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To Hell with Human Trafficking. There, I Said It.

Is it possible that we as Christians just aren't angry enough about injustices like human trafficking and slavery? Perhaps we've grown too desensitized, domesticated, and docile. I'm not trying to say this for the sake of the 'shock factor' -- I really believe there are times when the church needs to have a deep[er] anger about the grave injustices of the world, particularly when it involves the exploitation of children. Have we deduced our faith to convenient and self-serving pleasantries?

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Because we are informed and transformed by Christ, I wonder if we just need to say:

To Hell with [insert injustice here]. Enough is enough.

What else can you say when many sources cite as high as 27 million slaves around the world? In the sex trade industry, 80 percent are women and over half are minors (aka: children and teenagers) some younger than my three kids who are 10, 8, and even 6.

I guess Cornel West has a more eloquent way of saying the above:

Indifference to injustice is more insidious than the injustice itself.

Our church community is trying to do our small part. We are compelled to do more, but perhaps it begins with this 'deep anger' over the things that anger and grieve the heart of God. We hosted a film screening of Call+Response and gave the proceeds to Break the Chains/IJM. I found out today that this initiative through our denomination has already raised $332,000. We then screened a Korean film, Crossing, highlighting the situation in North Korea and raised more funds. We had a great turnout for the film and KAC media came by for a quick report and interview:

The Crossing - Movie Screening from Joseph Jang on Vimeo.

Human trafficking and its numerous painful layers are also taking place in North Korea. Check out this brutal article from Crosswalk, "North Korean Bride Trafficking: When Escape Becomes Bondage":

The translator could never capture the experience behind Young-Ae Kim's emotional words, but he tried.

"She was raised with the idea that you have one lasting marriage

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by: WaveTossed

06-06-2009 @ 9:44pm

" This could be said also of people who hold the view closer to mine (I think we should start by enforcing the laws we have, then make fixes from there)."

I beg to disagree with you. Many libertarians believe that we need to fix the system. In that way, you will have a lot less "illegals" coming in because then most of the immigrants will be able to come here legally. Then this problem won't be nearly the problem that it is. And actually, it's not an "illegal immigrant" problem, it is a problem of too many people (from all sorts of political spectrums) who are xenophobic.

"This is a topic that many on this sight have chosen not to engage because of accusations of racism."

Yes, I've noticed that. However, when I've been on other forums discussing this topic, sooner or later the anti-Mexican racism begins to emerge. However anti-Mexican prejudice (unlike anti-Gay prejudice) is not "politically correct" among most of the people who post here. So they simply avoid this topic of exploitation and human trafficking that is occuring right here in the U.S.

by: ando

06-03-2009 @ 3:42pm

Perhaps if we had public financing of elections, politicians would raise less money, and all those people who donated to Obama's - and McClain's -- election could send $50 toward one of the aforementioned groups. But now that Obama is elected maybe he would be the one to initiate an effort on behalf of modern day slaves. Or Michelle.

by: Eric77

06-03-2009 @ 5:16pm

The lack of public financing of American political campaigns is not preventing people from giving money to just causes such as those that work to eliminate slavery. It's about priorities. People <i<choose political donations over other donations. Imagine if every American gave up the money they spend every year on bottled water (something that's available for free in just about every location in the country) and gave it to a worthy cause...

Thanks to Eugene for raising awareness of this issue. It's something that all Christians should be concerned about. Unfortunately (or fortunately) most of us are so far removed from the realities of slavery that it doesn't cross our conscientiousness enough.

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2009 @ 6:37pm

There is human trafficking being done right here in the US. I'm talking about companies (and people) who traffick in the labor of so-called "illegal" immigrants. On one hand, companies and people exloit those who are desperate to feed their families by offering them jobs at less-than-minimum wage with no benefits, no protection, no Social Security. These workers cannot complain because o the fears of being deported.

And then we get the anti-immigrant people who lodlyly complain about "illegals" coming here, "breaking hte law" and "taking our jobs" which very few Americans will perform -- especially at the wages which these employers offer. Some of the arguments I've read and heard against "illegal immigration" border on the recist: i.e. "they only want welfare," "they are taking over our 'pristine' American culture," "they don't want to learn English." And the usual, "they are lazy and dirty." I've heard it all. There was a recent hate crime I've read about where a Hispanic was beaten and murdered just for being Histpanic; tthe murderers surmised that he was an "illegal" but they didn't really care -- he was a "Mexican" and that's all they cared about.

In this sort of atmosphere, our country can never get decent immigration reform. You have the employers who like just the way that it is -- so they can continue to exploit with impunityh. And we have the anti-"illegal" people continuing to blame the citims for this traavesty of human traficking.

by: nuclearferret

06-03-2009 @ 6:51pm

Seriously? You spend more time blaming persons who opposed ILLEGAL immigration for human trafficking done by coyotes and employers?

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2009 @ 7:47pm

I blame the entire range of people involved: the employers who exploit immigrants who are "illegal" and the people who would rather blame the victims of this form of human trafficking for political/racial purposes. Because of all of the anti-immigrant backlash, we set up a system where employers can easily take advantage of people desperate to support their familes.

It's much easier to express support for victims of human trafficking who are in far-away lands. It's more difficult to express support for victims who are in our own front yard.

by: xfree9

06-03-2009 @ 8:51pm

When we stop looking at persons as individuals created in the image of God, we stop seeing the injustices that face certain persons throughout the world. We see "those people" (not derogatory) as "over there," and "our people" as "here," and so it's difficult to personally see the personal value in a single individual that's "over there."

I've been to developing countries, most recently Cambodia. The human trafficking that was evident and rampant made me sick. It "hits home," so to speak, when we come face to face with such things. Unfortunately, most of us are not face to face with these things on a daily basis.

I agree with WaveTossed that we should be very concerned with the injustices that are going on here in the United States, particularly with regards to illegal immigration. There is much injustice going on because of the legal framework which permits (sometimes encourages) many employers to commit illegal but profitable acts with regards to hiring people. Ironically, such "illegal acts" were made voluntarily by the immigrants who crossed the border and sought "better work."

by: ando

06-03-2009 @ 3:42pm

Perhaps if we had public financing of elections, politicians would raise less money, and all those people who donated to Obama's - and McClain's -- election could send $50 toward one of the aforementioned groups. But now that Obama is elected maybe he would be the one to initiate an effort on behalf of modern day slaves. Or Michelle.

by: WaveTossed

06-04-2009 @ 9:59am

As far as immigration, "illegal" or not: read what the Cato Institute has to say on the subject.

http://www.freetrade.org/node/333

by: Eric77

06-03-2009 @ 5:16pm

The lack of public financing of American political campaigns is not preventing people from giving money to just causes such as those that work to eliminate slavery. It's about priorities. People <i<choose political donations over other donations. Imagine if every American gave up the money they spend every year on bottled water (something that's available for free in just about every location in the country) and gave it to a worthy cause...

Thanks to Eugene for raising awareness of this issue. It's something that all Christians should be concerned about. Unfortunately (or fortunately) most of us are so far removed from the realities of slavery that it doesn't cross our conscientiousness enough.

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2009 @ 6:37pm

There is human trafficking being done right here in the US. I'm talking about companies (and people) who traffick in the labor of so-called "illegal" immigrants. On one hand, companies and people exloit those who are desperate to feed their families by offering them jobs at less-than-minimum wage with no benefits, no protection, no Social Security. These workers cannot complain because o the fears of being deported.

And then we get the anti-immigrant people who lodlyly complain about "illegals" coming here, "breaking hte law" and "taking our jobs" which very few Americans will perform -- especially at the wages which these employers offer. Some of the arguments I've read and heard against "illegal immigration" border on the recist: i.e. "they only want welfare," "they are taking over our 'pristine' American culture," "they don't want to learn English." And the usual, "they are lazy and dirty." I've heard it all. There was a recent hate crime I've read about where a Hispanic was beaten and murdered just for being Histpanic; tthe murderers surmised that he was an "illegal" but they didn't really care -- he was a "Mexican" and that's all they cared about.

In this sort of atmosphere, our country can never get decent immigration reform. You have the employers who like just the way that it is -- so they can continue to exploit with impunityh. And we have the anti-"illegal" people continuing to blame the citims for this traavesty of human traficking.

by: nuclearferret

06-03-2009 @ 6:51pm

Seriously? You spend more time blaming persons who opposed ILLEGAL immigration for human trafficking done by coyotes and employers?

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2009 @ 7:47pm

I blame the entire range of people involved: the employers who exploit immigrants who are "illegal" and the people who would rather blame the victims of this form of human trafficking for political/racial purposes. Because of all of the anti-immigrant backlash, we set up a system where employers can easily take advantage of people desperate to support their familes.

It's much easier to express support for victims of human trafficking who are in far-away lands. It's more difficult to express support for victims who are in our own front yard.

by: xfree9

06-03-2009 @ 8:51pm

When we stop looking at persons as individuals created in the image of God, we stop seeing the injustices that face certain persons throughout the world. We see "those people" (not derogatory) as "over there," and "our people" as "here," and so it's difficult to personally see the personal value in a single individual that's "over there."

I've been to developing countries, most recently Cambodia. The human trafficking that was evident and rampant made me sick. It "hits home," so to speak, when we come face to face with such things. Unfortunately, most of us are not face to face with these things on a daily basis.

I agree with WaveTossed that we should be very concerned with the injustices that are going on here in the United States, particularly with regards to illegal immigration. There is much injustice going on because of the legal framework which permits (sometimes encourages) many employers to commit illegal but profitable acts with regards to hiring people. Ironically, such "illegal acts" were made voluntarily by the immigrants who crossed the border and sought "better work."

by: jeffp

06-05-2009 @ 11:27am

Great point. We've seen slave labor brothels right here in Minnesota. The young ladies are been illegal immigrants who are intimidated and forced into prostitution. When one such brothel was busted the "progressive community" was more concerned with the fact that ICE and the local police were both called in. Not much concern voiced for these young women who were serving 50 men a day and sometimes more.

by: WaveTossed

06-04-2009 @ 9:59am

As far as immigration, "illegal" or not: read what the Cato Institute has to say on the subject.

http://www.freetrade.org/node/333

by: panatti

06-05-2009 @ 12:32pm

Hi Everyone!
I'd like to share that the women of our denomination - American Baptist Women's Ministries - pledged to raise $250,000 two years ago for grants to "start-up" ministries that work with women and girls involved in the sex trafficking industry. To day we've raised over $319,000 and counting! Our project is also call "Break the Chains: Slavery in the 21st Century". We've given 12 grants so far - 6 to ministries in the US and 6 to global ministries. We plan to give 6 more this year - 3 and 3. God is moving. God cares about all people. Everyone - please keep up the good work!

by: WaveTossed

06-05-2009 @ 2:57pm

Unfortunately, I have found out that there is still some anti-immigrant feeling among so-called "progressives." I remember advocating for immigration reform in another forum. I was attacked for "supporting law-breakers" and "illegals" both from those who considered themselves "liberal" as well as those who considered themselves "conservatives." The strong support I've seen for true immigration reform comes from libertarians.

by: jeffp

06-05-2009 @ 11:27am

Great point. We've seen slave labor brothels right here in Minnesota. The young ladies are been illegal immigrants who are intimidated and forced into prostitution. When one such brothel was busted the "progressive community" was more concerned with the fact that ICE and the local police were both called in. Not much concern voiced for these young women who were serving 50 men a day and sometimes more.

by: panatti

06-05-2009 @ 12:32pm

Hi Everyone!
I'd like to share that the women of our denomination - American Baptist Women's Ministries - pledged to raise $250,000 two years ago for grants to "start-up" ministries that work with women and girls involved in the sex trafficking industry. To day we've raised over $319,000 and counting! Our project is also call "Break the Chains: Slavery in the 21st Century". We've given 12 grants so far - 6 to ministries in the US and 6 to global ministries. We plan to give 6 more this year - 3 and 3. God is moving. God cares about all people. Everyone - please keep up the good work!

by: WaveTossed

06-05-2009 @ 2:57pm

Unfortunately, I have found out that there is still some anti-immigrant feeling among so-called "progressives." I remember advocating for immigration reform in another forum. I was attacked for "supporting law-breakers" and "illegals" both from those who considered themselves "liberal" as well as those who considered themselves "conservatives." The strong support I've seen for true immigration reform comes from libertarians.

by: jeffp

06-06-2009 @ 3:30pm

The brothel case in Minneapolis showed me that the progressives here were more concerned about the Issue than the people. This could be said also of people who hold the view closer to mine (I think we should start by enforcing the laws we have, then make fixes from there).

This is a topic that many on this sight have chosen not to engage because of accusations of racism.

by: WaveTossed

06-06-2009 @ 7:44pm

" This could be said also of people who hold the view closer to mine (I think we should start by enforcing the laws we have, then make fixes from there)."

I beg to disagree with you. Many libertarians believe that we need to fix the system. In that way, you will have a lot less "illegals" coming in because then most of the immigrants will be able to come here legally. Then this problem won't be nearly the problem that it is. And actually, it's not an "illegal immigrant" problem, it is a problem of too many people (from all sorts of political spectrums) who are xenophobic.

"This is a topic that many on this sight have chosen not to engage because of accusations of racism."

Yes, I've noticed that. However, when I've been on other forums discussing this topic, sooner or later the anti-Mexican racism begins to emerge. However anti-Mexican prejudice (unlike anti-Gay prejudice) is not "politically correct" among most of the people who post here. So they simply avoid this topic of exploitation and human trafficking that is occuring right here in the U.S.

by: WaveTossed

06-06-2009 @ 9:44pm

" This could be said also of people who hold the view closer to mine (I think we should start by enforcing the laws we have, then make fixes from there)."

I beg to disagree with you. Many libertarians believe that we need to fix the system. In that way, you will have a lot less "illegals" coming in because then most of the immigrants will be able to come here legally. Then this problem won't be nearly the problem that it is. And actually, it's not an "illegal immigrant" problem, it is a problem of too many people (from all sorts of political spectrums) who are xenophobic.

"This is a topic that many on this sight have chosen not to engage because of accusations of racism."

Yes, I've noticed that. However, when I've been on other forums discussing this topic, sooner or later the anti-Mexican racism begins to emerge. However anti-Mexican prejudice (unlike anti-Gay prejudice) is not "politically correct" among most of the people who post here. So they simply avoid this topic of exploitation and human trafficking that is occuring right here in the U.S.

by: jeffp

06-06-2009 @ 3:30pm

The brothel case in Minneapolis showed me that the progressives here were more concerned about the Issue than the people. This could be said also of people who hold the view closer to mine (I think we should start by enforcing the laws we have, then make fixes from there).

This is a topic that many on this sight have chosen not to engage because of accusations of racism.

by: WaveTossed

06-06-2009 @ 7:44pm

" This could be said also of people who hold the view closer to mine (I think we should start by enforcing the laws we have, then make fixes from there)."

I beg to disagree with you. Many libertarians believe that we need to fix the system. In that way, you will have a lot less "illegals" coming in because then most of the immigrants will be able to come here legally. Then this problem won't be nearly the problem that it is. And actually, it's not an "illegal immigrant" problem, it is a problem of too many people (from all sorts of political spectrums) who are xenophobic.

"This is a topic that many on this sight have chosen not to engage because of accusations of racism."

Yes, I've noticed that. However, when I've been on other forums discussing this topic, sooner or later the anti-Mexican racism begins to emerge. However anti-Mexican prejudice (unlike anti-Gay prejudice) is not "politically correct" among most of the people who post here. So they simply avoid this topic of exploitation and human trafficking that is occuring right here in the U.S.

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by: ando

06-03-2009 @ 3:42pm

Perhaps if we had public financing of elections, politicians would raise less money, and all those people who donated to Obama's - and McClain's -- election could send $50 toward one of the aforementioned groups. But now that Obama is elected maybe he would be the one to initiate an effort on behalf of modern day slaves. Or Michelle.

by: ando

06-03-2009 @ 3:42pm

Perhaps if we had public financing of elections, politicians would raise less money, and all those people who donated to Obama's - and McClain's -- election could send $50 toward one of the aforementioned groups. But now that Obama is elected maybe he would be the one to initiate an effort on behalf of modern day slaves. Or Michelle.

by: Eric77

06-03-2009 @ 5:16pm

The lack of public financing of American political campaigns is not preventing people from giving money to just causes such as those that work to eliminate slavery. It's about priorities. People <i<choose political donations over other donations. Imagine if every American gave up the money they spend every year on bottled water (something that's available for free in just about every location in the country) and gave it to a worthy cause...

Thanks to Eugene for raising awareness of this issue. It's something that all Christians should be concerned about. Unfortunately (or fortunately) most of us are so far removed from the realities of slavery that it doesn't cross our conscientiousness enough.

by: Eric77

06-03-2009 @ 5:16pm

The lack of public financing of American political campaigns is not preventing people from giving money to just causes such as those that work to eliminate slavery. It's about priorities. People <i<choose political donations over other donations. Imagine if every American gave up the money they spend every year on bottled water (something that's available for free in just about every location in the country) and gave it to a worthy cause...

Thanks to Eugene for raising awareness of this issue. It's something that all Christians should be concerned about. Unfortunately (or fortunately) most of us are so far removed from the realities of slavery that it doesn't cross our conscientiousness enough.

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2009 @ 6:37pm

There is human trafficking being done right here in the US. I'm talking about companies (and people) who traffick in the labor of so-called "illegal" immigrants. On one hand, companies and people exloit those who are desperate to feed their families by offering them jobs at less-than-minimum wage with no benefits, no protection, no Social Security. These workers cannot complain because o the fears of being deported.

And then we get the anti-immigrant people who lodlyly complain about "illegals" coming here, "breaking hte law" and "taking our jobs" which very few Americans will perform -- especially at the wages which these employers offer. Some of the arguments I've read and heard against "illegal immigration" border on the recist: i.e. "they only want welfare," "they are taking over our 'pristine' American culture," "they don't want to learn English." And the usual, "they are lazy and dirty." I've heard it all. There was a recent hate crime I've read about where a Hispanic was beaten and murdered just for being Histpanic; tthe murderers surmised that he was an "illegal" but they didn't really care -- he was a "Mexican" and that's all they cared about.

In this sort of atmosphere, our country can never get decent immigration reform. You have the employers who like just the way that it is -- so they can continue to exploit with impunityh. And we have the anti-"illegal" people continuing to blame the citims for this traavesty of human traficking.

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2009 @ 6:37pm

There is human trafficking being done right here in the US. I'm talking about companies (and people) who traffick in the labor of so-called "illegal" immigrants. On one hand, companies and people exloit those who are desperate to feed their families by offering them jobs at less-than-minimum wage with no benefits, no protection, no Social Security. These workers cannot complain because o the fears of being deported.

And then we get the anti-immigrant people who lodlyly complain about "illegals" coming here, "breaking hte law" and "taking our jobs" which very few Americans will perform -- especially at the wages which these employers offer. Some of the arguments I've read and heard against "illegal immigration" border on the recist: i.e. "they only want welfare," "they are taking over our 'pristine' American culture," "they don't want to learn English." And the usual, "they are lazy and dirty." I've heard it all. There was a recent hate crime I've read about where a Hispanic was beaten and murdered just for being Histpanic; tthe murderers surmised that he was an "illegal" but they didn't really care -- he was a "Mexican" and that's all they cared about.

In this sort of atmosphere, our country can never get decent immigration reform. You have the employers who like just the way that it is -- so they can continue to exploit with impunityh. And we have the anti-"illegal" people continuing to blame the citims for this traavesty of human traficking.

by: nuclearferret

06-03-2009 @ 6:51pm

Seriously? You spend more time blaming persons who opposed ILLEGAL immigration for human trafficking done by coyotes and employers?

by: nuclearferret

06-03-2009 @ 6:51pm

Seriously? You spend more time blaming persons who opposed ILLEGAL immigration for human trafficking done by coyotes and employers?

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2009 @ 7:47pm

I blame the entire range of people involved: the employers who exploit immigrants who are "illegal" and the people who would rather blame the victims of this form of human trafficking for political/racial purposes. Because of all of the anti-immigrant backlash, we set up a system where employers can easily take advantage of people desperate to support their familes.

It's much easier to express support for victims of human trafficking who are in far-away lands. It's more difficult to express support for victims who are in our own front yard.

by: WaveTossed

06-03-2009 @ 7:47pm

I blame the entire range of people involved: the employers who exploit immigrants who are "illegal" and the people who would rather blame the victims of this form of human trafficking for political/racial purposes. Because of all of the anti-immigrant backlash, we set up a system where employers can easily take advantage of people desperate to support their familes.

It's much easier to express support for victims of human trafficking who are in far-away lands. It's more difficult to express support for victims who are in our own front yard.

by: xfree9

06-03-2009 @ 8:51pm

When we stop looking at persons as individuals created in the image of God, we stop seeing the injustices that face certain persons throughout the world. We see "those people" (not derogatory) as "over there," and "our people" as "here," and so it's difficult to personally see the personal value in a single individual that's "over there."

I've been to developing countries, most recently Cambodia. The human trafficking that was evident and rampant made me sick. It "hits home," so to speak, when we come face to face with such things. Unfortunately, most of us are not face to face with these things on a daily basis.

I agree with WaveTossed that we should be very concerned with the injustices that are going on here in the United States, particularly with regards to illegal immigration. There is much injustice going on because of the legal framework which permits (sometimes encourages) many employers to commit illegal but profitable acts with regards to hiring people. Ironically, such "illegal acts" were made voluntarily by the immigrants who crossed the border and sought "better work."

by: xfree9

06-03-2009 @ 8:51pm

When we stop looking at persons as individuals created in the image of God, we stop seeing the injustices that face certain persons throughout the world. We see "those people" (not derogatory) as "over there," and "our people" as "here," and so it's difficult to personally see the personal value in a single individual that's "over there."

I've been to developing countries, most recently Cambodia. The human trafficking that was evident and rampant made me sick. It "hits home," so to speak, when we come face to face with such things. Unfortunately, most of us are not face to face with these things on a daily basis.

I agree with WaveTossed that we should be very concerned with the injustices that are going on here in the United States, particularly with regards to illegal immigration. There is much injustice going on because of the legal framework which permits (sometimes encourages) many employers to commit illegal but profitable acts with regards to hiring people. Ironically, such "illegal acts" were made voluntarily by the immigrants who crossed the border and sought "better work."

by: WaveTossed

06-04-2009 @ 9:59am

As far as immigration, "illegal" or not: read what the Cato Institute has to say on the subject.

http://www.freetrade.org/node/333

by: WaveTossed

06-04-2009 @ 9:59am

As far as immigration, "illegal" or not: read what the Cato Institute has to say on the subject.

http://www.freetrade.org/node/333

by: jeffp

06-05-2009 @ 11:27am

Great point. We've seen slave labor brothels right here in Minnesota. The young ladies are been illegal immigrants who are intimidated and forced into prostitution. When one such brothel was busted the "progressive community" was more concerned with the fact that ICE and the local police were both called in. Not much concern voiced for these young women who were serving 50 men a day and sometimes more.

by: jeffp

06-05-2009 @ 11:27am

Great point. We've seen slave labor brothels right here in Minnesota. The young ladies are been illegal immigrants who are intimidated and forced into prostitution. When one such brothel was busted the "progressive community" was more concerned with the fact that ICE and the local police were both called in. Not much concern voiced for these young women who were serving 50 men a day and sometimes more.

by: panatti

06-05-2009 @ 12:32pm

Hi Everyone!
I'd like to share that the women of our denomination - American Baptist Women's Ministries - pledged to raise $250,000 two years ago for grants to "start-up" ministries that work with women and girls involved in the sex trafficking industry. To day we've raised over $319,000 and counting! Our project is also call "Break the Chains: Slavery in the 21st Century". We've given 12 grants so far - 6 to ministries in the US and 6 to global ministries. We plan to give 6 more this year - 3 and 3. God is moving. God cares about all people. Everyone - please keep up the good work!

by: panatti

06-05-2009 @ 12:32pm

Hi Everyone!
I'd like to share that the women of our denomination - American Baptist Women's Ministries - pledged to raise $250,000 two years ago for grants to "start-up" ministries that work with women and girls involved in the sex trafficking industry. To day we've raised over $319,000 and counting! Our project is also call "Break the Chains: Slavery in the 21st Century". We've given 12 grants so far - 6 to ministries in the US and 6 to global ministries. We plan to give 6 more this year - 3 and 3. God is moving. God cares about all people. Everyone - please keep up the good work!

by: WaveTossed

06-05-2009 @ 2:57pm

Unfortunately, I have found out that there is still some anti-immigrant feeling among so-called "progressives." I remember advocating for immigration reform in another forum. I was attacked for "supporting law-breakers" and "illegals" both from those who considered themselves "liberal" as well as those who considered themselves "conservatives." The strong support I've seen for true immigration reform comes from libertarians.

by: WaveTossed

06-05-2009 @ 2:57pm

Unfortunately, I have found out that there is still some anti-immigrant feeling among so-called "progressives." I remember advocating for immigration reform in another forum. I was attacked for "supporting law-breakers" and "illegals" both from those who considered themselves "liberal" as well as those who considered themselves "conservatives." The strong support I've seen for true immigration reform comes from libertarians.

by: jeffp

06-06-2009 @ 3:30pm

The brothel case in Minneapolis showed me that the progressives here were more concerned about the Issue than the people. This could be said also of people who hold the view closer to mine (I think we should start by enforcing the laws we have, then make fixes from there).

This is a topic that many on this sight have chosen not to engage because of accusations of racism.

by: jeffp

06-06-2009 @ 3:30pm

The brothel case in Minneapolis showed me that the progressives here were more concerned about the Issue than the people. This could be said also of people who hold the view closer to mine (I think we should start by enforcing the laws we have, then make fixes from there).

This is a topic that many on this sight have chosen not to engage because of accusations of racism.

by: WaveTossed

06-06-2009 @ 7:44pm

" This could be said also of people who hold the view closer to mine (I think we should start by enforcing the laws we have, then make fixes from there)."

I beg to disagree with you. Many libertarians believe that we need to fix the system. In that way, you will have a lot less "illegals" coming in because then most of the immigrants will be able to come here legally. Then this problem won't be nearly the problem that it is. And actually, it's not an "illegal immigrant" problem, it is a problem of too many people (from all sorts of political spectrums) who are xenophobic.

"This is a topic that many on this sight have chosen not to engage because of accusations of racism."

Yes, I've noticed that. However, when I've been on other forums discussing this topic, sooner or later the anti-Mexican racism begins to emerge. However anti-Mexican prejudice (unlike anti-Gay prejudice) is not "politically correct" among most of the people who post here. So they simply avoid this topic of exploitation and human trafficking that is occuring right here in the U.S.

by: WaveTossed

06-06-2009 @ 7:44pm

" This could be said also of people who hold the view closer to mine (I think we should start by enforcing the laws we have, then make fixes from there)."

I beg to disagree with you. Many libertarians believe that we need to fix the system. In that way, you will have a lot less "illegals" coming in because then most of the immigrants will be able to come here legally. Then this problem won't be nearly the problem that it is. And actually, it's not an "illegal immigrant" problem, it is a problem of too many people (from all sorts of political spectrums) who are xenophobic.

"This is a topic that many on this sight have chosen not to engage because of accusations of racism."

Yes, I've noticed that. However, when I've been on other forums discussing this topic, sooner or later the anti-Mexican racism begins to emerge. However anti-Mexican prejudice (unlike anti-Gay prejudice) is not "politically correct" among most of the people who post here. So they simply avoid this topic of exploitation and human trafficking that is occuring right here in the U.S.

by: WaveTossed

06-06-2009 @ 9:44pm

" This could be said also of people who hold the view closer to mine (I think we should start by enforcing the laws we have, then make fixes from there)."

I beg to disagree with you. Many libertarians believe that we need to fix the system. In that way, you will have a lot less "illegals" coming in because then most of the immigrants will be able to come here legally. Then this problem won't be nearly the problem that it is. And actually, it's not an "illegal immigrant" problem, it is a problem of too many people (from all sorts of political spectrums) who are xenophobic.

"This is a topic that many on this sight have chosen not to engage because of accusations of racism."

Yes, I've noticed that. However, when I've been on other forums discussing this topic, sooner or later the anti-Mexican racism begins to emerge. However anti-Mexican prejudice (unlike anti-Gay prejudice) is not "politically correct" among most of the people who post here. So they simply avoid this topic of exploitation and human trafficking that is occuring right here in the U.S.

by: WaveTossed

06-06-2009 @ 9:44pm

" This could be said also of people who hold the view closer to mine (I think we should start by enforcing the laws we have, then make fixes from there)."

I beg to disagree with you. Many libertarians believe that we need to fix the system. In that way, you will have a lot less "illegals" coming in because then most of the immigrants will be able to come here legally. Then this problem won't be nearly the problem that it is. And actually, it's not an "illegal immigrant" problem, it is a problem of too many people (from all sorts of political spectrums) who are xenophobic.

"This is a topic that many on this sight have chosen not to engage because of accusations of racism."

Yes, I've noticed that. However, when I've been on other forums discussing this topic, sooner or later the anti-Mexican racism begins to emerge. However anti-Mexican prejudice (unlike anti-Gay prejudice) is not "politically correct" among most of the people who post here. So they simply avoid this topic of exploitation and human trafficking that is occuring right here in the U.S.