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M2EP Live: We're on the Inside

This is the first event in Sojourners history where the White House has had a role, any role, aside from the one where they call the local police and ask them to remove us from the sidewalks. Our signs, songs, and chants tend to get on the nerves of White House residents. (I blame myself. As the long-time guitar player for our vigils outside the White House, it really is hard to keep hundreds of people on key, much less on the beat. When you've got three blocks of marching protesters, the ones in front finish "Kum Ba Yah" before the ones in the back. You end up with lots of "yah"s trailing off at the end, and I can't blame officials for wanting to get us off the street and into police wagons.)

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But now it's different. We just watched a video from President Obama made specifically for our gathering, and now we're listening to a panel discussion with White House officials Josh DuBois, Martha Coven, and Van Jones (who's almost as hard to book as Obama). We're on the INSIDE, and ... well, it feels odd. Like we've won a prize or something. It makes me think we've got to keep pinching ourselves to see if it's real, and to keep kicking ourselves to keep from being carried away by it all.

The Bible is pretty clear about Christians being outsiders, what with the prophets yelling outside the gates of the city (I don't know, maybe they just wanted in to use the bathroom) and Christians being in this world but not OF it. (Although, maybe some prepositions were lost in the translation.) But there's no doubt that, if EVER there was a chance to reduce poverty, it's with the new administration in the White House.

A hundred days and counting.

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by: Eric77

04-28-2009 @ 3:08pm

The reason their gospel is inadequate or, at least, incomplete, is that they consider justice done merely when there is no more poverty. This is an incomplete definition of justice compared to how Jesus (and the early Christians who knew him) conducted his ministry. I don't think they fully and carefully consider the means used enough. If their allies in powerful government positions have to threaten people with jail time to get them to send some of the resources God has blessed them with to the federal government so that the government can then use a fraction of those resources to assist people of lesser means then that is an acceptable price to pay, in their minds. They ignore the fact that true Biblical justice is only achieved when people voluntary make sacrifices to help those who need assistance.

by: letjusticerolldown

04-27-2009 @ 2:34pm

Yes, this is oh so very true--IF reducing poverty is determined by someone inside the Whitehouse.

by: sgillesp

04-27-2009 @ 6:25pm

As a former right-wing evangelical, let me caution you right here, right now: you will have your heart broken if you expect politics to enact the kingdom of God! It's okay to talk to the politicians and even get what you can, but don't put your metaphorical eggs in their basket. The shards of what can happen is all around, and the dazed look in the eyes of people-who-just-wanted-to-stop-abortion should be educational. the kingdom of God is something different! (I know y'all know this - it's just a reminder while you're there in DC!)

by: ando

04-27-2009 @ 7:25pm

Agreed. Shades of James Dobson and George W. Bush.

Also, what needs to be addressed are the myriad of causes of poverty. The Democrats look at it as just throwing a lot of money at the issue, sort of like the trickle down theory that the Republicans have tried. I guess money has to trickle from somewhere, whether by force or by freedom.

by: hammerud

04-27-2009 @ 8:28pm

The insane monetary expansion being propagated by this administration will only result in increased poverty.

by: xfree9

04-28-2009 @ 9:28am

I'm much behind Sojourners in their M2EP, but I can't help but wonder what about their gospel is so inadequate that they need the power of the White House to get this done? I don't recall Jesus asking his followers to acquire power to get the kingdom's will done (or at least using that power to coerce others to do your own will).

The title of this blog post says it all. Sojourners may want to "end poverty," but the game plan is very much about acquiring power, or having a large role in persuading those who do. The end game is honorable, biblical, and loving. This particular aspect of the game plan is just plain wrong.

by: Eric77

04-28-2009 @ 1:08pm

The reason their gospel is inadequate or, at least, incomplete, is that they consider justice done merely when there is no more poverty. This is an incomplete definition of justice compared to how Jesus (and the early Christians who knew him) conducted his ministry. I don't think they fully and carefully consider the means used enough. If their allies in powerful government positions have to threaten people with jail time to get them to send some of the resources God has blessed them with to the federal government so that the government can then use a fraction of those resources to assist people of lesser means then that is an acceptable price to pay, in their minds. They ignore the fact that true Biblical justice is only achieved when people voluntary make sacrifices to help those who need assistance.

by: xfree9

04-28-2009 @ 2:14pm

I appreciate your words here. You added much value to my own sentiments, and probably in a more constructive way. This stuff just makes me upset. Christianity was never about acquiring power. Both the Left and Right seem to be all about acquiring power.

by: letjusticerolldown

04-27-2009 @ 2:34pm

Yes, this is oh so very true--IF reducing poverty is determined by someone inside the Whitehouse.

by: sgillesp

04-27-2009 @ 6:25pm

As a former right-wing evangelical, let me caution you right here, right now: you will have your heart broken if you expect politics to enact the kingdom of God! It's okay to talk to the politicians and even get what you can, but don't put your metaphorical eggs in their basket. The shards of what can happen is all around, and the dazed look in the eyes of people-who-just-wanted-to-stop-abortion should be educational. the kingdom of God is something different! (I know y'all know this - it's just a reminder while you're there in DC!)

by: ando

04-27-2009 @ 7:25pm

Agreed. Shades of James Dobson and George W. Bush.

Also, what needs to be addressed are the myriad of causes of poverty. The Democrats look at it as just throwing a lot of money at the issue, sort of like the trickle down theory that the Republicans have tried. I guess money has to trickle from somewhere, whether by force or by freedom.

by: hammerud

04-27-2009 @ 8:28pm

The insane monetary expansion being propagated by this administration will only result in increased poverty.

by: xfree9

04-28-2009 @ 9:28am

I'm much behind Sojourners in their M2EP, but I can't help but wonder what about their gospel is so inadequate that they need the power of the White House to get this done? I don't recall Jesus asking his followers to acquire power to get the kingdom's will done (or at least using that power to coerce others to do your own will).

The title of this blog post says it all. Sojourners may want to "end poverty," but the game plan is very much about acquiring power, or having a large role in persuading those who do. The end game is honorable, biblical, and loving. This particular aspect of the game plan is just plain wrong.

by: Eric77

04-28-2009 @ 1:08pm

The reason their gospel is inadequate or, at least, incomplete, is that they consider justice done merely when there is no more poverty. This is an incomplete definition of justice compared to how Jesus (and the early Christians who knew him) conducted his ministry. I don't think they fully and carefully consider the means used enough. If their allies in powerful government positions have to threaten people with jail time to get them to send some of the resources God has blessed them with to the federal government so that the government can then use a fraction of those resources to assist people of lesser means then that is an acceptable price to pay, in their minds. They ignore the fact that true Biblical justice is only achieved when people voluntary make sacrifices to help those who need assistance.

by: xfree9

04-28-2009 @ 2:14pm

I appreciate your words here. You added much value to my own sentiments, and probably in a more constructive way. This stuff just makes me upset. Christianity was never about acquiring power. Both the Left and Right seem to be all about acquiring power.

by: xfree9

04-28-2009 @ 4:14pm

I appreciate your words here. You added much value to my own sentiments, and probably in a more constructive way. This stuff just makes me upset. Christianity was never about acquiring power. Both the Left and Right seem to be all about acquiring power.

by: Eric77

04-28-2009 @ 3:08pm

The reason their gospel is inadequate or, at least, incomplete, is that they consider justice done merely when there is no more poverty. This is an incomplete definition of justice compared to how Jesus (and the early Christians who knew him) conducted his ministry. I don't think they fully and carefully consider the means used enough. If their allies in powerful government positions have to threaten people with jail time to get them to send some of the resources God has blessed them with to the federal government so that the government can then use a fraction of those resources to assist people of lesser means then that is an acceptable price to pay, in their minds. They ignore the fact that true Biblical justice is only achieved when people voluntary make sacrifices to help those who need assistance.

by: xfree9

04-28-2009 @ 4:14pm

I appreciate your words here. You added much value to my own sentiments, and probably in a more constructive way. This stuff just makes me upset. Christianity was never about acquiring power. Both the Left and Right seem to be all about acquiring power.

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by: letjusticerolldown

04-27-2009 @ 2:34pm

Yes, this is oh so very true--IF reducing poverty is determined by someone inside the Whitehouse.

by: letjusticerolldown

04-27-2009 @ 2:34pm

Yes, this is oh so very true--IF reducing poverty is determined by someone inside the Whitehouse.

by: sgillesp

04-27-2009 @ 6:25pm

As a former right-wing evangelical, let me caution you right here, right now: you will have your heart broken if you expect politics to enact the kingdom of God! It's okay to talk to the politicians and even get what you can, but don't put your metaphorical eggs in their basket. The shards of what can happen is all around, and the dazed look in the eyes of people-who-just-wanted-to-stop-abortion should be educational. the kingdom of God is something different! (I know y'all know this - it's just a reminder while you're there in DC!)

by: sgillesp

04-27-2009 @ 6:25pm

As a former right-wing evangelical, let me caution you right here, right now: you will have your heart broken if you expect politics to enact the kingdom of God! It's okay to talk to the politicians and even get what you can, but don't put your metaphorical eggs in their basket. The shards of what can happen is all around, and the dazed look in the eyes of people-who-just-wanted-to-stop-abortion should be educational. the kingdom of God is something different! (I know y'all know this - it's just a reminder while you're there in DC!)

by: ando

04-27-2009 @ 7:25pm

Agreed. Shades of James Dobson and George W. Bush.

Also, what needs to be addressed are the myriad of causes of poverty. The Democrats look at it as just throwing a lot of money at the issue, sort of like the trickle down theory that the Republicans have tried. I guess money has to trickle from somewhere, whether by force or by freedom.

by: ando

04-27-2009 @ 7:25pm

Agreed. Shades of James Dobson and George W. Bush.

Also, what needs to be addressed are the myriad of causes of poverty. The Democrats look at it as just throwing a lot of money at the issue, sort of like the trickle down theory that the Republicans have tried. I guess money has to trickle from somewhere, whether by force or by freedom.

by: hammerud

04-27-2009 @ 8:28pm

The insane monetary expansion being propagated by this administration will only result in increased poverty.

by: hammerud

04-27-2009 @ 8:28pm

The insane monetary expansion being propagated by this administration will only result in increased poverty.

by: xfree9

04-28-2009 @ 9:28am

I'm much behind Sojourners in their M2EP, but I can't help but wonder what about their gospel is so inadequate that they need the power of the White House to get this done? I don't recall Jesus asking his followers to acquire power to get the kingdom's will done (or at least using that power to coerce others to do your own will).

The title of this blog post says it all. Sojourners may want to "end poverty," but the game plan is very much about acquiring power, or having a large role in persuading those who do. The end game is honorable, biblical, and loving. This particular aspect of the game plan is just plain wrong.

by: xfree9

04-28-2009 @ 9:28am

I'm much behind Sojourners in their M2EP, but I can't help but wonder what about their gospel is so inadequate that they need the power of the White House to get this done? I don't recall Jesus asking his followers to acquire power to get the kingdom's will done (or at least using that power to coerce others to do your own will).

The title of this blog post says it all. Sojourners may want to "end poverty," but the game plan is very much about acquiring power, or having a large role in persuading those who do. The end game is honorable, biblical, and loving. This particular aspect of the game plan is just plain wrong.

by: Eric77

04-28-2009 @ 1:08pm

The reason their gospel is inadequate or, at least, incomplete, is that they consider justice done merely when there is no more poverty. This is an incomplete definition of justice compared to how Jesus (and the early Christians who knew him) conducted his ministry. I don't think they fully and carefully consider the means used enough. If their allies in powerful government positions have to threaten people with jail time to get them to send some of the resources God has blessed them with to the federal government so that the government can then use a fraction of those resources to assist people of lesser means then that is an acceptable price to pay, in their minds. They ignore the fact that true Biblical justice is only achieved when people voluntary make sacrifices to help those who need assistance.

by: Eric77

04-28-2009 @ 1:08pm

The reason their gospel is inadequate or, at least, incomplete, is that they consider justice done merely when there is no more poverty. This is an incomplete definition of justice compared to how Jesus (and the early Christians who knew him) conducted his ministry. I don't think they fully and carefully consider the means used enough. If their allies in powerful government positions have to threaten people with jail time to get them to send some of the resources God has blessed them with to the federal government so that the government can then use a fraction of those resources to assist people of lesser means then that is an acceptable price to pay, in their minds. They ignore the fact that true Biblical justice is only achieved when people voluntary make sacrifices to help those who need assistance.

by: xfree9

04-28-2009 @ 2:14pm

I appreciate your words here. You added much value to my own sentiments, and probably in a more constructive way. This stuff just makes me upset. Christianity was never about acquiring power. Both the Left and Right seem to be all about acquiring power.

by: xfree9

04-28-2009 @ 2:14pm

I appreciate your words here. You added much value to my own sentiments, and probably in a more constructive way. This stuff just makes me upset. Christianity was never about acquiring power. Both the Left and Right seem to be all about acquiring power.

by: Eric77

04-28-2009 @ 3:08pm

The reason their gospel is inadequate or, at least, incomplete, is that they consider justice done merely when there is no more poverty. This is an incomplete definition of justice compared to how Jesus (and the early Christians who knew him) conducted his ministry. I don't think they fully and carefully consider the means used enough. If their allies in powerful government positions have to threaten people with jail time to get them to send some of the resources God has blessed them with to the federal government so that the government can then use a fraction of those resources to assist people of lesser means then that is an acceptable price to pay, in their minds. They ignore the fact that true Biblical justice is only achieved when people voluntary make sacrifices to help those who need assistance.

by: Eric77

04-28-2009 @ 3:08pm

The reason their gospel is inadequate or, at least, incomplete, is that they consider justice done merely when there is no more poverty. This is an incomplete definition of justice compared to how Jesus (and the early Christians who knew him) conducted his ministry. I don't think they fully and carefully consider the means used enough. If their allies in powerful government positions have to threaten people with jail time to get them to send some of the resources God has blessed them with to the federal government so that the government can then use a fraction of those resources to assist people of lesser means then that is an acceptable price to pay, in their minds. They ignore the fact that true Biblical justice is only achieved when people voluntary make sacrifices to help those who need assistance.

by: xfree9

04-28-2009 @ 4:14pm

I appreciate your words here. You added much value to my own sentiments, and probably in a more constructive way. This stuff just makes me upset. Christianity was never about acquiring power. Both the Left and Right seem to be all about acquiring power.

by: xfree9

04-28-2009 @ 4:14pm

I appreciate your words here. You added much value to my own sentiments, and probably in a more constructive way. This stuff just makes me upset. Christianity was never about acquiring power. Both the Left and Right seem to be all about acquiring power.