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There were some remarkable outcomes to last week's Mobilization to End Poverty, with nearly 50 sponsors and partners. The week's events brought together Christian leaders and grassroots activists committed to overcoming poverty -- both domestically and internationally. Here are some of the statistics from the event: There were 1,153 people who attended, from 44 states (and The District of Columbia) and six countries. The quality of the various presentations at the Mobilization was widely praised as excellent-both the inspirational plenary sessions and the in depth training workshops. Morning Bible studies were led by John Perkins and Vincent Harding, and there were three nights of uplifting worship with powerful preaching by Rep. John Lewis, Pastor Freddie Haynes, and Bishop Vashti McKenzie, and music by Martin Smith and Vicky Beeching. Awards were given to exemplary grassroots activists and to national figures, such as Tavis Smiley, who are willing to speak out on the crucial issues of economic and racial justice.

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We all know how busy President Obama's schedule is, but he was kind enough to send a personal video, which was presented the first morning of the Mobilization, thanking the activists from the faith community for coming to Washington and for what they do back home. To further highlight the administration's sense of the importance of the event, the video was followed by a panel discussion with top White House staff working on the anti-poverty agenda, including the Director of the Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships, Joshua DuBois; the administration's point person on poverty, Martha Coven; and Special Adviser for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, Van Jones, who showed that he is still a preacher despite now being part of a presidential administration.

The next day we went to Capitol Hill for an advocacy day. Faith leaders got appointments in the offices of 82 senators and 210 representatives! That is almost unheard of for one group in one day. Our advocacy teams urged Congress to commit to reducing poverty by half in the next 10 years, fully funding the foreign assistance budget, and supporting health care reform. At a rousing afternoon rally, five members of the Senate or House came to speak to us, including the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.

The diversity of the participants was also encouraging in many ways. Twenty-four denominations and dozens of faith-based organizations were represented from across the spectrum

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by: DHFabian

05-08-2009 @ 5:49pm

Unfortunately, when it comes to US poverty, we don't confront the realities we have today. People need help, not platitudes. We need to stop punishing people for "choosing" to be poor! For the past 30+ years, we've heard promises of job creation. In reality, the bulk of taxpayer money given to corporations specifically for "job creation" has been used to move US jobs to foreign countries. Regardless, a promise of eventual job creation here won't pay next month's rent.

We have to face the reality that not everyone can work, and that there aren't nearly enough jobs for all who can. We need to stop ignoring or sidestepping the fact that we need a legitimate social safety net -- a non-punitive, needs-based welfare system to enable people to keep their families together and maintain a measure of stability during this time. Job losses are expected to continue over the next year. We are, as a country, unprepared for today's job market, and it is in everyone's best interests to begin investing in the people, and in education and REAL job skills training.

Every penny given for job creation MUST go into creating fair-paying jobs right here in the US. Every month, we have been losing hundreds of thousands of jobs, and we have got to reverse this.

It's time to stop blaming people for being poor, to aid those who have no options, and to create family-supporting jobs for the employable.

by: ando

05-08-2009 @ 6:28pm

"It's time to stop blaming people for being poor, to aid those who have no options, and to create family-supporting jobs for the employable."

The parents of my Latino students seem to find jobs pretty well. At least until this last downturn. Of course, you have to be willing to work third shift, clean up after others, etc. But many of us had to start there, too.

It's not a matter of blaming people. It is a matter of distinguishing between the truly poor and less fortunate, and those who make bad decisions and continue to do so. To say that all the "poor" are inherently needy does a long-term disservice to them and to everyone else.

by: amycooper

06-18-2009 @ 5:11am

This is a wonderful opinion. The things mentioned are unanimous and needs
to be appreciated by everyone.
Mark Alter
administration job

by: ando

05-08-2009 @ 2:33pm

Okay. But my point is that it's the Bible that directs us to do so.
Perhaps for others it's their conscience speaking to them. Some of us would
say it's the nudging of the Spirit. You can give the ultimate credit either
to God, or to Evolution, for being Christ-like.

by: skaterpunk

05-08-2009 @ 5:12pm

JIm: i am amazed at how you evade the issue around gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender people. To me unless you talk about this you are a two faced, hypocrite. father river sims

by: squeaky

05-08-2009 @ 8:12pm

Ummm--this topic doesn't address that issue. Are you suggesting that he address the issue in every single post he puts forth? Furthermore, there have been plenty of threads that do address that issue on this site. So he and others have talked about it before. Perhaps you should peruse the archives.

by: DHFabian

05-08-2009 @ 5:49pm

Unfortunately, when it comes to US poverty, we don't confront the realities we have today. People need help, not platitudes. We need to stop punishing people for "choosing" to be poor! For the past 30+ years, we've heard promises of job creation. In reality, the bulk of taxpayer money given to corporations specifically for "job creation" has been used to move US jobs to foreign countries. Regardless, a promise of eventual job creation here won't pay next month's rent.

We have to face the reality that not everyone can work, and that there aren't nearly enough jobs for all who can. We need to stop ignoring or sidestepping the fact that we need a legitimate social safety net -- a non-punitive, needs-based welfare system to enable people to keep their families together and maintain a measure of stability during this time. Job losses are expected to continue over the next year. We are, as a country, unprepared for today's job market, and it is in everyone's best interests to begin investing in the people, and in education and REAL job skills training.

Every penny given for job creation MUST go into creating fair-paying jobs right here in the US. Every month, we have been losing hundreds of thousands of jobs, and we have got to reverse this.

It's time to stop blaming people for being poor, to aid those who have no options, and to create family-supporting jobs for the employable.

by: ando

05-08-2009 @ 6:28pm

"It's time to stop blaming people for being poor, to aid those who have no options, and to create family-supporting jobs for the employable."

The parents of my Latino students seem to find jobs pretty well. At least until this last downturn. Of course, you have to be willing to work third shift, clean up after others, etc. But many of us had to start there, too.

It's not a matter of blaming people. It is a matter of distinguishing between the truly poor and less fortunate, and those who make bad decisions and continue to do so. To say that all the "poor" are inherently needy does a long-term disservice to them and to everyone else.

by: amycooper

06-18-2009 @ 5:11am

This is a wonderful opinion. The things mentioned are unanimous and needs
to be appreciated by everyone.
Mark Alter
administration job

by: amycooper

06-18-2009 @ 7:11am

This is a wonderful opinion. The things mentioned are unanimous and needs
to be appreciated by everyone.
Mark Alter
administration job

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06-18-2009 @ 7:11am

This is a wonderful opinion. The things mentioned are unanimous and needs
to be appreciated by everyone.
Mark Alter
administration job

by: radicalloverevolution

05-07-2009 @ 5:40pm

God bless you, Jim Wallis. I am so heartened to read about the tremendous work Sojourners is doing, and that "the tide is rising." I'm also heartened to hear about the diversity of the crowd that gathered in Washington. I can't tell you how inspirational I find this story. I wish I could have afforded to travel to Washington--but even though I couldn't, please count me among the ranks of this growing "army."

by: HealingWrd

05-07-2009 @ 7:36pm

Why did you label your essay that way.... "Doing Kingdom Work"? It is soooo sexist, and almost militaristic-sounding. Don't you know that the term "Kingdom" turns so many people off, including myself? I understand we should all about building the Reign of God but it is important that we express ourselves with words that will not be misunderstood and misinterpreted. If a Muslim or Jew or agnostic read that title, would she be encouraged to read your article? Would she be encouraged by your good deeds? I think not. She would only see your good intentions as manipulative.

by: letjusticerolldown

05-07-2009 @ 7:44pm

I think this is a good question. But it is also a tension Jesus seemed comfortable with allowing to simmer. After three years with Jesus, Peter was still anxious to pick up the sword for the Kingdom.

Sometimes we need to adjust our words so they can be heard. Sometimes we need to use troubling words so persons ultimately struggle to hear them in a new way.

by: squeaky

05-07-2009 @ 8:02pm

Did you actually read the article or just react to the title? Had you read the article, or if you were at all familiar with Sojourners, I doubt you would characterize the article in the way you did.

You are right--the phrase "Kingdom of God" truly has been misunderstood and misinterpreted, and I would argue there are as many different understandings of it as there are Christians. The version you reacted to, I don't believe, is the version that Jesus promotes throughout Scripture. I would encourage you to read what He has to say about the Kingdom and the Kingdom that He modeled with His life and ministry.

Christians are not likely to stop using the phrase "Kingdom of God" just because it has been misused, abused, and misunderstood. It is a concept that was at the very center of Christ's ministry, and therefore at the center of Christianity. More likely what (hopefully) will happen is that Christians will start living according to the Kingdom Jesus' life and ministry set into motion on this Earth. That Kingdom is very different from the kingdom you describe in your post.

by: letjusticerolldown

05-07-2009 @ 7:51pm

Before the "Mobilization" I asked multiple clarifying questions; one of which had to do with whether this was a mobilization to end poverty or a political mobilization to get the government to take a set of actions. Another had to do whether you viewed it within the government's purview to end poverty.

Thank you for finally answering. Thank you for writing with clarity as to what was accomplished.

For the life of me I don't understand why you think the Congress of the United States has the power to end poverty. How can you hold a body responsible to accomplish what is beyond its purview?

The sole focus is on advocacy for Federal governmental action.

I simply can't imagine waking up tomorrow and thinking the government ought to set out to adjust my income status.

by: nuclearferret

05-07-2009 @ 8:09pm

You think "Reign of God" is meaningfully different than a "Kingdom of God?" Who "reigns?" Democratic, inclusive leaders? No. Monarchs and dictators reign, and your terminology is as militaristic as Mr. Wallis'.

by: squeaky

05-07-2009 @ 8:28pm

It's an interesting point, nuke. and I think it illustrates how humans have corrupted the concepts of kingdom, reign, and rule. God's Kingdom and God's Reign look nothing like the debauched versions we have tried to implement on Earth. Reminds me of how Israel exchanged God's Kingdom for a human kingdom as found in Saul. They wanted the glitz, glimmer, and glamour the kingdoms of the world had built, rather than the upside down kingdom that values humility over power.

Power and might is only trusted in God's hands. In human hands, it becomes corrupt and dangerous.

by: HealingWrd

05-07-2009 @ 10:08pm

Yes, squeaky, I did read the whole article. I have been a subscriber to Sojourner's for a long time. I read Jim Wallis' books and I have attended his lectures. My problem was with the TITLE of his article. (Please reread my blog.) it's important to get people to read good articles. If the title turns people away you've missed an opportunity. Evangelization is much more than using certain phrases over and over again. Sometimes language gets in the way.

by: RJohnson64

05-07-2009 @ 11:44pm

"For the life of me I don't understand why you think the Congress of the United States has the power to end poverty. How can you hold a body responsible to accomplish what is beyond its purview?"

It doesn't. But the church is clearly unable or unwilling to step in and minister to the poor in sufficient numbers. What would you have the poor do, just die off and be done with it?

by: radicalloverevolution

05-07-2009 @ 5:40pm

God bless you, Jim Wallis. I am so heartened to read about the tremendous work Sojourners is doing, and that "the tide is rising." I'm also heartened to hear about the diversity of the crowd that gathered in Washington. I can't tell you how inspirational I find this story. I wish I could have afforded to travel to Washington--but even though I couldn't, please count me among the ranks of this growing "army."

by: ando

05-08-2009 @ 12:08am

"What would you have the poor do, just die off and be done with it?"
Well, we've done that with about 50 million unborn children over the past 35 years...but I digress.

I'm heartened that there are organizations such as InterVarsity which have partnered with this mobilization. Otherwise, you have the typical Left/Right dichotomy based on one's politics that's so prevalent in our society. (Isn't a lot of what's going on now just like the last 8 years, only the seats of power have changed?) I know a number of people who work at IV and they are all passionate about spreading the love of Christ to this nation and world. The call to social action and helping the poor needs to be accompanied by a grounding in Scriptural truths.

by: HealingWrd

05-07-2009 @ 7:36pm

Why did you label your essay that way.... "Doing Kingdom Work"? It is soooo sexist, and almost militaristic-sounding. Don't you know that the term "Kingdom" turns so many people off, including myself? I understand we should all about building the Reign of God but it is important that we express ourselves with words that will not be misunderstood and misinterpreted. If a Muslim or Jew or agnostic read that title, would she be encouraged to read your article? Would she be encouraged by your good deeds? I think not. She would only see your good intentions as manipulative.

by: letjusticerolldown

05-07-2009 @ 7:44pm

I think this is a good question. But it is also a tension Jesus seemed comfortable with allowing to simmer. After three years with Jesus, Peter was still anxious to pick up the sword for the Kingdom.

Sometimes we need to adjust our words so they can be heard. Sometimes we need to use troubling words so persons ultimately struggle to hear them in a new way.

by: squeaky

05-07-2009 @ 8:02pm

Did you actually read the article or just react to the title? Had you read the article, or if you were at all familiar with Sojourners, I doubt you would characterize the article in the way you did.

You are right--the phrase "Kingdom of God" truly has been misunderstood and misinterpreted, and I would argue there are as many different understandings of it as there are Christians. The version you reacted to, I don't believe, is the version that Jesus promotes throughout Scripture. I would encourage you to read what He has to say about the Kingdom and the Kingdom that He modeled with His life and ministry.

Christians are not likely to stop using the phrase "Kingdom of God" just because it has been misused, abused, and misunderstood. It is a concept that was at the very center of Christ's ministry, and therefore at the center of Christianity. More likely what (hopefully) will happen is that Christians will start living according to the Kingdom Jesus' life and ministry set into motion on this Earth. That Kingdom is very different from the kingdom you describe in your post.

by: letjusticerolldown

05-07-2009 @ 7:51pm

Before the "Mobilization" I asked multiple clarifying questions; one of which had to do with whether this was a mobilization to end poverty or a political mobilization to get the government to take a set of actions. Another had to do whether you viewed it within the government's purview to end poverty.

Thank you for finally answering. Thank you for writing with clarity as to what was accomplished.

For the life of me I don't understand why you think the Congress of the United States has the power to end poverty. How can you hold a body responsible to accomplish what is beyond its purview?

The sole focus is on advocacy for Federal governmental action.

I simply can't imagine waking up tomorrow and thinking the government ought to set out to adjust my income status.

by: SisterMarie

05-08-2009 @ 11:37am

"The call to social action and helping the poor needs to be accompanied by a grounding in Scriptural truths."

To quote Maxwell Smart, "Not necessarily."

Those who are working and giving in response to Christ's example are to be commended. Non-Christians who are working alongside Christians to feed the hungry and minister to the sick are also welcome.

by: nuclearferret

05-07-2009 @ 8:09pm

You think "Reign of God" is meaningfully different than a "Kingdom of God?" Who "reigns?" Democratic, inclusive leaders? No. Monarchs and dictators reign, and your terminology is as militaristic as Mr. Wallis'.

by: squeaky

05-08-2009 @ 1:53pm

I'm glad you read the article. I understand your concern that certain terms we use as Christians have negative connotations to them. An atheist friend told me that he has an automatic negative reaction to the phrase "born again." Because of that, I decided not to use that phrase when I describe myself anymore. That isn't very problematic to me, however, because it is a phrase Jesus only used once in His ministry.

However. the Kingdom of God is central to Jesus' ministry. It is something of vital importance to Him and He talks about it all the time. I don't know how you get past that.

So how do you suggest we avoid the phrase and still have a complete and true Gospel to offer the world? It is not His fault that we hijacked, misused, and abused the phrase "Kingdom of God".

An even bigger question is, if you are going to strike that phrase from our language because it offends, where do we stop? Some people are deeply offended by the name Jesus Christ. Others find the word Christian offensive. Still others chafe at the name God. Should we just shut up? (maybe we should, so our actions can speak in place of our words).

Truth is, with the possible exceptions of words like "the" and "and", there are few words we can use that everyone would agree is not offensive. You could, in fact, take any title on this blog and find some group that is deeply offended by it.

I suggest that the best way to combat the misuses and abuses of the Gospel that have turned people away from Jesus are to live lives that reflect the Gospel and the Kingdom of God Jesus lived and modeled for us. The Gospel does say we will offend the world--we can't make it PC. But may it be that we offend the world for the same reasons Jesus offended the world rather than for the reasons that have misrepresented Him and His ministry.

by: squeaky

05-07-2009 @ 8:28pm

It's an interesting point, nuke. and I think it illustrates how humans have corrupted the concepts of kingdom, reign, and rule. God's Kingdom and God's Reign look nothing like the debauched versions we have tried to implement on Earth. Reminds me of how Israel exchanged God's Kingdom for a human kingdom as found in Saul. They wanted the glitz, glimmer, and glamour the kingdoms of the world had built, rather than the upside down kingdom that values humility over power.

Power and might is only trusted in God's hands. In human hands, it becomes corrupt and dangerous.

by: letjusticerolldown

05-08-2009 @ 1:11pm

Acknowledging the Congress/Whitehouse does not have the power to end poverty (or cut it by 50%) does not imply the poor should just die off.

The question you ask me is the question I have attempted to pose to the Mobilization to End Poverty.

Mr. Wallis did not specify one action to be taken as a result of the Mobilization--other than to hold Congress accountable.

It is essentially dishonest and dysfunctional.

Yes, the government should be tasked to govern justly with a priority in all it does to deliver justice to those most vulnerable. Yes it should be held accountable.

A mobilization to end poverty involves millions of actors. It includes poor persons, rich persons, businesses, artists, communicators, preachers, churches, non-profits, academics, think-tanks, neighborhood associations, county governments, states, nations and international bodies.

If you were "In Poverty" -- who could best contribute to your life becoming marked by a just prosperity?

by: HealingWrd

05-07-2009 @ 10:08pm

Yes, squeaky, I did read the whole article. I have been a subscriber to Sojourner's for a long time. I read Jim Wallis' books and I have attended his lectures. My problem was with the TITLE of his article. (Please reread my blog.) it's important to get people to read good articles. If the title turns people away you've missed an opportunity. Evangelization is much more than using certain phrases over and over again. Sometimes language gets in the way.

by: RJohnson64

05-07-2009 @ 11:44pm

"For the life of me I don't understand why you think the Congress of the United States has the power to end poverty. How can you hold a body responsible to accomplish what is beyond its purview?"

It doesn't. But the church is clearly unable or unwilling to step in and minister to the poor in sufficient numbers. What would you have the poor do, just die off and be done with it?

by: ando

05-08-2009 @ 12:08am

"What would you have the poor do, just die off and be done with it?"
Well, we've done that with about 50 million unborn children over the past 35 years...but I digress.

I'm heartened that there are organizations such as InterVarsity which have partnered with this mobilization. Otherwise, you have the typical Left/Right dichotomy based on one's politics that's so prevalent in our society. (Isn't a lot of what's going on now just like the last 8 years, only the seats of power have changed?) I know a number of people who work at IV and they are all passionate about spreading the love of Christ to this nation and world. The call to social action and helping the poor needs to be accompanied by a grounding in Scriptural truths.

by: SisterMarie

05-08-2009 @ 11:37am

"The call to social action and helping the poor needs to be accompanied by a grounding in Scriptural truths."

To quote Maxwell Smart, "Not necessarily."

Those who are working and giving in response to Christ's example are to be commended. Non-Christians who are working alongside Christians to feed the hungry and minister to the sick are also welcome.

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by: squeaky

05-08-2009 @ 1:53pm

I'm glad you read the article. I understand your concern that certain terms we use as Christians have negative connotations to them. An atheist friend told me that he has an automatic negative reaction to the phrase "born again." Because of that, I decided not to use that phrase when I describe myself anymore. That isn't very problematic to me, however, because it is a phrase Jesus only used once in His ministry.

However. the Kingdom of God is central to Jesus' ministry. It is something of vital importance to Him and He talks about it all the time. I don't know how you get past that.

So how do you suggest we avoid the phrase and still have a complete and true Gospel to offer the world? It is not His fault that we hijacked, misused, and abused the phrase "Kingdom of God".

An even bigger question is, if you are going to strike that phrase from our language because it offends, where do we stop? Some people are deeply offended by the name Jesus Christ. Others find the word Christian offensive. Still others chafe at the name God. Should we just shut up? (maybe we should, so our actions can speak in place of our words).

Truth is, with the possible exceptions of words like "the" and "and", there are few words we can use that everyone would agree is not offensive. You could, in fact, take any title on this blog and find some group that is deeply offended by it.

I suggest that the best way to combat the misuses and abuses of the Gospel that have turned people away from Jesus are to live lives that reflect the Gospel and the Kingdom of God Jesus lived and modeled for us. The Gospel does say we will offend the world--we can't make it PC. But may it be that we offend the world for the same reasons Jesus offended the world rather than for the reasons that have misrepresented Him and His ministry.

by: letjusticerolldown

05-08-2009 @ 1:11pm

Acknowledging the Congress/Whitehouse does not have the power to end poverty (or cut it by 50%) does not imply the poor should just die off.

The question you ask me is the question I have attempted to pose to the Mobilization to End Poverty.

Mr. Wallis did not specify one action to be taken as a result of the Mobilization--other than to hold Congress accountable.

It is essentially dishonest and dysfunctional.

Yes, the government should be tasked to govern justly with a priority in all it does to deliver justice to those most vulnerable. Yes it should be held accountable.

A mobilization to end poverty involves millions of actors. It includes poor persons, rich persons, businesses, artists, communicators, preachers, churches, non-profits, academics, think-tanks, neighborhood associations, county governments, states, nations and international bodies.

If you were "In Poverty" -- who could best contribute to your life becoming marked by a just prosperity?

by: ando

05-08-2009 @ 2:33pm

Okay. But my point is that it's the Bible that directs us to do so.
Perhaps for others it's their conscience speaking to them. Some of us would
say it's the nudging of the Spirit. You can give the ultimate credit either
to God, or to Evolution, for being Christ-like.

by: skaterpunk

05-08-2009 @ 5:12pm

JIm: i am amazed at how you evade the issue around gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender people. To me unless you talk about this you are a two faced, hypocrite. father river sims

by: squeaky

05-08-2009 @ 8:12pm

Ummm--this topic doesn't address that issue. Are you suggesting that he address the issue in every single post he puts forth? Furthermore, there have been plenty of threads that do address that issue on this site. So he and others have talked about it before. Perhaps you should peruse the archives.

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by: radicalloverevolution

05-07-2009 @ 5:40pm

God bless you, Jim Wallis. I am so heartened to read about the tremendous work Sojourners is doing, and that "the tide is rising." I'm also heartened to hear about the diversity of the crowd that gathered in Washington. I can't tell you how inspirational I find this story. I wish I could have afforded to travel to Washington--but even though I couldn't, please count me among the ranks of this growing "army."

by: radicalloverevolution

05-07-2009 @ 5:40pm

God bless you, Jim Wallis. I am so heartened to read about the tremendous work Sojourners is doing, and that "the tide is rising." I'm also heartened to hear about the diversity of the crowd that gathered in Washington. I can't tell you how inspirational I find this story. I wish I could have afforded to travel to Washington--but even though I couldn't, please count me among the ranks of this growing "army."

by: HealingWrd

05-07-2009 @ 7:36pm

Why did you label your essay that way.... "Doing Kingdom Work"? It is soooo sexist, and almost militaristic-sounding. Don't you know that the term "Kingdom" turns so many people off, including myself? I understand we should all about building the Reign of God but it is important that we express ourselves with words that will not be misunderstood and misinterpreted. If a Muslim or Jew or agnostic read that title, would she be encouraged to read your article? Would she be encouraged by your good deeds? I think not. She would only see your good intentions as manipulative.

by: HealingWrd

05-07-2009 @ 7:36pm

Why did you label your essay that way.... "Doing Kingdom Work"? It is soooo sexist, and almost militaristic-sounding. Don't you know that the term "Kingdom" turns so many people off, including myself? I understand we should all about building the Reign of God but it is important that we express ourselves with words that will not be misunderstood and misinterpreted. If a Muslim or Jew or agnostic read that title, would she be encouraged to read your article? Would she be encouraged by your good deeds? I think not. She would only see your good intentions as manipulative.

by: letjusticerolldown

05-07-2009 @ 7:44pm

I think this is a good question. But it is also a tension Jesus seemed comfortable with allowing to simmer. After three years with Jesus, Peter was still anxious to pick up the sword for the Kingdom.

Sometimes we need to adjust our words so they can be heard. Sometimes we need to use troubling words so persons ultimately struggle to hear them in a new way.

by: letjusticerolldown

05-07-2009 @ 7:44pm

I think this is a good question. But it is also a tension Jesus seemed comfortable with allowing to simmer. After three years with Jesus, Peter was still anxious to pick up the sword for the Kingdom.

Sometimes we need to adjust our words so they can be heard. Sometimes we need to use troubling words so persons ultimately struggle to hear them in a new way.

by: letjusticerolldown

05-07-2009 @ 7:51pm

Before the "Mobilization" I asked multiple clarifying questions; one of which had to do with whether this was a mobilization to end poverty or a political mobilization to get the government to take a set of actions. Another had to do whether you viewed it within the government's purview to end poverty.

Thank you for finally answering. Thank you for writing with clarity as to what was accomplished.

For the life of me I don't understand why you think the Congress of the United States has the power to end poverty. How can you hold a body responsible to accomplish what is beyond its purview?

The sole focus is on advocacy for Federal governmental action.

I simply can't imagine waking up tomorrow and thinking the government ought to set out to adjust my income status.

by: letjusticerolldown

05-07-2009 @ 7:51pm

Before the "Mobilization" I asked multiple clarifying questions; one of which had to do with whether this was a mobilization to end poverty or a political mobilization to get the government to take a set of actions. Another had to do whether you viewed it within the government's purview to end poverty.

Thank you for finally answering. Thank you for writing with clarity as to what was accomplished.

For the life of me I don't understand why you think the Congress of the United States has the power to end poverty. How can you hold a body responsible to accomplish what is beyond its purview?

The sole focus is on advocacy for Federal governmental action.

I simply can't imagine waking up tomorrow and thinking the government ought to set out to adjust my income status.

by: squeaky

05-07-2009 @ 8:02pm

Did you actually read the article or just react to the title? Had you read the article, or if you were at all familiar with Sojourners, I doubt you would characterize the article in the way you did.

You are right--the phrase "Kingdom of God" truly has been misunderstood and misinterpreted, and I would argue there are as many different understandings of it as there are Christians. The version you reacted to, I don't believe, is the version that Jesus promotes throughout Scripture. I would encourage you to read what He has to say about the Kingdom and the Kingdom that He modeled with His life and ministry.

Christians are not likely to stop using the phrase "Kingdom of God" just because it has been misused, abused, and misunderstood. It is a concept that was at the very center of Christ's ministry, and therefore at the center of Christianity. More likely what (hopefully) will happen is that Christians will start living according to the Kingdom Jesus' life and ministry set into motion on this Earth. That Kingdom is very different from the kingdom you describe in your post.

by: squeaky

05-07-2009 @ 8:02pm

Did you actually read the article or just react to the title? Had you read the article, or if you were at all familiar with Sojourners, I doubt you would characterize the article in the way you did.

You are right--the phrase "Kingdom of God" truly has been misunderstood and misinterpreted, and I would argue there are as many different understandings of it as there are Christians. The version you reacted to, I don't believe, is the version that Jesus promotes throughout Scripture. I would encourage you to read what He has to say about the Kingdom and the Kingdom that He modeled with His life and ministry.

Christians are not likely to stop using the phrase "Kingdom of God" just because it has been misused, abused, and misunderstood. It is a concept that was at the very center of Christ's ministry, and therefore at the center of Christianity. More likely what (hopefully) will happen is that Christians will start living according to the Kingdom Jesus' life and ministry set into motion on this Earth. That Kingdom is very different from the kingdom you describe in your post.

by: nuclearferret

05-07-2009 @ 8:09pm

You think "Reign of God" is meaningfully different than a "Kingdom of God?" Who "reigns?" Democratic, inclusive leaders? No. Monarchs and dictators reign, and your terminology is as militaristic as Mr. Wallis'.

by: nuclearferret

05-07-2009 @ 8:09pm

You think "Reign of God" is meaningfully different than a "Kingdom of God?" Who "reigns?" Democratic, inclusive leaders? No. Monarchs and dictators reign, and your terminology is as militaristic as Mr. Wallis'.

by: squeaky

05-07-2009 @ 8:28pm

It's an interesting point, nuke. and I think it illustrates how humans have corrupted the concepts of kingdom, reign, and rule. God's Kingdom and God's Reign look nothing like the debauched versions we have tried to implement on Earth. Reminds me of how Israel exchanged God's Kingdom for a human kingdom as found in Saul. They wanted the glitz, glimmer, and glamour the kingdoms of the world had built, rather than the upside down kingdom that values humility over power.

Power and might is only trusted in God's hands. In human hands, it becomes corrupt and dangerous.

by: squeaky

05-07-2009 @ 8:28pm

It's an interesting point, nuke. and I think it illustrates how humans have corrupted the concepts of kingdom, reign, and rule. God's Kingdom and God's Reign look nothing like the debauched versions we have tried to implement on Earth. Reminds me of how Israel exchanged God's Kingdom for a human kingdom as found in Saul. They wanted the glitz, glimmer, and glamour the kingdoms of the world had built, rather than the upside down kingdom that values humility over power.

Power and might is only trusted in God's hands. In human hands, it becomes corrupt and dangerous.

by: HealingWrd

05-07-2009 @ 10:08pm

Yes, squeaky, I did read the whole article. I have been a subscriber to Sojourner's for a long time. I read Jim Wallis' books and I have attended his lectures. My problem was with the TITLE of his article. (Please reread my blog.) it's important to get people to read good articles. If the title turns people away you've missed an opportunity. Evangelization is much more than using certain phrases over and over again. Sometimes language gets in the way.

by: HealingWrd

05-07-2009 @ 10:08pm

Yes, squeaky, I did read the whole article. I have been a subscriber to Sojourner's for a long time. I read Jim Wallis' books and I have attended his lectures. My problem was with the TITLE of his article. (Please reread my blog.) it's important to get people to read good articles. If the title turns people away you've missed an opportunity. Evangelization is much more than using certain phrases over and over again. Sometimes language gets in the way.

by: RJohnson64

05-07-2009 @ 11:44pm

"For the life of me I don't understand why you think the Congress of the United States has the power to end poverty. How can you hold a body responsible to accomplish what is beyond its purview?"

It doesn't. But the church is clearly unable or unwilling to step in and minister to the poor in sufficient numbers. What would you have the poor do, just die off and be done with it?

by: RJohnson64

05-07-2009 @ 11:44pm

"For the life of me I don't understand why you think the Congress of the United States has the power to end poverty. How can you hold a body responsible to accomplish what is beyond its purview?"

It doesn't. But the church is clearly unable or unwilling to step in and minister to the poor in sufficient numbers. What would you have the poor do, just die off and be done with it?

by: ando

05-08-2009 @ 12:08am

"What would you have the poor do, just die off and be done with it?"
Well, we've done that with about 50 million unborn children over the past 35 years...but I digress.

I'm heartened that there are organizations such as InterVarsity which have partnered with this mobilization. Otherwise, you have the typical Left/Right dichotomy based on one's politics that's so prevalent in our society. (Isn't a lot of what's going on now just like the last 8 years, only the seats of power have changed?) I know a number of people who work at IV and they are all passionate about spreading the love of Christ to this nation and world. The call to social action and helping the poor needs to be accompanied by a grounding in Scriptural truths.

by: ando

05-08-2009 @ 12:08am

"What would you have the poor do, just die off and be done with it?"
Well, we've done that with about 50 million unborn children over the past 35 years...but I digress.

I'm heartened that there are organizations such as InterVarsity which have partnered with this mobilization. Otherwise, you have the typical Left/Right dichotomy based on one's politics that's so prevalent in our society. (Isn't a lot of what's going on now just like the last 8 years, only the seats of power have changed?) I know a number of people who work at IV and they are all passionate about spreading the love of Christ to this nation and world. The call to social action and helping the poor needs to be accompanied by a grounding in Scriptural truths.

by: SisterMarie

05-08-2009 @ 11:37am

"The call to social action and helping the poor needs to be accompanied by a grounding in Scriptural truths."

To quote Maxwell Smart, "Not necessarily."

Those who are working and giving in response to Christ's example are to be commended. Non-Christians who are working alongside Christians to feed the hungry and minister to the sick are also welcome.

by: SisterMarie

05-08-2009 @ 11:37am

"The call to social action and helping the poor needs to be accompanied by a grounding in Scriptural truths."

To quote Maxwell Smart, "Not necessarily."

Those who are working and giving in response to Christ's example are to be commended. Non-Christians who are working alongside Christians to feed the hungry and minister to the sick are also welcome.

by: letjusticerolldown

05-08-2009 @ 1:11pm

Acknowledging the Congress/Whitehouse does not have the power to end poverty (or cut it by 50%) does not imply the poor should just die off.

The question you ask me is the question I have attempted to pose to the Mobilization to End Poverty.

Mr. Wallis did not specify one action to be taken as a result of the Mobilization--other than to hold Congress accountable.

It is essentially dishonest and dysfunctional.

Yes, the government should be tasked to govern justly with a priority in all it does to deliver justice to those most vulnerable. Yes it should be held accountable.

A mobilization to end poverty involves millions of actors. It includes poor persons, rich persons, businesses, artists, communicators, preachers, churches, non-profits, academics, think-tanks, neighborhood associations, county governments, states, nations and international bodies.

If you were "In Poverty" -- who could best contribute to your life becoming marked by a just prosperity?

by: letjusticerolldown

05-08-2009 @ 1:11pm

Acknowledging the Congress/Whitehouse does not have the power to end poverty (or cut it by 50%) does not imply the poor should just die off.

The question you ask me is the question I have attempted to pose to the Mobilization to End Poverty.

Mr. Wallis did not specify one action to be taken as a result of the Mobilization--other than to hold Congress accountable.

It is essentially dishonest and dysfunctional.

Yes, the government should be tasked to govern justly with a priority in all it does to deliver justice to those most vulnerable. Yes it should be held accountable.

A mobilization to end poverty involves millions of actors. It includes poor persons, rich persons, businesses, artists, communicators, preachers, churches, non-profits, academics, think-tanks, neighborhood associations, county governments, states, nations and international bodies.

If you were "In Poverty" -- who could best contribute to your life becoming marked by a just prosperity?

by: squeaky

05-08-2009 @ 1:53pm

I'm glad you read the article. I understand your concern that certain terms we use as Christians have negative connotations to them. An atheist friend told me that he has an automatic negative reaction to the phrase "born again." Because of that, I decided not to use that phrase when I describe myself anymore. That isn't very problematic to me, however, because it is a phrase Jesus only used once in His ministry.

However. the Kingdom of God is central to Jesus' ministry. It is something of vital importance to Him and He talks about it all the time. I don't know how you get past that.

So how do you suggest we avoid the phrase and still have a complete and true Gospel to offer the world? It is not His fault that we hijacked, misused, and abused the phrase "Kingdom of God".

An even bigger question is, if you are going to strike that phrase from our language because it offends, where do we stop? Some people are deeply offended by the name Jesus Christ. Others find the word Christian offensive. Still others chafe at the name God. Should we just shut up? (maybe we should, so our actions can speak in place of our words).

Truth is, with the possible exceptions of words like "the" and "and", there are few words we can use that everyone would agree is not offensive. You could, in fact, take any title on this blog and find some group that is deeply offended by it.

I suggest that the best way to combat the misuses and abuses of the Gospel that have turned people away from Jesus are to live lives that reflect the Gospel and the Kingdom of God Jesus lived and modeled for us. The Gospel does say we will offend the world--we can't make it PC. But may it be that we offend the world for the same reasons Jesus offended the world rather than for the reasons that have misrepresented Him and His ministry.

by: squeaky

05-08-2009 @ 1:53pm

I'm glad you read the article. I understand your concern that certain terms we use as Christians have negative connotations to them. An atheist friend told me that he has an automatic negative reaction to the phrase "born again." Because of that, I decided not to use that phrase when I describe myself anymore. That isn't very problematic to me, however, because it is a phrase Jesus only used once in His ministry.

However. the Kingdom of God is central to Jesus' ministry. It is something of vital importance to Him and He talks about it all the time. I don't know how you get past that.

So how do you suggest we avoid the phrase and still have a complete and true Gospel to offer the world? It is not His fault that we hijacked, misused, and abused the phrase "Kingdom of God".

An even bigger question is, if you are going to strike that phrase from our language because it offends, where do we stop? Some people are deeply offended by the name Jesus Christ. Others find the word Christian offensive. Still others chafe at the name God. Should we just shut up? (maybe we should, so our actions can speak in place of our words).

Truth is, with the possible exceptions of words like "the" and "and", there are few words we can use that everyone would agree is not offensive. You could, in fact, take any title on this blog and find some group that is deeply offended by it.

I suggest that the best way to combat the misuses and abuses of the Gospel that have turned people away from Jesus are to live lives that reflect the Gospel and the Kingdom of God Jesus lived and modeled for us. The Gospel does say we will offend the world--we can't make it PC. But may it be that we offend the world for the same reasons Jesus offended the world rather than for the reasons that have misrepresented Him and His ministry.

by: ando

05-08-2009 @ 2:33pm

Okay. But my point is that it's the Bible that directs us to do so.
Perhaps for others it's their conscience speaking to them. Some of us would
say it's the nudging of the Spirit. You can give the ultimate credit either
to God, or to Evolution, for being Christ-like.

by: ando

05-08-2009 @ 2:33pm

Okay. But my point is that it's the Bible that directs us to do so.
Perhaps for others it's their conscience speaking to them. Some of us would
say it's the nudging of the Spirit. You can give the ultimate credit either
to God, or to Evolution, for being Christ-like.

by: skaterpunk

05-08-2009 @ 5:12pm

JIm: i am amazed at how you evade the issue around gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender people. To me unless you talk about this you are a two faced, hypocrite. father river sims

by: skaterpunk

05-08-2009 @ 5:12pm

JIm: i am amazed at how you evade the issue around gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender people. To me unless you talk about this you are a two faced, hypocrite. father river sims

by: DHFabian

05-08-2009 @ 5:49pm

Unfortunately, when it comes to US poverty, we don't confront the realities we have today. People need help, not platitudes. We need to stop punishing people for "choosing" to be poor! For the past 30+ years, we've heard promises of job creation. In reality, the bulk of taxpayer money given to corporations specifically for "job creation" has been used to move US jobs to foreign countries. Regardless, a promise of eventual job creation here won't pay next month's rent.

We have to face the reality that not everyone can work, and that there aren't nearly enough jobs for all who can. We need to stop ignoring or sidestepping the fact that we need a legitimate social safety net -- a non-punitive, needs-based welfare system to enable people to keep their families together and maintain a measure of stability during this time. Job losses are expected to continue over the next year. We are, as a country, unprepared for today's job market, and it is in everyone's best interests to begin investing in the people, and in education and REAL job skills training.

Every penny given for job creation MUST go into creating fair-paying jobs right here in the US. Every month, we have been losing hundreds of thousands of jobs, and we have got to reverse this.

It's time to stop blaming people for being poor, to aid those who have no options, and to create family-supporting jobs for the employable.

by: DHFabian

05-08-2009 @ 5:49pm

Unfortunately, when it comes to US poverty, we don't confront the realities we have today. People need help, not platitudes. We need to stop punishing people for "choosing" to be poor! For the past 30+ years, we've heard promises of job creation. In reality, the bulk of taxpayer money given to corporations specifically for "job creation" has been used to move US jobs to foreign countries. Regardless, a promise of eventual job creation here won't pay next month's rent.

We have to face the reality that not everyone can work, and that there aren't nearly enough jobs for all who can. We need to stop ignoring or sidestepping the fact that we need a legitimate social safety net -- a non-punitive, needs-based welfare system to enable people to keep their families together and maintain a measure of stability during this time. Job losses are expected to continue over the next year. We are, as a country, unprepared for today's job market, and it is in everyone's best interests to begin investing in the people, and in education and REAL job skills training.

Every penny given for job creation MUST go into creating fair-paying jobs right here in the US. Every month, we have been losing hundreds of thousands of jobs, and we have got to reverse this.

It's time to stop blaming people for being poor, to aid those who have no options, and to create family-supporting jobs for the employable.

by: ando

05-08-2009 @ 6:28pm

"It's time to stop blaming people for being poor, to aid those who have no options, and to create family-supporting jobs for the employable."

The parents of my Latino students seem to find jobs pretty well. At least until this last downturn. Of course, you have to be willing to work third shift, clean up after others, etc. But many of us had to start there, too.

It's not a matter of blaming people. It is a matter of distinguishing between the truly poor and less fortunate, and those who make bad decisions and continue to do so. To say that all the "poor" are inherently needy does a long-term disservice to them and to everyone else.

by: ando

05-08-2009 @ 6:28pm

"It's time to stop blaming people for being poor, to aid those who have no options, and to create family-supporting jobs for the employable."

The parents of my Latino students seem to find jobs pretty well. At least until this last downturn. Of course, you have to be willing to work third shift, clean up after others, etc. But many of us had to start there, too.

It's not a matter of blaming people. It is a matter of distinguishing between the truly poor and less fortunate, and those who make bad decisions and continue to do so. To say that all the "poor" are inherently needy does a long-term disservice to them and to everyone else.

by: squeaky

05-08-2009 @ 8:12pm

Ummm--this topic doesn't address that issue. Are you suggesting that he address the issue in every single post he puts forth? Furthermore, there have been plenty of threads that do address that issue on this site. So he and others have talked about it before. Perhaps you should peruse the archives.

by: squeaky

05-08-2009 @ 8:12pm

Ummm--this topic doesn't address that issue. Are you suggesting that he address the issue in every single post he puts forth? Furthermore, there have been plenty of threads that do address that issue on this site. So he and others have talked about it before. Perhaps you should peruse the archives.

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