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The Myth of Holy War

I, like Aaron Taylor before me, noticed the GQ expose of the Worldwide Intelligence Update that the former administration had circulated. I came across the story by way of Stephen Colbert, but when I looked more deeply into the article, I found it entirely and irrefutably contrary to a Christian ethic, bordering on a willful usurpation of scripture to achieve such an anti-Christ end as organized violence.

Looking at the photos in the magazine article, I realized that the atrocities of the Iraq War continue to this day. While memos in which scriptures are juxtaposed with photos of warfare are no longer used by our government, it is important to remember that young men and women continue to fight and die on both sides of the conflict, and to relegate it to mere past tense comes dangerously close to pushing it away from what it is (a pressing and urgent moral imperative) and risk unwittingly estranging the members of our military fighting there. What I mean is that we must not forget that far too many men and women today, this very hour, are continuing to be hurt, maimed, and killed in this conflict. The most damning silence will meet them upon their return if we do not consider this worthy of our attention and thought. There is never any more ethically taxing issue in a society than when it is at war. Our warriors know exactly how much (or how little) attention we are willing to devote to such a task, and that consequentially indicates how much (or how little) we devote to their recovery upon their return.

The war in and on Iraq neither was, nor is, nor may ever be a "holy war." There is no discernable difference or uniqueness about this particular conflict, and I see nothing the war itself offers us distinct and apart ("holy") from the wars throughout history. To articulate more clearly, for a war to be holy is an obscenity of modern grammar (or should be to the Christian ear); no war has been 'set apart' in any coherent sense of the word. Where we find this term used most often (and recklessly) is in describing the violence of the Hebrew Bible, our "Old" Testament. The word most often used is charam, which is closer to proscription, not qadash which is used for "holy." We must not confuse the theory of "just" wars with the conflicts described (as wholly distinct from being prescribed) in books such as Exodus, Joshua, Judges, etc. John Howard Yoder many years ago suggested the very urgent need to take the just war theory seriously, and I encourage Sojourners readers to do exactly that. But please, for the sake of our witness to the world and for the sake of the very lives that such a thought risks (both of our own citizens and our neighbors), do not confuse the idea of wars being just with the morally offensive proposal that wars may be holy. It is a horrific practice that I hope President Obama will not carry over from the last administration.

Logan Laituri

Logan Laituri is an Army veteran with combatant service in Iraq during OIF II and experience with Christian Peacemaker Teams in Israel and the West Bank. He is also co-founder of a faith-based veterans assistance initiative called Centurion's Purse, which seeks to provide financial and spiritual relief to fellow service members in need. He blogs at courageouscoward.blogspot.com.

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by: TedVothJr

06-02-2009 @ 12:12am

"It is a horrific practice that I hope President Obama will not carry over from the last administration."

He's staying the course, isn't he?

by: TedVothJr

06-02-2009 @ 12:16am

"I fear this administration will spend all of its time opening disheveled cupboards and closets left behind in the White House and cleaning them out."

They aren't even doing that, let alone correcting the policies of the Cheney administration; they're staying the course. The corporations rule.

Benito Mussolini once remarked, 'I'd really rather call it a "corporate state".' I'd say we're a 'soft fascism.'

by: mscynthia

06-02-2009 @ 1:27am

Another commentary that I found well worded on the Rumsfeld pontifications.

http://returngood.com/2009/05/19/militarized-ch...

Especially these comments.

1) I think this kind of thing is incredibly short-sighted and plays right into the radicalization narrative of folks like al-Qaida.

2) I get offended to some degree anytime anyone feels like they can treat sacred scripture like a compendium of ready-made slogans to be slapped onto any remotely applicable situation once stripped of context. The example above is a good illustration of this. The use to which the words are put and Paul's intent are miles apart. Both parties and folks of every ideological stripe do this, and no matter who does it, it's offensive and, I think, idolatrous.

3) Their use, I believe (and I may be wrong; it's just my impression), was intended to convey a sense of righteousness and holy endorsement for an exercise that cannot in any way be made to conform with the teachings and example of Christ. Soldiers can be sustained by whatever spirituality they want, but the fact that it is transcendent and comforting in no way identifies it as a Christian spirituality. There are plenty of spiritualities in the world that would bless the activity depicted in those slides, but the Way taught by Christ and his earliest disciples is not one of them.

by: Eric77

06-02-2009 @ 1:00pm

There is really no evidence that anyone high up in the Bush Administration viewed the Iraq War as a "holy" war. The article says that these cover sheets with Bible verses were the creation of a Major General Shaffer, a career Air Force Officer. He's not a member of the Bush Administration. I think Logan makes good points about war in general, but I think he's painting with too broad a brush when it comes to the specifics of this case.

There's no evidence that the people in the Bush Administration prosecuting the Iraq War saw it as a religious crusade in which Christians could attack Muslims.

by: TedVothJr

06-02-2009 @ 12:12am

"It is a horrific practice that I hope President Obama will not carry over from the last administration."

He's staying the course, isn't he?

by: TedVothJr

06-02-2009 @ 12:16am

"I fear this administration will spend all of its time opening disheveled cupboards and closets left behind in the White House and cleaning them out."

They aren't even doing that, let alone correcting the policies of the Cheney administration; they're staying the course. The corporations rule.

Benito Mussolini once remarked, 'I'd really rather call it a "corporate state".' I'd say we're a 'soft fascism.'

by: mscynthia

06-02-2009 @ 1:27am

Another commentary that I found well worded on the Rumsfeld pontifications.

http://returngood.com/2009/05/19/militarized-ch...

Especially these comments.

1) I think this kind of thing is incredibly short-sighted and plays right into the radicalization narrative of folks like al-Qaida.

2) I get offended to some degree anytime anyone feels like they can treat sacred scripture like a compendium of ready-made slogans to be slapped onto any remotely applicable situation once stripped of context. The example above is a good illustration of this. The use to which the words are put and Paul's intent are miles apart. Both parties and folks of every ideological stripe do this, and no matter who does it, it's offensive and, I think, idolatrous.

3) Their use, I believe (and I may be wrong; it's just my impression), was intended to convey a sense of righteousness and holy endorsement for an exercise that cannot in any way be made to conform with the teachings and example of Christ. Soldiers can be sustained by whatever spirituality they want, but the fact that it is transcendent and comforting in no way identifies it as a Christian spirituality. There are plenty of spiritualities in the world that would bless the activity depicted in those slides, but the Way taught by Christ and his earliest disciples is not one of them.

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There is really no evidence that anyone high up in the Bush Administration viewed the Iraq War as a "holy" war. The article says that these cover sheets with Bible verses were the creation of a Major General Shaffer, a career Air Force Officer. He's not a member of the Bush Administration. I think Logan makes good points about war in general, but I think he's painting with too broad a brush when it comes to the specifics of this case.

There's no evidence that the people in the Bush Administration prosecuting the Iraq War saw it as a religious crusade in which Christians could attack Muslims.

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There might be a possibility that President Bush did not view the invasion of Iraq as a holy war.

I prefer to focus on the realities and responsibilities on our plate--agreeing with Logan on his call to our attention of ongoing deadly conflict in Iraq.

I am very hesitant to be drawn into the 'after game analysis' . In this case it seems all the back-up quarterbacks (and their respective supporters and detractors) are busy directing all responsibility and fault for all negative things in other directions. Did Cheney and Rumsfield run Bush? Did he allow them to bounce around thinking they ran the place? Was Bush above the fray or out-to-lunch?

He was the responsible man. Interestingly, he seems at peace with the responsibility. I suggest we keep the responsibility there. I find in Obama--also, a willingness to let responsibility rest with him.

I wonder if the sheer magnitude of responsibility and criticism presidents receive draw them quickly to a certain place of peace. They must either acknowledge there is no way they can shoulder the responsibility and move to a place of peace--or become tormented souls.

Mr Bush created the 'space' in which the photos/scriptures could be brought forward. They could have meant the world to him--and he believed in some kind of holy war. They could have meant nothing more to him than the watermark on the paper. They were a handful or pieces of paper on his desk.

He issued the orders to invade. This is the reality and responsibility on all our plates, in my mind. If we occupy our energies on what a bunch of egos in the white house thought of each other (e.g.criticism of Rumsfield in the article cited in post), we will never fulfill our responsibility to deal with this ongoing violent conflict Logan calls our attention back to.

by: mscynthia

05-30-2009 @ 6:29am

Wait a minute:

Do you mean to say that this kind of Biblical nonsense was printed on official government Documents and disseminated to our officials? That no body not even the President suggested that it would be in better taste for Rumsfield to at least use his own personal stationary for his sacred convictions?

As apposed to using documents that the rest of us are paying for with our taxes !!!

Its one thing for us to realize that these individuals had this kind of religious gobledigook between the ears. But it is quite another thing for them to think that the rest of us would like to be reminded of it every time we go back and look at our official government archives.

I would like to see little Donny do some community service for making a mockery of my Bible and my Government while he was playing Secretary.

!!!! Sorry Logan. I just had to take a minute to get that off my chest !!

Once again a great piece of carefully considered arguments and a reminder that we still haven't seen the end of the mess. I fear this administration will spend all of its time opening disheveled cupboards and closets left behind in the White House and cleaning them out.

I am also fearful that this president will be mislead in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We are about to send our sons and daughters into the land of Opium wars. Makes the war fought in South Asia look like a mere dress rehearsal. We will truly need all the grace and wisdom we can find in our hearts to bring them back home again.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/

It would be so much more cost effective to feed and educate all of the children in the slums and the highlands.

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05-31-2009 @ 2:34am

Logan,

I appreciate your response to my article. I agree with you that an overemphasis on the past can cause us to lose perspective, especially when it comes to the fact that soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are still facing extreme hardships and dangers. Definitely those of us in the peace camp need to offer our love and support for them upon their return home. One of the most difficult aspects of pursuing the path of a peace maker (and I'll admit, I'm a bit green when it comes to this) is how do we articulate our thoughts in such a way that challenges the legitimacy of militarism without denigrating soldiers that put their lives on the line every day doing what they believe is right. For this reason, I greatly appreciate the work that you are doing.

I also agree there is no such thing as a "holy war" if you mean that no war today could be deemed a "holy war" even if the war is a "just cause." True holy wars, as far as Scripture is concerned, are exclusive to the Old Testament era. The distinction between a holy war and a just war is duly noted.

Continuing to grow in grace,

Aaron

by: letjusticerolldown

05-29-2009 @ 8:03pm

There might be a possibility that President Bush did not view the invasion of Iraq as a holy war.

I prefer to focus on the realities and responsibilities on our plate--agreeing with Logan on his call to our attention of ongoing deadly conflict in Iraq.

I am very hesitant to be drawn into the 'after game analysis' . In this case it seems all the back-up quarterbacks (and their respective supporters and detractors) are busy directing all responsibility and fault for all negative things in other directions. Did Cheney and Rumsfield run Bush? Did he allow them to bounce around thinking they ran the place? Was Bush above the fray or out-to-lunch?

He was the responsible man. Interestingly, he seems at peace with the responsibility. I suggest we keep the responsibility there. I find in Obama--also, a willingness to let responsibility rest with him.

I wonder if the sheer magnitude of responsibility and criticism presidents receive draw them quickly to a certain place of peace. They must either acknowledge there is no way they can shoulder the responsibility and move to a place of peace--or become tormented souls.

Mr Bush created the 'space' in which the photos/scriptures could be brought forward. They could have meant the world to him--and he believed in some kind of holy war. They could have meant nothing more to him than the watermark on the paper. They were a handful or pieces of paper on his desk.

He issued the orders to invade. This is the reality and responsibility on all our plates, in my mind. If we occupy our energies on what a bunch of egos in the white house thought of each other (e.g.criticism of Rumsfield in the article cited in post), we will never fulfill our responsibility to deal with this ongoing violent conflict Logan calls our attention back to.

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I'll give Logan credit for continuing to be critical of the war. It seems most critics have fallen silent, even after the mostly costly month in American military lives since September of '08. Though the critique wasn't focused on our current president who continues the policies of the previous administration.

But straining Rumsfeld's use of scripture in briefings to the president as a springboard to write an article about "Holy War" I believe
shows a lack of honesty.

by: mscynthia

05-30-2009 @ 6:29am

Wait a minute:

Do you mean to say that this kind of Biblical nonsense was printed on official government Documents and disseminated to our officials? That no body not even the President suggested that it would be in better taste for Rumsfield to at least use his own personal stationary for his sacred convictions?

As apposed to using documents that the rest of us are paying for with our taxes !!!

Its one thing for us to realize that these individuals had this kind of religious gobledigook between the ears. But it is quite another thing for them to think that the rest of us would like to be reminded of it every time we go back and look at our official government archives.

I would like to see little Donny do some community service for making a mockery of my Bible and my Government while he was playing Secretary.

!!!! Sorry Logan. I just had to take a minute to get that off my chest !!

Once again a great piece of carefully considered arguments and a reminder that we still haven't seen the end of the mess. I fear this administration will spend all of its time opening disheveled cupboards and closets left behind in the White House and cleaning them out.

I am also fearful that this president will be mislead in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We are about to send our sons and daughters into the land of Opium wars. Makes the war fought in South Asia look like a mere dress rehearsal. We will truly need all the grace and wisdom we can find in our hearts to bring them back home again.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/

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Logan,

I appreciate your response to my article. I agree with you that an overemphasis on the past can cause us to lose perspective, especially when it comes to the fact that soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are still facing extreme hardships and dangers. Definitely those of us in the peace camp need to offer our love and support for them upon their return home. One of the most difficult aspects of pursuing the path of a peace maker (and I'll admit, I'm a bit green when it comes to this) is how do we articulate our thoughts in such a way that challenges the legitimacy of militarism without denigrating soldiers that put their lives on the line every day doing what they believe is right. For this reason, I greatly appreciate the work that you are doing.

I also agree there is no such thing as a "holy war" if you mean that no war today could be deemed a "holy war" even if the war is a "just cause." True holy wars, as far as Scripture is concerned, are exclusive to the Old Testament era. The distinction between a holy war and a just war is duly noted.

Continuing to grow in grace,

Aaron

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by: jeffp

06-01-2009 @ 12:57pm

I'll give Logan credit for continuing to be critical of the war. It seems most critics have fallen silent, even after the mostly costly month in American military lives since September of '08. Though the critique wasn't focused on our current president who continues the policies of the previous administration.

But straining Rumsfeld's use of scripture in briefings to the president as a springboard to write an article about "Holy War" I believe
shows a lack of honesty.

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by: letjusticerolldown

05-29-2009 @ 8:03pm

There might be a possibility that President Bush did not view the invasion of Iraq as a holy war.

I prefer to focus on the realities and responsibilities on our plate--agreeing with Logan on his call to our attention of ongoing deadly conflict in Iraq.

I am very hesitant to be drawn into the 'after game analysis' . In this case it seems all the back-up quarterbacks (and their respective supporters and detractors) are busy directing all responsibility and fault for all negative things in other directions. Did Cheney and Rumsfield run Bush? Did he allow them to bounce around thinking they ran the place? Was Bush above the fray or out-to-lunch?

He was the responsible man. Interestingly, he seems at peace with the responsibility. I suggest we keep the responsibility there. I find in Obama--also, a willingness to let responsibility rest with him.

I wonder if the sheer magnitude of responsibility and criticism presidents receive draw them quickly to a certain place of peace. They must either acknowledge there is no way they can shoulder the responsibility and move to a place of peace--or become tormented souls.

Mr Bush created the 'space' in which the photos/scriptures could be brought forward. They could have meant the world to him--and he believed in some kind of holy war. They could have meant nothing more to him than the watermark on the paper. They were a handful or pieces of paper on his desk.

He issued the orders to invade. This is the reality and responsibility on all our plates, in my mind. If we occupy our energies on what a bunch of egos in the white house thought of each other (e.g.criticism of Rumsfield in the article cited in post), we will never fulfill our responsibility to deal with this ongoing violent conflict Logan calls our attention back to.

by: letjusticerolldown

05-29-2009 @ 8:03pm

There might be a possibility that President Bush did not view the invasion of Iraq as a holy war.

I prefer to focus on the realities and responsibilities on our plate--agreeing with Logan on his call to our attention of ongoing deadly conflict in Iraq.

I am very hesitant to be drawn into the 'after game analysis' . In this case it seems all the back-up quarterbacks (and their respective supporters and detractors) are busy directing all responsibility and fault for all negative things in other directions. Did Cheney and Rumsfield run Bush? Did he allow them to bounce around thinking they ran the place? Was Bush above the fray or out-to-lunch?

He was the responsible man. Interestingly, he seems at peace with the responsibility. I suggest we keep the responsibility there. I find in Obama--also, a willingness to let responsibility rest with him.

I wonder if the sheer magnitude of responsibility and criticism presidents receive draw them quickly to a certain place of peace. They must either acknowledge there is no way they can shoulder the responsibility and move to a place of peace--or become tormented souls.

Mr Bush created the 'space' in which the photos/scriptures could be brought forward. They could have meant the world to him--and he believed in some kind of holy war. They could have meant nothing more to him than the watermark on the paper. They were a handful or pieces of paper on his desk.

He issued the orders to invade. This is the reality and responsibility on all our plates, in my mind. If we occupy our energies on what a bunch of egos in the white house thought of each other (e.g.criticism of Rumsfield in the article cited in post), we will never fulfill our responsibility to deal with this ongoing violent conflict Logan calls our attention back to.

by: mscynthia

05-30-2009 @ 6:29am

Wait a minute:

Do you mean to say that this kind of Biblical nonsense was printed on official government Documents and disseminated to our officials? That no body not even the President suggested that it would be in better taste for Rumsfield to at least use his own personal stationary for his sacred convictions?

As apposed to using documents that the rest of us are paying for with our taxes !!!

Its one thing for us to realize that these individuals had this kind of religious gobledigook between the ears. But it is quite another thing for them to think that the rest of us would like to be reminded of it every time we go back and look at our official government archives.

I would like to see little Donny do some community service for making a mockery of my Bible and my Government while he was playing Secretary.

!!!! Sorry Logan. I just had to take a minute to get that off my chest !!

Once again a great piece of carefully considered arguments and a reminder that we still haven't seen the end of the mess. I fear this administration will spend all of its time opening disheveled cupboards and closets left behind in the White House and cleaning them out.

I am also fearful that this president will be mislead in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We are about to send our sons and daughters into the land of Opium wars. Makes the war fought in South Asia look like a mere dress rehearsal. We will truly need all the grace and wisdom we can find in our hearts to bring them back home again.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/

It would be so much more cost effective to feed and educate all of the children in the slums and the highlands.

by: mscynthia

05-30-2009 @ 6:29am

Wait a minute:

Do you mean to say that this kind of Biblical nonsense was printed on official government Documents and disseminated to our officials? That no body not even the President suggested that it would be in better taste for Rumsfield to at least use his own personal stationary for his sacred convictions?

As apposed to using documents that the rest of us are paying for with our taxes !!!

Its one thing for us to realize that these individuals had this kind of religious gobledigook between the ears. But it is quite another thing for them to think that the rest of us would like to be reminded of it every time we go back and look at our official government archives.

I would like to see little Donny do some community service for making a mockery of my Bible and my Government while he was playing Secretary.

!!!! Sorry Logan. I just had to take a minute to get that off my chest !!

Once again a great piece of carefully considered arguments and a reminder that we still haven't seen the end of the mess. I fear this administration will spend all of its time opening disheveled cupboards and closets left behind in the White House and cleaning them out.

I am also fearful that this president will be mislead in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We are about to send our sons and daughters into the land of Opium wars. Makes the war fought in South Asia look like a mere dress rehearsal. We will truly need all the grace and wisdom we can find in our hearts to bring them back home again.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/

It would be so much more cost effective to feed and educate all of the children in the slums and the highlands.

by: aarondtaylor

05-31-2009 @ 2:34am

Logan,

I appreciate your response to my article. I agree with you that an overemphasis on the past can cause us to lose perspective, especially when it comes to the fact that soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are still facing extreme hardships and dangers. Definitely those of us in the peace camp need to offer our love and support for them upon their return home. One of the most difficult aspects of pursuing the path of a peace maker (and I'll admit, I'm a bit green when it comes to this) is how do we articulate our thoughts in such a way that challenges the legitimacy of militarism without denigrating soldiers that put their lives on the line every day doing what they believe is right. For this reason, I greatly appreciate the work that you are doing.

I also agree there is no such thing as a "holy war" if you mean that no war today could be deemed a "holy war" even if the war is a "just cause." True holy wars, as far as Scripture is concerned, are exclusive to the Old Testament era. The distinction between a holy war and a just war is duly noted.

Continuing to grow in grace,

Aaron

by: aarondtaylor

05-31-2009 @ 2:34am

Logan,

I appreciate your response to my article. I agree with you that an overemphasis on the past can cause us to lose perspective, especially when it comes to the fact that soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are still facing extreme hardships and dangers. Definitely those of us in the peace camp need to offer our love and support for them upon their return home. One of the most difficult aspects of pursuing the path of a peace maker (and I'll admit, I'm a bit green when it comes to this) is how do we articulate our thoughts in such a way that challenges the legitimacy of militarism without denigrating soldiers that put their lives on the line every day doing what they believe is right. For this reason, I greatly appreciate the work that you are doing.

I also agree there is no such thing as a "holy war" if you mean that no war today could be deemed a "holy war" even if the war is a "just cause." True holy wars, as far as Scripture is concerned, are exclusive to the Old Testament era. The distinction between a holy war and a just war is duly noted.

Continuing to grow in grace,

Aaron

by: jeffp

06-01-2009 @ 12:57pm

I'll give Logan credit for continuing to be critical of the war. It seems most critics have fallen silent, even after the mostly costly month in American military lives since September of '08. Though the critique wasn't focused on our current president who continues the policies of the previous administration.

But straining Rumsfeld's use of scripture in briefings to the president as a springboard to write an article about "Holy War" I believe
shows a lack of honesty.

by: jeffp

06-01-2009 @ 12:57pm

I'll give Logan credit for continuing to be critical of the war. It seems most critics have fallen silent, even after the mostly costly month in American military lives since September of '08. Though the critique wasn't focused on our current president who continues the policies of the previous administration.

But straining Rumsfeld's use of scripture in briefings to the president as a springboard to write an article about "Holy War" I believe
shows a lack of honesty.

by: TedVothJr

06-02-2009 @ 12:12am

"It is a horrific practice that I hope President Obama will not carry over from the last administration."

He's staying the course, isn't he?

by: TedVothJr

06-02-2009 @ 12:12am

"It is a horrific practice that I hope President Obama will not carry over from the last administration."

He's staying the course, isn't he?

by: TedVothJr

06-02-2009 @ 12:16am

"I fear this administration will spend all of its time opening disheveled cupboards and closets left behind in the White House and cleaning them out."

They aren't even doing that, let alone correcting the policies of the Cheney administration; they're staying the course. The corporations rule.

Benito Mussolini once remarked, 'I'd really rather call it a "corporate state".' I'd say we're a 'soft fascism.'

by: TedVothJr

06-02-2009 @ 12:16am

"I fear this administration will spend all of its time opening disheveled cupboards and closets left behind in the White House and cleaning them out."

They aren't even doing that, let alone correcting the policies of the Cheney administration; they're staying the course. The corporations rule.

Benito Mussolini once remarked, 'I'd really rather call it a "corporate state".' I'd say we're a 'soft fascism.'

by: mscynthia

06-02-2009 @ 1:27am

Another commentary that I found well worded on the Rumsfeld pontifications.

http://returngood.com/2009/05/19/militarized-ch...

Especially these comments.

1) I think this kind of thing is incredibly short-sighted and plays right into the radicalization narrative of folks like al-Qaida.

2) I get offended to some degree anytime anyone feels like they can treat sacred scripture like a compendium of ready-made slogans to be slapped onto any remotely applicable situation once stripped of context. The example above is a good illustration of this. The use to which the words are put and Paul's intent are miles apart. Both parties and folks of every ideological stripe do this, and no matter who does it, it's offensive and, I think, idolatrous.

3) Their use, I believe (and I may be wrong; it's just my impression), was intended to convey a sense of righteousness and holy endorsement for an exercise that cannot in any way be made to conform with the teachings and example of Christ. Soldiers can be sustained by whatever spirituality they want, but the fact that it is transcendent and comforting in no way identifies it as a Christian spirituality. There are plenty of spiritualities in the world that would bless the activity depicted in those slides, but the Way taught by Christ and his earliest disciples is not one of them.

by: mscynthia

06-02-2009 @ 1:27am

Another commentary that I found well worded on the Rumsfeld pontifications.

http://returngood.com/2009/05/19/militarized-ch...

Especially these comments.

1) I think this kind of thing is incredibly short-sighted and plays right into the radicalization narrative of folks like al-Qaida.

2) I get offended to some degree anytime anyone feels like they can treat sacred scripture like a compendium of ready-made slogans to be slapped onto any remotely applicable situation once stripped of context. The example above is a good illustration of this. The use to which the words are put and Paul's intent are miles apart. Both parties and folks of every ideological stripe do this, and no matter who does it, it's offensive and, I think, idolatrous.

3) Their use, I believe (and I may be wrong; it's just my impression), was intended to convey a sense of righteousness and holy endorsement for an exercise that cannot in any way be made to conform with the teachings and example of Christ. Soldiers can be sustained by whatever spirituality they want, but the fact that it is transcendent and comforting in no way identifies it as a Christian spirituality. There are plenty of spiritualities in the world that would bless the activity depicted in those slides, but the Way taught by Christ and his earliest disciples is not one of them.

by: Eric77

06-02-2009 @ 1:00pm

There is really no evidence that anyone high up in the Bush Administration viewed the Iraq War as a "holy" war. The article says that these cover sheets with Bible verses were the creation of a Major General Shaffer, a career Air Force Officer. He's not a member of the Bush Administration. I think Logan makes good points about war in general, but I think he's painting with too broad a brush when it comes to the specifics of this case.

There's no evidence that the people in the Bush Administration prosecuting the Iraq War saw it as a religious crusade in which Christians could attack Muslims.

by: Eric77

06-02-2009 @ 1:00pm

There is really no evidence that anyone high up in the Bush Administration viewed the Iraq War as a "holy" war. The article says that these cover sheets with Bible verses were the creation of a Major General Shaffer, a career Air Force Officer. He's not a member of the Bush Administration. I think Logan makes good points about war in general, but I think he's painting with too broad a brush when it comes to the specifics of this case.

There's no evidence that the people in the Bush Administration prosecuting the Iraq War saw it as a religious crusade in which Christians could attack Muslims.

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