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Let’s Get Theological on Health Care and Warfare

by Jim Wallis 02-26-2010

100226_091022-164-health-careDid you watch any of the health-care summit yesterday in Washington? Guess what? The Republicans and Democrats are divided and likely can’t find any common ground. All the morning press reports suggest that the Democrats may now use the parliamentary procedure known as “reconciliation” to pass a health-care bill with a simple majority and without any Republicans.

Rather than just repeat the arguments I’ve made repeatedly about the critical need for health-care reform in this country, and to include the tens of millions who are currently without health insurance (and sounding like a Democrat to some of you), let’s get theological. Republicans, of course, have also used reconciliation before to pass measures they wanted—like the Bush tax cuts. So, let’s look at that theologically.

First, the tax cuts that George Bush pushed through Congress overwhelmingly benefited the richest people in America—virtually all analysts agree with that fact. But many Americans haven’t really calculated that the cost of those tax cuts for the rich was literally double what health-care reform is projected to cost. Double. Yet, there was not even a mention from Republicans, then or now, about the fiscal cost of such enormous tax cuts for the wealthiest people in America. And now they are doing everything they can to stoke public outrage about the cost of health-care reform (even though the Congressional Budget Office says the President’s proposal will likely reduce the deficit by $100 billion over the next decade). How does that square with the biblical emphasis on the priority of the poor? There is simply no way to justify the habitual behavior of the current Republican party’s clear preference for the rich over everybody else. Probably my best friend in the Congress was Republican Senator Mark Hatfield. The current Republican Party is a very different one than it was in Hatfield’s time. I know he would not have liked the “theology” of his party today.

Second, the largest single government discretionary expense is for the military, for fighting wars. Military spending is also, historically, the most wasteful form of government spending with cost overruns, fiscal abuse, political corruption, and shameful pork barrel interests all part of standard operating procedures. So why is there a continual refusal from Republicans to apply their concerns about waste, fraud, and abuse about government expenditures to those expenditures? How does that square with the biblical call to peacemaking and the Christian doctrine that is, at least, suspicious of war as the answer to the problems of human conflict, which should either be outright rejected or very reluctantly accepted as an absolute last resort? There is simply no possible biblical mandate for giving the military a blank check as the current Republicans almost always do now. Again, this would have been bad theology for the evangelical Mark Hatfield, who courageously opposed the war in Vietnam.

This morning, I thankfully boarded a train from Los Angeles to San Diego to finish the last leg of my book tour. In the train station were mostly low- to moderate-income people—who travel a lot by train. As I looked into their faces, it struck me that the current Republican Party is mostly against spending government money that would benefit them, but it has no problem running up enormous deficits when the money is going to the rich or to war. And that is simply not a tenable theological position from a biblical point of view.

Certainly, there are different and legitimate points of view among Christians and others about how best to fix the broken health-care system, and there is no theological mandate supporting only one set of policy options. But the Republican alternative ideas for health-care reform would cover only 3 million more people, unlike the President’s plan which covers ten times that many—30 million people. Again, how is that justifiable from a Christian perspective?

Of course, the Democratic proposals fall far short of what a genuine and comprehensive reform of our very broken health care system would look like—much shorter than their term “less than perfect.” Their current proposals are, at best, “less bad” than the Republicans’, because they are also in bed with wealthy and powerful special interests.

But the Republicans are not being truthful here. They are not really against government spending and for fiscal responsibility. They simply think the government should in its tax, spending, and regulatory policies do all it can to benefit the rich over low- and middle-income people, and to uncritically support the business of war. Again, there is just no way to theologically defend that commitment. Sorry. I am making that as a theological statement and not just as a politically partisan one. Anyone care to provide a theological foundation for the Republican policy preferences for the rich and for war? I would really like to see it.

portrait-jim-wallisJim Wallis is the author of Rediscovering Values: On Wall Street, Main Street, and Your Street — A Moral Compass for the New Economy, CEO of Sojourners and blogs at www.godspolitics.com.

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  • "Let's get theological on...warfare."

    When the soldiers asked John the Baptist, “And what shall we do?” he replied, “Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.” Since they could not remain soldiers and practice nonviolence, this passage suggests he told them to put down their weapons and seek a peaceful profession.

    Jesus, in his Sermon on the Mount, said: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.” (Matthew 5:9) Expressing concern for God’s children, he said, “Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake; for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

    “In concrete and vivid precepts,” writes Professor G.J. Heering in The Fall of Christianity, “the Sermon on the Mount set forth the character and conduct of those who really follow Jesus: of those who may really be called God’s children; of those who shall submit to the rule of God, of those who shall enter His Kingdom; in short, of true Christians: the pure in heart, the meek, the peacemakers, those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, and are willing to suffer for its sake. They are the salt of the earth and the light of the world.

    "And then follow the commandments; ‘Ye shall keep yourselves from killing but also from revenge. And in place of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, resist not that which is evil; but whosoever smiteth thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.’ Can one find one little implication in these words that does not plead for peace or that does not shrink from violence in every degree or form?

    “Jesus does not give detached commands. He brings you whole being and doing and suffering under the compulsion of one single principle. ‘Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine enemy, but i say unto you: love your enemies, do good to them that hate you, bless them that curse you, pray for them that despitefully use you and persecute you: that ye may be sons of your Father which is in heaven.’ (Matthew 5:43-45; Luke 6:27-38)

    “’Love even your enemy!’ This is the highest demand that can ever be made. This love of enemy is not just one virtue among many, but the fairest flower of all human conduct.

    “It is recognized that these commands though lay stress on the inward disposition and have not the force of law, were certainly meant as concrete instructions for the followers of Jesus. They had to be obeyed. Their carrying out was counted on. Behind these injunctions, which admit no cleavage between conduct and character, stands the newly sent Ambassador of God with His ‘But I say unto you.’

    “Not only the war of aggression but also defensive warfare is ruled out by the Sermon on the Mount...the gospel condemns war...We have primarily to recognize, however hard it may be to do so, that the waging of war has no place in the moral and spiritual teachings of Jesus.

    “Hippolytus, second century Christian father and historian, wrote what he considered the Apostolic tradition and so the authentic Christian teaching, maintained, that when he applied for admission to the Christian fellowship, a solider must refuse to kill men, even if he were commanded by his superiors to do so and also must not take an oath.

    “Justin Martyr, the principle apologist of the early Church (Cir. AD 150) writes that:

    “’Christians seek no earthly realm, but a heavenly, and that this will be a realm of peace. The prophecy of Isaiah—that swords shall be beaten into plowshares and spears to pruning hooks begins to find fulfillment in the missions of Christians. For we refrain from the making of war on our enemies, but gladly go to death for Christ’s sake. Christians are warriors of a different world, peaceful fighters. For Caesar’s soldiers possess nothing which they can lose more precious than their life, while our love goes out to that eternal life which God will give.’”

    The apostle Paul taught that Christian warfare is spiritual. (Romans 13:12) According to Professor Heering: “Origen, the great Christian father of the second century, would hear nothing of earthly military service: he regarded it as wholly forbidden:

    “’We Christians no longer take up sword against nation, nor do we learn war any more, having become children of peace for the sake of Jesus who is our leader. We do not serve as soldiers under the Emperor, even though he requires it.

    “’Persons who possess authority to kill, or soldiers, should not kill at all, even when it is commanded of them. Every one who receives a distinctive leading position, or a magisterial power, and does not clothe himself in the weaponlessness of which is becoming to the Gospel, should be separated from the flock.’”

    Although he was the son of a military officer, the early Christian father Tertullian (AD 200) was opposed to militarism and violence. Professor Heering observes: “The question Tertullian faces is not whether a Christian may be a soldier, but even whether a soldier may be allowed within the Church. He answers ‘No.’ The soldier who becomes a Christian ought to leave the army. ‘One soul cannot be true to two lords—God and Caesar. How shall a Christian man wage war; nay, how shall he even be a soldier in peace time, without the sword, which the Lord has taken away?--for in disarming Peter he ungirded every soldier.’”

    The great Church father Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, denounced war and wrote:

    “The whole earth is drenched in adversaries’ blood, and if murder is committed, privately it is a crime, but if it happens with State authority, courage is the name for it: not the goodness of the cause, but the greatness of the cruelty makes the abominations blameless.”

    Attacking even capital punishment, Cyprian wrote: “Christians are not allowed to kill, it is not permitted to guiltless to put even the guilty to death.”

    The Christian writer Lactantius of Bithinia wrote about the Sixth Commandment (“Thou shalt not kill”) as follows:

    “When God prohibits killing, he not only forbids us to commit brigandage, which is not allowed even by public laws, but he warns us not to do even those things which are legal among men. And so it will not be lawful for a just man to serve as a soldier for justice itself is his military service, nor to accuse anyone of a capital offense, because it makes no difference whether they kill with a sword or with a word, since killing itself is forbidden.”

    Erasmus, a fifteenth century Christian father, scholar and theologian, considered it a sacrelige for a soldier to stitch the cross on his standard. “The cross,” he said, “is the banner and standard of Him who has overcome and triumphed, not by fighting and slaying, but by His own bitter death. With the cross do ye deprive the life of your brother, whose life was rescued by the cross?

    "O, you cruel, shameless lips: how dare ye call Father whilst ye rob your brother of Life?

    “’Hallowed by Thy name’: how can the name of God be more dishonored than by war?

    “’Thy kingdom come’: will ye pray thus while ye scraple at nought and shrink from no bloodshed, however great?

    “’Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven’: God desires peace and ye make war.

    "Ye pray your common Father for daily bread, and meantime ye burn all your brother’s rye and corn.

    "How shamefully will ye say: ‘Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them who trespass against us, while ye desire nothing else but to slay and to do mischief.

    “Ye pray that ye may not come into danger or temptation and ye lead your brother into every sort of danger and temptation.”

    In her 1991 essay, “The Bible and Peace and War,” Ursula King asks, “how are we to explain that Jesus, the founder of Christianity, is often called ‘the Prince of Peace’ and yet Western civilization so deeply shaped by the Christian story which is clearly pacifist in origin and essence, has become so militaristic from an early stage in its history?”

    King quotes Christian pacifist John Ferguson from his 1977 study War and Peace in the World’s Religions:

    “The historic association of the Christian faith with nations of commercial enterprise, imperialistic expansion and technological advancement has meant that Christian peoples, although their faith is one of the most pacifistic in its origins, have a record of military activity second to none.”

    According to King, “In the early Church, pacifism was the dominant position up to the reign of Constantine, when Christianity became a state religion. Until then no Christian author approved of Christian participation in battle, whereas in AD 314 the Council of Arles decreed that Christians who gave up their arms in time of peace should be excommunicated.”

    In Theology and Social Structure, Robin Gill has written:

    “The situation of the pre-Constantinian church appears all the more remarkable when it is realised that no major Christian church or denomination has been consistently pacifist since Constantine. Indeed, Christian pacifism has been largely confined to a small group of sects, such as the Quakers, Anabaptists, Mennonites, Brethren and Jehovah’s Witnesses. Further, pacifists within the churches, as distinct from sects, have in times of war been barely tolerated by their fellow Christians.”

    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. once said that in today’s world the choice is either nonviolence or nonexistence.
  • sam80
    Mr. Wallis,

    Just like you can find any biblical verses to justify your support of being against the War on Terrorism by calling it a peacemaking, any Republican supporter, or non-Republican, can use the Bible to justify his support for this war. For example, any supporter of the War on Terrorism, can use Matthew 10:34-39. So, that will make you lose your argument.

    Also, thanks to yours and other liberal Christians' influence, majority of people have voted for President Obama, who is not doing peacemaking, but trying to appease America's enemies, Muslim fundamentalists, just like Neville Chamberlain along with the approval of Roosevelt was appeasing the Nazis in the 1930s. Both of these groups, were and are against the freedom that Jesus and the apostles have preached about, and God is watching...

    Your constant bashing of Republicans in the name of Christ is as bad as Tony Perkins's constant bashing of Democrats also done in the name of Christ. It makes me see you both as weak spiritual leaders.
  • prgrs_ev
    Point taken. I responded form my email account and I did not see the thread. With regards to reconciliation...we will see...
  • Agjosh
    Umm...did you read this article? It is clearly written by someone from the religious left. That someone chose to put the word "theology" in the headline and then write a political paper. I actually tried to separate the two out in my post and addressed them separately. But let's be 100% clear: I am not the one confused here. I did not write this article and try to combine politics and theology. I simply have tried to show that the article did not achieve it's goal of being theological and then to discuss whether or not government/politics and theology were the same. Reread my posts throughout this string and you will clearly see that I do not believe the two are the same.
  • prgrs_ev
    We will have to see if the legal argument is cogent and your political argument will rest on that outcome.  And for the record politics is not theology, something that the religious right has consistently confused as you have.
  • Agjosh
    But you said earlier that socialized health care would bring the cost per person down. Mass. is not higher because of insurance companies, it is higher because it adopted socialized health care for its residents!!! Yet another illogical statement.
  • Agjosh
    Politically speaking you are wrong. This bill does not qualify for reconciliation and this has been stated by individuals on both sides of the aisle as well as several individuals from the justice department - you know, the one's who actually are supposed to say if it fits or not.
    More amazing though is that on a blog posing as a theological discussion, you just advocated the ends justifying the means, comparative morality, and wrong returned for wrong. How very theologically astute of you!! I'm sure that is what Jesus meant with the whole turn the other cheek thing.
  • Agjosh
    TO continue this discussion with you is fruitless. You make wild claims based on personal opinions, but you cannot back a single claim you make with a piece of evidence. For example, you state it is cheaper for government to run programs than private enterprise. That is simply wrong. You cannot show one study to back this claim. here are some examples where you are wrong: Job creation - the private sector average cost to create 1 new job is around 35,000 dollars - the government cost to create the same type job is over 200,000 dollars. While government postal services pricing continues to rise even while subsidized by tax dollars, private postal services offer higher levels of service for similar pricing and make a profit. The same is true of transportation.
    You say "we are the government"...well, then why are we even discussing this? Not one poll shows that the majority of Americans favor the current proposed health care change.
    As to a comparison of healthcare quality between America in other countries, again, every study shows you are wrong. Not to mention, numerous headlines share stories that illustrate this point. The prime minister in Canada needs surgery and choses to leave his country and go to New York to get the procedure done. Same with key leaders from Germany. If the politicians and leaders from these other countries are openly discouraging America from moving in this direction, shouldn't we heed their warning?
  • Patricia
    I understand hermeneutics just fine - my church has about 2000 years of hermeneutics under its belt :). And my church is just fine with government involvement in helping the poor and the sick. We have never had the focus on individualism that some denominations later adopted. Not every Christian denomination "deduces" the same message you do from scripture.

    Jesus called his followers together from the beginning as a community. They lived together. They traveled together. They believed together. They huddled together in a room after the crucifixion, and they received the Holy Spirit together in that room.

    One of the first things the apostles did was establish a formal mechanism to attend to the needs of widows, orphans and the poor. The community pooled their resources in common and the needs were taken care of from this common pool. Individuals gave their money to the group, and the group dispensed it. That's quite clear in the Acts of the Apostles.

    Our government is us. It's the mechanism we use to address the needs of our national community. Just as the early church chose to establish an entity to address the needs of those less fortunate in the church community, we may choose to use the entity of our government to address the members of our national community. There is no theological proscription from doing so.

    Your contention regarding private enterprise providing any service for less than government is simply not true - the nations with government-administered health care spend HALF what we do, and their populations are healthier - how do you explain that?

    The countries who have government-administered health care have had cost increases, but theirs have been a fraction of what ours have been. If you are going to look at the problems they have, you have to also look at the problems WE have. Ours are much more severe. We have millions of people without access, we spend twice as much as the other nations do, and we are not as healthy as they are. Those are facts.

    "Adequate" was a poor choice of words - I meant it in the sense that everyone is covered, VS our inadequate system that leaves millions without care.

    Germany. There are others, but you asked me to name one :).

    How would you reconcile your claim of "significant decline in health care quality, research, and ease of access" with the fact that the populations of every one of those countries are healthier than ours is? You don't get healthy populations with low-quality health care. Research takes place in those nations just as it does in ours - mostly through government-funded programs, also just like in ours.

    It is true that for some non-critical specialist care people in other countries have to wait longer than we do, but when people are sick, they have comparable ease of access to doctors and care - I've lived in several of those countries and I've experienced health care in those countries - the access argument is greatly overblown.

    My argument is not "ludicrous" - there is neither a prescription nor a proscription in the scriptures for using government to address the needs of the poor, there are examples of both individuals and groups addressing these needs in the scripture, and many Christian denominations find those group examples to be evidence that government can be a valid mechanism for addressing those needs. I believe your interpretation in favor of strictly individual action is flawed and incorrect.

  • Patricia
    Which is exactly why we need Medicare for Everyone - get those insurance corporations out of our health care :)!
  • fundamentalist
    Massachusetts shows us the future of health care:

    “…average Massachusetts insurance premiums are now the highest in the nation. Since 2006, they've climbed at an annual rate of 30% in the individual market. Small business costs have increased by 5.8%. Per capita health spending in Massachusetts is now 27% higher than the national average, and 15% higher even after adjusting for local wages and academic research grants. The growth rate is faster too.”

    From http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2010/03/the_road_to_hea.html
  • jesse3
    Mennoman,
    Zing! Now you're engaging! My idea of engagement involves acknowledging arguments that the other side is making and addressing them. Let's act like adults, please.
  • Agjosh
    You are politically naive at best and theologically unsound for certain. If you want this to be a political discussion (though you may try to make it seem otherwise by touring "morality"), then you must first start at what are the real issues. Is it the quality of healthcare in the US? Not even remotely. We have the highest quality of health care in the world. Is it access to health care? Not even remotely. Any person can get emergency health care in America on equivalent or faster time frames than any other country in the world. Is it access to "preventative" health care? Yes, this is an issue at times. Why is it an issue? Check the next question - Is the issue the cost of health care in America? DING DING - Tell 'em what they've one Johnny!!! The cost is the issue and the cause of the high cost is primarily insurance rates paid by doctors!! The in turn pass these rates on to their clients, but since the insurance companies stand in that arena as well, they make money coming and going. How do you change it? Limit compensatory and punitive damages so that all insurance costs are driven down. Who is blocking that? Democrats.
    Theologically speaking, you fail to make one single salient point. You speak with great emotion and even throw in some firey language and @$#%$ along the way....but in the end, you said nothing theological and gave zero biblical support. You simply rant, point fingers, and call names. You judge and admit that you do so proudly. How dare you question the hearts of those who view life and politics differently from you? Can there be anything more unChristian than to call out your brother and sisters in Christ without one shred of scripture, but rather based solely on personal opinion? America is not perfect and neither are many of its middle and upper class Christians. But, we have done more to aid those with disease, famine, and tragedy from all corners of the world than all the other countries combined!! And when I say we, I don't mean the US government...I mean private citizens and churches. I have the view I have not because I am wealthy, but because I have had the honor to watch Godly men and women take massive percentages of what God blessed them with and give it away to those in need. I have seen them give of their time, seen them sell houses and cars, watched them pass up on profits that could be gained immorally...and do it all for the glorious cause of Christ. What have you done? Seriously. Other than ridicule and tear down, what have you accomplished? I admire your passion. I am thankful that you care. Do something constructive with that energy. Do something where you have a personal stake in the game instead of having the government take more money from your paycheck. Let's all do something that builds His kingdom and brings Him glory - that flows from the overflow of our hearts. I don't want the government involved because I don't want them taking the glory....I want to see Him get it all!!! You may disagree, But for the sake of His kingdom, take the words of Francis di Assissi to heart - "Preach the gospel, and if you must, use words."
  • Agjosh
    No doubt, Christ does not prohibit using the government as a tool to help the poor. However, He does speak numerous times about individuals helping the poor directly and from the overflow of the heart. Theologically speaking, we can then deduce that this is His message. You will struggle to find any theologian that does not believe that one of the guiding hermeneutical requirements for scriptural interpretation is the "overall weight of scripture". My position is backed by scripture - yours adds to scripture.
    To take this discussion then to practical terms such as stewardship. Generally speaking, private enterprise can provide any good or service for half the price of government provision. Not only is the cost lower, but the quality is generally also higher. In keeping with your argument that scripture doesn't prevent using the government for such plans, it (scripture) does call for us to be good financial stewards. Thus, from a theological perspective, government provision has yet another loss.
    As to other industrialized nations and their programs - you use the word "adequate"...I don't think we should settle for "adequate" but should strive for excellent. Again, this is also a biblically and theologically supported position (which was the platform this article attempted/claimed to discuss the issue on). Furthermore, you cannot site one country that has adopted government run healthcare and not had 1. significant financial problems with the program and 2. significant decline in health care quality, research, and ease of access.
    Finally, you state that my "contention is "conservative" political thinking - NOT Christian theological thinking." However, I have given numerous biblical foundations for my position(s). You have provided not one single biblical or theological support or opposing view. Instead, you have chosen to use an illogical case that is not even allowed in the most elementary of logic or debate classes. By asserting that if something is not expressly prohibited means that it is therefore expressly allowed is ludicrous. Such a stance opens the proverbial pandora's box to any solution, regardless of how ridiculous or vile, so long as Christ did not expressly say not to pursue that course.
  • Patricia
    Nice how you always manage to leave human rights abuses, political repression, the fact that rural Chinese are still pretty much in the same boat they always were, and the fact that quite a large number of those "miraculous" success stories are right back in the countryside scraping by as poor as ever, now that the market for their products has crashed.
  • Patricia
    Show me one scriptural place where Christ says we CAN'T use government to help the poor. You can't do it. So, theologically speaking, we ARE free to use the tool of government - because that's all government is - a tool society uses to organize and to attend to the common needs of the people - to help the poor.

    We also have a responsibility to use our blessings in an efficient manner. If a tax-supported system is the best way to provide health care to all Americans, then we should use that system.

    We have the examples of every other industrialized nation on the planet providing clear evidence that government-administered systems provide adequate health care to all their citizens.

    We have the examples of every other industrialized nation on the planet providing clear evidence that government-administered systems provide universal health care at HALF THE COST, OR LESS, than we spend on a system that leaves millions without access.

    To continue to insist that a government-administered system must be wrong simply because it IS a government-administered system is blatantly false. To insist that we are scripturally prohibited from using government to address our health care needs is blatantly false, also. That contention is "conservative" political thinking - NOT Christian theological thinking.

  • nancyv
    The "Chinese Miracle" ..... wealthy capitalists pay for cheap labor, sell their goods to the west at inflated prices. Isn't China still a Communist country? Isn't that why the US has been opposed to China? So, you are saying that the greatness of the United States is not that we are a Democracy, but that we are Capitalist nation. What then, makes us different from China?
  • fundamentalist
    In the 1960's, 30 million Chines starved to death thanks to their brand of socialism. In the past 30 years, 300 million people have been lifted from starvation to relative affluence. It would be comical if it weren't so tragic the way the left trashes this miracle. The left ignores the miracle and complains that it wasn't accomplished in the right way or it hasn't turned China into their image of the perfect society. Reminds me of the way the Pharisees always had something to complain about Jesus's miracles: "Nice miracle healing that lame man, but you fouled out when you did it on the Sabbath. Sorry1 We have to kill you."
  • fundamentalist
    Algalg, your questions are getting too deep for a blog. These aren’t easy issues, as you know.

    “I'm not sure justice is treating everyone the same.”

    You’re right, but justice encompasses fairness. If the state treats people differently based on wealth or status, then it is being unfair, and therefore unjust. And when someone is treated unfairly, or wronged, then justice requires correcting that wrong, as you wrote.

    “…government really does have some claim on our money?”

    Yes, government does have claim to some of our money. How much is the debate. And it’s a long debate. Recall that God told Samuel to go ahead and anoint a king over Israel. He warned the people that the kings would oppress and abuse them with war and high taxes. Taxes under the judges had been pretty light and consisted mostly of tithes to the temple. Allowing Israel to have a king was God’s way of punishing them for rejecting him. As Paul wrote in Romans, he let them have their way, which can be the worst form of judgment.

    Jesus’ statement wasn’t meant to be state policy. He was giving directions to individuals on person piety. And as Xfree9 wrote, he was deflecting the question from the Pharisees without getting distracted from his main point. It’s also interesting to note that Roman coins portrayed the Caesar as a god to be worshipped. My own take on Jesus’ statement is that he wanted people to be less concerned with material things (which consumed the scribe and Pharisees) and more with spiritual things, which is consistent with his whole ministry. Telling them to give Caesar what is Caesar’s can mean to not take money so seriously and to give Caesar the money with his image on it but don’t give him the worship that the image demands.


    The Spanish scholastics of the 16th century began the modern debate when the Spanish king started raising taxes to fulfill his whims. Some of those church scholars went to prison for criticizing the king. The consensus among church scholars was that the king had the right to tax the people for legitimate government expenses, but anything more was theft. Then the debate shifted to what are legit state expenses and what is the role of the state. The Protestant Reformation intensified the debate because Catholic kings were murdering Protestants and Christians wanted to understand how far they had to go in obeying the state. By the time of Locke, the consensus was that the state’s role was to protect life, liberty and property (Jefferson changed the formula to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whatever that means). Locke didn’t invent the idea; he just put it into a pithy phrase. And when interpreting “life, liberty and property” we need to look at how church scholars meant the phrase and not interpret it in the way we would like it to mean today.

    I don’t think exact lines can be drawn concerning the state’s legit role, but the consensus of Christian scholars until the 20th century was that if the state collects taxes above that needed for its legit role then it commits theft, even if the state is a democracy, because the state is not above the laws of God.

    Of course God commands Christians to help the poor. An important point to consider in helping the poor is that in Biblical times charity was the only way to help the poor. There was no other way. That didn’t change until the advent of capitalism in the 16th century. With capitalism, two ways opened up: 1) reducing the costs of goods, especially food, through greater productivity and 2) creating jobs through investment in manufacturing. Our public education system fails greatly by not making clearer how dramatically things changed in the 16th century. What happened in Europe, first in the Dutch Republic, then in England/US, then the rest of Western Europe, was not unlike the miracle in China over the past 30 years, though it took longer back then. In fact, public education portrays the industrial revolution as a disaster. Charles Dickens contributes a lot to that image. In fact, the industrial revolution was very much like China’s rise from starvation to affluence.
  • fundamentalist
    That's simply not true about China. Of course, those in the upper echelons of the Communist party always did well, but in the past 30 years over 300 million Chinese has been lifted from starvation to prosperity. It amazes me that people so claim to want to help the poor do nothing but trash the greatest poverty relief program in the history of mankind. China is a miracle by any standard of measurement. Just 40 years ago 30 million Chinese starved to death and some survived only by cannibalism. But all the left can do is trash the Chinese miracle because it wasn't done by means of socialism or charity. In fact, socialims caused the starvation. Slightly freer markets caused the prosperity.

    Capitalism is not Capitalism is "everyman for himself" and "I've got mine, the heck with you". Those are socialist lies. Capitalism requires cooperation because it promotes the division of labor. And that cooperations builds civilization. Capitalism has not changed since Adam Smith defined it and you won't find anything in Smith's writings that promote Capitalism "everyman for himself" and "I've got mine, the heck with you". In fact, it's just the opposite.
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