed commanded violence, which was the point I was making (taking issue with the persistent tendency at Sojo to remake God into an eternal pacifist). I didn't address the question of "today" or how God calls individual believers to act. Also, though you say the "New Testament is non-violent," the judgment found in the New Testament seems at least as violent as the Old Testament.

    But I still don't see a problem with the word "irreconcilable." Yes, in a sinful, fallen world, not all people want to reconcile. There are irreconcilable people in the world. It seems this blog is upset with Gingrich for simply uttering a truism.
  • PastorShawn
    I actually recently preached Matthew 5:38-48 and I'll preach Jesus' teaching in the Sermon on the Mount strongly. But your response is essentially a straw man. I was responding to the statement that Jesus doesn't command his followers to violence, and my point was that dealing with God's word wholly rather than portions of Scripture in isolation, the statement isn't true.

    There is a cynical thought that I have when I see the "who would Jesus bomb" bumper-stickers. I think to myself, "Its a trick question. People are tempted to say, 'the Canaanites.' The trick part of the question is that the people of God were called to use swords and spears rather than bombs ;)

    Here's why your response is a straw man. There is a difference between me recognizing a truth, that God has commanded violence, both through war-making and capital punishment. Just because I acknowledge that truth, doesn't mean that God is commanding you and me to war-making or capital punishment today.
  • ford49
    Bootedone,
    First of all, I don't hate Newt or neo-conservatives...I just think they are wrong in their assumptions about the world and their their solutions to world problems. Second, the war in Iraq, in my opinion was predicated on a lie, several actually, which I find to be a disservice to the American people and the innocent people of Iraq who died as a result. I hope history will tell us the the deaths of over 4000 Americans was worth the sacrifice...I am not optimistic. Third, I have read the Old Testament, the "Law". I also believe that Jesus was the fulfillment of the Law and Jesus told us to "love your enemies" and "turn the other cheek". I have no problem with war if we in fact are being threatened, e.g., Al Qaeda; Iraq (Saddam Hussein) was not affiliated with Al Qaeda at the war's outset and presented no direct threat to the US. Pre-emptive war in my opinion is a morally bankrupt idea; history is testament to that reality. Lastly, my opinions are not not driven by anger but by the call of Micah 6:8 ("Old Testament") which calls us to "do justice, love mercy and to walk humbly with our God". Bullets will never supplant the Bible as an instrument of peace.
  • thebootedone
    have you read the old testement. God did destroy nations. he did send the isrealites into the promise land and they did have to defeat those their. this doesnt make it right for us today to just claim a land and take it. But the US hasnt done this. The war in Irag wasnt about this. the government is supposed to protect us. and a Preventive strike is in its realm of doing so. Dont know if they did it correctly but to discribe it the way you two do is ignoring an awful lot of info. The whole no war period is silly. And the biggest problem i have is always invoking the "prince of peace" idea. Christ was sent too free us personaly using it for your social justice no war ever idea is wrong teaching. The bible says their is a time for peace and a time for war. I didnt realize God changed over time. whether we get the war right is another issue. I found is post like a rant then an insightful opinion. he seems to have an issue in his heart to deal with that causes him anger. Maybe is hate of Newt or so called neo-conservatives so much used here and put down. nothing like showing ill against others while teaching peace and love. all to often done here.
  • Mennoman
    LOL, Lord Voldemort--- "Jesus strongly recommended". That is hilarious! I will remember Jesus' "strong recommendations" the next time I want to go out and do something clearly contrary to his teaching! Sheesh, and I thought that it was the so-called liberals who were the moral relativists. Thanks for definitively dispelling that mistaken notion!
  • Nathan Bedford
    PastorShawn,

    Please remind me to make sure that I'm "packing" when I visit your church - never know when one might have to kill someone in Jesus name. (Just kidding, but I want no part of the brand of Christianity that you espouse.) my copy of the New Testament includes several passage that begin with "...you have heard it said..." and end with "...but I say..." None of those pasages include an endorsement by Jesus for violence against those who hate us or who persecute us. I think He is grieved that His gospel has been perverted.
  • Christian belief in a God is different from other beliefs because we include Jesus in the equation, and believe he is God.

    I think there is a right way to believe in God, and that belief in a God is not enough. I also think that belief in the one true God is not enough, for even the demons believe that, and shudder. How about you?
  • "we add in a bit, like the Jesus deal,"

    I do not understand this statement. What do you mean by that?

    "not everyone believes the same thing about God."

    Is there a right belief in God? OR is "just" believing in "a" God enough?
  • Well, I don't find the Jesus deal unimportant. I'm sorry that you do.

    But, as I said above, not everyone believes the same thing about God.
  • andrewviertel
    There's plenty of divinely commanded violence in the Old Testament, under the old covenant. The new covenant of the New Testament is non-violent. Jesus is the same in all times, but His relationship to and his expectation of His people is governed by the covenant under which they are living.
  • PastorShawn
    The Bible is full of examples of divinely commanded violence. I realize you are looking at the gospels in isolation, but if Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever, you can't limit yourself to the gospels and make a credible claim that Jesus never commanded violence.
  • PastorShawn
    Usually communication (or effective communication) has a point. Whether I agree or disagree with Sojo posts or not, usually its not difficult to discern the point or thesis of a posting. This is one of those rare instances where I'm not sure what point Bray is making. The intended point (if there is one) seems to find fault with Gingrich's comment, though after reading Bray, I'm not sure what it is about the comment that he finds offensive.
  • "the Jesus deal"

    Yeah...how unimportant.

    Apparently, not all Muslims share your generous orthodoxy.
  • andrewviertel
    Your point is well taken. I would add that this one and only "violent" (not to be confused with confrontational) act of Jesus' entire earthly ministry was committed by Jesus himself, not one of his followers. Accordingly, it was committed by the one person who could be absolutely certain that He was doing the right thing. There's a big difference between God committing an act of righteous violence and a human committing an act that s/he believes is one of "righteous" violence. Given the factor of human fallibility, there is ample scriptural evidence to say that followers of Jesus should err on the side of non-violence.
  • An excellent question. I'd say firstly, no, because Buddhism, in its pure form, has no god, and Hinduism in most forms has many gods. But of course, there are many people who don't practice either belief in the pure form. And then it becomes a matter of how one approaches their God/gods and how they see him. The thing with Judaism, Islam, and Zoroastrianism is not only are they monotheistic, but the way they describe their deity is very similar to the way we would describe him. Yes, we add in a bit, like the Jesus deal, but still we give God the same basic description. Yes, there are differences, in degree, such that a Friend like myself perceives the Trinity as based on consensus and the relationship all important, a particular Baptist might be more literal in her thinking and look at the Trinity as more heirarchical, and further afield a Zoroastrian might see everything as dualistic and equal whereas we don't, and see God as above and more powerful than Satan.

    Thus, like Lewis says in the Horse and His Boy, it is possible to approach another deity (Tash) as if he were the one true God (Aslan), in how we perceive him, and how we approach him. So I think it entirely possible that a Buddhist or Hindu could believe in the same God- but less common by far than a Muslim or Jew or Zoroastrian, who believes in the same God but, in my opinion, believes wrong things about him or approaches him in the wrong way.
  • So...Hinuds? Buddhists?

    Same God?
  • Nathan Bedford
    andrewviertel,

    There's not much I can add to what you've already written. But I would like to focus on this "moneychangers" issue because that's the one area that those who maintain that Christianity embraces violence and agression.

    This single instance involves what is going on in the church - not our relationships with those outside the church. I think that a more literal application of that lesson would be that Jesus Christ is equally disgusted with what today's moneychangers (televangelists - I won't name them but you can easily get a sampling by turning on your TV or radio) are doing to enrich themselves.

    Sorry for the preaching, but it is especially significant to me that this single act of violence was directed at those who would speak for God. It does not support war in general and it particularly does not suport war against those who have not attacked us.
  • PASTOR JEFF
    Christians believe that Jesu is prime-ordinal- the lens through which all prophets are to be interpreted, however.
  • PASTOR JEFF
    Well said, Sam. I agree with Melvin regarding self-identification and respect those who are willing to do so. I too think that that is where healthy conversation can begin.
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