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Gaza: Where are the Peacemakers?

It has been over a week now. Over 600 Palestinians and ten Israelis have been killed (seven of them soldiers), and 3,085 Palestinians have been injured. 25 percent of the dead are non-combatants: women, children, and the old. In the fog of war, the only certainty is these numbers will rise.

By now every major organization has issued a position statement on the recent outbreak of violence, and the pundits have been practicing their craft on the news channels for some time.

At the Christian-run Ahli-Arab hospital in Gaza, the wailing of the sirens is continuous, all the windows have been destroyed, the patients shiver in the winter air, and the hospital's director is desperate for blankets. Fuel supplies are low, medicines and food are scarce, the equipment is antiquated, the patients are many, and the bombing never stops. It is cold and Gaza is in the dark.

In Sderot, an Israeli town not too far from Gaza, the lights are on but they do not extinguish the darkness. A 51-year-old resident of the city recently wrote these words:

People who don't live in Sderot don't understand the situation here, just as those who don't live in Gaza don't understand their situation. But I know they suffer and I know we suffer as well.

At the end of the day there will be an agreement, so why do we have to go through this process of killing and shedding blood first? Why can't we stop? Why do we need for them to suffer so terribly, and I have no doubt that they are suffering more than us.

We in Sderot are so sick of this and they must be saying the same thing...

In Sderot, like in other cities in the Israeli South, the rockets fall as they have for some time now. The sirens wail at random, and residents are urged to run to their shelters in hopes they will make it in time. Sderot is 1.8 kilometers from Gaza. A rocket can reach Sderot in nine seconds.

Meanwhile, young Israeli men and women are on the way to Gaza. They are actors in a stage not of their making, victims of the past. The basest of them take vengeance in their anger, and the compassionate are caught between sympathy and duty.

In Gaza, hatred grows; the bombs cannot extinguish it. The old bury the young, the young watch the old whither, dignity is a memory, and peace but a forgotten shadow. The scale of the destruction and death is beyond imagination.

Hamas blames Israel for breaking the cease-fire by sending troops into Gaza on November 4th and for not complying with the conditions of the cease-fire or allowing significant levels of goods and humanitarian aide to flow into Gaza. How long, Hamas asks, can they show restraint while Gazans starve in the dark? Cease-fire or no cease-fire, the conditions are the same; what is the difference between a swift death or a slow one?

Israel cannot be asked to live with an organization whose history includes dispatching suicide bombers to kill its citizens. Israel blames Hamas for the blockade and points out that Hamas that has been firing rockets at civilians.

Around the world, pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli groups echo these arguments louder and louder every day. No one ever wins the rhetorical battles because no one can. It is wrong for an occupying power to starve a population and force it to live in poverty, and it is wrong to fire rockets at civilians forcing them to live in fear. Deep down each side acknowledges its culpability, but cannot show mercy. Both are blind in one eye while the other eye only looks in the mirror to see its own pain. Each side claims it must act because it, after-all, is the victim.

Fear, hatred, death, uncertainty and fanaticism rule the day.

For all these reasons, and more, I beg my brothers and sisters in Christ to undertake a revolution in thought which extends beyond entrenched racial and political dogmas, one that is grounded in the gospel of peace in Christ and one which propels the body of Christ to care for the sick and dying, for the fearful, and for those whom we call friend or enemy.

We must act in compassion to heal the sick and have mercy on those who are suffering--be they Israeli or Palestinian, Muslim, Christian, or Jew. The very believability of the gospel of Christ is at stake.

The battle for Gaza is ongoing and it will continue after the last round is fired. When Gaza emerges from the rubble, Gazans will remember those who came to them in their time of need. Will it be the representatives of radicalization and hatred that will rebuild Gaza, or will it be the voices of reason and compassion? Simply stated: we cannot afford to abandon Gaza.

We must also not forget Sderot and the cities in the Israeli South. For in them, as in Gaza, hatred grows as the rockets fall. We must do everything we can to engender compassion and build bridges of understanding. We must also be there to mourn with those who mourn and care for those in need.

We cannot allow ourselves the luxury of assigning blame, washing our hands of the world, or placing ourselves above it. Nor can we allow ourselves to be held hostage by eschatological positions which offer no respite for those who bury the dead or care for the injured.

Now is the time to plead for peace and reconciliation, a time to end the madness and call for understanding. We may or may not be successful, but we cannot be silent. Our God was not silent in the face of our inequities, and while God could have judged us, instead he sent his Son to bridge the divide between God and humanity. If then we are created in God's image and for God's purpose, can we not then stand in the gap between Arab and Jew and beg for peace?

May God help us make this stand and forgive us if we do not.

portrait-ali-elhajjAli Elhajj is an Arab Christian who came to Christ from a Muslim background in 1999. His ministry, The Bethlehem Christmas Project, brings together American, Israeli, and Palestinian Christians to deliver Christmas gifts to oprhans, children suffering form post-traumatic stress, and children with special needs in the West Bank.

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by: nuclearferret

01-08-2009 @ 9:19pm

Or we, the world, can get out of the way and allow the people involved to do the major work of creating the peace they will have to live by and with. If the solution is imposed on them, we will simply remain on the cycle of violence with Arab and Israeli.

by: erbe

01-08-2009 @ 9:40pm

So are you willing to have the United States government stop supplying Israel with all forms of aid, military part, information, weapons systems, etc. except for the exact kind provided to the Palestinians? And in the same per capita amounts?

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:22am

Where was this Palestinian-Christian (who lives here in America) when Hamas was dropping rockets on Israel?

Oh, that's right, he was busy coordinating anti-Israeli PR projects, and otherwise generally not giving a flying fuck about whether Israel might have a right to defend themselves against violence.

Hit the minus button all you like.

by: sarahinusa

01-08-2009 @ 9:47pm

Thank you. Best article I have read on the subject so far, because there is no hatred in your words.
Nuclearferret and erbe also underlined very good points, but forgot that unfortunately most governments have interest that strongly differ from their citizens's interest.
Thank you for including a comment from someone from Sderot: the world at large seems also to not inform us about those, in Israel, who actually oppose what is going on.

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by: martingugino

01-09-2009 @ 11:43am

We here at the "Mile High Club" feel killing children is wrong, as is pushing Gaza into the sea.

by: agarber

01-09-2009 @ 1:16pm

I am with drdon. I would like to know what practically I can do to ease the suffering for both sides. kevin 47, I would be a little slower to judge. My experience is that when one has been touched by the kind of compassion that comes from understanding their Creator's heart for all God's creatures, that it doesn't matter where or who is experiencing the suffering. Our hearts will bleed.

by: Kevin Wayne

01-12-2009 @ 9:35pm

Being fair and staying above the fray are two different things.

According to you...

I disagree that Israel has made its own bed. It is an enemy by virtue of its very existence, and will continue to be attacked.

If the Jews move elsewhere, they will be attacked there. Iran and Hamas have said as much.

But you are confusing two different things: 1) The existence of the enemies of the Jews, which is historical, and 2) the extent to which such sentiments gain popularity when people's backs are up against it. That is proven by the fact of Hamas winning a legal democratic election where they might no have otherwise. To that extent I simply say that Israel has made it's own bed, and that the most fair, just, and impartial- as well as wholeheartedly in line with Biblical Christianity that sets loyalty to the Kingdom of God - is the position being taken by the blog entry that sparked this discussion.

by: erbe

01-09-2009 @ 3:17pm

Well said Kevin. Your way with words reminds me that "anyone" can post on this site.

by: kevin47

01-12-2009 @ 9:58pm

Then the Palestinians have made their bed by electing Hamas. They wanted a war, and now they have it.

Problem solved, as you are wont to say.

by: BuckeyeDon

01-13-2009 @ 11:07am

"Read it and weep and howl Kevin47, Jkc1945 and others of your blindsided ilk."

With all due respect, Kevin Wayne, I don't see how gloating like this will advance the cause of Middle East peace. The problem as I see it, and as I have tried to articulate here (you can judge whether I've been successful), is that both sides are convinced of their own righteousness and the other side's evil.

We can't afford that attitude any longer.

Peace

by: drdon

01-08-2009 @ 10:24pm

If we as Christians are indeed interested in acting in a practical way to show our love in this crisis, can someone say how? I have signed petitions-- who reads them? As was pointed out already, the politicians have their own agendas in this matter and it is usually lockstep support for the policies of the State of Israel. (The USA continues to veto any role for the UN Security Council in this crisis.) The Israelis are only allowing a pitifully few hours' truce ever other day to let relief supplies in to Gaza--how can bombed out hospitals, empty shops, etc., be restocked and rebuilt? I have made donations to UNICEF and the ICRC. One can give to Doctors Without Borders and other such humanitarian but not necessarily Christian NGOs. I am going to let the Fundamentalist Dispensationalists and Christian Zionists send their aid to Israel if they want to side with the Israeli settlers getting rocketed. I want to get some help to the long-suffering Palestinian Christians. Some one give me a web site or mailing address.
Praying for peace and reconciliation is of course an vital element in our faith. I and many others are no doubt doing that and it looks like we are going to have to keep doing that for a long long time. We must also keep in out prayers all those aid workers, relief agencies, and so on who work to alleviate suffering in this terrible situation.

by: BuckeyeDon

01-09-2009 @ 3:58pm

I did more than hit the minus button, Kevin. Your comment is totally out of line, and your use of vulgar language unnecessary and inappropriate for this forum. I flagged this.

Please re-read Ali's comments and then tell me honestly whether it isn't the most evenhanded treatment of the situation you have read.

Shame on you for allowing your ideology to denigrate and vilify Ali's impartial comments in such a vulgar way.

by: Kevin Wayne

01-13-2009 @ 8:27pm

Don: I agree 100%! I guess when it comes to certain people's belieiving in thier own goodness, I tend to stand up and tweak noses a bit.

Ciao for now~!
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by: JamesM

01-12-2009 @ 10:43pm

"Wow, JamesM, 1Grace really has our number. We better all just go home, now that our true motives have been found out you leftist, you. They have the drop on us."

Oh no! My true motives have been revealed. Like the wicked witch of the West in the Wizard of Oz...."I'm melting!...I'm melting... " as I descend into that abyss where 1Grace would just love to see me go!

by: JamesM

01-12-2009 @ 10:48pm

"One poster here was apparently unaware that Israel has an intelligence agency (or, at minimum, ignorant of how one functions). Others assume that Israel is indiscriminantly killing civilians, which is far from reality." Kevin47

Yeah I remember one poster who once thought that the UK was using the Euro as its currency. Ignorance abounds, right Kevin?

"I do think the phenomenon is part of a reflexive tendency to favor the darker skin color. This is undertstandable, given that the contemporary liberal worldview is steeped in the civil rights movement. As such, it is very difficult not to view this conflict through the lens of the movement. " Kevin47

That is a plausible explanation. An equally plausible explanation is that many who post here have gotten beyond the lower instincts inflamed by fundamentalist religion (such as tribalism) and they see Palestinians as image-bearers of the living God who are worthy of life and respect.

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by: SisterMarie

01-09-2009 @ 4:46pm

I helped raise my children and now I hold grandchildren and great-grandchildren in my arms. I have not yet come to the conclusion that all armed conflict is unnecessary. But my heart is grieved by the slaughter that is presently going on in Gaza and Israel. Killing women and children on a large scale defies all concepts of proportionality. I'm afraid that what Israel is doing now is ensuring that a whole generation of Palestinians will accept the premise that violence is the only solution.

(I do not do minus or plus buttons - I think it is a form of censorship.)

by: PASTOR JEFF

01-13-2009 @ 12:52am

JamesM: I'm the ignorant poster whose unaware of Israel's CIA. My post was intended to point out the fallibility of such agencies (WMDs notwithstanding) by questioning how the oft repeated claims that Israel was "targeting Hamas" could be verified. The capacity to misinterpret is vast on the part of some here. It's almost like they want to misunderstand. It's a good thing that these people are not negotiating for the peace in the Mid-East. Oh wait, they are!

by: littleroundtop

01-13-2009 @ 4:13am

I was surprised . Usually notice Don on the far left and very supportive of the people here . But when he commends a persons comments I actually thought it meant something , despite dome common bias that most most hav from either side of the political spectrum . I saw Don support his statements and sources of information , But stating that a country be evacuated for thegood of the people who have soverignity of it sounds obviously bizare . Indeed that did happen at one time , the folks who did not evacuate were killed .
I suggest that the problem is the people demanding the evacuation and killing .
.

The best points here appear to be sarcasm, doctrinal contempt of dispensionalism, and a lack of speaking hat we do about people in control of Hamas who use their own citizens , women , children and even schools to hide their military hardware . one person even told me that it was not considered terrorism because they use missles and topped using suicide bombers . Was a good conversation , especially important pointsabout the casualities and innocent victims in Gaza and elsewhere .

by: littleroundtop

01-13-2009 @ 4:31am

Is weird Kevin . Had to investigate the reasoning for such contempt here . They Sounds identical to talking points of the secular left . Just nomally you would think a culture like Israel who had a represntative form of government , values systems closer to ours , western civilization . Even palentsinians have more freedoms in Israel then most middle east countries . Well another lesson learned of our ignorance and religion getting in the way of allowing people to understand . ;0)

By the way , your use of language was out of line , The comments and insulting remarks that were made personally to you were far worse . They were based on your support of a country being attacked and provoked to defend itself . The debate was on the response , was it too strong , not strong enough , and how to stop conflict again . Yet another example of fairness and contempt dished out by ideaology and not common individual dignity and respect ..

by: JamesM

01-13-2009 @ 9:28am

"The best points here appear to be sarcasm, doctrinal contempt of dispensionalism, and a lack of speaking hat we do about people in control of " Littleroundtop

If I felt it was so bad, I probably would never come back.

T"he capacity to misinterpret is vast on the part of some here." PastorJeff

Pastor Jeff, you are in good company. You are kind to use the word "misinterpret"-- "misrepresent" would probably a more apt and accurate characterization of what took place.

by: SisterMarie

01-13-2009 @ 2:08pm

The present conflict in Israel is just one place (of many) where conflict between people and governments (or between nations) is occurring. I think that the question that we must ask ourselves as citizens of the United States and as followers of Christ is, "What should be our attitude and response to the killing?" As Christians, should we be cheering for one side and rejoicing when innocent lives are lost in the pursuit of military objectives? Should we be supplying arms and technology to assist in the destruction of lives? As a major world power, how do we decide which conflicts to involve ourselves in and which do we simply let continue?

War is a terrible thing and is seldom the means of settling issues. The days when soldiers of competing nations are sent to the front and engage in battles in which only the combatants are affected is long gone. surely in the 21st century, we can find ways short of war to settle our differences.

by: jonabark

01-13-2009 @ 3:59pm

Yesterday there was a rally in support of Israel in NYC. Max Blumenthal was interviewing people there and at least 5 advocated killing all the Gazans. "Wipe them all out ". Others said the Israelis were right to bomb the schools because Palestinians were building bombs under the desks. I grow weary of the argument that the desire to destroy is only on one side. How obvious must it be who is actually threatening the existence of the other, before America treats the Palestinians as a people with legitimate claims to a place in their historic homeland. Back to 67 borders, or no more weapons from US.

Naomi Klein is proposing anti apartheid style economic sanctions.

by: littleroundtop

01-13-2009 @ 5:33pm

" If I felt it was so bad, I probably would never come back." JMartin

I actually thought it was what brought you here . I like most Americans I guess consider Israel an ally . We share a similiar form of government , our value systems , and even share much of the same Bible that is primarily used in our places of worship . But even in learning other views here , they have been accompanied by sarcasm , and religious doctrinal assumptions of people we are discussing it with .

Jonabark examples of Israels calling for Palenstinian blood is not surprising . Wacth cartoons from the 40s of Superman and we do the same thing but for kids to hear .

Jonabark that is not surprising . War does this . Its the tradegy of war , just one tradegy of many .Have a family member killed , a friend , etc .

Watch a football game and root for one side , you see the penalties the other team does and believe when your side commits one and gets away with it, it is justified from PASS Penalties your side had been the receiptent of .

Thats why we need refs , and something is said for third party intervention here in Gaza also .

by: Kevin Wayne

01-12-2009 @ 10:29pm

And THAT- is the exact thing we are decrying- and that you won't allow as legitimate- that the old way of an eye for an eye leaves both sides blind.

by: JamesM

01-13-2009 @ 6:13pm

"But even in learning other views here , they have been accompanied by sarcasm , and religious doctrinal assumptions of people we are discussing it with . " Littleroundtop

Your views, of course, as articulated, have not been an exception to what you are accusing other of.

by: aquaman

01-08-2009 @ 11:39pm

I respectfully disagree. You can draw a straight line from the Holocaust, to the establishment of (and Western support for) the State of Israel, to the plight of the Palestinians. A just peace in Israel-Palestine is, in a very real sense, the unfinished business of the Second World War.

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:29pm

It has nothing to do with ideology. Acquiescence to moral equivalency here is absolutely vulgar. Sojo's Palestinian row is utterly silent on the issue of violence until Israel acts and Hamas sympathizers start issuing press releases. Then, and only then, do we here about working together, and the need for a proportional response (which is an absurd notion).

This article feigns even-handedness, but note this passage:

"Meanwhile, young Israeli men and women are on the way to Gaza. They are actors in a stage not of their making, victims of the past. The basest of them take vengeance in their anger, and the compassionate are caught between sympathy and duty."

In other words, there are two types of Israelie soldiers. Angry murderers, and those who feel bad about their duty. The notion that Israeli's might feel that their "duty" is to protect their country, and therefore good, doesn't even cross the author's mind.

It is unrealistic to expect an outright "side with Palestine" post, because it isn't yet politically correct to do so. I assure you that it will come.

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by: erbe

01-09-2009 @ 12:05am

Actually the Zionist movement was given it's first major impetus by the Balfour Declaration in the early 1900's. Palestine was part of the Ottoman empire and was a settled land ruled by the Turks. The Palestinians driven out by the Zionists are the refugees, some Palestinians however continued to live in Palestine/Israel and are Israeli citizens, albeit second class one.

You're right about the holocaust giving British and American politicians the so called "moral" imperative to disenfranchise the Palestinians in favor of the immigrant Jews.

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:34pm

I haven't been quick to judge. I have seen essentially the same post, over and over, every time Israel takes any sort of action to protect themselves. In the last couple of weeks, there have been what, eight posts tsk-tsking the Israelis and asking us to regard both sides?

Is there not one person in this organization (or it's affiliated organizations) who has the guts to say "you know, Israel isn't perfect, but they can't do nothing in the face of rocket blasts."

That would be an even-handed assessment.

by: erbe

01-09-2009 @ 6:35pm

I hope it comes soon.

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:37pm

Exactly.

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:42pm

As is Israel's very existence, eh?

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by: thing1

01-09-2009 @ 6:50pm

Oh come, oh come, Emmanuel! We need Jesus, our Prince of Peace, so desperately.

We're praying for peace. Does anyone know of anything else we can do to work for peace or ease the suffering for both sides?

by: erbe

01-09-2009 @ 7:21pm

I'm afraid there will not be a Middle East peace until Israel is destroyed as a Zionist state. The Zionist have proven over and over again that they cannot treat non-Jews with anything but disdain and contempt.

Considering the Muslim population of the world and the population of the Zionists I think Israel's days as a Zionist state are numbered. Japan changed after a devastating war, South Africa changed, Israel too will be forced to learn to live as a civilized country.

by: BuckeyeDon

01-13-2009 @ 11:07am

"Read it and weep and howl Kevin47, Jkc1945 and others of your blindsided ilk."

With all due respect, Kevin Wayne, I don't see how gloating like this will advance the cause of Middle East peace. The problem as I see it, and as I have tried to articulate here (you can judge whether I've been successful), is that both sides are convinced of their own righteousness and the other side's evil.

We can't afford that attitude any longer.

Peace

by: Kevin Wayne

01-13-2009 @ 8:27pm

Don: I agree 100%! I guess when it comes to certain people's belieiving in thier own goodness, I tend to stand up and tweak noses a bit.

Ciao for now~!
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by: JamesM

01-12-2009 @ 10:43pm

"Wow, JamesM, 1Grace really has our number. We better all just go home, now that our true motives have been found out you leftist, you. They have the drop on us."

Oh no! My true motives have been revealed. Like the wicked witch of the West in the Wizard of Oz...."I'm melting!...I'm melting... " as I descend into that abyss where 1Grace would just love to see me go!

by: JamesM

01-12-2009 @ 10:48pm

"One poster here was apparently unaware that Israel has an intelligence agency (or, at minimum, ignorant of how one functions). Others assume that Israel is indiscriminantly killing civilians, which is far from reality." Kevin47

Yeah I remember one poster who once thought that the UK was using the Euro as its currency. Ignorance abounds, right Kevin?

"I do think the phenomenon is part of a reflexive tendency to favor the darker skin color. This is undertstandable, given that the contemporary liberal worldview is steeped in the civil rights movement. As such, it is very difficult not to view this conflict through the lens of the movement. " Kevin47

That is a plausible explanation. An equally plausible explanation is that many who post here have gotten beyond the lower instincts inflamed by fundamentalist religion (such as tribalism) and they see Palestinians as image-bearers of the living God who are worthy of life and respect.

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by: BuckeyeDon

01-09-2009 @ 7:51pm

I heard a radio report a few months ago that said essentially this same thing. According to the report, within the next 20 years or so, Israeli Jews will become a minority population even within the borders of Israel proper, not counting the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The reason is the difference in birth rates between Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs. The report ended with the comment that, givin this demographic shift alone, Israel's long-term sustainability as an independent Jewish state might be questionable.

by: PASTOR JEFF

01-13-2009 @ 12:52am

JamesM: I'm the ignorant poster whose unaware of Israel's CIA. My post was intended to point out the fallibility of such agencies (WMDs notwithstanding) by questioning how the oft repeated claims that Israel was "targeting Hamas" could be verified. The capacity to misinterpret is vast on the part of some here. It's almost like they want to misunderstand. It's a good thing that these people are not negotiating for the peace in the Mid-East. Oh wait, they are!

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by: littleroundtop

01-13-2009 @ 4:13am

I was surprised . Usually notice Don on the far left and very supportive of the people here . But when he commends a persons comments I actually thought it meant something , despite dome common bias that most most hav from either side of the political spectrum . I saw Don support his statements and sources of information , But stating that a country be evacuated for thegood of the people who have soverignity of it sounds obviously bizare . Indeed that did happen at one time , the folks who did not evacuate were killed .
I suggest that the problem is the people demanding the evacuation and killing .
.

The best points here appear to be sarcasm, doctrinal contempt of dispensionalism, and a lack of speaking hat we do about people in control of Hamas who use their own citizens , women , children and even schools to hide their military hardware . one person even told me that it was not considered terrorism because they use missles and topped using suicide bombers . Was a good conversation , especially important pointsabout the casualities and innocent victims in Gaza and elsewhere .

by: DianaJH

01-09-2009 @ 8:10pm

WOW!! An excellant , Christ center, article. Thank you, Ali! Thank you! Yes we, each, are created in the image of God, each loved and each wanted.

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by: nuclearferret

01-08-2009 @ 9:19pm

Or we, the world, can get out of the way and allow the people involved to do the major work of creating the peace they will have to live by and with. If the solution is imposed on them, we will simply remain on the cycle of violence with Arab and Israeli.

by: nuclearferret

01-08-2009 @ 9:19pm

Or we, the world, can get out of the way and allow the people involved to do the major work of creating the peace they will have to live by and with. If the solution is imposed on them, we will simply remain on the cycle of violence with Arab and Israeli.

by: erbe

01-08-2009 @ 9:40pm

So are you willing to have the United States government stop supplying Israel with all forms of aid, military part, information, weapons systems, etc. except for the exact kind provided to the Palestinians? And in the same per capita amounts?

by: erbe

01-08-2009 @ 9:40pm

So are you willing to have the United States government stop supplying Israel with all forms of aid, military part, information, weapons systems, etc. except for the exact kind provided to the Palestinians? And in the same per capita amounts?

by: sarahinusa

01-08-2009 @ 9:47pm

Thank you. Best article I have read on the subject so far, because there is no hatred in your words.
Nuclearferret and erbe also underlined very good points, but forgot that unfortunately most governments have interest that strongly differ from their citizens's interest.
Thank you for including a comment from someone from Sderot: the world at large seems also to not inform us about those, in Israel, who actually oppose what is going on.

by: sarahinusa

01-08-2009 @ 9:47pm

Thank you. Best article I have read on the subject so far, because there is no hatred in your words.
Nuclearferret and erbe also underlined very good points, but forgot that unfortunately most governments have interest that strongly differ from their citizens's interest.
Thank you for including a comment from someone from Sderot: the world at large seems also to not inform us about those, in Israel, who actually oppose what is going on.

by: drdon

01-08-2009 @ 10:24pm

If we as Christians are indeed interested in acting in a practical way to show our love in this crisis, can someone say how? I have signed petitions-- who reads them? As was pointed out already, the politicians have their own agendas in this matter and it is usually lockstep support for the policies of the State of Israel. (The USA continues to veto any role for the UN Security Council in this crisis.) The Israelis are only allowing a pitifully few hours' truce ever other day to let relief supplies in to Gaza--how can bombed out hospitals, empty shops, etc., be restocked and rebuilt? I have made donations to UNICEF and the ICRC. One can give to Doctors Without Borders and other such humanitarian but not necessarily Christian NGOs. I am going to let the Fundamentalist Dispensationalists and Christian Zionists send their aid to Israel if they want to side with the Israeli settlers getting rocketed. I want to get some help to the long-suffering Palestinian Christians. Some one give me a web site or mailing address.
Praying for peace and reconciliation is of course an vital element in our faith. I and many others are no doubt doing that and it looks like we are going to have to keep doing that for a long long time. We must also keep in out prayers all those aid workers, relief agencies, and so on who work to alleviate suffering in this terrible situation.

by: drdon

01-08-2009 @ 10:24pm

If we as Christians are indeed interested in acting in a practical way to show our love in this crisis, can someone say how? I have signed petitions-- who reads them? As was pointed out already, the politicians have their own agendas in this matter and it is usually lockstep support for the policies of the State of Israel. (The USA continues to veto any role for the UN Security Council in this crisis.) The Israelis are only allowing a pitifully few hours' truce ever other day to let relief supplies in to Gaza--how can bombed out hospitals, empty shops, etc., be restocked and rebuilt? I have made donations to UNICEF and the ICRC. One can give to Doctors Without Borders and other such humanitarian but not necessarily Christian NGOs. I am going to let the Fundamentalist Dispensationalists and Christian Zionists send their aid to Israel if they want to side with the Israeli settlers getting rocketed. I want to get some help to the long-suffering Palestinian Christians. Some one give me a web site or mailing address.
Praying for peace and reconciliation is of course an vital element in our faith. I and many others are no doubt doing that and it looks like we are going to have to keep doing that for a long long time. We must also keep in out prayers all those aid workers, relief agencies, and so on who work to alleviate suffering in this terrible situation.

by: aquaman

01-08-2009 @ 11:39pm

I respectfully disagree. You can draw a straight line from the Holocaust, to the establishment of (and Western support for) the State of Israel, to the plight of the Palestinians. A just peace in Israel-Palestine is, in a very real sense, the unfinished business of the Second World War.

by: aquaman

01-08-2009 @ 11:39pm

I respectfully disagree. You can draw a straight line from the Holocaust, to the establishment of (and Western support for) the State of Israel, to the plight of the Palestinians. A just peace in Israel-Palestine is, in a very real sense, the unfinished business of the Second World War.

by: erbe

01-09-2009 @ 12:05am

Actually the Zionist movement was given it's first major impetus by the Balfour Declaration in the early 1900's. Palestine was part of the Ottoman empire and was a settled land ruled by the Turks. The Palestinians driven out by the Zionists are the refugees, some Palestinians however continued to live in Palestine/Israel and are Israeli citizens, albeit second class one.

You're right about the holocaust giving British and American politicians the so called "moral" imperative to disenfranchise the Palestinians in favor of the immigrant Jews.

by: erbe

01-09-2009 @ 12:05am

Actually the Zionist movement was given it's first major impetus by the Balfour Declaration in the early 1900's. Palestine was part of the Ottoman empire and was a settled land ruled by the Turks. The Palestinians driven out by the Zionists are the refugees, some Palestinians however continued to live in Palestine/Israel and are Israeli citizens, albeit second class one.

You're right about the holocaust giving British and American politicians the so called "moral" imperative to disenfranchise the Palestinians in favor of the immigrant Jews.

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:22am

Where was this Palestinian-Christian (who lives here in America) when Hamas was dropping rockets on Israel?

Oh, that's right, he was busy coordinating anti-Israeli PR projects, and otherwise generally not giving a flying fuck about whether Israel might have a right to defend themselves against violence.

Hit the minus button all you like.

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:22am

Where was this Palestinian-Christian (who lives here in America) when Hamas was dropping rockets on Israel?

Oh, that's right, he was busy coordinating anti-Israeli PR projects, and otherwise generally not giving a flying fuck about whether Israel might have a right to defend themselves against violence.

Hit the minus button all you like.

by: martingugino

01-09-2009 @ 11:43am

We here at the "Mile High Club" feel killing children is wrong, as is pushing Gaza into the sea.

by: martingugino

01-09-2009 @ 11:43am

We here at the "Mile High Club" feel killing children is wrong, as is pushing Gaza into the sea.

by: agarber

01-09-2009 @ 1:16pm

I am with drdon. I would like to know what practically I can do to ease the suffering for both sides. kevin 47, I would be a little slower to judge. My experience is that when one has been touched by the kind of compassion that comes from understanding their Creator's heart for all God's creatures, that it doesn't matter where or who is experiencing the suffering. Our hearts will bleed.

by: agarber

01-09-2009 @ 1:16pm

I am with drdon. I would like to know what practically I can do to ease the suffering for both sides. kevin 47, I would be a little slower to judge. My experience is that when one has been touched by the kind of compassion that comes from understanding their Creator's heart for all God's creatures, that it doesn't matter where or who is experiencing the suffering. Our hearts will bleed.

by: erbe

01-09-2009 @ 3:17pm

Well said Kevin. Your way with words reminds me that "anyone" can post on this site.

by: erbe

01-09-2009 @ 3:17pm

Well said Kevin. Your way with words reminds me that "anyone" can post on this site.

by: BuckeyeDon

01-09-2009 @ 3:58pm

I did more than hit the minus button, Kevin. Your comment is totally out of line, and your use of vulgar language unnecessary and inappropriate for this forum. I flagged this.

Please re-read Ali's comments and then tell me honestly whether it isn't the most evenhanded treatment of the situation you have read.

Shame on you for allowing your ideology to denigrate and vilify Ali's impartial comments in such a vulgar way.

by: BuckeyeDon

01-09-2009 @ 3:58pm

I did more than hit the minus button, Kevin. Your comment is totally out of line, and your use of vulgar language unnecessary and inappropriate for this forum. I flagged this.

Please re-read Ali's comments and then tell me honestly whether it isn't the most evenhanded treatment of the situation you have read.

Shame on you for allowing your ideology to denigrate and vilify Ali's impartial comments in such a vulgar way.

by: SisterMarie

01-09-2009 @ 4:46pm

I helped raise my children and now I hold grandchildren and great-grandchildren in my arms. I have not yet come to the conclusion that all armed conflict is unnecessary. But my heart is grieved by the slaughter that is presently going on in Gaza and Israel. Killing women and children on a large scale defies all concepts of proportionality. I'm afraid that what Israel is doing now is ensuring that a whole generation of Palestinians will accept the premise that violence is the only solution.

(I do not do minus or plus buttons - I think it is a form of censorship.)

by: SisterMarie

01-09-2009 @ 4:46pm

I helped raise my children and now I hold grandchildren and great-grandchildren in my arms. I have not yet come to the conclusion that all armed conflict is unnecessary. But my heart is grieved by the slaughter that is presently going on in Gaza and Israel. Killing women and children on a large scale defies all concepts of proportionality. I'm afraid that what Israel is doing now is ensuring that a whole generation of Palestinians will accept the premise that violence is the only solution.

(I do not do minus or plus buttons - I think it is a form of censorship.)

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:29pm

It has nothing to do with ideology. Acquiescence to moral equivalency here is absolutely vulgar. Sojo's Palestinian row is utterly silent on the issue of violence until Israel acts and Hamas sympathizers start issuing press releases. Then, and only then, do we here about working together, and the need for a proportional response (which is an absurd notion).

This article feigns even-handedness, but note this passage:

"Meanwhile, young Israeli men and women are on the way to Gaza. They are actors in a stage not of their making, victims of the past. The basest of them take vengeance in their anger, and the compassionate are caught between sympathy and duty."

In other words, there are two types of Israelie soldiers. Angry murderers, and those who feel bad about their duty. The notion that Israeli's might feel that their "duty" is to protect their country, and therefore good, doesn't even cross the author's mind.

It is unrealistic to expect an outright "side with Palestine" post, because it isn't yet politically correct to do so. I assure you that it will come.

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:29pm

It has nothing to do with ideology. Acquiescence to moral equivalency here is absolutely vulgar. Sojo's Palestinian row is utterly silent on the issue of violence until Israel acts and Hamas sympathizers start issuing press releases. Then, and only then, do we here about working together, and the need for a proportional response (which is an absurd notion).

This article feigns even-handedness, but note this passage:

"Meanwhile, young Israeli men and women are on the way to Gaza. They are actors in a stage not of their making, victims of the past. The basest of them take vengeance in their anger, and the compassionate are caught between sympathy and duty."

In other words, there are two types of Israelie soldiers. Angry murderers, and those who feel bad about their duty. The notion that Israeli's might feel that their "duty" is to protect their country, and therefore good, doesn't even cross the author's mind.

It is unrealistic to expect an outright "side with Palestine" post, because it isn't yet politically correct to do so. I assure you that it will come.

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:34pm

I haven't been quick to judge. I have seen essentially the same post, over and over, every time Israel takes any sort of action to protect themselves. In the last couple of weeks, there have been what, eight posts tsk-tsking the Israelis and asking us to regard both sides?

Is there not one person in this organization (or it's affiliated organizations) who has the guts to say "you know, Israel isn't perfect, but they can't do nothing in the face of rocket blasts."

That would be an even-handed assessment.

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:34pm

I haven't been quick to judge. I have seen essentially the same post, over and over, every time Israel takes any sort of action to protect themselves. In the last couple of weeks, there have been what, eight posts tsk-tsking the Israelis and asking us to regard both sides?

Is there not one person in this organization (or it's affiliated organizations) who has the guts to say "you know, Israel isn't perfect, but they can't do nothing in the face of rocket blasts."

That would be an even-handed assessment.

by: erbe

01-09-2009 @ 6:35pm

I hope it comes soon.

by: erbe

01-09-2009 @ 6:35pm

I hope it comes soon.

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:37pm

Exactly.

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:37pm

Exactly.

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:42pm

As is Israel's very existence, eh?

by: kevin47

01-09-2009 @ 6:42pm

As is Israel's very existence, eh?

by: thing1

01-09-2009 @ 6:50pm

Oh come, oh come, Emmanuel! We need Jesus, our Prince of Peace, so desperately.

We're praying for peace. Does anyone know of anything else we can do to work for peace or ease the suffering for both sides?

by: thing1

01-09-2009 @ 6:50pm

Oh come, oh come, Emmanuel! We need Jesus, our Prince of Peace, so desperately.

We're praying for peace. Does anyone know of anything else we can do to work for peace or ease the suffering for both sides?

by: erbe

01-09-2009 @ 7:21pm

I'm afraid there will not be a Middle East peace until Israel is destroyed as a Zionist state. The Zionist have proven over and over again that they cannot treat non-Jews with anything but disdain and contempt.

Considering the Muslim population of the world and the population of the Zionists I think Israel's days as a Zionist state are numbered. Japan changed after a devastating war, South Africa changed, Israel too will be forced to learn to live as a civilized country.

by: erbe

01-09-2009 @ 7:21pm

I'm afraid there will not be a Middle East peace until Israel is destroyed as a Zionist state. The Zionist have proven over and over again that they cannot treat non-Jews with anything but disdain and contempt.

Considering the Muslim population of the world and the population of the Zionists I think Israel's days as a Zionist state are numbered. Japan changed after a devastating war, South Africa changed, Israel too will be forced to learn to live as a civilized country.

by: BuckeyeDon

01-09-2009 @ 7:51pm

I heard a radio report a few months ago that said essentially this same thing. According to the report, within the next 20 years or so, Israeli Jews will become a minority population even within the borders of Israel proper, not counting the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The reason is the difference in birth rates between Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs. The report ended with the comment that, givin this demographic shift alone, Israel's long-term sustainability as an independent Jewish state might be questionable.

by: BuckeyeDon

01-09-2009 @ 7:51pm

I heard a radio report a few months ago that said essentially this same thing. According to the report, within the next 20 years or so, Israeli Jews will become a minority population even within the borders of Israel proper, not counting the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The reason is the difference in birth rates between Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs. The report ended with the comment that, givin this demographic shift alone, Israel's long-term sustainability as an independent Jewish state might be questionable.

by: DianaJH

01-09-2009 @ 8:10pm

WOW!! An excellant , Christ center, article. Thank you, Ali! Thank you! Yes we, each, are created in the image of God, each loved and each wanted.

by: DianaJH

01-09-2009 @ 8:10pm

WOW!! An excellant , Christ center, article. Thank you, Ali! Thank you! Yes we, each, are created in the image of God, each loved and each wanted.

by: BuckeyeDon

01-09-2009 @ 8:15pm

Enjoy eating those sour grapes, Kevin.

by: BuckeyeDon

01-09-2009 @ 8:15pm

Enjoy eating those sour grapes, Kevin.

by: SisterMarie

01-09-2009 @ 8:48pm

Unless Israel is prepared to kill every single Palestinian in Gaza, they should find a way to begin negotiating an end to the violence and to begin creating a lasting peace in which both sides can live normal lives. Neither Jehovah or Allah can sanction the slaughter that continues there.

It seems to me that the surest way to create a virtual powder keg in which human beings are willing to attach explosives to their bodies is to continue the killing there. Unfortunately, the United States has little credibility there in attempting to mitigate the violence as the planes and weapons originated in our country and because of our own intervention in an Arab country that did not attack us.

As we gather in our churches, synagogues, and mosques this weekend, let us pray for an end to this conflict.

by: SisterMarie

01-09-2009 @ 8:48pm

Unless Israel is prepared to kill every single Palestinian in Gaza, they should find a way to begin negotiating an end to the violence and to begin creating a lasting peace in which both sides can live normal lives. Neither Jehovah or Allah can sanction the slaughter that continues there.

It seems to me that the surest way to create a virtual powder keg in which human beings are willing to attach explosives to their bodies is to continue the killing there. Unfortunately, the United States has little credibility there in attempting to mitigate the violence as the planes and weapons originated in our country and because of our own intervention in an Arab country that did not attack us.

As we gather in our churches, synagogues, and mosques this weekend, let us pray for an end to this conflict.

by: Kevin Wayne

01-09-2009 @ 10:19pm

"Acquiescence to moral equivalency here is absolutely vulgar. "

Yeah, doggone those Liberals who wrote the Bible and said "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," eh? When will they realize wealthy white Americans don't count ;-)

I have to say- and I was surprised to see this on Fox news of all things, but Geraldo actually interviewed a member of the Palestinian Leadership Council and she told him- (roughly) "You have known me for years and you know I have no love for Hamas", but she went on to say Israel's years of land acquisition, controlling the movement of Palestinians, and building that wall have left people disillusioned and they turn to groups like Hamas as a result,

In other words, Israel may "say" they recognize the rights of the Palestinians to exist, but their actions are another matter.

And you can call me vulgar all you want. Seeing all as falling short is the position God wants me to have *wide grin*

We finally see you for your true colors, Mr Kevin, who unfortunately bears the same name as me. You're angry because God judges everyone equally, when you only want him to judge in favor of you.

by: Kevin Wayne

01-09-2009 @ 10:19pm

"Acquiescence to moral equivalency here is absolutely vulgar. "

Yeah, doggone those Liberals who wrote the Bible and said "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," eh? When will they realize wealthy white Americans don't count ;-)

I have to say- and I was surprised to see this on Fox news of all things, but Geraldo actually interviewed a member of the Palestinian Leadership Council and she told him- (roughly) "You have known me for years and you know I have no love for Hamas", but she went on to say Israel's years of land acquisition, controlling the movement of Palestinians, and building that wall have left people disillusioned and they turn to groups like Hamas as a result,

In other words, Israel may "say" they recognize the rights of the Palestinians to exist, but their actions are another matter.

And you can call me vulgar all you want. Seeing all as falling short is the position God wants me to have *wide grin*

We finally see you for your true colors, Mr Kevin, who unfortunately bears the same name as me. You're angry because God judges everyone equally, when you only want him to judge in favor of you.

by: Kevin Wayne

01-09-2009 @ 10:23pm

"As is Israel's very existence, eh?"

Far be it from me to know why anyone who is of Jewish blood would want to stay there when they are not welcome. All they need to do is pack up & leave. Problem solved.

by: Kevin Wayne

01-09-2009 @ 10:23pm

"As is Israel's very existence, eh?"

Far be it from me to know why anyone who is of Jewish blood would want to stay there when they are not welcome. All they need to do is pack up & leave. Problem solved.