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The first female president of the Disciples of Christ.

The president of the Islamic Society of North America (who also happens to be a woman).

Three rabbis.

Bono.

And one Hawaiian shirt-wearing mega-church pastor.

What do they have in common, besides taking part in the official festivities surrounding Barack Obama's inauguration as the 44th president of the United States?

They're all praying.

All of them.

Sure, Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Southern California, whose sartorial sense leans more toward Jimmy Buffett than Billy Graham, is giving the official invocation at the inauguration Tuesday. But Obama has invited a number of other prominent religious leaders -- from his own Christian tradition and others -- to provide spiritual support.

Much was made of Warren's being chosen to fill the role so often played by Graham in inaugurals past. (Graham, 90, is not in good health and no longer travels far from his home in the mountains above Asheville, N.C.)

A lot of people call Warren a homophobe. Granted, he did support Proposition 8 in California, to outlaw gay marriage, a move I thought was both thoroughly wrongheaded and out of character for him. Homosexuality and gay issues have hardly been the hallmark of Warren's ministry at Saddleback and his uber-bestseller, The Purpose Driven Life.

Like many traditional religious people, Warren believes homosexual acts -- if not homosexuality itself -- are sinful, per scripture. But does that make him a homophobe?

I'm still on the semantic fence about that one. Plenty of people saw Warren's invitation to pray over the newly sworn-in president as a slap in the face of the gay community.

Some of that outrage was tempered when word got out earlier this week that Bishop V. Gene Robinson, the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church -- and the man whose ordination sparked so much tumult in the American church and within the worldwide Anglican community -- will lead prayers Sunday at the official kickoff of the inauguration festivities at the Lincoln Memorial. Among the artists providing the musical portion of the celebration/service at the Lincoln Memorial are Bono, Bruce Springsteen, James Taylor, Stevie Wonder, Beyonce, Mary J. Blige, will.i.am., and Garth Brooks.

During the National Prayer Service at the National Cathedral on Jan. 21 - the day after the inauguration - Obama has asked the Rev. Sharon Watkins to preach. She is the first female president of the Christian Church, better known as the Disciples of Christ. Also participating in the prayer service is Sojourners' own Jim Wallis as well as the Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, a Texas minister and close confidant of George W. Bush who officiated at the wedding of Bush's daughter Jenna last spring.

So ... I'm not sensing any kind of covert sectarian message in Obama's ecclesiastical choices for the inauguration.

Still there is a message being conveyed, be it spiritual or political or both.

When I look at the lineup and design of the faith-infused events around Obama's inaugural, I see a new story -- one of radical inclusion that echoes the plurality of our new president's spiritual and social formation as a child. His mother, a secular humanist for lack of a better no-size-fits-all label, exposed her children to Christianity as well as Islam and other world religions, cultures, and philosophies. She was a student of the world and her children were, too.

When Obama embraced Christianity, he did it as an adult. The choice was his, and he chose the historic black church and the United Church of Christ denomination. (According Associated Press reports today, Obama also has asked the Rev. T.D. Jakes, pastor of the 28,000-strong Potter's Church in Dallas, to deliver the sermon at the private worship service he plans to attend at St. John's Episcopal Church in D.C. on the morning of his inaugural.) He also lives next door to a synagogue in Kenwood and knew the rabbi there well enough to call him his own.

If the religious voices involved in celebrating his inauguration are a harbinger of his political style, they say to me that the Obama administration will be one marked by collaboration and cooperation, not coercion or mandate (divine or otherwise).

"I take this to be an indication of how he intends to govern -- moving away from the polarization and bitter partisanship of the past," said Randall Balmer, professor of American religious history at Barnard University in New York and author of God in the White House: A History: How Faith Shaped the Presidency from John F. Kennedy to George W. Bush. "It's more inclusive. He's bringing more people around the table and allowing them to express themselves."

"He's somebody who knows his own mind and yet is willing to entertain differing opinions and points of view, unlike the current president," Balmer said. "I think it's an administrative and executive style that represents a dramatic break from the past."

His choice of Warren may have been motivated by political strategy, or it may have been far more pastoral and personal. While they've been friendly for a number of years, as Warren and other prominent evangelical leaders began to turn their attention (at last!) to moral issues such as AIDS in Africa, global poverty, and the environment, the relationship between the pastor and the president-elect has not been perfect. I'm told there were a few bumps in the road after the so-called "Civil Forum" at Saddleback, where Warren hosted Obama and John McCain. Some folks felt McCain was given an unfair advantage, while Obama was blindsided.

"It shows that he's a big man," Balmer said of Obama's invitation to Warren to pray at the inaugural. "He's a gracious person. Boy, what a welcome change that's going to be."

Can I get an "amen"?

Cathleen Falsani is the religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times and author of the new book Sin Boldly: A Field Guide for Grace.

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by: BuckeyeDon

01-17-2009 @ 3:53pm

"Let us give him the respect and lift him up in prayer..."

With all the serious and potentially debilitating problems he will have to address, he certainly needs all of our prayers, even the prayers of those who wish he hadn't been elected. Being president is a thankless job--I often wonder why anyone would seek for it. But we can be sure our prayers for his safety and for wisdom will be heard and answered.

by: James_Jackson

01-17-2009 @ 4:14pm

"Blessed are the peacemakers." I see this verse quoted often on this web site. Is Jesus saying only those who make peace are blessed and those who make war are not? If so then Neville Chamberlain who signed a peace document with Adolph Hitler is blessed and Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt who fought the evil Nazi and Japanese regimes are not. Jesus, the same God yesterday, today, and forever, commanded Joshua and the Jews to take the cities of Canaan and destroy them. Jesus will come again and destroy the armies of the world at His second coming. As Ecclesiastes states there is "a time for war and a time for peace." As to the second quoted verse, what did Jesus mean when He said to turn the other cheek when someone slapped you? Did He literally mean to let someone just keep beating you without putting up a defense or did He mean don't get revenge on someone? Jesus Himself gave us the answer to this question. When He was standing before the San Hedrin at His trial one of the high priest's men slapped Jesus on the cheek. Did Jesus turn and offer him His other cheek? No, Jesus reproved him asking the man why he struck Him if He wasn't lying. The New Testament is absolutely clear that Jesus is the only way to God. All the tolerance in the world will not get someone into heaven. Compromising the truths of God's word will not save one soul. You may make everyone feel good in this life but it will not help them in the next. The bible makes it clear that if humans' hearts are not changed from within the result will be separation from God and His truths. The sad fact is that "the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:4) Christians are to " Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:5-6) Our speech to non-believers is to be gracious yet seasoned with the "salt" of God's truths.

by: BlueDeacon

01-17-2009 @ 4:20pm

You haven't been paying much attention. On the 700 Club just after 9/11 Jerry Falwell blamed gays (among others) for removing "God's hedge of protection" around the U.S. My place of employment regularly receives faxes from the Fred Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church. And several years ago my pastor refused to circulate an anti-gay petition in the church because it was unnecessarily incendiary.

by: nmunick

01-17-2009 @ 4:24pm

Rachel Maddow is as Far-Left as they come, and never passes up an opportunity to ridicule evangelical Christians.

by: BlueDeacon

01-17-2009 @ 4:32pm

If so then Neville Chamberlain who signed a peace document with Adolph Hitler is blessed and Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt who fought the evil Nazi and Japanese regimes are not.

Bad example. When Hitler was consolidating power in Europe much of the continent -- as did the U.S. -- feared Communism more than Nazism; Chamberlain thus dealt with the devil he didn't know.

As to the second quoted verse, what did Jesus mean when He said to turn the other cheek when someone slapped you? Did He literally mean to let someone just keep beating you without putting up a defense or did He mean don't get revenge on someone?

Once again, there's more to the story. In the context in which Jesus spoke on the Sermon on the Mount, he was talking about dealing with Rome; in that culture being slapped on the right cheek (that is, being "backhanded") was a sign of subservience, but being slapped on the left represented social equality.

Our speech to non-believers is to be gracious yet seasoned with the "salt" of God's truths.

That Barack Obama will be inaugurated next week should tell us that many Christians haven't done that and had no interest in doing so.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-16-2009 @ 9:05pm

Rick Warren is completely ignorant about homosexuality and he believes that if a person repents of his homosexual orientation and accepts Jesus as his savior, he won't be a homosexual anymore.

Warren's Saddleback Church has an ex-gay ministry. But, the truth is there is no such thing as an ex-gay/ex-lesbian/ex-homosexual.

There seems to be quite a bit of controversy about Warren's AIDS in Africa program.

by: SojoMC

01-17-2009 @ 5:04pm

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by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-16-2009 @ 9:17pm

I clicked that link to Randall Balmer's book and I see that he used the speeches of the Presidents to base his opinions.

Well I meet Doug Wead when he was an Assemblies of God missionary before he became a member of the speech writing staff of Ronald Reagan. He also helped write George H. W. Bush's speeches, too.

Apparently, the soon to be out of office President, George W. Bush, also has a number of ordained Christian ministers on his speech writing staff. One time, he said "There is power, power, working power in the American People." Well, that line apparently came from the Hymn, "Power in the Blood," which has the line, "There is power, power, wonder working power in the Blood of the Lamb."

I did some research on George W. Bush's salvation history and found out that before he said the "sinner's prayer" with Billy Graham, he had said the same prayer with two other evangelists before that and one of them was Arthur Blessitt, who has traveled the world with a large crosss.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-16-2009 @ 9:26pm

Added comment here: Rick Warren suffers from more than homophobia (meaning fear of homosexuals), he also has a problem with his homomisia (meaning hatred of homosexuals) "misia" is the Greek word for "hatred."

The links to the anti-gay and ex-gay stuff were removed from Warren's Saddleback Church website; but, I would not be surprised if they are just temporarily hidden web pages and will be put back after Inauguration Day.

Warren has not apologized for the slanderous remarks he made about gays before Barack Obama asked him to give the invocation.

In my opinion, Rich Warren is like the 21st Century Jerry Falwell. Falwell called homosexuals "brute beasts" on a live San Francisco radio program which he later denied. Falwell said that if anyone could prove he actually said that, he would give the person who produced the proof so much money. Well, the radio station recorded in interview and gave a person the copy of it. Falwell refused to pay up after proof was provided.

by: kevin47

01-17-2009 @ 5:57pm

I don't bitterly oppose the anti-war view. I do oppose the selective invocation of those verses in opposition to certain war efforts, but not all war efforts.

by: kevin47

01-17-2009 @ 6:11pm

"Bad example."

Not in this context. James is pointing out that simply calling for "peace" does not make one peaceful, and that the verse is used out of context. This example illustrates well, especially given your analysis, which is correct. History was unfair to Chamberlain, kinda...

"Once again, there's more to the story. "

If we cede your interpretation (which is as fair as any), you are still left with the conclusion that the verse here is used badly out of context, which again is James' point.

In both scenarios, scripture is used as a trump card, rather than a tool for shedding light on an argument.

by: kevin47

01-16-2009 @ 10:01pm

"he believes that if a person repents of his homosexual orientation and accepts Jesus as his savior, he won't be a homosexual anymore."

Where has he said this?

"But, the truth is there is no such thing as an ex-gay/ex-lesbian/ex-homosexual. "

Sure there is. Many people who had once engaged in homosexual behavior now have happy marriages, or no longer engage in the behavior. The ministry, to my understanding, is mostly about keeping the thought life under control.

"There seems to be quite a bit of controversy about Warren's AIDS in Africa program."

Well, that's a nebulous criticism.

by: kevin47

01-16-2009 @ 10:07pm

"The links to the anti-gay and ex-gay stuff were removed from Warren's Saddleback Church website;"

If this is true, then this is evidence that he is NOT hateful, not that he is. To which sites are your referring?

"Warren has not apologized for the slanderous remarks he made about gays before Barack Obama asked him to give the invocation. "

Which slanderous remarks were these?

"In my opinion, Rich Warren is like the 21st Century Jerry Falwell."

If you are going to make this comparison, you should cite something that Warren said. Otherwise, you are simply expressing the fact that you have an opinion, which isn't particularly consequential.

by: James_Jackson

01-17-2009 @ 7:23pm

The European leaders were trying to avoid a repeat of the horrible destruction of the First World War which had occurred just twenty years earlier. They were so willing to maintain peace that they sacrificed the countries of Austria and Czechoslovakia to Hitler. If World War II had been delayed much longer it is possible that German scientists under the Nazi regime might have invented the atom bomb first. I've read the sermon on the mount and I don't see Jesus make a distinction between a subservient slap and a social slap.

by: Mark Baker-Wright

01-16-2009 @ 10:09pm

I think you're being unfair to Warren. Unless, that is, you want to make the case (as per Falsani's question) that anyone who believes that the Bible does indeed say that homosexual actions are sinful is, in fact, both a homophobe and a homomisiac, by definition.

But, if that's your assertion, it would have been better to actually MAKE that case, rather than simply calling Warren names.

by: littleroundtop

01-17-2009 @ 7:26pm

"I think it shows that he wants to have something for everyone, which is neither unusual nor impressive. "

I think Obama does stand for many things and is a principled man . I believe he is more committed to liberal views then GW was to conservative views . These celebrations are much for his strongest supporters , and shows gratitude to his base while being able to be seen by the nation . He is doing away with Don't ask don' tell in the military , perhaps to keep us political religious political junkies happy he should have used the don't ask just pray rules for the swearing in . ;0)

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by: kevin47

01-16-2009 @ 10:11pm

""It shows that he's a big man," Balmer said of Obama's invitation to Warren to pray at the inaugural. "He's a gracious person. Boy, what a welcome change that's going to be.""

I think it shows that he wants to have something for everyone, which is neither unusual nor impressive. If you stand for everything, you stand for nothing, and this hodge-podge of faithy characters, collectively, probably stands for just about everything.

Randall Balmer is a universalist, and I think his delight simply stems from the fact that he agrees with the decision to include all faiths.

by: WitnessforPeace

01-23-2009 @ 1:18pm

HI Wavetossed. I guess that explains why we are friends--we are both willing or even eager to think for ourselves and not accept what we "must" believe without thinking about it first.
In high school, one of the teachers declared "gripe day" --write what bugs you&read it aloud to the class. I was the target of one or more of the of the inclass "gripers". By God's grace, I was absent and didn't get to burn with shame as one of the football players said, sarcastically, that I "had nice legs" Ben was, of course, saying I was effeminate. (I now accept the "nice legs" part as a compliment--after years of low self image, I'm finally realizing I'm fairly decent looking). I know the whole "different" thing to a lesser extent than some, but more than most. Having grown up, Ben the ballplayer (irrelevant detail: his brother was good enough to get
some sort of scholarship to Princeton) is friendly at reunions.
Back to your post--I had forgotten the part about the judge and the mom in the M.Sheppard case. Judges are supposed to exercise "judgment" and this one did. Younger kids, at least, only know about Christians from the play about that incident and one allegedly about William Jennings Bryan. He was, in fact, a progressive Democrat and probably the only Secretary of State to ever be a pacifist. Back to me--both of my grandfathers were pacifists.
Blessings,

by: nmunick

01-16-2009 @ 10:23pm

I find these remarks to be very troubling. Dennis Jernigan is a formerly gay worship singer who overcame his homosexuality through faith. There are other similar stories. As far a Rick Warren is concerned, he's right on. The Bible is very clear that Homosexuality is not a behavior which God intended us to engage in. On the same note, Christians should not engage in homophobic behavior, rather bear loving witness to our homosexual neighbors as they, and all humans, bear the image of God. That does not mean however, that we can accept homosexual behavior as an acceptable activity. We all sin. And we should show love to people whatever their sins may be. But that does not allow us to justify the sin, and the bible is quite clear that homosexuality is a sin. Likewise, the choice of the Episcopal church to ordain an openly Gay minister was the wrong decision.

by: littleroundtop

01-20-2009 @ 7:56pm

Rachel Meadow is the Sean Hannity of the left on CNBC . But they actually gave her a anchor jb . From Air America , and plays gotcha like Sean Hannity did with Reverend Wright and other lefties that Obama Barack associated with . Sound bites that are meant to give you a low opinion of an individual in order to discredit their view point in other matters .

The left does it , the right does it , its done here by Sojourners and at times they honorably stand above the fray.

by: littleroundtop

01-17-2009 @ 8:25pm

Good point
Yes I actually spoke to our Pastor from allowing a petition that stopped adoptive parents being homosexual in our church also . But what Falwell stated is different then advocating for traditional marriage, they are different subjects . I also take some account of the age of people when I listen to their rhetoric. Not that Falwell or Robertson are justified for their rhetoric, or you or me for that matter .

Younger then 30 age , even kids who come from Bibically based homes have much less concern about gay political issues , even gay marriage . Statistically they say we are less a Bibically knowlegeable as years go by , but I would say the culture , public school system has changed much of this view also . In lessening the harshest in which gays are treated or viewed upon I would say that was a good thing . The mind set that is used in doing so , all roads lead to Rome , I disagree with .

by: littleroundtop

01-20-2009 @ 8:05pm

Rick when you speak to the religious right , are you speaking to the majority of Evangelicals who have no concern actually for political power ?

Because from my experience , most Evangelicals are less likely to become politically active then other religious groups . In my opinion its why a few have taken religion and used it for political power. know you disagree , but I see the same thing in the black community . Both are changing and that is good in my opinion.

by: littleroundtop

01-17-2009 @ 8:36pm

nmunick I always wondered how or why a Christian Church would knowingly ordain a person having a sexual relationship and then even make that relationship as something that it used to describe the Priest .
This just does NOT sound like a gay friendly denomination to me . If someone is your friend , don't you tell them the truth ? As if the Bible, its Truth , its Love , Its way to live better is not meant for you because your gay .

by: tmccool

01-16-2009 @ 10:55pm

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for the most reasoned, even-handed, and level-headed response to who's a-prayin' and why. Too many have focused on "Why I'm so angry about this and why you should be too" instead of why Obama has made these choices and what he hopes to accomplish. Excellent post. Thank you, thank you and thank you again!!!!

by: jesse3

01-16-2009 @ 10:57pm

-The first openly gay Episcopal bishop.
-The first female president of the Disciples of Christ.
-The president of the Islamic Society of North America.
-Three rabbis.
-Bono.
-One evangelical pastor.

And who does the writer go out of her way to criticize?

by: BlueDeacon

01-20-2009 @ 8:47pm

Actually, more evangelicals than you believe have interest in power -- perhaps not political per se but cultural (which is why you still have Christian radio and TV), and those appeals to cultural power haven't softened. It's just that many were seduced by the political, which was originally a tool to gain cultural power, and it's also why many people, most notably James Dobson, cannot give in to the present political reality that the "culture war" is lost.

BTW, that never really happened in the black community, which in fact has matured over the past decade or so. Compared to before, only a handful of bombthrowers inhabit the halls of power today because it as a whole has become more comfortable with it and the levers of power are less and less daunting.

by: kevin47

01-17-2009 @ 10:40pm

This is completely unfair. Justintime cuts and pastes excessive, over-the-top, derogatory name calling in the cause of disparaging people who have different political views. Joe's work is 100% original.

by: Lord_Voldemort

01-16-2009 @ 11:05pm

"The first openly gay Episcopal bishop.

The first female president of the Disciples of Christ.

The president of the Islamic Society of North America (who also happens to be a woman).

Three rabbis.

Bono.

And one Hawaiian shirt-wearing mega-church pastor.

What do they have in common, besides taking part in the official festivities surrounding Barack Obama's inauguration as the 44th president of the United States?"

There was this one time when they all walked into a bar...

LV

by: JamesM

01-16-2009 @ 11:10pm

You get a big "Amen!" from me. Thanks for this post.

by: BlueDeacon

01-18-2009 @ 1:47am

I don't agree with that. The tactics and attitude of the "traditionalists" that became de rigueur in the 1980s were informed by the 1960s culture war, which by definition was "us against them" but, really, in the long run had nothing to do with the Gospel. The generation behind just doesn't look at things that way because they're just not into defeating enemies.

by: martingugino

01-16-2009 @ 11:11pm

RE: hatred (in general)
I find I hate to hear Bush blather. I think that the notion that Bush can lie and get away with it is what causes disgust (and borderline hate?) to well up in me. I wonder if this is not the same origin as so much of the "hate-talk" one hears of nowadays - a projection of ones own hate reaction; viz Joe_Allen Doty's post above on "homomisia ": Warren's projected hate of homosexuals.

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by: Pashe

01-18-2009 @ 2:14am

But she's not ridiculing evangelicals. She's just pointing out a simple fact that Rick Warren did compare homosexual relationships to incest. That's not saying that evangelicals are fools. I recognize your feelings about being made fun of but this is not one of those times. Rick Warren did compare loving same gender couples to reprehensible things like incest and pedophilia.

That sucks. That's not ok love is supposed non-judgmental.

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by: 2bornot2b

01-16-2009 @ 11:36pm

Cathleen, I will not give an "Amen" to Obama being a gracious man, not a this point. Please do not forget, that although Christians are tolerant and forgiving, our
Lord is still the Way, the Truth and the Light. Obama is doing nothing more than being tolerant to Warren. Obama's support from aggressive homosexuals, as well
as the fact that he knowingly hid his vote against the born alive infant protection act
show him to be a deceptive, power hungry politican.

by: littleroundtop

01-18-2009 @ 2:14am

Everything is not from the culture wars of recent times . In the 1870s the
Federal Government was sued by a group in Utah based on the First Amendment
for marriage "rights" . They lost the case and in a Federal Court, and the
Judge reasoning was partly just the traditional widely held beliefs I was
talking to .
I do agree that in today's organized religious political climate of the
right has made it a just a culture war .
But consider the majority of African Americans voted for traditional
marriage in California, despite from what you have told me is almost hatred
for the religious right.

by: littleroundtop

01-20-2009 @ 10:25pm

I totally disagree . Yes their is a us against the world mentality in the
Christian culture . That is something that needs to be addressed and taken
off the yoke of believers . A preferable way is in fact showing the love
through Christ and being the culture , not promoting a culture that is not .
But its not about power . In fact its everything that has little to do with
power to the average Evangelical . To who the majority of Evangelicals have
little concern or none for political power. Its why Religious Right Leaders
have gained so much power , issues like life , family , and such which
transcends politics was able to be used for political gain . Evangelicals
trusted political gain to those who shared Biblical beliefs. Yes one can
say a James Dobson is wrong to do so , but you fail to see how Jim Wallis
has done the same . Only because he is closer to your political views I gain
only surmise , because to the cause of Christ he has been dividing not
uniting . Many Evangelicals don't even vote , civic irresponsibility but
that is not because of just their Christians as American citizens I believe
it is our responsibility to vote. All of us. . Issues of Faith taken
captivity for political gain I find distasteful the older I get, which the
religious left does also .
Especially seen here by the one sided view of issues presented , as the
religious right and leaders of the Black Community also present , still
today regardless of your belief they do not . That is changing , here in
Seattle our state is getting sued by the NAACP . They are closing Seattle
schools , mainly black schools . nAACP for the most part , if always
everywhere else I have read about is against school choice . Here in the
Seattle area , local Civil Rights Leaders have taken the issue from a local
perspective , what is best for the kids locally . They have come out for
charters , and now they are coming against a tradition in this area to
underfund and discriminate against lower income areas in this area that are
people of color . Yet speaking to school choice between you and me before
Not a culture your view sounded like it is was talking points from the
secular left , yet the black community here has transcended that perspective
to what is best for this area , these kids . Regardless if the so called
religious right agrees or the National NAACP . Thats the culture I believe
Christianity in its purest form delivers . Freedom from ideology .
I understand a view that sees a culture that promotes say segration, slavery
and uses religion to promote those views as religion being used in any form
as hostile .. We are talking about two different things . I am not talking
about religion being used for a political view of say more or less
government . But a culture that treats its poor better , treats its homeless
better , treats its elderly and those without better. Basically what the
secular left stands for in many instances . But don't think for a moment
secularism to many people is just another form of enforcing a cultural power
that denies others also. Especially to those who Hold God up as their Hope.

by: BlueDeacon

01-20-2009 @ 11:51pm

You completely contradicted yourself in a numbe of places. Dobson, for openers, has always used his platform as a springboard to power; in fact, he's been called on the carpet by other conservatives who believe in his entire agenda but responds by denouncing them.

You are correct that the NAACP has opposed vouchers ("school choice" isn't entirely accurate because the issue is, generally, who pays and how) because such programs don't fund private schools to the extent that anyone can enter; therefore, only more affluent parents can take advantage of them in the first place.

But don't think for a moment
secularism to many people is just another form of enforcing a cultural power
that denies others also. Especially to those who Hold God up as their Hope.

The classic conservative view, even as it's fostered by "religious conservatives," is actually more secular than they realize -- because their goals were never about working the least of these, only more for themselves. That's what I was getting at -- and one reason the Republican Party lost badly over the last two election cycles. They actually took a self-centered political ideology and stamped "God" on it, and I think I know Him well enough that He would not allow that to happen for very long.

by: JamesM

01-17-2009 @ 12:11am

"Randall Balmer is a universalist, and I think his delight simply stems from the fact that he agrees with the decision to include all faiths" Kevin47

So is his point invalid because he is a universalist? What's your point other than to a lame, ineffective attempt to disparage him?

by: BlueDeacon

01-18-2009 @ 4:03am

I'm not talking about specific positions, just the attitude. And it's true that the African-American community doesn't care for the religious right, even though they're in agreement on a number of issues, because the religious right was only interested in power (and in fact was in league with racists when it got started).

by: ando

01-17-2009 @ 12:12am

I believe that, perhaps within a generation, we'll find a genetic cause for all "sin." Alcoholism, homosexuality, kleptomania, aggression, greed, etc. etc. We'll just all rationalize it away that it wasn't the Devil or our weakness, but rather it was built into our genetic code. Pretty soon one wonders when pedophilia and euthanasia will become an acceptable behavior in our society

Just as long as we maintain tolerance....

by: ando

01-17-2009 @ 12:15am

"There seems to be quite a bit of controversy about Warren's AIDS in Africa program."

Facts, please

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by: littleroundtop

01-20-2009 @ 11:52pm

You failed to show any contradictions . Why you mentioned it was interesting
.

. ' Dobson, for openers, has always used his platform as a springboard to
power; in fact, he's been called on the carpet by other conservatives who
believe in his entire agenda but responds by denouncing them.'

Yes I aggree with Cal Thomas and Blinded by Might . However that does not
change my opinions of believing in life as an important issue . Or in
respect for Laws and Judges who understand the difference between Respecting
Law and instead of using their power to change them . That same basic regard
for the Gospel goes to Wallis, you fail to see the same principle unless it
is idealogical in nature . That is the contradiction I point out with you .

" because their goals were never about working the least of these, only more
for themselves. That's what I was getting at -- and one reason the
Republican Party lost badly over the last two election cycles. They
actually took a self-centered political ideology and stamped "God" on it,
and I think I know Him well enough that He would not allow that to happen
for very long."

That is just your opinion , and conveniently not admitting the human nature
in this world regardless of political party , the left has an element more
concerned about power also that is using the less of these as bait. . The
republican Party losses had nothing , or very little to do with the
religious right . Just like over all policies of the republican party as
evidently shown in the past two election cyscles prove. Abortions, gay
marriage , public education, and other issues have all been slanted in the
lefts direction in the so called culture wars. The religious right has lost
with republicans in office , with Reagan , as they will loose with
democrats . Has nothing to do with politics from my position . Abortion is a
matter of the heart , as are the other issues . Christ transforms hearts ,
political parties may have people in them because of transformed hearts . .
Republicans loosing had to do with corruption, selling out of values in
regards to over spending while cutting taxes , PORK spending , while setting
themselves up as the party of being responsible. The republican party
suffered from a unpopular war , and an inability to change course in
fighting that unpopular war . . I don't take the negative view of
Dobson's sincerity , or consider his Ministry a failure . Perhaps my
contradictions are real because I am mixed about it . Wallis I don't know
about honestly , it appears many of the supporters appear less concerned
about the Gospel and more concerned about politics . I love politics, but I
have problem people using it to demonize others , as it appears believers
are here . ,. Putting it above the Gospel . Which as I said , is why I have
a problem with Dobson's political style . I find his political aspect often
as a divisive issue to the Gospel . Recently the Gay Episcopal Minister who
went to the Innaugaration wa sin Seattle , if you took the negative things
he said about Christians in general and reversed it coming from say a Rick
Warren , you would have heard about it . I don't see the evil that you do
coming from the Right , I see God loving people in a world that is having a
drastic change in culture that is rejecting God and from some reason,
perhaps laziness ? allowed the Dobsons and Roberstons to fight on a
political level instead of doing what the Gospel told us and that was to
love on a one on one level.

I am praying God touches our President,s heart heart as many who see
important issues he is not supportive of . I also am supporting him as my
President . Quit the Republican Party .
Have you changed any of your strong beliefs in the last few years Rick ? You
seem to be a hard head on email . But enjoy the fact you always return a
conversation when asked .

Link:
http://www.sojo.net/blog/godspolitics/2009/01/1...

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by: kevin47

01-17-2009 @ 12:28am

I didn't say his point was invalid, only that it is unsurprising. He finds Obama to be a big man because Obama is doing things with which he agrees.

by: kevin47

01-17-2009 @ 12:34am

Tolerance isn't enough. Inclusiveness is what is important. It's as Jesus said:

"I have come to unite all people, regardless of belief. There are those who preach intolerance, and they will hang me on the cross, but we know the whole truth, that God loves all and will accept all into his kingdom, so long as they do good unto their fellow man."

-Matthew

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by: BlueDeacon

01-21-2009 @ 1:58am

However that does not
change my opinions of believing in life as an important issue.

All life? Or just the unborn? For way too many conservatives, it's always been the latter.

Republicans loosing had to do with corruption, selling out of values in
regards to over spending while cutting taxes , PORK spending , while setting
themselves up as the party of being responsible.

No -- the GOP in the 1980s was no different that it became, only the people didn't see that yet (Clinton actually helped to expose that, which is why the conservative machine went after him). The GOP got skunked because people finally realized that the conservatives that ran it were more interested in dividing the country for the sake of perpetuating its power (Pat Buchanan even admitted as such). The reality that non-believers defined our agenda have proven problematic.

Two days ago my pastor linked Martin Luther King Jr. Day and "Sanctity of Life" Day, saying that you cannot have one without the other and be faithful to Christian witness. I told him later that I was looking forward to the day when being truly pro-life will not be used for ideological division.

by: ando

01-21-2009 @ 2:32am

Blue Deacon,
You like to harangue a lot on the conservatives. Apparently, liberals should be held in the highest esteem. I'm old enough to know how the Democratic Congress made life miserable for Pres. Carter; two years after Clinton was elected we had a Republican Congress.

It will be interesting to see who you will blame now that Conservatives are out of power.

"Two days ago my pastor linked Martin Luther King Jr. Day and "Sanctity of Life" Day, saying that you cannot have one without the other and be faithful to Christian witness. I told him later that I was looking forward to the day when being truly pro-life will not be used for ideological division."

Are you saying the pro-abortion, er, pro-choice, crowd doesn't do the same thing?

I think it was Sojo that came out with the 'God is not a Republican or a Democrat' mantra. I really hope that you and they will take it to heart. Then maybe we can have true dialogue in this country. Until then, there is going to be disagreement and little hope for unity.

by: Pashe

01-17-2009 @ 2:32am

Well to be fair Warren has compared gay marriage to incest and young and old men and younger women.

Rachel Madow said it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znethD60OHI&eurl...

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by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-16-2009 @ 9:05pm

Rick Warren is completely ignorant about homosexuality and he believes that if a person repents of his homosexual orientation and accepts Jesus as his savior, he won't be a homosexual anymore.

Warren's Saddleback Church has an ex-gay ministry. But, the truth is there is no such thing as an ex-gay/ex-lesbian/ex-homosexual.

There seems to be quite a bit of controversy about Warren's AIDS in Africa program.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-16-2009 @ 9:05pm

Rick Warren is completely ignorant about homosexuality and he believes that if a person repents of his homosexual orientation and accepts Jesus as his savior, he won't be a homosexual anymore.

Warren's Saddleback Church has an ex-gay ministry. But, the truth is there is no such thing as an ex-gay/ex-lesbian/ex-homosexual.

There seems to be quite a bit of controversy about Warren's AIDS in Africa program.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-16-2009 @ 9:17pm

I clicked that link to Randall Balmer's book and I see that he used the speeches of the Presidents to base his opinions.

Well I meet Doug Wead when he was an Assemblies of God missionary before he became a member of the speech writing staff of Ronald Reagan. He also helped write George H. W. Bush's speeches, too.

Apparently, the soon to be out of office President, George W. Bush, also has a number of ordained Christian ministers on his speech writing staff. One time, he said "There is power, power, working power in the American People." Well, that line apparently came from the Hymn, "Power in the Blood," which has the line, "There is power, power, wonder working power in the Blood of the Lamb."

I did some research on George W. Bush's salvation history and found out that before he said the "sinner's prayer" with Billy Graham, he had said the same prayer with two other evangelists before that and one of them was Arthur Blessitt, who has traveled the world with a large crosss.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-16-2009 @ 9:17pm

I clicked that link to Randall Balmer's book and I see that he used the speeches of the Presidents to base his opinions.

Well I meet Doug Wead when he was an Assemblies of God missionary before he became a member of the speech writing staff of Ronald Reagan. He also helped write George H. W. Bush's speeches, too.

Apparently, the soon to be out of office President, George W. Bush, also has a number of ordained Christian ministers on his speech writing staff. One time, he said "There is power, power, working power in the American People." Well, that line apparently came from the Hymn, "Power in the Blood," which has the line, "There is power, power, wonder working power in the Blood of the Lamb."

I did some research on George W. Bush's salvation history and found out that before he said the "sinner's prayer" with Billy Graham, he had said the same prayer with two other evangelists before that and one of them was Arthur Blessitt, who has traveled the world with a large crosss.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-16-2009 @ 9:26pm

Added comment here: Rick Warren suffers from more than homophobia (meaning fear of homosexuals), he also has a problem with his homomisia (meaning hatred of homosexuals) "misia" is the Greek word for "hatred."

The links to the anti-gay and ex-gay stuff were removed from Warren's Saddleback Church website; but, I would not be surprised if they are just temporarily hidden web pages and will be put back after Inauguration Day.

Warren has not apologized for the slanderous remarks he made about gays before Barack Obama asked him to give the invocation.

In my opinion, Rich Warren is like the 21st Century Jerry Falwell. Falwell called homosexuals "brute beasts" on a live San Francisco radio program which he later denied. Falwell said that if anyone could prove he actually said that, he would give the person who produced the proof so much money. Well, the radio station recorded in interview and gave a person the copy of it. Falwell refused to pay up after proof was provided.

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

01-16-2009 @ 9:26pm

Added comment here: Rick Warren suffers from more than homophobia (meaning fear of homosexuals), he also has a problem with his homomisia (meaning hatred of homosexuals) "misia" is the Greek word for "hatred."

The links to the anti-gay and ex-gay stuff were removed from Warren's Saddleback Church website; but, I would not be surprised if they are just temporarily hidden web pages and will be put back after Inauguration Day.

Warren has not apologized for the slanderous remarks he made about gays before Barack Obama asked him to give the invocation.

In my opinion, Rich Warren is like the 21st Century Jerry Falwell. Falwell called homosexuals "brute beasts" on a live San Francisco radio program which he later denied. Falwell said that if anyone could prove he actually said that, he would give the person who produced the proof so much money. Well, the radio station recorded in interview and gave a person the copy of it. Falwell refused to pay up after proof was provided.

by: kevin47

01-16-2009 @ 10:01pm

"he believes that if a person repents of his homosexual orientation and accepts Jesus as his savior, he won't be a homosexual anymore."

Where has he said this?

"But, the truth is there is no such thing as an ex-gay/ex-lesbian/ex-homosexual. "

Sure there is. Many people who had once engaged in homosexual behavior now have happy marriages, or no longer engage in the behavior. The ministry, to my understanding, is mostly about keeping the thought life under control.

"There seems to be quite a bit of controversy about Warren's AIDS in Africa program."

Well, that's a nebulous criticism.

by: kevin47

01-16-2009 @ 10:01pm

"he believes that if a person repents of his homosexual orientation and accepts Jesus as his savior, he won't be a homosexual anymore."

Where has he said this?

"But, the truth is there is no such thing as an ex-gay/ex-lesbian/ex-homosexual. "

Sure there is. Many people who had once engaged in homosexual behavior now have happy marriages, or no longer engage in the behavior. The ministry, to my understanding, is mostly about keeping the thought life under control.

"There seems to be quite a bit of controversy about Warren's AIDS in Africa program."

Well, that's a nebulous criticism.

by: kevin47

01-16-2009 @ 10:07pm

"The links to the anti-gay and ex-gay stuff were removed from Warren's Saddleback Church website;"

If this is true, then this is evidence that he is NOT hateful, not that he is. To which sites are your referring?

"Warren has not apologized for the slanderous remarks he made about gays before Barack Obama asked him to give the invocation. "

Which slanderous remarks were these?

"In my opinion, Rich Warren is like the 21st Century Jerry Falwell."

If you are going to make this comparison, you should cite something that Warren said. Otherwise, you are simply expressing the fact that you have an opinion, which isn't particularly consequential.

by: kevin47

01-16-2009 @ 10:07pm

"The links to the anti-gay and ex-gay stuff were removed from Warren's Saddleback Church website;"

If this is true, then this is evidence that he is NOT hateful, not that he is. To which sites are your referring?

"Warren has not apologized for the slanderous remarks he made about gays before Barack Obama asked him to give the invocation. "

Which slanderous remarks were these?

"In my opinion, Rich Warren is like the 21st Century Jerry Falwell."

If you are going to make this comparison, you should cite something that Warren said. Otherwise, you are simply expressing the fact that you have an opinion, which isn't particularly consequential.

by: Mark Baker-Wright

01-16-2009 @ 10:09pm

I think you're being unfair to Warren. Unless, that is, you want to make the case (as per Falsani's question) that anyone who believes that the Bible does indeed say that homosexual actions are sinful is, in fact, both a homophobe and a homomisiac, by definition.

But, if that's your assertion, it would have been better to actually MAKE that case, rather than simply calling Warren names.

by: Mark Baker-Wright

01-16-2009 @ 10:09pm

I think you're being unfair to Warren. Unless, that is, you want to make the case (as per Falsani's question) that anyone who believes that the Bible does indeed say that homosexual actions are sinful is, in fact, both a homophobe and a homomisiac, by definition.

But, if that's your assertion, it would have been better to actually MAKE that case, rather than simply calling Warren names.

by: kevin47

01-16-2009 @ 10:11pm

""It shows that he's a big man," Balmer said of Obama's invitation to Warren to pray at the inaugural. "He's a gracious person. Boy, what a welcome change that's going to be.""

I think it shows that he wants to have something for everyone, which is neither unusual nor impressive. If you stand for everything, you stand for nothing, and this hodge-podge of faithy characters, collectively, probably stands for just about everything.

Randall Balmer is a universalist, and I think his delight simply stems from the fact that he agrees with the decision to include all faiths.

by: kevin47

01-16-2009 @ 10:11pm

""It shows that he's a big man," Balmer said of Obama's invitation to Warren to pray at the inaugural. "He's a gracious person. Boy, what a welcome change that's going to be.""

I think it shows that he wants to have something for everyone, which is neither unusual nor impressive. If you stand for everything, you stand for nothing, and this hodge-podge of faithy characters, collectively, probably stands for just about everything.

Randall Balmer is a universalist, and I think his delight simply stems from the fact that he agrees with the decision to include all faiths.

by: nmunick

01-16-2009 @ 10:23pm

I find these remarks to be very troubling. Dennis Jernigan is a formerly gay worship singer who overcame his homosexuality through faith. There are other similar stories. As far a Rick Warren is concerned, he's right on. The Bible is very clear that Homosexuality is not a behavior which God intended us to engage in. On the same note, Christians should not engage in homophobic behavior, rather bear loving witness to our homosexual neighbors as they, and all humans, bear the image of God. That does not mean however, that we can accept homosexual behavior as an acceptable activity. We all sin. And we should show love to people whatever their sins may be. But that does not allow us to justify the sin, and the bible is quite clear that homosexuality is a sin. Likewise, the choice of the Episcopal church to ordain an openly Gay minister was the wrong decision.

by: nmunick

01-16-2009 @ 10:23pm

I find these remarks to be very troubling. Dennis Jernigan is a formerly gay worship singer who overcame his homosexuality through faith. There are other similar stories. As far a Rick Warren is concerned, he's right on. The Bible is very clear that Homosexuality is not a behavior which God intended us to engage in. On the same note, Christians should not engage in homophobic behavior, rather bear loving witness to our homosexual neighbors as they, and all humans, bear the image of God. That does not mean however, that we can accept homosexual behavior as an acceptable activity. We all sin. And we should show love to people whatever their sins may be. But that does not allow us to justify the sin, and the bible is quite clear that homosexuality is a sin. Likewise, the choice of the Episcopal church to ordain an openly Gay minister was the wrong decision.

by: tmccool

01-16-2009 @ 10:55pm

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for the most reasoned, even-handed, and level-headed response to who's a-prayin' and why. Too many have focused on "Why I'm so angry about this and why you should be too" instead of why Obama has made these choices and what he hopes to accomplish. Excellent post. Thank you, thank you and thank you again!!!!

by: tmccool

01-16-2009 @ 10:55pm

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for the most reasoned, even-handed, and level-headed response to who's a-prayin' and why. Too many have focused on "Why I'm so angry about this and why you should be too" instead of why Obama has made these choices and what he hopes to accomplish. Excellent post. Thank you, thank you and thank you again!!!!

by: jesse3

01-16-2009 @ 10:57pm

-The first openly gay Episcopal bishop.
-The first female president of the Disciples of Christ.
-The president of the Islamic Society of North America.
-Three rabbis.
-Bono.
-One evangelical pastor.

And who does the writer go out of her way to criticize?

by: jesse3

01-16-2009 @ 10:57pm

-The first openly gay Episcopal bishop.
-The first female president of the Disciples of Christ.
-The president of the Islamic Society of North America.
-Three rabbis.
-Bono.
-One evangelical pastor.

And who does the writer go out of her way to criticize?

by: Lord_Voldemort

01-16-2009 @ 11:05pm

"The first openly gay Episcopal bishop.

The first female president of the Disciples of Christ.

The president of the Islamic Society of North America (who also happens to be a woman).

Three rabbis.

Bono.

And one Hawaiian shirt-wearing mega-church pastor.

What do they have in common, besides taking part in the official festivities surrounding Barack Obama's inauguration as the 44th president of the United States?"

There was this one time when they all walked into a bar...

LV

by: Lord_Voldemort

01-16-2009 @ 11:05pm

"The first openly gay Episcopal bishop.

The first female president of the Disciples of Christ.

The president of the Islamic Society of North America (who also happens to be a woman).

Three rabbis.

Bono.

And one Hawaiian shirt-wearing mega-church pastor.

What do they have in common, besides taking part in the official festivities surrounding Barack Obama's inauguration as the 44th president of the United States?"

There was this one time when they all walked into a bar...

LV

by: JamesM

01-16-2009 @ 11:10pm

You get a big "Amen!" from me. Thanks for this post.

by: JamesM

01-16-2009 @ 11:10pm

You get a big "Amen!" from me. Thanks for this post.

by: martingugino

01-16-2009 @ 11:11pm

RE: hatred (in general)
I find I hate to hear Bush blather. I think that the notion that Bush can lie and get away with it is what causes disgust (and borderline hate?) to well up in me. I wonder if this is not the same origin as so much of the "hate-talk" one hears of nowadays - a projection of ones own hate reaction; viz Joe_Allen Doty's post above on "homomisia ": Warren's projected hate of homosexuals.

by: martingugino

01-16-2009 @ 11:11pm

RE: hatred (in general)
I find I hate to hear Bush blather. I think that the notion that Bush can lie and get away with it is what causes disgust (and borderline hate?) to well up in me. I wonder if this is not the same origin as so much of the "hate-talk" one hears of nowadays - a projection of ones own hate reaction; viz Joe_Allen Doty's post above on "homomisia ": Warren's projected hate of homosexuals.

by: 2bornot2b

01-16-2009 @ 11:36pm

Cathleen, I will not give an "Amen" to Obama being a gracious man, not a this point. Please do not forget, that although Christians are tolerant and forgiving, our
Lord is still the Way, the Truth and the Light. Obama is doing nothing more than being tolerant to Warren. Obama's support from aggressive homosexuals, as well
as the fact that he knowingly hid his vote against the born alive infant protection act
show him to be a deceptive, power hungry politican.

by: 2bornot2b

01-16-2009 @ 11:36pm

Cathleen, I will not give an "Amen" to Obama being a gracious man, not a this point. Please do not forget, that although Christians are tolerant and forgiving, our
Lord is still the Way, the Truth and the Light. Obama is doing nothing more than being tolerant to Warren. Obama's support from aggressive homosexuals, as well
as the fact that he knowingly hid his vote against the born alive infant protection act
show him to be a deceptive, power hungry politican.

by: JamesM

01-17-2009 @ 12:11am

"Randall Balmer is a universalist, and I think his delight simply stems from the fact that he agrees with the decision to include all faiths" Kevin47

So is his point invalid because he is a universalist? What's your point other than to a lame, ineffective attempt to disparage him?

by: JamesM

01-17-2009 @ 12:11am

"Randall Balmer is a universalist, and I think his delight simply stems from the fact that he agrees with the decision to include all faiths" Kevin47

So is his point invalid because he is a universalist? What's your point other than to a lame, ineffective attempt to disparage him?

by: ando

01-17-2009 @ 12:12am

I believe that, perhaps within a generation, we'll find a genetic cause for all "sin." Alcoholism, homosexuality, kleptomania, aggression, greed, etc. etc. We'll just all rationalize it away that it wasn't the Devil or our weakness, but rather it was built into our genetic code. Pretty soon one wonders when pedophilia and euthanasia will become an acceptable behavior in our society

Just as long as we maintain tolerance....

by: ando

01-17-2009 @ 12:12am

I believe that, perhaps within a generation, we'll find a genetic cause for all "sin." Alcoholism, homosexuality, kleptomania, aggression, greed, etc. etc. We'll just all rationalize it away that it wasn't the Devil or our weakness, but rather it was built into our genetic code. Pretty soon one wonders when pedophilia and euthanasia will become an acceptable behavior in our society

Just as long as we maintain tolerance....

by: ando

01-17-2009 @ 12:15am

"There seems to be quite a bit of controversy about Warren's AIDS in Africa program."

Facts, please

by: ando

01-17-2009 @ 12:15am

"There seems to be quite a bit of controversy about Warren's AIDS in Africa program."

Facts, please

by: kevin47

01-17-2009 @ 12:28am

I didn't say his point was invalid, only that it is unsurprising. He finds Obama to be a big man because Obama is doing things with which he agrees.

by: kevin47

01-17-2009 @ 12:28am

I didn't say his point was invalid, only that it is unsurprising. He finds Obama to be a big man because Obama is doing things with which he agrees.

by: kevin47

01-17-2009 @ 12:34am

Tolerance isn't enough. Inclusiveness is what is important. It's as Jesus said:

"I have come to unite all people, regardless of belief. There are those who preach intolerance, and they will hang me on the cross, but we know the whole truth, that God loves all and will accept all into his kingdom, so long as they do good unto their fellow man."

-Matthew

by: kevin47

01-17-2009 @ 12:34am

Tolerance isn't enough. Inclusiveness is what is important. It's as Jesus said:

"I have come to unite all people, regardless of belief. There are those who preach intolerance, and they will hang me on the cross, but we know the whole truth, that God loves all and will accept all into his kingdom, so long as they do good unto their fellow man."

-Matthew

by: Pashe

01-17-2009 @ 2:32am

Well to be fair Warren has compared gay marriage to incest and young and old men and younger women.

Rachel Madow said it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znethD60OHI&eurl...

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by: Pashe

01-17-2009 @ 2:32am

Well to be fair Warren has compared gay marriage to incest and young and old men and younger women.

Rachel Madow said it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znethD60OHI&eurl...

p

by: hammerud

01-17-2009 @ 4:39am

Believing what the Bible says about homosexuality does not mean a person is hateful toward homosexuals. The idea that it does is slanderous. In 40 years in the Christian community I have never once heard a single negative comment about gays. Not a single comment. Yet, I see all sorts of hate directed toward Christians who believe the Bible. I think it relates to what Jesus said when He said, "the world hates me because I testify of it that its deeds are evil." Hmm.

by: hammerud

01-17-2009 @ 4:39am

Believing what the Bible says about homosexuality does not mean a person is hateful toward homosexuals. The idea that it does is slanderous. In 40 years in the Christian community I have never once heard a single negative comment about gays. Not a single comment. Yet, I see all sorts of hate directed toward Christians who believe the Bible. I think it relates to what Jesus said when He said, "the world hates me because I testify of it that its deeds are evil." Hmm.

by: SisterMarie

01-17-2009 @ 5:28am

I'm sure that the new president will make some mistakes during the next 8 years. But I'm really looking forward to an administration that brings real moral values to this country once again. It is my hope that we will not continue policies of torture. That we will prosecute those held at Guantanamo for which there is evidence that they are guilty and then discharge the remainder. That we will carefully consider all of the facts and risks of armed conflict before committing American forces to battle. That we will consider "the least of these" in our policies instead of catering to Wall Street millionaires.

America is a nation of many races, ethnic groups, and religions. By including representatives from all of these groups, the president-elect has demonstrated his intention to be the leader of all of us. Let us give him the respect and lift him up in prayer as he leads this great nation.

by: SisterMarie

01-17-2009 @ 5:28am

I'm sure that the new president will make some mistakes during the next 8 years. But I'm really looking forward to an administration that brings real moral values to this country once again. It is my hope that we will not continue policies of torture. That we will prosecute those held at Guantanamo for which there is evidence that they are guilty and then discharge the remainder. That we will carefully consider all of the facts and risks of armed conflict before committing American forces to battle. That we will consider "the least of these" in our policies instead of catering to Wall Street millionaires.

America is a nation of many races, ethnic groups, and religions. By including representatives from all of these groups, the president-elect has demonstrated his intention to be the leader of all of us. Let us give him the respect and lift him up in prayer as he leads this great nation.

by: letjusticerolldown

01-17-2009 @ 5:29am

I choose to read nothing into the selection of persons expressing prayers during inaugural events. Some of Jesus' disciples (and family members) were quite interested as to who would be sitting next to Jesus. That conversation didn't go very far; and I don't think this one should either. I know Sojo wanted to advance the conversation of faith and politics during this election cycle. Is this the fruit?

I do think God's response to all of this might be worth noting. Would we have hearts and minds inclined towards Heaven in these days?

by: letjusticerolldown

01-17-2009 @ 5:29am

I choose to read nothing into the selection of persons expressing prayers during inaugural events. Some of Jesus' disciples (and family members) were quite interested as to who would be sitting next to Jesus. That conversation didn't go very far; and I don't think this one should either. I know Sojo wanted to advance the conversation of faith and politics during this election cycle. Is this the fruit?

I do think God's response to all of this might be worth noting. Would we have hearts and minds inclined towards Heaven in these days?

by: SisterMarie

01-17-2009 @ 5:58am

"The first openly gay Episcopal bishop."
To borrow a line from Archie Bunker, "I am not of that persuasion." I don't even let my mind dwell on what they do. But they are citizens and pay taxes.

"The first female president of the Disciples of Christ."
Well, we came very close to electing a female president, so I guess we should at least have a female represented at the inauguration.

"The president of the Islamic Society of North America (who also happens to be a woman)."
If they come to my door with their literature, I'll be just as polite as I am to the JW, LDS, and Baptists but I won't take their literature. Do they deserve a place at the table? You betcha!

"Three rabbis."
Hey, even the Easter Bunny deserves representation.

Bono.
Never heard of him (or her).

"And one Hawaiian shirt-wearing mega-church pastor."
Why not? Just lose the shirt, please. It's a little cold in DC.

by: SisterMarie

01-17-2009 @ 5:58am

"The first openly gay Episcopal bishop."
To borrow a line from Archie Bunker, "I am not of that persuasion." I don't even let my mind dwell on what they do. But they are citizens and pay taxes.

"The first female president of the Disciples of Christ."
Well, we came very close to electing a female president, so I guess we should at least have a female represented at the inauguration.

"The president of the Islamic Society of North America (who also happens to be a woman)."
If they come to my door with their literature, I'll be just as polite as I am to the JW, LDS, and Baptists but I won't take their literature. Do they deserve a place at the table? You betcha!

"Three rabbis."
Hey, even the Easter Bunny deserves representation.

Bono.
Never heard of him (or her).

"And one Hawaiian shirt-wearing mega-church pastor."
Why not? Just lose the shirt, please. It's a little cold in DC.

by: littleroundtop

01-17-2009 @ 7:28am

"Just as long as we maintain tolerance....'

Just ask Warren about the left's tolerance .

by: littleroundtop

01-17-2009 @ 7:28am

"Just as long as we maintain tolerance....'

Just ask Warren about the left's tolerance .