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The Dark Side of Development

090724-cambodiaDevelopment is a word full of hope. It brings to mind water pumps and rice banks, bridges and education, smiling children and sky-scraping financial institutions. Yet there is a dark side to development.

On Friday, July 17th, at 4 a.m., this dark side showed its face when

[D]ozens of armed police took up positions around Group 78, Phnom Penh, in order to enforce a municipal order that they dismantle their homes or be forcibly removed.

This followed 53 families yesterday "agreeing" to the authorities' demand that they accept an offer of $8,000 compensation or their homes would be forcibly destroyed. Negotiations this morning with the remaining 7 families who had not "agreed" led to a final offer to them of up to $20,000 in compensation which they all accepted, except for one family whose home was destroyed against their will. (Joint media statement by civil society in Cambodia, July 17, 2009)

This community had to make way for development. Their homes were ramshackle and had to give way to pristine apartments. Their homes stand over black water and had to give way to paved sidewalks. Their families rode bicycles or walked to work. They had to give way to the shiny black SUVs of the wealthy. Their children barely make it through the fourth grade. They had to give way to the well-reasoned premise that the city needs this place

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by: samanthabakerevens

07-30-2009 @ 3:27am

While I agree that that the issue is complex, I think the concern of the author (you'll notice from the last name that I'm married to him) is that the Cambodian government is ignoring its own land titling laws. To put it simply, the land law states that anyone who occupies a piece of land for 5 years, owns it (with a few exceptions such as national parks and waterways -- including beach fronts, which you are probably most familiar with in Sihanoukville). This is why Cambodians almost always put a fence around the land that they own before they build anything else -- to keep out squatters.

The families in the city had land title -- this was ignored. Independent land surveyors set the fair market value for the land -- this was ignored. Intimidation and force by government employees (policemen) hired by a private company was used -- a clear conflict of interest and illegal.

I think you are right to say that there has been much good development and it is amazing to see the rapid rise in the Cambodian merchant class, as you mentioned. But if the rule of law is not maintained, that progress is always in jeopardy.

The longer I live in this country (it's 5 years for me now), the more I realize that I need to continue to keep re-examining my assumptions and what I think I know about Cambodia, as it is changing so rapidly and living cross-culturally is so complex. I'm sure with your much longer experience in Cambodia, you can attest to that even more. We can't just assume that all 150,000 families in Cambodia who are involved in land conflict and facing evictions have the same legal case to their land, but I think the statement issued by the US, UK, Australian, Bulgarian, Danish embassies, the Asian Development Bank, European Commission, World Bank, United Nations etc, if nothing else demonstrates that the international community sees more in this than squatters losing land they never owned -- the land rights issue in Cambodia is a direct threat to the progress of the true development that you have witnessed in the last 15 years.

by: Buy House

09-05-2009 @ 6:52am

These are really Evil Politics.

by: Buy House

09-05-2009 @ 8:52am

These are really Evil Politics.

by: Buy House

09-05-2009 @ 6:52am

These are really Evil Politics.

by: WaveTossed

07-24-2009 @ 6:06pm

This is what happened in Connecticutt. Some government bureaucrats imposed the "eniment doman" principle to forcibly remove people from their houses and offering inadequate compensation. The civil authorities then turned around and sold the land to a private developer.

The people who got displaced sued the local government. The case ended up in the Supreme Court, which ruled 5-4 against the displaced people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

Amazingly, it was the so-called "liberal" justices (Anthony M. Kennedy -- a "swing" justice -- and David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer) who along with Justice John Paul Stevens (who wrote the majority opinion) who sided with the commercial developers. The dissenters were Sandra Day O'Conner, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, and William Renquist.

Right now, the land sits there, dusty and deserted. No one will touch it.

by: bhaack

07-25-2009 @ 1:34am

This is an example of "development"? Where I come from we call this Government tyranny. This is like saying God has a dark side because of what happened during the Spanish Inquisitions.

Look if you want to criticize development, fine go for it. But don't call Government tyranny development and then use that as your object of derision.

by: WaveTossed

07-25-2009 @ 1:43pm

bhaack, on this issue (unlike some others), I am completely on your side. What happened both in Cambodia and in New London Connecticut was government tyranny.

I believe that the author of the article is on our side as well. He stated:

"I say this last word tongue in cheek (if you hadn't guessed), for this is all about development not about God. The ones who lost the most were denied access to any benefit of this development, yet the finished product will be hailed as progess, a sign that Cambodia is on its way up."

What is very interesting, to say the least, is that (in the U.S. case) most liberals were on the side of government tyranny. And thus this is one of many reasons why I'm a libertarian and a registered independent. Many of us libertarians are "political orphans," who don't want any sort of government authoritarianism, whether from the so-called "left" or from the so-called "right."

by: WaveTossed

07-24-2009 @ 6:06pm

This is what happened in Connecticutt. Some government bureaucrats imposed the "eniment doman" principle to forcibly remove people from their houses and offering inadequate compensation. The civil authorities then turned around and sold the land to a private developer.

The people who got displaced sued the local government. The case ended up in the Supreme Court, which ruled 5-4 against the displaced people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

Amazingly, it was the so-called "liberal" justices (Anthony M. Kennedy -- a "swing" justice -- and David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer) who along with Justice John Paul Stevens (who wrote the majority opinion) who sided with the commercial developers. The dissenters were Sandra Day O'Conner, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, and William Renquist.

Right now, the land sits there, dusty and deserted. No one will touch it.

by: APerry

07-25-2009 @ 10:48pm

I too live in Cambodia, first came here 15 years ago when things were very different, have been back many times and have lived here for 3 years now. Many of Cambodia's problems are not so simplistic as is given the impression by the article .

While all of us hate to see poor people or anyone for that matter lose their homes and be displaced and I appreciate the compassionate stance and reasoned article above, a little perspective is in order:

Without exception in most cases of displacement by the Cambodian authorities of people living in these small communties not a single one has title to the land. They are basically poor squatters. They built their meager homes out of what they could gather, scrounge or buy. They came to Phnom Penh from the country to try to earn a better living for themselves and took up residence where they could. Some have been in place for many years.

Just as here in Sihanoukville where I live, these people are fully aware they do not own the land and that the government may force them to leave at any time. They hope and pray that they will be offered compensation. But they do know what a precarious position they occupy.

Keep in mind the compensation they have been offered is for their homes...not the land they are on...those home have almost no market value in PP except to the owner who built them. As for the idea of Fair market value, the real landowner has allowed them to live, rent free or for very little, for years.

About the amount of compensation, most of the small shacks that these people called homes were built for less than $200. They were first offered over $8000. Some got much more. This is a huge amount of money to the average Cambodian and I can guarantee that in many cases it will be spent on new cell phones and motorcycles and NOT on a new home.

Also the Cambodian Government does have to do a better job of applying the rule of law in removing squatters. Compensation has to be fair and alternative housing needs to be found that is close to the city and vital services. This is one of the big issues in these people agreeing to go. They were offered alternative plots of land but they were way out of the city.

What may not be well known to those not dealing in land issues is that Cambodia has Land Laws and the courts adjudicate disputes all the time. Cambodians who truly own the land they are on know how to delineate that land and protect it. They also have some form of title, either provisional or secure. During the Khmer rouge years almost all land title records were destroyed and the government has struggled with this issue. However there is a system in place for even the poor to claim ancestral title to land. I don't claim it always works but it is a start.

This is really not an eminent domain case this is a case of the land owner wanting his property back to do what he has the right to do even in Cambodia; develop it. Now whether I agree with what that particular development is or not, I can say this from my personal experience of over 15 years: When I first came here virtually all Cambodians were extremely poor, and many remain so today, but with all the development that has come in the past years I have witnessed the growth of a stronger and stronger merchant middle class, the lessening of some of the worst poverty and people having a chance for employment as that development creates so many jobs. It is precisely those jobs and that development that brought those poor squatter to PP in the first place.

by: bhaack

07-25-2009 @ 1:34am

This is an example of "development"? Where I come from we call this Government tyranny. This is like saying God has a dark side because of what happened during the Spanish Inquisitions.

Look if you want to criticize development, fine go for it. But don't call Government tyranny development and then use that as your object of derision.

by: WaveTossed

07-25-2009 @ 1:43pm

bhaack, on this issue (unlike some others), I am completely on your side. What happened both in Cambodia and in New London Connecticut was government tyranny.

I believe that the author of the article is on our side as well. He stated:

"I say this last word tongue in cheek (if you hadn't guessed), for this is all about development not about God. The ones who lost the most were denied access to any benefit of this development, yet the finished product will be hailed as progess, a sign that Cambodia is on its way up."

What is very interesting, to say the least, is that (in the U.S. case) most liberals were on the side of government tyranny. And thus this is one of many reasons why I'm a libertarian and a registered independent. Many of us libertarians are "political orphans," who don't want any sort of government authoritarianism, whether from the so-called "left" or from the so-called "right."

by: neuro_nurse

07-27-2009 @ 2:06pm

In "The Mystery of Capital," Hernando de Soto discusses the extreme complexity of acquiring a land title in many developing countries. Many so-called "squatters" are simply unable to navigate the multiple layers of government bureaucracy (and bribes) required to acquire land through official channels.

by: APerry

07-25-2009 @ 10:48pm

I too live in Cambodia, first came here 15 years ago when things were very different, have been back many times and have lived here for 3 years now. Many of Cambodia's problems are not so simplistic as is given the impression by the article .

While all of us hate to see poor people or anyone for that matter lose their homes and be displaced and I appreciate the compassionate stance and reasoned article above, a little perspective is in order:

Without exception in most cases of displacement by the Cambodian authorities of people living in these small communties not a single one has title to the land. They are basically poor squatters. They built their meager homes out of what they could gather, scrounge or buy. They came to Phnom Penh from the country to try to earn a better living for themselves and took up residence where they could. Some have been in place for many years.

Just as here in Sihanoukville where I live, these people are fully aware they do not own the land and that the government may force them to leave at any time. They hope and pray that they will be offered compensation. But they do know what a precarious position they occupy.

Keep in mind the compensation they have been offered is for their homes...not the land they are on...those home have almost no market value in PP except to the owner who built them. As for the idea of Fair market value, the real landowner has allowed them to live, rent free or for very little, for years.

About the amount of compensation, most of the small shacks that these people called homes were built for less than $200. They were first offered over $8000. Some got much more. This is a huge amount of money to the average Cambodian and I can guarantee that in many cases it will be spent on new cell phones and motorcycles and NOT on a new home.

Also the Cambodian Government does have to do a better job of applying the rule of law in removing squatters. Compensation has to be fair and alternative housing needs to be found that is close to the city and vital services. This is one of the big issues in these people agreeing to go. They were offered alternative plots of land but they were way out of the city.

What may not be well known to those not dealing in land issues is that Cambodia has Land Laws and the courts adjudicate disputes all the time. Cambodians who truly own the land they are on know how to delineate that land and protect it. They also have some form of title, either provisional or secure. During the Khmer rouge years almost all land title records were destroyed and the government has struggled with this issue. However there is a system in place for even the poor to claim ancestral title to land. I don't claim it always works but it is a start.

This is really not an eminent domain case this is a case of the land owner wanting his property back to do what he has the right to do even in Cambodia; develop it. Now whether I agree with what that particular development is or not, I can say this from my personal experience of over 15 years: When I first came here virtually all Cambodians were extremely poor, and many remain so today, but with all the development that has come in the past years I have witnessed the growth of a stronger and stronger merchant middle class, the lessening of some of the worst poverty and people having a chance for employment as that development creates so many jobs. It is precisely those jobs and that development that brought those poor squatter to PP in the first place.

by: neuro_nurse

07-27-2009 @ 2:06pm

In "The Mystery of Capital," Hernando de Soto discusses the extreme complexity of acquiring a land title in many developing countries. Many so-called "squatters" are simply unable to navigate the multiple layers of government bureaucracy (and bribes) required to acquire land through official channels.

by: chrisbakerevens

07-28-2009 @ 2:50am

Dear APerry,

thanks for your response to my blog post here. However, I think we differ on what is 'perspective'. Yes, Cambodia does have a legal system in place, but it is widely known that law counts for little, rather position, power and money.

As for land title, you are incorrect in saying the community did not have land title papers. Most, if not all residents of Group 78 have sufficient legal documentation to make a solid case in court. In fact, the Municipality of Phnom Penh recognised their legal claim to the land and this is the reason why they received any compensation at all. What is disturbing is that this community has very clear status, and they were waiting on a judgement on the legality of the Municipality's eviction order. The eviction went ahead despite that legal process not yet complete.

As for other communities in Cambodia, there are very few squatters as we might think of them in a Western sense. Since the Khmer Rouge legal land titles were all destroyed. There is NO land title documentation before 1979 and private land did not exist until the 1990s. As such we could call all Cambodians squatters. In recognition of this situation, the World Bank has been surveying the country and issuing land titles in many provinces. Where this process has fallen short of it's goal of providing legal security for land owners the WB has refused to touch any land claim that is embroiled in any kind of conflict, whether it is between neighbours or a community and the State of Cambodia. As such, the most vulnerable - the ones most in need of legal security - have missed out.

Yes, Cambodia is developing a growing middle and merchant class, that is excellent. However, communities who live on land that is desireable for reasons of development and commercial are vulnerable to intimidation, threats, legal summons, incarceration, and a number of serious injuries and death. Also, Group 78 existed in Phnom Penh long before the emergence of such business opportunities, so too Dey Krahom, Rek Reay, Boueng Kak and many other communities. This situation is far from limited to the city. Far more communities are at risk of forced eviction and illegal grabbing of land and natural resources in rural areas.

I don't pretend to be neutral on this issue. I purposefully stand on the side of the marginalised. I do, however, wish to see a positive engagement of the government, not simply a blind-folded critique. The Royal Government of Cambodia holds one of the keys to peace in Cambodia, and political realities often prevent authorities from acting in accordance with the law. However, abuse of power and position is all too prevalent.

Finally, a growing number of development partners, including the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, UN, US, EU and others, as I stated in my blog, recognise that development hurts the poor. This is not my perspective only.

Much peace to you.

by: chrisbakerevens

07-28-2009 @ 3:04am

bhaack you're so right! Yet it IS called development and the so-called development masters - the World Bank and Asian Development Bank recognise that such tyranny must occur for a country or region to 'develop'.

Of course, what is meant by 'development'? It is meant the attainment of a physical quality of life - cars, homes, education, health care, etc. What you and I might mean by development - access to such things by ALL is not necessarily understood by the elite in 'developing' countries or our own political leaders.

Development is also about a quality of relationship that includes reconciliation of past abuses. This process is effectively limited to five individuals in Cambodia - the remaining high-ranking Khmer Rouge leaders - but the reconciliation between the average Cambodian community is all but forgotten. A few excellent individuals and organisations continue this work, but it is so very low profile.

The reason why I call it development, and not Government tyranny, is because that is the framework for which it occurs in. Those lofty Bretton-Woods institutions that bring development to Cambodia are struggling to confront the tyranny that is contained within the development process, including corruption, lack of rule of law, and conflict of interest.

But kudos to the WB and others for calling for an end to forced evictions until transparent processes are implemented in Cambodia.

by: chrisbakerevens

07-28-2009 @ 3:13am

PHOTO SOURCE:
Rob Carmichael, Robert@flarebrands.com

My apologies for the source not being included in the original post.

by: ashsolicitors

07-28-2009 @ 4:52am

Hey, love the blog - i will try and keep up with it!! please keep more coming.

by: Buy House

09-05-2009 @ 8:52am

These are really Evil Politics.

by: chrisbakerevens

07-28-2009 @ 2:50am

Dear APerry,

thanks for your response to my blog post here. However, I think we differ on what is 'perspective'. Yes, Cambodia does have a legal system in place, but it is widely known that law counts for little, rather position, power and money.

As for land title, you are incorrect in saying the community did not have land title papers. Most, if not all residents of Group 78 have sufficient legal documentation to make a solid case in court. In fact, the Municipality of Phnom Penh recognised their legal claim to the land and this is the reason why they received any compensation at all. What is disturbing is that this community has very clear status, and they were waiting on a judgement on the legality of the Municipality's eviction order. The eviction went ahead despite that legal process not yet complete.

As for other communities in Cambodia, there are very few squatters as we might think of them in a Western sense. Since the Khmer Rouge legal land titles were all destroyed. There is NO land title documentation before 1979 and private land did not exist until the 1990s. As such we could call all Cambodians squatters. In recognition of this situation, the World Bank has been surveying the country and issuing land titles in many provinces. Where this process has fallen short of it's goal of providing legal security for land owners the WB has refused to touch any land claim that is embroiled in any kind of conflict, whether it is between neighbours or a community and the State of Cambodia. As such, the most vulnerable - the ones most in need of legal security - have missed out.

Yes, Cambodia is developing a growing middle and merchant class, that is excellent. However, communities who live on land that is desireable for reasons of development and commercial are vulnerable to intimidation, threats, legal summons, incarceration, and a number of serious injuries and death. Also, Group 78 existed in Phnom Penh long before the emergence of such business opportunities, so too Dey Krahom, Rek Reay, Boueng Kak and many other communities. This situation is far from limited to the city. Far more communities are at risk of forced eviction and illegal grabbing of land and natural resources in rural areas.

I don't pretend to be neutral on this issue. I purposefully stand on the side of the marginalised. I do, however, wish to see a positive engagement of the government, not simply a blind-folded critique. The Royal Government of Cambodia holds one of the keys to peace in Cambodia, and political realities often prevent authorities from acting in accordance with the law. However, abuse of power and position is all too prevalent.

Finally, a growing number of development partners, including the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, UN, US, EU and others, as I stated in my blog, recognise that development hurts the poor. This is not my perspective only.

Much peace to you.

by: chrisbakerevens

07-28-2009 @ 3:04am

bhaack you're so right! Yet it IS called development and the so-called development masters - the World Bank and Asian Development Bank recognise that such tyranny must occur for a country or region to 'develop'.

Of course, what is meant by 'development'? It is meant the attainment of a physical quality of life - cars, homes, education, health care, etc. What you and I might mean by development - access to such things by ALL is not necessarily understood by the elite in 'developing' countries or our own political leaders.

Development is also about a quality of relationship that includes reconciliation of past abuses. This process is effectively limited to five individuals in Cambodia - the remaining high-ranking Khmer Rouge leaders - but the reconciliation between the average Cambodian community is all but forgotten. A few excellent individuals and organisations continue this work, but it is so very low profile.

The reason why I call it development, and not Government tyranny, is because that is the framework for which it occurs in. Those lofty Bretton-Woods institutions that bring development to Cambodia are struggling to confront the tyranny that is contained within the development process, including corruption, lack of rule of law, and conflict of interest.

But kudos to the WB and others for calling for an end to forced evictions until transparent processes are implemented in Cambodia.

by: chrisbakerevens

07-28-2009 @ 3:13am

PHOTO SOURCE:
Rob Carmichael, Robert@flarebrands.com

My apologies for the source not being included in the original post.

by: ashsolicitors

07-28-2009 @ 4:52am

Hey, love the blog - i will try and keep up with it!! please keep more coming.

by: samanthabakerevens

07-30-2009 @ 3:27am

While I agree that that the issue is complex, I think the concern of the author (you'll notice from the last name that I'm married to him) is that the Cambodian government is ignoring its own land titling laws. To put it simply, the land law states that anyone who occupies a piece of land for 5 years, owns it (with a few exceptions such as national parks and waterways -- including beach fronts, which you are probably most familiar with in Sihanoukville). This is why Cambodians almost always put a fence around the land that they own before they build anything else -- to keep out squatters.

The families in the city had land title -- this was ignored. Independent land surveyors set the fair market value for the land -- this was ignored. Intimidation and force by government employees (policemen) hired by a private company was used -- a clear conflict of interest and illegal.

I think you are right to say that there has been much good development and it is amazing to see the rapid rise in the Cambodian merchant class, as you mentioned. But if the rule of law is not maintained, that progress is always in jeopardy.

The longer I live in this country (it's 5 years for me now), the more I realize that I need to continue to keep re-examining my assumptions and what I think I know about Cambodia, as it is changing so rapidly and living cross-culturally is so complex. I'm sure with your much longer experience in Cambodia, you can attest to that even more. We can't just assume that all 150,000 families in Cambodia who are involved in land conflict and facing evictions have the same legal case to their land, but I think the statement issued by the US, UK, Australian, Bulgarian, Danish embassies, the Asian Development Bank, European Commission, World Bank, United Nations etc, if nothing else demonstrates that the international community sees more in this than squatters losing land they never owned -- the land rights issue in Cambodia is a direct threat to the progress of the true development that you have witnessed in the last 15 years.

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by: WaveTossed

07-24-2009 @ 6:06pm

This is what happened in Connecticutt. Some government bureaucrats imposed the "eniment doman" principle to forcibly remove people from their houses and offering inadequate compensation. The civil authorities then turned around and sold the land to a private developer.

The people who got displaced sued the local government. The case ended up in the Supreme Court, which ruled 5-4 against the displaced people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

Amazingly, it was the so-called "liberal" justices (Anthony M. Kennedy -- a "swing" justice -- and David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer) who along with Justice John Paul Stevens (who wrote the majority opinion) who sided with the commercial developers. The dissenters were Sandra Day O'Conner, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, and William Renquist.

Right now, the land sits there, dusty and deserted. No one will touch it.

by: WaveTossed

07-24-2009 @ 6:06pm

This is what happened in Connecticutt. Some government bureaucrats imposed the "eniment doman" principle to forcibly remove people from their houses and offering inadequate compensation. The civil authorities then turned around and sold the land to a private developer.

The people who got displaced sued the local government. The case ended up in the Supreme Court, which ruled 5-4 against the displaced people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

Amazingly, it was the so-called "liberal" justices (Anthony M. Kennedy -- a "swing" justice -- and David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer) who along with Justice John Paul Stevens (who wrote the majority opinion) who sided with the commercial developers. The dissenters were Sandra Day O'Conner, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, and William Renquist.

Right now, the land sits there, dusty and deserted. No one will touch it.

by: bhaack

07-25-2009 @ 1:34am

This is an example of "development"? Where I come from we call this Government tyranny. This is like saying God has a dark side because of what happened during the Spanish Inquisitions.

Look if you want to criticize development, fine go for it. But don't call Government tyranny development and then use that as your object of derision.

by: bhaack

07-25-2009 @ 1:34am

This is an example of "development"? Where I come from we call this Government tyranny. This is like saying God has a dark side because of what happened during the Spanish Inquisitions.

Look if you want to criticize development, fine go for it. But don't call Government tyranny development and then use that as your object of derision.

by: WaveTossed

07-25-2009 @ 1:43pm

bhaack, on this issue (unlike some others), I am completely on your side. What happened both in Cambodia and in New London Connecticut was government tyranny.

I believe that the author of the article is on our side as well. He stated:

"I say this last word tongue in cheek (if you hadn't guessed), for this is all about development not about God. The ones who lost the most were denied access to any benefit of this development, yet the finished product will be hailed as progess, a sign that Cambodia is on its way up."

What is very interesting, to say the least, is that (in the U.S. case) most liberals were on the side of government tyranny. And thus this is one of many reasons why I'm a libertarian and a registered independent. Many of us libertarians are "political orphans," who don't want any sort of government authoritarianism, whether from the so-called "left" or from the so-called "right."

by: WaveTossed

07-25-2009 @ 1:43pm

bhaack, on this issue (unlike some others), I am completely on your side. What happened both in Cambodia and in New London Connecticut was government tyranny.

I believe that the author of the article is on our side as well. He stated:

"I say this last word tongue in cheek (if you hadn't guessed), for this is all about development not about God. The ones who lost the most were denied access to any benefit of this development, yet the finished product will be hailed as progess, a sign that Cambodia is on its way up."

What is very interesting, to say the least, is that (in the U.S. case) most liberals were on the side of government tyranny. And thus this is one of many reasons why I'm a libertarian and a registered independent. Many of us libertarians are "political orphans," who don't want any sort of government authoritarianism, whether from the so-called "left" or from the so-called "right."

by: APerry

07-25-2009 @ 10:48pm

I too live in Cambodia, first came here 15 years ago when things were very different, have been back many times and have lived here for 3 years now. Many of Cambodia's problems are not so simplistic as is given the impression by the article .

While all of us hate to see poor people or anyone for that matter lose their homes and be displaced and I appreciate the compassionate stance and reasoned article above, a little perspective is in order:

Without exception in most cases of displacement by the Cambodian authorities of people living in these small communties not a single one has title to the land. They are basically poor squatters. They built their meager homes out of what they could gather, scrounge or buy. They came to Phnom Penh from the country to try to earn a better living for themselves and took up residence where they could. Some have been in place for many years.

Just as here in Sihanoukville where I live, these people are fully aware they do not own the land and that the government may force them to leave at any time. They hope and pray that they will be offered compensation. But they do know what a precarious position they occupy.

Keep in mind the compensation they have been offered is for their homes...not the land they are on...those home have almost no market value in PP except to the owner who built them. As for the idea of Fair market value, the real landowner has allowed them to live, rent free or for very little, for years.

About the amount of compensation, most of the small shacks that these people called homes were built for less than $200. They were first offered over $8000. Some got much more. This is a huge amount of money to the average Cambodian and I can guarantee that in many cases it will be spent on new cell phones and motorcycles and NOT on a new home.

Also the Cambodian Government does have to do a better job of applying the rule of law in removing squatters. Compensation has to be fair and alternative housing needs to be found that is close to the city and vital services. This is one of the big issues in these people agreeing to go. They were offered alternative plots of land but they were way out of the city.

What may not be well known to those not dealing in land issues is that Cambodia has Land Laws and the courts adjudicate disputes all the time. Cambodians who truly own the land they are on know how to delineate that land and protect it. They also have some form of title, either provisional or secure. During the Khmer rouge years almost all land title records were destroyed and the government has struggled with this issue. However there is a system in place for even the poor to claim ancestral title to land. I don't claim it always works but it is a start.

This is really not an eminent domain case this is a case of the land owner wanting his property back to do what he has the right to do even in Cambodia; develop it. Now whether I agree with what that particular development is or not, I can say this from my personal experience of over 15 years: When I first came here virtually all Cambodians were extremely poor, and many remain so today, but with all the development that has come in the past years I have witnessed the growth of a stronger and stronger merchant middle class, the lessening of some of the worst poverty and people having a chance for employment as that development creates so many jobs. It is precisely those jobs and that development that brought those poor squatter to PP in the first place.

by: APerry

07-25-2009 @ 10:48pm

I too live in Cambodia, first came here 15 years ago when things were very different, have been back many times and have lived here for 3 years now. Many of Cambodia's problems are not so simplistic as is given the impression by the article .

While all of us hate to see poor people or anyone for that matter lose their homes and be displaced and I appreciate the compassionate stance and reasoned article above, a little perspective is in order:

Without exception in most cases of displacement by the Cambodian authorities of people living in these small communties not a single one has title to the land. They are basically poor squatters. They built their meager homes out of what they could gather, scrounge or buy. They came to Phnom Penh from the country to try to earn a better living for themselves and took up residence where they could. Some have been in place for many years.

Just as here in Sihanoukville where I live, these people are fully aware they do not own the land and that the government may force them to leave at any time. They hope and pray that they will be offered compensation. But they do know what a precarious position they occupy.

Keep in mind the compensation they have been offered is for their homes...not the land they are on...those home have almost no market value in PP except to the owner who built them. As for the idea of Fair market value, the real landowner has allowed them to live, rent free or for very little, for years.

About the amount of compensation, most of the small shacks that these people called homes were built for less than $200. They were first offered over $8000. Some got much more. This is a huge amount of money to the average Cambodian and I can guarantee that in many cases it will be spent on new cell phones and motorcycles and NOT on a new home.

Also the Cambodian Government does have to do a better job of applying the rule of law in removing squatters. Compensation has to be fair and alternative housing needs to be found that is close to the city and vital services. This is one of the big issues in these people agreeing to go. They were offered alternative plots of land but they were way out of the city.

What may not be well known to those not dealing in land issues is that Cambodia has Land Laws and the courts adjudicate disputes all the time. Cambodians who truly own the land they are on know how to delineate that land and protect it. They also have some form of title, either provisional or secure. During the Khmer rouge years almost all land title records were destroyed and the government has struggled with this issue. However there is a system in place for even the poor to claim ancestral title to land. I don't claim it always works but it is a start.

This is really not an eminent domain case this is a case of the land owner wanting his property back to do what he has the right to do even in Cambodia; develop it. Now whether I agree with what that particular development is or not, I can say this from my personal experience of over 15 years: When I first came here virtually all Cambodians were extremely poor, and many remain so today, but with all the development that has come in the past years I have witnessed the growth of a stronger and stronger merchant middle class, the lessening of some of the worst poverty and people having a chance for employment as that development creates so many jobs. It is precisely those jobs and that development that brought those poor squatter to PP in the first place.

by: neuro_nurse

07-27-2009 @ 2:06pm

In "The Mystery of Capital," Hernando de Soto discusses the extreme complexity of acquiring a land title in many developing countries. Many so-called "squatters" are simply unable to navigate the multiple layers of government bureaucracy (and bribes) required to acquire land through official channels.

by: neuro_nurse

07-27-2009 @ 2:06pm

In "The Mystery of Capital," Hernando de Soto discusses the extreme complexity of acquiring a land title in many developing countries. Many so-called "squatters" are simply unable to navigate the multiple layers of government bureaucracy (and bribes) required to acquire land through official channels.

by: chrisbakerevens

07-28-2009 @ 2:50am

Dear APerry,

thanks for your response to my blog post here. However, I think we differ on what is 'perspective'. Yes, Cambodia does have a legal system in place, but it is widely known that law counts for little, rather position, power and money.

As for land title, you are incorrect in saying the community did not have land title papers. Most, if not all residents of Group 78 have sufficient legal documentation to make a solid case in court. In fact, the Municipality of Phnom Penh recognised their legal claim to the land and this is the reason why they received any compensation at all. What is disturbing is that this community has very clear status, and they were waiting on a judgement on the legality of the Municipality's eviction order. The eviction went ahead despite that legal process not yet complete.

As for other communities in Cambodia, there are very few squatters as we might think of them in a Western sense. Since the Khmer Rouge legal land titles were all destroyed. There is NO land title documentation before 1979 and private land did not exist until the 1990s. As such we could call all Cambodians squatters. In recognition of this situation, the World Bank has been surveying the country and issuing land titles in many provinces. Where this process has fallen short of it's goal of providing legal security for land owners the WB has refused to touch any land claim that is embroiled in any kind of conflict, whether it is between neighbours or a community and the State of Cambodia. As such, the most vulnerable - the ones most in need of legal security - have missed out.

Yes, Cambodia is developing a growing middle and merchant class, that is excellent. However, communities who live on land that is desireable for reasons of development and commercial are vulnerable to intimidation, threats, legal summons, incarceration, and a number of serious injuries and death. Also, Group 78 existed in Phnom Penh long before the emergence of such business opportunities, so too Dey Krahom, Rek Reay, Boueng Kak and many other communities. This situation is far from limited to the city. Far more communities are at risk of forced eviction and illegal grabbing of land and natural resources in rural areas.

I don't pretend to be neutral on this issue. I purposefully stand on the side of the marginalised. I do, however, wish to see a positive engagement of the government, not simply a blind-folded critique. The Royal Government of Cambodia holds one of the keys to peace in Cambodia, and political realities often prevent authorities from acting in accordance with the law. However, abuse of power and position is all too prevalent.

Finally, a growing number of development partners, including the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, UN, US, EU and others, as I stated in my blog, recognise that development hurts the poor. This is not my perspective only.

Much peace to you.

by: chrisbakerevens

07-28-2009 @ 2:50am

Dear APerry,

thanks for your response to my blog post here. However, I think we differ on what is 'perspective'. Yes, Cambodia does have a legal system in place, but it is widely known that law counts for little, rather position, power and money.

As for land title, you are incorrect in saying the community did not have land title papers. Most, if not all residents of Group 78 have sufficient legal documentation to make a solid case in court. In fact, the Municipality of Phnom Penh recognised their legal claim to the land and this is the reason why they received any compensation at all. What is disturbing is that this community has very clear status, and they were waiting on a judgement on the legality of the Municipality's eviction order. The eviction went ahead despite that legal process not yet complete.

As for other communities in Cambodia, there are very few squatters as we might think of them in a Western sense. Since the Khmer Rouge legal land titles were all destroyed. There is NO land title documentation before 1979 and private land did not exist until the 1990s. As such we could call all Cambodians squatters. In recognition of this situation, the World Bank has been surveying the country and issuing land titles in many provinces. Where this process has fallen short of it's goal of providing legal security for land owners the WB has refused to touch any land claim that is embroiled in any kind of conflict, whether it is between neighbours or a community and the State of Cambodia. As such, the most vulnerable - the ones most in need of legal security - have missed out.

Yes, Cambodia is developing a growing middle and merchant class, that is excellent. However, communities who live on land that is desireable for reasons of development and commercial are vulnerable to intimidation, threats, legal summons, incarceration, and a number of serious injuries and death. Also, Group 78 existed in Phnom Penh long before the emergence of such business opportunities, so too Dey Krahom, Rek Reay, Boueng Kak and many other communities. This situation is far from limited to the city. Far more communities are at risk of forced eviction and illegal grabbing of land and natural resources in rural areas.

I don't pretend to be neutral on this issue. I purposefully stand on the side of the marginalised. I do, however, wish to see a positive engagement of the government, not simply a blind-folded critique. The Royal Government of Cambodia holds one of the keys to peace in Cambodia, and political realities often prevent authorities from acting in accordance with the law. However, abuse of power and position is all too prevalent.

Finally, a growing number of development partners, including the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, UN, US, EU and others, as I stated in my blog, recognise that development hurts the poor. This is not my perspective only.

Much peace to you.

by: chrisbakerevens

07-28-2009 @ 3:04am

bhaack you're so right! Yet it IS called development and the so-called development masters - the World Bank and Asian Development Bank recognise that such tyranny must occur for a country or region to 'develop'.

Of course, what is meant by 'development'? It is meant the attainment of a physical quality of life - cars, homes, education, health care, etc. What you and I might mean by development - access to such things by ALL is not necessarily understood by the elite in 'developing' countries or our own political leaders.

Development is also about a quality of relationship that includes reconciliation of past abuses. This process is effectively limited to five individuals in Cambodia - the remaining high-ranking Khmer Rouge leaders - but the reconciliation between the average Cambodian community is all but forgotten. A few excellent individuals and organisations continue this work, but it is so very low profile.

The reason why I call it development, and not Government tyranny, is because that is the framework for which it occurs in. Those lofty Bretton-Woods institutions that bring development to Cambodia are struggling to confront the tyranny that is contained within the development process, including corruption, lack of rule of law, and conflict of interest.

But kudos to the WB and others for calling for an end to forced evictions until transparent processes are implemented in Cambodia.

by: chrisbakerevens

07-28-2009 @ 3:04am

bhaack you're so right! Yet it IS called development and the so-called development masters - the World Bank and Asian Development Bank recognise that such tyranny must occur for a country or region to 'develop'.

Of course, what is meant by 'development'? It is meant the attainment of a physical quality of life - cars, homes, education, health care, etc. What you and I might mean by development - access to such things by ALL is not necessarily understood by the elite in 'developing' countries or our own political leaders.

Development is also about a quality of relationship that includes reconciliation of past abuses. This process is effectively limited to five individuals in Cambodia - the remaining high-ranking Khmer Rouge leaders - but the reconciliation between the average Cambodian community is all but forgotten. A few excellent individuals and organisations continue this work, but it is so very low profile.

The reason why I call it development, and not Government tyranny, is because that is the framework for which it occurs in. Those lofty Bretton-Woods institutions that bring development to Cambodia are struggling to confront the tyranny that is contained within the development process, including corruption, lack of rule of law, and conflict of interest.

But kudos to the WB and others for calling for an end to forced evictions until transparent processes are implemented in Cambodia.

by: chrisbakerevens

07-28-2009 @ 3:13am

PHOTO SOURCE:
Rob Carmichael, Robert@flarebrands.com

My apologies for the source not being included in the original post.

by: chrisbakerevens

07-28-2009 @ 3:13am

PHOTO SOURCE:
Rob Carmichael, Robert@flarebrands.com

My apologies for the source not being included in the original post.

by: ashsolicitors

07-28-2009 @ 4:52am

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by: ashsolicitors

07-28-2009 @ 4:52am

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by: samanthabakerevens

07-30-2009 @ 3:27am

While I agree that that the issue is complex, I think the concern of the author (you'll notice from the last name that I'm married to him) is that the Cambodian government is ignoring its own land titling laws. To put it simply, the land law states that anyone who occupies a piece of land for 5 years, owns it (with a few exceptions such as national parks and waterways -- including beach fronts, which you are probably most familiar with in Sihanoukville). This is why Cambodians almost always put a fence around the land that they own before they build anything else -- to keep out squatters.

The families in the city had land title -- this was ignored. Independent land surveyors set the fair market value for the land -- this was ignored. Intimidation and force by government employees (policemen) hired by a private company was used -- a clear conflict of interest and illegal.

I think you are right to say that there has been much good development and it is amazing to see the rapid rise in the Cambodian merchant class, as you mentioned. But if the rule of law is not maintained, that progress is always in jeopardy.

The longer I live in this country (it's 5 years for me now), the more I realize that I need to continue to keep re-examining my assumptions and what I think I know about Cambodia, as it is changing so rapidly and living cross-culturally is so complex. I'm sure with your much longer experience in Cambodia, you can attest to that even more. We can't just assume that all 150,000 families in Cambodia who are involved in land conflict and facing evictions have the same legal case to their land, but I think the statement issued by the US, UK, Australian, Bulgarian, Danish embassies, the Asian Development Bank, European Commission, World Bank, United Nations etc, if nothing else demonstrates that the international community sees more in this than squatters losing land they never owned -- the land rights issue in Cambodia is a direct threat to the progress of the true development that you have witnessed in the last 15 years.

by: samanthabakerevens

07-30-2009 @ 3:27am

While I agree that that the issue is complex, I think the concern of the author (you'll notice from the last name that I'm married to him) is that the Cambodian government is ignoring its own land titling laws. To put it simply, the land law states that anyone who occupies a piece of land for 5 years, owns it (with a few exceptions such as national parks and waterways -- including beach fronts, which you are probably most familiar with in Sihanoukville). This is why Cambodians almost always put a fence around the land that they own before they build anything else -- to keep out squatters.

The families in the city had land title -- this was ignored. Independent land surveyors set the fair market value for the land -- this was ignored. Intimidation and force by government employees (policemen) hired by a private company was used -- a clear conflict of interest and illegal.

I think you are right to say that there has been much good development and it is amazing to see the rapid rise in the Cambodian merchant class, as you mentioned. But if the rule of law is not maintained, that progress is always in jeopardy.

The longer I live in this country (it's 5 years for me now), the more I realize that I need to continue to keep re-examining my assumptions and what I think I know about Cambodia, as it is changing so rapidly and living cross-culturally is so complex. I'm sure with your much longer experience in Cambodia, you can attest to that even more. We can't just assume that all 150,000 families in Cambodia who are involved in land conflict and facing evictions have the same legal case to their land, but I think the statement issued by the US, UK, Australian, Bulgarian, Danish embassies, the Asian Development Bank, European Commission, World Bank, United Nations etc, if nothing else demonstrates that the international community sees more in this than squatters losing land they never owned -- the land rights issue in Cambodia is a direct threat to the progress of the true development that you have witnessed in the last 15 years.

by: Buy House

09-05-2009 @ 6:52am

These are really Evil Politics.

by: Buy House

09-05-2009 @ 6:52am

These are really Evil Politics.

by: Buy House

09-05-2009 @ 8:52am

These are really Evil Politics.

by: Buy House

09-05-2009 @ 8:52am

These are really Evil Politics.