Get E-Mail Updates

An Atheist's Praise of Evangelism in Africa

Matthew Parris is a self-confessed atheist, but he writes with extraordinary candor and insight about the role of faith in social transformation in a recent Times article. He explains,

Related Reading

Take Action on This Issue

Tell the Senate: Don't Cut International Aid

Please join us in telling the Senate: Protect foreign aid programs that help the poor and the needy. 

Now a confirmed atheist, I've become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and international aid efforts. These alone will not do. Education and training alone will not do. In Africa Christianity changes people's hearts. It brings a spiritual transformation. The rebirth is real. The change is good.

He used to say, "... if faith was needed to motivate missionaries to help, then, fine: but what counted was the help, not the faith." But now he believes otherwise. Reflecting on his experiences with Africans over 45-plus years, he confesses,

Far from having cowed or confined its converts, their faith appeared to have liberated and relaxed them. There was a liveliness, a curiosity, an engagement with the world -- a directness in their dealings with others -- that seemed to be missing in traditional African life. They stood tall.

There was

... something in their eyes, the way they approached you direct, man-to-man, without looking down or away. They had not become more deferential towards strangers -- in some ways less so -- but more open.... What they were was ... influenced by a conception of man's place in the Universe that Christianity had taught.

He explains,

There's long been a fashion among Western academic sociologists for placing tribal value systems within a ring fence, beyond critiques founded in our own culture: "theirs" and therefore best for "them"; authentic and of intrinsically equal worth to ours.

I don't follow this. I observe that tribal belief is no more peaceable than ours; and that it suppresses individuality. People think collectively; first in terms of the community, extended family and tribe. This rural-traditional mindset feeds into the "big man" and gangster politics of the African city: the exaggerated respect for a swaggering leader, and the (literal) inability to understand the whole idea of loyal opposition.

Anxiety -- fear of evil spirits, of ancestors, of nature and the wild, of a tribal hierarchy, of quite everyday things -- strikes deep into the whole structure of rural African thought. Every man has his place and, call it fear or respect, a great weight grinds down the individual spirit, stunting curiosity. People won't take the initiative, won't take things into their own hands or on their own shoulders.

Then he concludes,

Christianity ... with its teaching of a direct, personal, two-way link between the individual and God, unmediated by the collective, and unsubordinate to any other human being, smashes straight through the philosphical/spiritual framework I've just described. It offers something to hold on to to those anxious to cast off a crushing tribal groupthink. That is why and how it liberates.

Those who want Africa to walk tall amid 21st-century global competition must not kid themselves that providing the material means or even the know-how that accompanies what we call development will make the change. A whole belief system must first be supplanted.

And I'm afraid it has to be supplanted by another. Removing Christian evangelism from the African equation may leave the continent at the mercy of a malign fusion of Nike, the witch doctor, the mobile phone and the machete.

In my book Everything Must Change, I use the term "framing story" for what Parris calls a "belief system" -- giving us our sense of our place in the universe, liberating us from various forms of crushing tribal or geo-political groupthink. Parris is right: if you want to help people be liberated from a destructive belief system or framing story (and I believe certain versions of Christianity present some scary and unhelpful twists -- all aren't equally liberating because all aren't equally true), you can't simply eliminate it. You have to replace it with something better.

And, of course, what's true for rural Africa is equally true for the urban West. Take away Jesus' radically transforming good news of the kingdom of God and we may find ourselves at the mercy of a malign fusion of the military-industrial complex, the slick politician and televangelist, the carbon-based economy, and the nuclear bomb.

Brian McLarenBrian McLaren (brianmclaren.net) is a speaker and author, most recently of Everything Must Change and Finding Our Way Again.

Sojourners relies on the support of readers like you to sustain our message and ministry.

by: Hannity2

01-06-2009 @ 6:28pm

"I've become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and international aid efforts. These alone will not do. Education and training alone will not do. In Africa Christianity changes people's hearts. It brings a spiritual transformation. The rebirth is real. The change is good."

It can be seen from this what people need is CHRIST. Government programs don't cut it. As Christians we need to help the poor not only by providing food and water....but giving them the bread of life and the water that makes them thirst no more. Government programs can't do this. Only the church can.

by: neuro_nurse

01-06-2009 @ 6:58pm

I spent a year volunteering in a part of Ethiopia where the majority of the population is Orthodox Christian, but the health and economic indices are among the worst in the world.

Both governmental and non-governmental programs, despite their failings, do save lives. The Bread of Life won't make respiratory infections and diarrhea (the two major causes of mortality in children under 5 years of age) go away, but those of us who have been called to serve as health care professionals in the developing world can work to alleviate some of the disease burden.

by: grahamseel

01-08-2009 @ 9:41pm

I think some of us struggle with questions like this because in a Western culture still dominated by Enlightenment individualistic thinking, we don't understand the Bible's paradoxical tension and interdependence between individual and community. I reacted similarly to Parris' comment, but think the "collective" against which he is reacting is different from the "community" of God's people. Perhaps there is a richness in adoption of Christianity by a culture that has a taste of community interdependence that will allow the relationship between individual and community and God to be more Biblical than I fear is the case for most of us.

Another example of where those of us in the West/North need to learn from newer Christian communities. I thank God that we're starting to see missionaries being sent us!

by: Hannity2

01-06-2009 @ 7:49pm

I didn't say all government problems were bad. What I am saying is as Christians our FIRST concern has to be people's souls. Which is exactly what Jesus talked about when he called himself the bread of life.

Am I concerned for someone with an infection or diarrhea.....absolutely. Am I MORE concerned about people dying and going to hell. YES. What a tragedy is while we pat ourselves on the back for reducing someone's suffering we neglect to share with them the Gospel and how to solve their problem of being separated from God.

by: neuro_nurse

01-06-2009 @ 8:05pm

If God has called you to missionary work in the developing world, you have my blessing.

Reducing physical and emotional suffering is sharing the Gospel.

"Preach the Gospel; if necessary, use words." St. Francis of Assisi

by: Hannity2

01-07-2009 @ 4:39pm

I am sure they do have different perspectives. They would only be natural. However, all the missionaries that I know and support have the primary passion of leading people to a relationship with Jesus Christ. Meeting their physical needs is just a step to what they need even more which is Christ. Otherwise they are not missionaries, but humanitarian workers.

by: Palosaari

01-06-2009 @ 11:33pm

Huh. The thing I *love* about Christianity is the focus on the collective, where you can only truly know God through the collective.

by: neuro_nurse

01-07-2009 @ 6:09pm

Let's just be realistic and not reduce the needs of the impoverished to platitudes.

by: Hannity2

01-06-2009 @ 11:40pm

actually what God has called me to do is support those who do missionary work both abroad, and in the inner city, while influencing those in the suburbs where I live on a personal basis.

by: neuro_nurse

01-07-2009 @ 12:06am

I have found that missionaries who have served for a considerable amount of time in developing countries often have perspectives and opinions that are very different from the people back in the states that support them.

by: carlcopas

01-07-2009 @ 8:35pm

"Am I MORE concerned about people dying and going to hell. YES."

Interesting. Jesus rarely talked about people dying and going to Hell. But he did talk a lot about the Kingdom of God in which you should love your neighbor as you love yourself through concrete actions sch as physical healing.

by: neuro_nurse

01-07-2009 @ 10:20pm

That sounds like salvation though works! What are ya, Catholic now?

You're a good man Carl.

by: churchlady

01-07-2009 @ 10:33pm

I think I missed something again.

by: carlcopas

01-08-2009 @ 12:48am

"No man is good except God." But it's nice of you to say so, neuro.

I'm catholic, small "c." :)

by: Hannity2

01-07-2009 @ 4:39pm

I am sure they do have different perspectives. They would only be natural. However, all the missionaries that I know and support have the primary passion of leading people to a relationship with Jesus Christ. Meeting their physical needs is just a step to what they need even more which is Christ. Otherwise they are not missionaries, but humanitarian workers.

by: neuro_nurse

01-07-2009 @ 6:09pm

Let's just be realistic and not reduce the needs of the impoverished to platitudes.

by: neuro_nurse

01-05-2009 @ 7:03pm

The problems of sub-Saharan Africa and other developing countries are extremely complex, and while ill-conceived foreign aid from secular organizations has at some times contributed to the problems in the developing world, well-meaning Christians have also damaged societies, environments, and economies (prime example: AIDS orphanages).

While I don't disagree with Parris, we need to be careful about simplifying the problems and offering myopic solutions.

This Christmas my very conservative Baptist pastor father-in-law gave me a book that was recommended to him by the president of a theological university. Needless to say, I was more than a little skeptical when I opened the book but, so far, I've found it to be well balanced, relatively short and easy to read, and, for the most part, apolitical:

"The Bottom Billion: Why the poorest countries are failing and what can be done about it" by Paul Collier.

I also strongly recommend Pope Benedict's Message for the celebration of World Peace Day: Fighting poverty for World Peace: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/...

by: justbarak

01-05-2009 @ 7:20pm

I agree with neuro_nurse. "White Man's Burden" is another excellent book along the same vein. On the Christian side I would highly recommend Bryant Myers book "Transformational Development."

What I would add are two comments. First of all, international development is extremely complex and in order to impact impoverished communities in a long-term and meaningful way there have to be professional standards by which agencies implement poverty-alleviation programming. It's a science and just like any other science you have to understand the complexities and best practices involved. Unfortunately, too many people and agencies (both large and small, secular and faith-based) run in with little understanding of the complexities, context, or the true mechanisms required for change, and in the end they do untold damage to societies and economies. There needs to be intelligence applied to charity work and unfortunately a great many development concepts are counter-intuitive to our western culture which is very solution oriented and money focused.

The second point however draws back to what Parris has to say - there is something fundamentally unique to what Christian development brings to the table. I've lived and worked overseas most of my life among both secular and faith-based organizations and the Christian worldview effects a level of transformation in people that allows them to change, grow, and pursue a better life in ways that secular development struggles to achieve. Mission:Moving Mountains produces a small booklet called "Discipleship for Development" which articulates the ways Christian worldview affects the physical aspects of poverty alleviation.

Many secular development organizations I've met with have acknowledged that both the best and worst of humanitarian work in Africa has been through Christian organizations. My hope and prayer is that we can apply our faith through professional practice and simply be the best hope for the world in both spiritual as well as physical transformation.

by: Stein

01-05-2009 @ 7:52pm

I have often heard it said that it is impossible to fully practice Christianity apart from community. God is communal; the is the whole point of the doctrine of trinity.

How do we square this with Parris' "direct, personal, two-way link between the individual and God, unmediated by the collective"?

How do "collective" and "community" interact?

by: carlcopas

01-05-2009 @ 9:00pm

Neuro,

first, happy new year brother.

As usual, you bring some wise thoughts to the conversation. I'd also add that a book I'm reading currently, Reza Aslan's No God But God, has a great opening anecdote emblematic of the clumsiness of some well-meaning but rather inept Western Christian missionaries operating in northern Africa.

We have to be very careful to get our new "framing story" right, otherwise we can end up causing even more damage than did the old one.

by: Lord_Voldemort

01-05-2009 @ 10:11pm

I think the first thing is to recognize that individuals matter, that God deals with both societies and individuals, and that when hw works with societies, he often works through individuals.

When God liberated the nation of Israel from the Egyptians, he began by approaching a solitary man -- Moses.

Jesus taught multitudes, but he also spoke to individuals great (the Rich Young Ruler) and small (the Woman at the Well)

As political people we all have to think about cities and nations, but in God's view individuals have dignity. We cannot forget that.

LV

by: carlcopas

01-07-2009 @ 8:35pm

"Am I MORE concerned about people dying and going to hell. YES."

Interesting. Jesus rarely talked about people dying and going to Hell. But he did talk a lot about the Kingdom of God in which you should love your neighbor as you love yourself through concrete actions sch as physical healing.

by: neuro_nurse

01-07-2009 @ 10:20pm

That sounds like salvation though works! What are ya, Catholic now?

You're a good man Carl.

by: churchlady

01-07-2009 @ 10:33pm

I think I missed something again.

by: 2B_Blessed

01-06-2009 @ 6:15am

While I rejoice over this account of these transformed lives, I am a bit uncomfortable with the "civilizing the savages" tone of this article. The attitude changes described here are a result of what happens when any person, anywhere decides to belive and trust Christ. This blessing is not limited to and/or beneficial to African people only.

by: churchlady

01-06-2009 @ 6:30am

What an interesting post, as well as the comments that follow it . .

If Parrish is an atheist, he may simply have missed a central point about what the Church does.

The Biblical concept of the Kingdom of God is about a community where people recycle armaments into tools for productive work, where they can sit in their own gardens and enjoy the fruits of their labors, and where they can live in peace and harmony with all their neighbors. In this community, people respect and care about one another and help each other out. The idea that we could live that way is very good news to me, and I suspect to many in Africa as well.

The church is all about personal relationships. Secular groups often miss that part, and sometimes the church forgets it .

by: carlcopas

01-08-2009 @ 12:48am

"No man is good except God." But it's nice of you to say so, neuro.

I'm catholic, small "c." :)

by: Hannity2

01-06-2009 @ 6:28pm

"I've become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and international aid efforts. These alone will not do. Education and training alone will not do. In Africa Christianity changes people's hearts. It brings a spiritual transformation. The rebirth is real. The change is good."

It can be seen from this what people need is CHRIST. Government programs don't cut it. As Christians we need to help the poor not only by providing food and water....but giving them the bread of life and the water that makes them thirst no more. Government programs can't do this. Only the church can.

by: neuro_nurse

01-06-2009 @ 6:58pm

I spent a year volunteering in a part of Ethiopia where the majority of the population is Orthodox Christian, but the health and economic indices are among the worst in the world.

Both governmental and non-governmental programs, despite their failings, do save lives. The Bread of Life won't make respiratory infections and diarrhea (the two major causes of mortality in children under 5 years of age) go away, but those of us who have been called to serve as health care professionals in the developing world can work to alleviate some of the disease burden.

by: neuro_nurse

01-05-2009 @ 7:03pm

The problems of sub-Saharan Africa and other developing countries are extremely complex, and while ill-conceived foreign aid from secular organizations has at some times contributed to the problems in the developing world, well-meaning Christians have also damaged societies, environments, and economies (prime example: AIDS orphanages).

While I don't disagree with Parris, we need to be careful about simplifying the problems and offering myopic solutions.

This Christmas my very conservative Baptist pastor father-in-law gave me a book that was recommended to him by the president of a theological university. Needless to say, I was more than a little skeptical when I opened the book but, so far, I've found it to be well balanced, relatively short and easy to read, and, for the most part, apolitical:

"The Bottom Billion: Why the poorest countries are failing and what can be done about it" by Paul Collier.

I also strongly recommend Pope Benedict's Message for the celebration of World Peace Day: Fighting poverty for World Peace: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/...

by: justbarak

01-05-2009 @ 7:20pm

I agree with neuro_nurse. "White Man's Burden" is another excellent book along the same vein. On the Christian side I would highly recommend Bryant Myers book "Transformational Development."

What I would add are two comments. First of all, international development is extremely complex and in order to impact impoverished communities in a long-term and meaningful way there have to be professional standards by which agencies implement poverty-alleviation programming. It's a science and just like any other science you have to understand the complexities and best practices involved. Unfortunately, too many people and agencies (both large and small, secular and faith-based) run in with little understanding of the complexities, context, or the true mechanisms required for change, and in the end they do untold damage to societies and economies. There needs to be intelligence applied to charity work and unfortunately a great many development concepts are counter-intuitive to our western culture which is very solution oriented and money focused.

The second point however draws back to what Parris has to say - there is something fundamentally unique to what Christian development brings to the table. I've lived and worked overseas most of my life among both secular and faith-based organizations and the Christian worldview effects a level of transformation in people that allows them to change, grow, and pursue a better life in ways that secular development struggles to achieve. Mission:Moving Mountains produces a small booklet called "Discipleship for Development" which articulates the ways Christian worldview affects the physical aspects of poverty alleviation.

Many secular development organizations I've met with have acknowledged that both the best and worst of humanitarian work in Africa has been through Christian organizations. My hope and prayer is that we can apply our faith through professional practice and simply be the best hope for the world in both spiritual as well as physical transformation.

by: Stein

01-05-2009 @ 7:52pm

I have often heard it said that it is impossible to fully practice Christianity apart from community. God is communal; the is the whole point of the doctrine of trinity.

How do we square this with Parris' "direct, personal, two-way link between the individual and God, unmediated by the collective"?

How do "collective" and "community" interact?

by: grahamseel

01-08-2009 @ 9:41pm

I think some of us struggle with questions like this because in a Western culture still dominated by Enlightenment individualistic thinking, we don't understand the Bible's paradoxical tension and interdependence between individual and community. I reacted similarly to Parris' comment, but think the "collective" against which he is reacting is different from the "community" of God's people. Perhaps there is a richness in adoption of Christianity by a culture that has a taste of community interdependence that will allow the relationship between individual and community and God to be more Biblical than I fear is the case for most of us.

Another example of where those of us in the West/North need to learn from newer Christian communities. I thank God that we're starting to see missionaries being sent us!

by: carlcopas

01-05-2009 @ 9:00pm

Neuro,

first, happy new year brother.

As usual, you bring some wise thoughts to the conversation. I'd also add that a book I'm reading currently, Reza Aslan's No God But God, has a great opening anecdote emblematic of the clumsiness of some well-meaning but rather inept Western Christian missionaries operating in northern Africa.

We have to be very careful to get our new "framing story" right, otherwise we can end up causing even more damage than did the old one.

by: Hannity2

01-06-2009 @ 7:49pm

I didn't say all government problems were bad. What I am saying is as Christians our FIRST concern has to be people's souls. Which is exactly what Jesus talked about when he called himself the bread of life.

Am I concerned for someone with an infection or diarrhea.....absolutely. Am I MORE concerned about people dying and going to hell. YES. What a tragedy is while we pat ourselves on the back for reducing someone's suffering we neglect to share with them the Gospel and how to solve their problem of being separated from God.

by: Lord_Voldemort

01-05-2009 @ 10:11pm

I think the first thing is to recognize that individuals matter, that God deals with both societies and individuals, and that when hw works with societies, he often works through individuals.

When God liberated the nation of Israel from the Egyptians, he began by approaching a solitary man -- Moses.

Jesus taught multitudes, but he also spoke to individuals great (the Rich Young Ruler) and small (the Woman at the Well)

As political people we all have to think about cities and nations, but in God's view individuals have dignity. We cannot forget that.

LV

by: neuro_nurse

01-06-2009 @ 8:05pm

If God has called you to missionary work in the developing world, you have my blessing.

Reducing physical and emotional suffering is sharing the Gospel.

"Preach the Gospel; if necessary, use words." St. Francis of Assisi

by: Palosaari

01-06-2009 @ 11:33pm

Huh. The thing I *love* about Christianity is the focus on the collective, where you can only truly know God through the collective.

by: Hannity2

01-06-2009 @ 11:40pm

actually what God has called me to do is support those who do missionary work both abroad, and in the inner city, while influencing those in the suburbs where I live on a personal basis.

by: neuro_nurse

01-07-2009 @ 12:06am

I have found that missionaries who have served for a considerable amount of time in developing countries often have perspectives and opinions that are very different from the people back in the states that support them.

by: 2B_Blessed

01-06-2009 @ 6:15am

While I rejoice over this account of these transformed lives, I am a bit uncomfortable with the "civilizing the savages" tone of this article. The attitude changes described here are a result of what happens when any person, anywhere decides to belive and trust Christ. This blessing is not limited to and/or beneficial to African people only.

by: churchlady

01-06-2009 @ 6:30am

What an interesting post, as well as the comments that follow it . .

If Parrish is an atheist, he may simply have missed a central point about what the Church does.

The Biblical concept of the Kingdom of God is about a community where people recycle armaments into tools for productive work, where they can sit in their own gardens and enjoy the fruits of their labors, and where they can live in peace and harmony with all their neighbors. In this community, people respect and care about one another and help each other out. The idea that we could live that way is very good news to me, and I suspect to many in Africa as well.

The church is all about personal relationships. Secular groups often miss that part, and sometimes the church forgets it .

Comments sorted by highest rated. After voting you must refresh your page to see the sort order change.

by: neuro_nurse

01-05-2009 @ 7:03pm

The problems of sub-Saharan Africa and other developing countries are extremely complex, and while ill-conceived foreign aid from secular organizations has at some times contributed to the problems in the developing world, well-meaning Christians have also damaged societies, environments, and economies (prime example: AIDS orphanages).

While I don't disagree with Parris, we need to be careful about simplifying the problems and offering myopic solutions.

This Christmas my very conservative Baptist pastor father-in-law gave me a book that was recommended to him by the president of a theological university. Needless to say, I was more than a little skeptical when I opened the book but, so far, I've found it to be well balanced, relatively short and easy to read, and, for the most part, apolitical:

"The Bottom Billion: Why the poorest countries are failing and what can be done about it" by Paul Collier.

I also strongly recommend Pope Benedict's Message for the celebration of World Peace Day: Fighting poverty for World Peace: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/...

by: neuro_nurse

01-05-2009 @ 7:03pm

The problems of sub-Saharan Africa and other developing countries are extremely complex, and while ill-conceived foreign aid from secular organizations has at some times contributed to the problems in the developing world, well-meaning Christians have also damaged societies, environments, and economies (prime example: AIDS orphanages).

While I don't disagree with Parris, we need to be careful about simplifying the problems and offering myopic solutions.

This Christmas my very conservative Baptist pastor father-in-law gave me a book that was recommended to him by the president of a theological university. Needless to say, I was more than a little skeptical when I opened the book but, so far, I've found it to be well balanced, relatively short and easy to read, and, for the most part, apolitical:

"The Bottom Billion: Why the poorest countries are failing and what can be done about it" by Paul Collier.

I also strongly recommend Pope Benedict's Message for the celebration of World Peace Day: Fighting poverty for World Peace: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/...

by: justbarak

01-05-2009 @ 7:20pm

I agree with neuro_nurse. "White Man's Burden" is another excellent book along the same vein. On the Christian side I would highly recommend Bryant Myers book "Transformational Development."

What I would add are two comments. First of all, international development is extremely complex and in order to impact impoverished communities in a long-term and meaningful way there have to be professional standards by which agencies implement poverty-alleviation programming. It's a science and just like any other science you have to understand the complexities and best practices involved. Unfortunately, too many people and agencies (both large and small, secular and faith-based) run in with little understanding of the complexities, context, or the true mechanisms required for change, and in the end they do untold damage to societies and economies. There needs to be intelligence applied to charity work and unfortunately a great many development concepts are counter-intuitive to our western culture which is very solution oriented and money focused.

The second point however draws back to what Parris has to say - there is something fundamentally unique to what Christian development brings to the table. I've lived and worked overseas most of my life among both secular and faith-based organizations and the Christian worldview effects a level of transformation in people that allows them to change, grow, and pursue a better life in ways that secular development struggles to achieve. Mission:Moving Mountains produces a small booklet called "Discipleship for Development" which articulates the ways Christian worldview affects the physical aspects of poverty alleviation.

Many secular development organizations I've met with have acknowledged that both the best and worst of humanitarian work in Africa has been through Christian organizations. My hope and prayer is that we can apply our faith through professional practice and simply be the best hope for the world in both spiritual as well as physical transformation.

by: justbarak

01-05-2009 @ 7:20pm

I agree with neuro_nurse. "White Man's Burden" is another excellent book along the same vein. On the Christian side I would highly recommend Bryant Myers book "Transformational Development."

What I would add are two comments. First of all, international development is extremely complex and in order to impact impoverished communities in a long-term and meaningful way there have to be professional standards by which agencies implement poverty-alleviation programming. It's a science and just like any other science you have to understand the complexities and best practices involved. Unfortunately, too many people and agencies (both large and small, secular and faith-based) run in with little understanding of the complexities, context, or the true mechanisms required for change, and in the end they do untold damage to societies and economies. There needs to be intelligence applied to charity work and unfortunately a great many development concepts are counter-intuitive to our western culture which is very solution oriented and money focused.

The second point however draws back to what Parris has to say - there is something fundamentally unique to what Christian development brings to the table. I've lived and worked overseas most of my life among both secular and faith-based organizations and the Christian worldview effects a level of transformation in people that allows them to change, grow, and pursue a better life in ways that secular development struggles to achieve. Mission:Moving Mountains produces a small booklet called "Discipleship for Development" which articulates the ways Christian worldview affects the physical aspects of poverty alleviation.

Many secular development organizations I've met with have acknowledged that both the best and worst of humanitarian work in Africa has been through Christian organizations. My hope and prayer is that we can apply our faith through professional practice and simply be the best hope for the world in both spiritual as well as physical transformation.

by: Stein

01-05-2009 @ 7:52pm

I have often heard it said that it is impossible to fully practice Christianity apart from community. God is communal; the is the whole point of the doctrine of trinity.

How do we square this with Parris' "direct, personal, two-way link between the individual and God, unmediated by the collective"?

How do "collective" and "community" interact?

by: Stein

01-05-2009 @ 7:52pm

I have often heard it said that it is impossible to fully practice Christianity apart from community. God is communal; the is the whole point of the doctrine of trinity.

How do we square this with Parris' "direct, personal, two-way link between the individual and God, unmediated by the collective"?

How do "collective" and "community" interact?

by: carlcopas

01-05-2009 @ 9:00pm

Neuro,

first, happy new year brother.

As usual, you bring some wise thoughts to the conversation. I'd also add that a book I'm reading currently, Reza Aslan's No God But God, has a great opening anecdote emblematic of the clumsiness of some well-meaning but rather inept Western Christian missionaries operating in northern Africa.

We have to be very careful to get our new "framing story" right, otherwise we can end up causing even more damage than did the old one.

by: carlcopas

01-05-2009 @ 9:00pm

Neuro,

first, happy new year brother.

As usual, you bring some wise thoughts to the conversation. I'd also add that a book I'm reading currently, Reza Aslan's No God But God, has a great opening anecdote emblematic of the clumsiness of some well-meaning but rather inept Western Christian missionaries operating in northern Africa.

We have to be very careful to get our new "framing story" right, otherwise we can end up causing even more damage than did the old one.

by: Lord_Voldemort

01-05-2009 @ 10:11pm

I think the first thing is to recognize that individuals matter, that God deals with both societies and individuals, and that when hw works with societies, he often works through individuals.

When God liberated the nation of Israel from the Egyptians, he began by approaching a solitary man -- Moses.

Jesus taught multitudes, but he also spoke to individuals great (the Rich Young Ruler) and small (the Woman at the Well)

As political people we all have to think about cities and nations, but in God's view individuals have dignity. We cannot forget that.

LV

by: Lord_Voldemort

01-05-2009 @ 10:11pm

I think the first thing is to recognize that individuals matter, that God deals with both societies and individuals, and that when hw works with societies, he often works through individuals.

When God liberated the nation of Israel from the Egyptians, he began by approaching a solitary man -- Moses.

Jesus taught multitudes, but he also spoke to individuals great (the Rich Young Ruler) and small (the Woman at the Well)

As political people we all have to think about cities and nations, but in God's view individuals have dignity. We cannot forget that.

LV

by: 2B_Blessed

01-06-2009 @ 6:15am

While I rejoice over this account of these transformed lives, I am a bit uncomfortable with the "civilizing the savages" tone of this article. The attitude changes described here are a result of what happens when any person, anywhere decides to belive and trust Christ. This blessing is not limited to and/or beneficial to African people only.

by: 2B_Blessed

01-06-2009 @ 6:15am

While I rejoice over this account of these transformed lives, I am a bit uncomfortable with the "civilizing the savages" tone of this article. The attitude changes described here are a result of what happens when any person, anywhere decides to belive and trust Christ. This blessing is not limited to and/or beneficial to African people only.

by: churchlady

01-06-2009 @ 6:30am

What an interesting post, as well as the comments that follow it . .

If Parrish is an atheist, he may simply have missed a central point about what the Church does.

The Biblical concept of the Kingdom of God is about a community where people recycle armaments into tools for productive work, where they can sit in their own gardens and enjoy the fruits of their labors, and where they can live in peace and harmony with all their neighbors. In this community, people respect and care about one another and help each other out. The idea that we could live that way is very good news to me, and I suspect to many in Africa as well.

The church is all about personal relationships. Secular groups often miss that part, and sometimes the church forgets it .

by: churchlady

01-06-2009 @ 6:30am

What an interesting post, as well as the comments that follow it . .

If Parrish is an atheist, he may simply have missed a central point about what the Church does.

The Biblical concept of the Kingdom of God is about a community where people recycle armaments into tools for productive work, where they can sit in their own gardens and enjoy the fruits of their labors, and where they can live in peace and harmony with all their neighbors. In this community, people respect and care about one another and help each other out. The idea that we could live that way is very good news to me, and I suspect to many in Africa as well.

The church is all about personal relationships. Secular groups often miss that part, and sometimes the church forgets it .

by: Hannity2

01-06-2009 @ 6:28pm

"I've become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and international aid efforts. These alone will not do. Education and training alone will not do. In Africa Christianity changes people's hearts. It brings a spiritual transformation. The rebirth is real. The change is good."

It can be seen from this what people need is CHRIST. Government programs don't cut it. As Christians we need to help the poor not only by providing food and water....but giving them the bread of life and the water that makes them thirst no more. Government programs can't do this. Only the church can.

by: Hannity2

01-06-2009 @ 6:28pm

"I've become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and international aid efforts. These alone will not do. Education and training alone will not do. In Africa Christianity changes people's hearts. It brings a spiritual transformation. The rebirth is real. The change is good."

It can be seen from this what people need is CHRIST. Government programs don't cut it. As Christians we need to help the poor not only by providing food and water....but giving them the bread of life and the water that makes them thirst no more. Government programs can't do this. Only the church can.

by: neuro_nurse

01-06-2009 @ 6:58pm

I spent a year volunteering in a part of Ethiopia where the majority of the population is Orthodox Christian, but the health and economic indices are among the worst in the world.

Both governmental and non-governmental programs, despite their failings, do save lives. The Bread of Life won't make respiratory infections and diarrhea (the two major causes of mortality in children under 5 years of age) go away, but those of us who have been called to serve as health care professionals in the developing world can work to alleviate some of the disease burden.

by: neuro_nurse

01-06-2009 @ 6:58pm

I spent a year volunteering in a part of Ethiopia where the majority of the population is Orthodox Christian, but the health and economic indices are among the worst in the world.

Both governmental and non-governmental programs, despite their failings, do save lives. The Bread of Life won't make respiratory infections and diarrhea (the two major causes of mortality in children under 5 years of age) go away, but those of us who have been called to serve as health care professionals in the developing world can work to alleviate some of the disease burden.

by: Hannity2

01-06-2009 @ 7:49pm

I didn't say all government problems were bad. What I am saying is as Christians our FIRST concern has to be people's souls. Which is exactly what Jesus talked about when he called himself the bread of life.

Am I concerned for someone with an infection or diarrhea.....absolutely. Am I MORE concerned about people dying and going to hell. YES. What a tragedy is while we pat ourselves on the back for reducing someone's suffering we neglect to share with them the Gospel and how to solve their problem of being separated from God.

by: Hannity2

01-06-2009 @ 7:49pm

I didn't say all government problems were bad. What I am saying is as Christians our FIRST concern has to be people's souls. Which is exactly what Jesus talked about when he called himself the bread of life.

Am I concerned for someone with an infection or diarrhea.....absolutely. Am I MORE concerned about people dying and going to hell. YES. What a tragedy is while we pat ourselves on the back for reducing someone's suffering we neglect to share with them the Gospel and how to solve their problem of being separated from God.

by: neuro_nurse

01-06-2009 @ 8:05pm

If God has called you to missionary work in the developing world, you have my blessing.

Reducing physical and emotional suffering is sharing the Gospel.

"Preach the Gospel; if necessary, use words." St. Francis of Assisi

by: neuro_nurse

01-06-2009 @ 8:05pm

If God has called you to missionary work in the developing world, you have my blessing.

Reducing physical and emotional suffering is sharing the Gospel.

"Preach the Gospel; if necessary, use words." St. Francis of Assisi

by: Palosaari

01-06-2009 @ 11:33pm

Huh. The thing I *love* about Christianity is the focus on the collective, where you can only truly know God through the collective.

by: Palosaari

01-06-2009 @ 11:33pm

Huh. The thing I *love* about Christianity is the focus on the collective, where you can only truly know God through the collective.

by: Hannity2

01-06-2009 @ 11:40pm

actually what God has called me to do is support those who do missionary work both abroad, and in the inner city, while influencing those in the suburbs where I live on a personal basis.

by: Hannity2

01-06-2009 @ 11:40pm

actually what God has called me to do is support those who do missionary work both abroad, and in the inner city, while influencing those in the suburbs where I live on a personal basis.

by: neuro_nurse

01-07-2009 @ 12:06am

I have found that missionaries who have served for a considerable amount of time in developing countries often have perspectives and opinions that are very different from the people back in the states that support them.

by: neuro_nurse

01-07-2009 @ 12:06am

I have found that missionaries who have served for a considerable amount of time in developing countries often have perspectives and opinions that are very different from the people back in the states that support them.

by: Hannity2

01-07-2009 @ 4:39pm

I am sure they do have different perspectives. They would only be natural. However, all the missionaries that I know and support have the primary passion of leading people to a relationship with Jesus Christ. Meeting their physical needs is just a step to what they need even more which is Christ. Otherwise they are not missionaries, but humanitarian workers.

by: Hannity2

01-07-2009 @ 4:39pm

I am sure they do have different perspectives. They would only be natural. However, all the missionaries that I know and support have the primary passion of leading people to a relationship with Jesus Christ. Meeting their physical needs is just a step to what they need even more which is Christ. Otherwise they are not missionaries, but humanitarian workers.

by: neuro_nurse

01-07-2009 @ 6:09pm

Let's just be realistic and not reduce the needs of the impoverished to platitudes.

by: neuro_nurse

01-07-2009 @ 6:09pm

Let's just be realistic and not reduce the needs of the impoverished to platitudes.

by: carlcopas

01-07-2009 @ 8:35pm

"Am I MORE concerned about people dying and going to hell. YES."

Interesting. Jesus rarely talked about people dying and going to Hell. But he did talk a lot about the Kingdom of God in which you should love your neighbor as you love yourself through concrete actions sch as physical healing.

by: carlcopas

01-07-2009 @ 8:35pm

"Am I MORE concerned about people dying and going to hell. YES."

Interesting. Jesus rarely talked about people dying and going to Hell. But he did talk a lot about the Kingdom of God in which you should love your neighbor as you love yourself through concrete actions sch as physical healing.

by: neuro_nurse

01-07-2009 @ 10:20pm

That sounds like salvation though works! What are ya, Catholic now?

You're a good man Carl.

by: neuro_nurse

01-07-2009 @ 10:20pm

That sounds like salvation though works! What are ya, Catholic now?

You're a good man Carl.

by: churchlady

01-07-2009 @ 10:33pm

I think I missed something again.

by: churchlady

01-07-2009 @ 10:33pm

I think I missed something again.

by: carlcopas

01-08-2009 @ 12:48am

"No man is good except God." But it's nice of you to say so, neuro.

I'm catholic, small "c." :)

by: carlcopas

01-08-2009 @ 12:48am

"No man is good except God." But it's nice of you to say so, neuro.

I'm catholic, small "c." :)

by: grahamseel

01-08-2009 @ 9:41pm

I think some of us struggle with questions like this because in a Western culture still dominated by Enlightenment individualistic thinking, we don't understand the Bible's paradoxical tension and interdependence between individual and community. I reacted similarly to Parris' comment, but think the "collective" against which he is reacting is different from the "community" of God's people. Perhaps there is a richness in adoption of Christianity by a culture that has a taste of community interdependence that will allow the relationship between individual and community and God to be more Biblical than I fear is the case for most of us.

Another example of where those of us in the West/North need to learn from newer Christian communities. I thank God that we're starting to see missionaries being sent us!

by: grahamseel

01-08-2009 @ 9:41pm

I think some of us struggle with questions like this because in a Western culture still dominated by Enlightenment individualistic thinking, we don't understand the Bible's paradoxical tension and interdependence between individual and community. I reacted similarly to Parris' comment, but think the "collective" against which he is reacting is different from the "community" of God's people. Perhaps there is a richness in adoption of Christianity by a culture that has a taste of community interdependence that will allow the relationship between individual and community and God to be more Biblical than I fear is the case for most of us.

Another example of where those of us in the West/North need to learn from newer Christian communities. I thank God that we're starting to see missionaries being sent us!