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You Can't Say That on TV, Mr. President

I woke up this morning to Donnie Simpson's voice (yes, my alarm clock is tuned into morning hip-hop jams on 95.5) discussing Barack Obama. Over the last several months, hearing Obama's name in the morning has been anything but a rare occasion. But what shocked me out of my sleepy stupor much quicker than usual was the clip of Obama's interview on Leno last night. From President Obama's mouth:

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"I bowled a 129 .... It's like -- it was like the Special Olympics, or something."

That is the presidential equivalent of saying, "That's retarded." Well, isn't this fitting in light of Eugene Cho's blog post yesterday? Calling out Miley Cyrus and the one Jonas Brother for racist photo poses is one thing, but what do you do when it is the president of the United States making an offhand joke about the Special Olympics? And not just any president, but a recently-elected and much-beloved president who is also publicly heralded as evidence of the progress our country has made toward equality.

I think Donnie Simpson provided a solid analysis of the situation. Despite the multiple e-mails he'd received that morning dismissing the comment and relieving the president of any bad intent, Simpson made clear that the comment was offensive and should not have been said. What Simpson was saying is that President Obama was wrong. Take a moment and let that sink in.

And yet, he went on to say that he understands there are times in comedy where people make jokes about certain groups. Some people find those jokes funny and others do not (and you can argue whether this is right or wrong), but that is the nature of comedy. Simpson made clear, however, that the president is not a comedian. While the lightheartedness of the interview did much to show the president in a human light (we all joke around, we all create March Madness brackets, and we all slip up with what we say), Barack Obama holds significant influence over the American people and must always be aware of his responsibility.

Simpson's final words before I hit the snooze button highlighted the importance of Obama's response to the event. Before the interview even aired, Obama called the director of the Special Olympics from Air Force One to apologize profusely about his statement. He conveyed his regret over his comment and his deep respect for the Special Olympics. The president also offered to fly Special Olympics participants to the White House for a visit. According to TimesOnline, the president recognized the weight of his words in the instant he said them.

Of course, Barack Obama has swarms of people paid to analyze his every word and action, righting wrongs before they even happen. But, for once, I care little about who told him to do what. As president, Obama sets an example. It's clear here that his example was to educate yourself so you know when something is offensive, to admit when you are wrong, to apologize, and to seek reconciliation. As a Korean-American woman, I'm offended by this recent trend of slitted-eye photo poses, but I'd feel a bit more at ease if people started to follow the president's lead.

Everyone's wrong sometimes and everyone offends sometimes. Know when you've done it. Say that you're wrong. That's what forgiveness and grace are for. Then do something to build that relationship, that bond, rather than let your pride and self-righteousness dig you into an insensitive hole.

And let's not forget to give credit where credit is due: Thanks, Donnie Simpson, for being an example of how to honestly critique and hold accountable those around us, even when it's the president of the United States.

Katie Van Loo, a former Sojourners intern, lives in Washington, D.C.

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by: kevin47

03-22-2009 @ 3:19pm

"But, since you think it remains to be seen who Obama is, isn't it equally reasonable to assume there is some substance there as it is reasonable to assume there is not?"

For months leading up to the election, I was expected to assume that this man was not only a genius, but a prophet. Geniuses and prophets are few and far between.

In Obama, we have a man who has been vigorously managed from the get go, about whom we know nothing, who faced virtually no scrutiny from the press prior to his election to the presidency. Even so, in the brief glimpses into what the man might actually be like, he comes of as a precocious college sophomore.

And it isn't as though he can fall back on a successful track record as president. He has already been every bit the flop on foreign policy I knew he would be, his cabinet selections quickly made us forget the Team of Rivals comparisons, and what was he doing on Leno in the first place?

by: jeffp

03-20-2009 @ 7:30pm

I think this incident shows us that we have no idea who this guy is. He didn't have his teleprompter with him. It was predictable that he would say something stupid. I think think these rare moments when President Obama doesn't have a teleprompter to read from gives us clues into who he really is.

by: BlueDeacon

03-20-2009 @ 7:42pm

You wish.

by: canucklehead

03-23-2009 @ 2:15am

you just tripped over "think think" and I doubt you travelled from the Eastern Time Zone to the Pacific to do so; chill, baby

by: jeffp

03-20-2009 @ 7:46pm

I wish there was more depth to the man.

by: canucklehead

03-23-2009 @ 2:22am

had it been GWB or Big Dick, since the interview was taped some twelve hours before it was played, they'd have had the CIA leave off all other activities in order to insure the comment never aired

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 8:01pm

This goes for just about every boneheaded statement from the Obama-Biden gaffe machine, but could you imagine if GWB had said this? The Washington Post would be embarking on an eight month series.

At any rate, outside of his teleprompter, Obama hasn't shown us much. We are still relying on Dreams of My Father as evidence that this guy is something special.

by: canucklehead

03-24-2009 @ 8:10pm

"He didn't have his teleprompter with him. It was predictable that he would say something stupid"

"I think think these rare moments when President Obama doesn't have a teleprompter to read from gives us clues into who he really is."

Those comments are LOADED with presuppositions, judgments and negative inferences. If you don't understand that, I'll leave off wasting my time with you.

by: squeaky

03-20-2009 @ 8:23pm

I hope the words you speak, especially the words you misspeak, are not judged nearly as harshly as you have judged Obama.

The truth is, no matter how eloquent or practiced someone is, it is only a matter of time before anyone speaking without a teleprompter or notes is going to say something stupid.

by: Lord_Voldemort

03-23-2009 @ 2:20pm

What exactly are we wishing for here?

LV

by: letjusticerolldown

03-20-2009 @ 8:26pm

In my book
we'd be better off without the Obama comment
and better off withoug comments about Obama's comment
and better off without comments about comments
Gerald Ford stumbling
George Bush obliterating a word
.........
the incapacity to have any sense of proportional reporting borders on silliness

and with that I go quiet on an issue best solved by closing our mouths

by: BlueDeacon

03-23-2009 @ 2:34pm

I was specifically referring to the slam on Obama; jeffp basically took his misstatement as a weakness of character, meaning that people should turn against anything he believes in. It's another way of saying, "I hope he fails."

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 8:38pm

The issue isn't that he says things that are stupid. The issue is that his eloquence is his primary selling point. Barack Obama came into office as an enigma, lacking experience in the political or business world. We are supposed to take it as gospel that the man is some sort of genius, and therefore capable of unraveling difficult political problems.

by: nuclearferret

03-20-2009 @ 9:11pm

Sure, Obama gets the benefit of stone silence to his ignorance reflected in his prejudice towards disabled persons, but George W. Bush mispronounces a word, it become "obliterating."

by: jeffp

03-23-2009 @ 3:54pm

Come on Rick, cut out the assigning of motive and mind reading. You're not good at it.

by: jeffp

03-23-2009 @ 3:59pm

this is incoherent, could you expand your snipe into a coherent comment that would open dialogue further

by: BlueDeacon

03-20-2009 @ 9:18pm

No, not his eloquence -- his thoughtfulness and insight. But at least he's willing to admit that he makes mistakes -- unlike the last occupant of the White House.

by: BlueDeacon

03-23-2009 @ 4:10pm

I don't have to assign motives or read minds. Your previous posts suffice.

by: BlueDeacon

03-20-2009 @ 9:22pm

The difference is that when Obama stumbles he recognizes it. When Bush did it he was so dense it became a part of his persona, so much so that a calendar was published with all his malapropisms. Apples and oranges.

by: squeaky

03-20-2009 @ 9:30pm

One gaffe does not negate all that. As I said above, no matter how eloquent or practiced a person is, it is only a matter of time before someone's words will trip them up for one reason or another.

I'm sure you have said something you regret, as we all have. Does that mean your overall character should therefore be suspect? I would hope the people around you have more grace than that. jeffp was arguing that Obama's mistake calls his character into question--he made this mistake, therefore we have no idea who this guy is. Would you like to be measured in that way?

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 9:46pm

Oh please, as though GW wouldn't have apologized for making a demeaning remark about the Special Olympics.

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 9:51pm

I gave you your point back.

by: BlueDeacon

03-20-2009 @ 9:54pm

Since when does a conservative apologize for anything?

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 9:55pm

"One gaffe does not negate all that. "

Nor has Obama been responsible for only one gaffe. His impromptu dialogue is lacking generally, gaffes or no.

"I'm sure you have said something you regret, as we all have. Does that mean your overall character should therefore be suspect?"

I'm not suspecting his character. Most everyone I know makes a Special Olympics joke from time to time. I am questioning the assertion, and this is the basis for arguing that Barack Obama will make a good president, that he is extraordinarily thoughtful, our pastor-in-chief, the new Joshua. If my pastor had made a similar sort of appearance on Leno, I would be humiliated. That was the sort of interview I expect from a thoughtful person, and I have yet to see one from him.

"jeffp was arguing that Obama's mistake calls his character into question"

No he didn't. He called his depth into question.

"Would you like to be measured in that way?"

You don't have to measure me that way. I say what I mean. I would make a lousy politician for this reason.

by: canucklehead

03-23-2009 @ 5:46pm

it's not incoherent at all; you made a communication gaffe in typing the word "think" twice in a brief blog comment; that despite the fact that you face nowhere near the number of stresses the POTUS faces everyday in the communication realities he is faced with; he's every bit as human as you demonstrated yourself to be, so you of all people should be cutting him some slack

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 9:58pm

Conservatives apologize all the time. But let's just fast forward to the part of this exchange where you declare this fact irrelevant because of something that happened in the 1970s.

by: jeffp

03-21-2009 @ 1:32am

"-he made this mistake, therefore we have no idea who this guy is. Would you like to be measured in that way?"

no you got it backwards, we don't know this guy - that is fact. now that he is in office there will more and more moments where the campaign machine will not be able to massage away the gaffes. you will see who this guy is. I do think he will learn from this mistake as he has from past mistakes. For example, I'm sure the President now knows there are 50 states in the USA, not 57.

You may need to reread my post. I did not question his character.

by: jeffp

03-21-2009 @ 1:39am

Sorry, which words did I misspeak. Our President is prone to missteps when he speaks without a teleprompter. Do you dispute this.

Since he did not speak much off script during the campaign and he was fairly isolated from even moderately tough questions from the media, we don't know who this guy is.

Reread my post and then please tell me how I have judged our President, harshly or otherwise.

by: jeffp

03-23-2009 @ 8:48pm

so if I'm tired or rushed my true nature comes through, I'm a poor editor

Obama is tired, his true nature comes through. Demeaning the disabled.

Are you sure this is what you want to suggest?

by: squeaky

03-21-2009 @ 2:11am

I didn't say you misspoke. I said that I hope when you do, people don't judge your depth as a person, as it seems to me you have done to Obama.

" I think think these rare moments when President Obama doesn't have a teleprompter to read from gives us clues into who he really is."

The underlying message I read here is that you believe there is something sinister that will be revealed as we get to know Obama. That interpretation was only exacerbated by this statement:

"I wish there was more depth to the man."

Perhaps you didn't mean those statements to be as judgmental as I read them to be, but if you didn't, maybe you can see how they could be interpreted that way.

Just out of curiosity--did McCain or any other politician use a teleprompter during the campaign? Or was Obama the only one?

by: jeffp

03-21-2009 @ 2:21am

The I wish comment was in response to Rick's "you wish comment" I took that as an opportunity to express my wish.

Nothing sinister. I just believe the guy is all campaign and no substance.

by: BlueDeacon

03-21-2009 @ 2:45am

No, they don't. I'm talking about now, not the 1970s.

by: squeaky

03-23-2009 @ 9:05pm

Are you arguing that you have never, ever, in your entire life, said something that you regret?

Do you think it would be fair of others to judge your "true nature" based on words you wish you had never spoken?

by: squeaky

03-21-2009 @ 2:50am

OK--thanks for the clarification.

But, since you think it remains to be seen who Obama is, isn't it equally reasonable to assume there is some substance there as it is reasonable to assume there is not?

Seems the most honest thing any of us, whether we voted for him or not, is to take a wait-and-see approach as we get to know him, rather than saying either

"he's a deep man of substance"

or

"he's has no depth or substance"

Why have you already judged him when you yourself have said you have no evidence upon which to judge?

by: canucklehead

03-24-2009 @ 6:10pm

"He didn't have his teleprompter with him. It was predictable that he would say something stupid"

"I think think these rare moments when President Obama doesn't have a teleprompter to read from gives us clues into who he really is."

Those comments are LOADED with presuppositions, judgments and negative inferences. If you don't understand that, I'll leave off wasting my time with you.

by: canucklehead

03-23-2009 @ 9:08pm

you miss the point - when you're stressed, rushed, tired, not to mention, human, you make mistakes, some being worse than others; you're talking as if Obama went on Leno intending to offend/demean the disabled - sorry, that's naive and reveals your prior agenda; agreed, it was a foolish thing to say, which he realized and apologized for; your obligation now, presumably as a Christian, is to forgive - 70 x 7 if necessary; instead, sounds to me, like you're passing judgement on his true nature which I don't believe you're in any position to do

by: squeaky

03-21-2009 @ 3:33am

OK I can't resist. Give me an example. You might as well, otherwise you and BlueDeacon will engage in the following argument:

"Yes they do"

"No they don't"

"Yes they do"

"No they don't"

until whoever still has room to post in the ever-shrinking text boxes has the last word.

by: jeffp

03-23-2009 @ 9:14pm

Thanks for the laugh Rick.

by: kevin47

03-21-2009 @ 4:03am

George Bush apologized to a blind man for a comment he made about the man's sunglasses.
Rupert Murdoch apologized for the New York Post monkey cartoon.
Michael Steele apologized for his comments about Rush Limbaugh.
Bill O'Reilly apologized for making a lynching comment w/r/t Michelle Obama
Dick Cheney apologized for a joke he made insinuating that West Virginians were prone to incest.
John McCain apologized several times during the 2008 campaign, for his own comments, those of radio talk show hosts, and even those of the RNC.
Sarah Palin apologized for statements she made about residents of certain cities not belonging to real America.

by: jeffp

03-23-2009 @ 9:27pm

Back to my original post. Our President has been carefully "handled" to the point that we have very few clues on who he is. The whole picture, good and bad will continue to be seen.

I wrote that the comment gives a clue on who he is (not "true nature" which is a response summing up Canucklehead's argument). A peak into his soul? Maybe. I was thinking about "depth" and eloquence and ego.

I stated in another post that he has apologized and it should be the end of it. What is truly entertaining is seeing his defenders twist themselves into knots trying to compare a misuses of a word to a demeaning slur.

by: jeffp

03-21-2009 @ 12:42pm

You don't hide something that doesn't need to be hid.
So far I judge him on his dismal diplomacy and foreign policy moves: being bullied by the Russians, throwing Eastern Europe under the bus, snubbing England, letting Pakistan free a dangerous nuke scientist reaching.
On the banking crisis where he has decided to leak policy ideas into the press as if he is still in a campaign instead of standing strong like a leader. Right now he is "voting present" on this topic. He needs to lead.

by: squeaky

03-23-2009 @ 9:36pm

You didn't answer my question.

by: jeffp

03-23-2009 @ 9:40pm

I wrote nothing that would suggest that our President's comments were premeditated. You will also see that early on in this discussion I acknowledged that he apologized and we should move on ( I'm assuming he made a blanket apology to the disable, not just to Mr. Shriver).

Passing judgement on true nature? You assume way to much. I am trying to find the true Obama.

by: BlueDeacon

03-22-2009 @ 3:13am

All these happened when, and only when, folks complained. I'll be impressed when they take something back immediately, before the firestorm.

by: jeffp

03-23-2009 @ 9:45pm

Yes to the first question.

I believe I did answer the second question. Which was really a clumsy accusation with no merit.

by: kevin47

03-22-2009 @ 4:33am

I was simply responding to your absurd assertion that conservatives never apologize.

Most politicians have the benefit of a five hour tape delay, so the firestorm is usually immediate. Again, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a Special Olympics joke is going to backfire.

by: squeaky

03-23-2009 @ 10:24pm

Really? You have never said anything you regret?

by: kevin47

03-22-2009 @ 3:19pm

"But, since you think it remains to be seen who Obama is, isn't it equally reasonable to assume there is some substance there as it is reasonable to assume there is not?"

For months leading up to the election, I was expected to assume that this man was not only a genius, but a prophet. Geniuses and prophets are few and far between.

In Obama, we have a man who has been vigorously managed from the get go, about whom we know nothing, who faced virtually no scrutiny from the press prior to his election to the presidency. Even so, in the brief glimpses into what the man might actually be like, he comes of as a precocious college sophomore.

And it isn't as though he can fall back on a successful track record as president. He has already been every bit the flop on foreign policy I knew he would be, his cabinet selections quickly made us forget the Team of Rivals comparisons, and what was he doing on Leno in the first place?

by: canucklehead

03-23-2009 @ 2:15am

you just tripped over "think think" and I doubt you travelled from the Eastern Time Zone to the Pacific to do so; chill, baby

by: canucklehead

03-23-2009 @ 2:22am

had it been GWB or Big Dick, since the interview was taped some twelve hours before it was played, they'd have had the CIA leave off all other activities in order to insure the comment never aired

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by: jeffp

03-20-2009 @ 7:30pm

I think this incident shows us that we have no idea who this guy is. He didn't have his teleprompter with him. It was predictable that he would say something stupid. I think think these rare moments when President Obama doesn't have a teleprompter to read from gives us clues into who he really is.

by: jeffp

03-20-2009 @ 7:30pm

I think this incident shows us that we have no idea who this guy is. He didn't have his teleprompter with him. It was predictable that he would say something stupid. I think think these rare moments when President Obama doesn't have a teleprompter to read from gives us clues into who he really is.

by: BlueDeacon

03-20-2009 @ 7:42pm

You wish.

by: BlueDeacon

03-20-2009 @ 7:42pm

You wish.

by: jeffp

03-20-2009 @ 7:46pm

I wish there was more depth to the man.

by: jeffp

03-20-2009 @ 7:46pm

I wish there was more depth to the man.

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 8:01pm

This goes for just about every boneheaded statement from the Obama-Biden gaffe machine, but could you imagine if GWB had said this? The Washington Post would be embarking on an eight month series.

At any rate, outside of his teleprompter, Obama hasn't shown us much. We are still relying on Dreams of My Father as evidence that this guy is something special.

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 8:01pm

This goes for just about every boneheaded statement from the Obama-Biden gaffe machine, but could you imagine if GWB had said this? The Washington Post would be embarking on an eight month series.

At any rate, outside of his teleprompter, Obama hasn't shown us much. We are still relying on Dreams of My Father as evidence that this guy is something special.

by: squeaky

03-20-2009 @ 8:23pm

I hope the words you speak, especially the words you misspeak, are not judged nearly as harshly as you have judged Obama.

The truth is, no matter how eloquent or practiced someone is, it is only a matter of time before anyone speaking without a teleprompter or notes is going to say something stupid.

by: squeaky

03-20-2009 @ 8:23pm

I hope the words you speak, especially the words you misspeak, are not judged nearly as harshly as you have judged Obama.

The truth is, no matter how eloquent or practiced someone is, it is only a matter of time before anyone speaking without a teleprompter or notes is going to say something stupid.

by: letjusticerolldown

03-20-2009 @ 8:26pm

In my book
we'd be better off without the Obama comment
and better off withoug comments about Obama's comment
and better off without comments about comments
Gerald Ford stumbling
George Bush obliterating a word
.........
the incapacity to have any sense of proportional reporting borders on silliness

and with that I go quiet on an issue best solved by closing our mouths

by: letjusticerolldown

03-20-2009 @ 8:26pm

In my book
we'd be better off without the Obama comment
and better off withoug comments about Obama's comment
and better off without comments about comments
Gerald Ford stumbling
George Bush obliterating a word
.........
the incapacity to have any sense of proportional reporting borders on silliness

and with that I go quiet on an issue best solved by closing our mouths

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 8:38pm

The issue isn't that he says things that are stupid. The issue is that his eloquence is his primary selling point. Barack Obama came into office as an enigma, lacking experience in the political or business world. We are supposed to take it as gospel that the man is some sort of genius, and therefore capable of unraveling difficult political problems.

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 8:38pm

The issue isn't that he says things that are stupid. The issue is that his eloquence is his primary selling point. Barack Obama came into office as an enigma, lacking experience in the political or business world. We are supposed to take it as gospel that the man is some sort of genius, and therefore capable of unraveling difficult political problems.

by: nuclearferret

03-20-2009 @ 9:11pm

Sure, Obama gets the benefit of stone silence to his ignorance reflected in his prejudice towards disabled persons, but George W. Bush mispronounces a word, it become "obliterating."

by: nuclearferret

03-20-2009 @ 9:11pm

Sure, Obama gets the benefit of stone silence to his ignorance reflected in his prejudice towards disabled persons, but George W. Bush mispronounces a word, it become "obliterating."

by: BlueDeacon

03-20-2009 @ 9:18pm

No, not his eloquence -- his thoughtfulness and insight. But at least he's willing to admit that he makes mistakes -- unlike the last occupant of the White House.

by: BlueDeacon

03-20-2009 @ 9:18pm

No, not his eloquence -- his thoughtfulness and insight. But at least he's willing to admit that he makes mistakes -- unlike the last occupant of the White House.

by: BlueDeacon

03-20-2009 @ 9:22pm

The difference is that when Obama stumbles he recognizes it. When Bush did it he was so dense it became a part of his persona, so much so that a calendar was published with all his malapropisms. Apples and oranges.

by: BlueDeacon

03-20-2009 @ 9:22pm

The difference is that when Obama stumbles he recognizes it. When Bush did it he was so dense it became a part of his persona, so much so that a calendar was published with all his malapropisms. Apples and oranges.

by: squeaky

03-20-2009 @ 9:30pm

One gaffe does not negate all that. As I said above, no matter how eloquent or practiced a person is, it is only a matter of time before someone's words will trip them up for one reason or another.

I'm sure you have said something you regret, as we all have. Does that mean your overall character should therefore be suspect? I would hope the people around you have more grace than that. jeffp was arguing that Obama's mistake calls his character into question--he made this mistake, therefore we have no idea who this guy is. Would you like to be measured in that way?

by: squeaky

03-20-2009 @ 9:30pm

One gaffe does not negate all that. As I said above, no matter how eloquent or practiced a person is, it is only a matter of time before someone's words will trip them up for one reason or another.

I'm sure you have said something you regret, as we all have. Does that mean your overall character should therefore be suspect? I would hope the people around you have more grace than that. jeffp was arguing that Obama's mistake calls his character into question--he made this mistake, therefore we have no idea who this guy is. Would you like to be measured in that way?

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 9:46pm

Oh please, as though GW wouldn't have apologized for making a demeaning remark about the Special Olympics.

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 9:46pm

Oh please, as though GW wouldn't have apologized for making a demeaning remark about the Special Olympics.

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 9:51pm

I gave you your point back.

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 9:51pm

I gave you your point back.

by: BlueDeacon

03-20-2009 @ 9:54pm

Since when does a conservative apologize for anything?

by: BlueDeacon

03-20-2009 @ 9:54pm

Since when does a conservative apologize for anything?

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 9:55pm

"One gaffe does not negate all that. "

Nor has Obama been responsible for only one gaffe. His impromptu dialogue is lacking generally, gaffes or no.

"I'm sure you have said something you regret, as we all have. Does that mean your overall character should therefore be suspect?"

I'm not suspecting his character. Most everyone I know makes a Special Olympics joke from time to time. I am questioning the assertion, and this is the basis for arguing that Barack Obama will make a good president, that he is extraordinarily thoughtful, our pastor-in-chief, the new Joshua. If my pastor had made a similar sort of appearance on Leno, I would be humiliated. That was the sort of interview I expect from a thoughtful person, and I have yet to see one from him.

"jeffp was arguing that Obama's mistake calls his character into question"

No he didn't. He called his depth into question.

"Would you like to be measured in that way?"

You don't have to measure me that way. I say what I mean. I would make a lousy politician for this reason.

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 9:55pm

"One gaffe does not negate all that. "

Nor has Obama been responsible for only one gaffe. His impromptu dialogue is lacking generally, gaffes or no.

"I'm sure you have said something you regret, as we all have. Does that mean your overall character should therefore be suspect?"

I'm not suspecting his character. Most everyone I know makes a Special Olympics joke from time to time. I am questioning the assertion, and this is the basis for arguing that Barack Obama will make a good president, that he is extraordinarily thoughtful, our pastor-in-chief, the new Joshua. If my pastor had made a similar sort of appearance on Leno, I would be humiliated. That was the sort of interview I expect from a thoughtful person, and I have yet to see one from him.

"jeffp was arguing that Obama's mistake calls his character into question"

No he didn't. He called his depth into question.

"Would you like to be measured in that way?"

You don't have to measure me that way. I say what I mean. I would make a lousy politician for this reason.

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 9:58pm

Conservatives apologize all the time. But let's just fast forward to the part of this exchange where you declare this fact irrelevant because of something that happened in the 1970s.

by: kevin47

03-20-2009 @ 9:58pm

Conservatives apologize all the time. But let's just fast forward to the part of this exchange where you declare this fact irrelevant because of something that happened in the 1970s.

by: jeffp

03-21-2009 @ 1:32am

"-he made this mistake, therefore we have no idea who this guy is. Would you like to be measured in that way?"

no you got it backwards, we don't know this guy - that is fact. now that he is in office there will more and more moments where the campaign machine will not be able to massage away the gaffes. you will see who this guy is. I do think he will learn from this mistake as he has from past mistakes. For example, I'm sure the President now knows there are 50 states in the USA, not 57.

You may need to reread my post. I did not question his character.

by: jeffp

03-21-2009 @ 1:32am

"-he made this mistake, therefore we have no idea who this guy is. Would you like to be measured in that way?"

no you got it backwards, we don't know this guy - that is fact. now that he is in office there will more and more moments where the campaign machine will not be able to massage away the gaffes. you will see who this guy is. I do think he will learn from this mistake as he has from past mistakes. For example, I'm sure the President now knows there are 50 states in the USA, not 57.

You may need to reread my post. I did not question his character.

by: jeffp

03-21-2009 @ 1:39am

Sorry, which words did I misspeak. Our President is prone to missteps when he speaks without a teleprompter. Do you dispute this.

Since he did not speak much off script during the campaign and he was fairly isolated from even moderately tough questions from the media, we don't know who this guy is.

Reread my post and then please tell me how I have judged our President, harshly or otherwise.

by: jeffp

03-21-2009 @ 1:39am

Sorry, which words did I misspeak. Our President is prone to missteps when he speaks without a teleprompter. Do you dispute this.

Since he did not speak much off script during the campaign and he was fairly isolated from even moderately tough questions from the media, we don't know who this guy is.

Reread my post and then please tell me how I have judged our President, harshly or otherwise.

by: squeaky

03-21-2009 @ 2:11am

I didn't say you misspoke. I said that I hope when you do, people don't judge your depth as a person, as it seems to me you have done to Obama.

" I think think these rare moments when President Obama doesn't have a teleprompter to read from gives us clues into who he really is."

The underlying message I read here is that you believe there is something sinister that will be revealed as we get to know Obama. That interpretation was only exacerbated by this statement:

"I wish there was more depth to the man."

Perhaps you didn't mean those statements to be as judgmental as I read them to be, but if you didn't, maybe you can see how they could be interpreted that way.

Just out of curiosity--did McCain or any other politician use a teleprompter during the campaign? Or was Obama the only one?

by: squeaky

03-21-2009 @ 2:11am

I didn't say you misspoke. I said that I hope when you do, people don't judge your depth as a person, as it seems to me you have done to Obama.

" I think think these rare moments when President Obama doesn't have a teleprompter to read from gives us clues into who he really is."

The underlying message I read here is that you believe there is something sinister that will be revealed as we get to know Obama. That interpretation was only exacerbated by this statement:

"I wish there was more depth to the man."

Perhaps you didn't mean those statements to be as judgmental as I read them to be, but if you didn't, maybe you can see how they could be interpreted that way.

Just out of curiosity--did McCain or any other politician use a teleprompter during the campaign? Or was Obama the only one?

by: jeffp

03-21-2009 @ 2:21am

The I wish comment was in response to Rick's "you wish comment" I took that as an opportunity to express my wish.

Nothing sinister. I just believe the guy is all campaign and no substance.

by: jeffp

03-21-2009 @ 2:21am

The I wish comment was in response to Rick's "you wish comment" I took that as an opportunity to express my wish.

Nothing sinister. I just believe the guy is all campaign and no substance.

by: BlueDeacon

03-21-2009 @ 2:45am

No, they don't. I'm talking about now, not the 1970s.

by: BlueDeacon

03-21-2009 @ 2:45am

No, they don't. I'm talking about now, not the 1970s.

by: squeaky

03-21-2009 @ 2:50am

OK--thanks for the clarification.

But, since you think it remains to be seen who Obama is, isn't it equally reasonable to assume there is some substance there as it is reasonable to assume there is not?

Seems the most honest thing any of us, whether we voted for him or not, is to take a wait-and-see approach as we get to know him, rather than saying either

"he's a deep man of substance"

or

"he's has no depth or substance"

Why have you already judged him when you yourself have said you have no evidence upon which to judge?

by: squeaky

03-21-2009 @ 2:50am

OK--thanks for the clarification.

But, since you think it remains to be seen who Obama is, isn't it equally reasonable to assume there is some substance there as it is reasonable to assume there is not?

Seems the most honest thing any of us, whether we voted for him or not, is to take a wait-and-see approach as we get to know him, rather than saying either

"he's a deep man of substance"

or

"he's has no depth or substance"

Why have you already judged him when you yourself have said you have no evidence upon which to judge?

by: squeaky

03-21-2009 @ 3:33am

OK I can't resist. Give me an example. You might as well, otherwise you and BlueDeacon will engage in the following argument:

"Yes they do"

"No they don't"

"Yes they do"

"No they don't"

until whoever still has room to post in the ever-shrinking text boxes has the last word.

by: squeaky

03-21-2009 @ 3:33am

OK I can't resist. Give me an example. You might as well, otherwise you and BlueDeacon will engage in the following argument:

"Yes they do"

"No they don't"

"Yes they do"

"No they don't"

until whoever still has room to post in the ever-shrinking text boxes has the last word.

by: kevin47

03-21-2009 @ 4:03am

George Bush apologized to a blind man for a comment he made about the man's sunglasses.
Rupert Murdoch apologized for the New York Post monkey cartoon.
Michael Steele apologized for his comments about Rush Limbaugh.
Bill O'Reilly apologized for making a lynching comment w/r/t Michelle Obama
Dick Cheney apologized for a joke he made insinuating that West Virginians were prone to incest.
John McCain apologized several times during the 2008 campaign, for his own comments, those of radio talk show hosts, and even those of the RNC.
Sarah Palin apologized for statements she made about residents of certain cities not belonging to real America.

by: kevin47

03-21-2009 @ 4:03am

George Bush apologized to a blind man for a comment he made about the man's sunglasses.
Rupert Murdoch apologized for the New York Post monkey cartoon.
Michael Steele apologized for his comments about Rush Limbaugh.
Bill O'Reilly apologized for making a lynching comment w/r/t Michelle Obama
Dick Cheney apologized for a joke he made insinuating that West Virginians were prone to incest.
John McCain apologized several times during the 2008 campaign, for his own comments, those of radio talk show hosts, and even those of the RNC.
Sarah Palin apologized for statements she made about residents of certain cities not belonging to real America.

by: jeffp

03-21-2009 @ 12:42pm

You don't hide something that doesn't need to be hid.
So far I judge him on his dismal diplomacy and foreign policy moves: being bullied by the Russians, throwing Eastern Europe under the bus, snubbing England, letting Pakistan free a dangerous nuke scientist reaching.
On the banking crisis where he has decided to leak policy ideas into the press as if he is still in a campaign instead of standing strong like a leader. Right now he is "voting present" on this topic. He needs to lead.

by: jeffp

03-21-2009 @ 12:42pm

You don't hide something that doesn't need to be hid.
So far I judge him on his dismal diplomacy and foreign policy moves: being bullied by the Russians, throwing Eastern Europe under the bus, snubbing England, letting Pakistan free a dangerous nuke scientist reaching.
On the banking crisis where he has decided to leak policy ideas into the press as if he is still in a campaign instead of standing strong like a leader. Right now he is "voting present" on this topic. He needs to lead.