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Professor Gates, Sgt. Crowley, and the Balance of Power

There are only a handful of widely, cross-culturally known black intellectuals in this country-Maya Angelou, Cornel West, Michael Eric Dyson, Julianne Malveaux, and maybe a few others. Then there's Dr. Henry Louis Gates (Harvard), named one of Time magazine's "25 Most Influential People in America" in 1997. Second only perhaps to John Hope Franklin in terms of transformative impact on the field of American History, expanding it to include persons of African decent, Gates has been for some time the foremost-not number two, number one-scholar in African and African-American studies in this country. Gates holds one of only 20 "distinguished professor" positions at Harvard; he also serves as director of the university's W. E. B. DuBois Center. His multiple PBS and other documentaries have informed us, indicted us, and improved our sense of the history and the personhood of all people. He is a singular figure in many respects, embracing innovative technologies as a means by which to excavate a people's history. Still, following Gates' recent arrest for "disorderly conduct," after being accused of breaking into his own home located near Harvard University's campus, I am left to wonder. How much acclaim does a Negro need to have in order to earn some of those "inalienable rights" upon which America was founded?

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The question itself indicts, I know. And one could easily be buffeted down the path of defense and rationalization. One might be loath to question the intent of the police officer, the authority, who interacted with Dr. Gates the afternoon of July 16. Assuming the veracity of the officer's recollection, one might rather be inclined to question, "Why would Mr. Gates ever resist the officer's directives, first to step outside the home, and later, to produce evidence of his right to be in the home?" One's own experience with law enforcement may lead one to assume that no officer would be inclined to harass any citizen without probable cause. One might speculate, " Mr. Gates must have said something that was off-putting to the officer."

One may even posit that the officer had a sworn duty to pursue the matter to his full satisfaction once he had been dispatched to the scene, and all Mr. Gates had to do was satisfy the officer's inquiry. And there are those who will say that Mr. Gates is always interjecting race into situations where race is not a factor, ignoring issues of public safety and authority. One could go on ad infinitum in critique and criticism of Gates along these lines, but in light of who the victim of discrimination is and the fact that this is not an isolated incident, such knee-jerk opposition to Dr. Gates is baseless.

The officer's only responsibility in the situation was to ascertain Mr. Gates' right to be on the property. Once Mr. Gates had opened the door in response to the officer's knock, there was only one question pertinent in meeting that responsibility: "May I please see your driver's license?" That was it. But that was neither where the officer began nor ended, which leads me to wonder: What level of identification was sufficient to elevate Mr. Gates above the presumption of suspicion? Wasn't Gates' own word at least as credible as an informant too unobservant to recognize her own neighbor returning home in broad daylight?

If Gates' answering the door didn't satisfy the officer, if his being on the house phone didn't clue the officer in (these are not things burglars do), if the gray hair and cane didn't suggest the informant may have been mistaken, if the driver's license and faculty ID didn't exonerate, what would have sufficed?

When informed of the professor's relationship to the university, the office radioed for assistance from the campus police. What was the expectation? Why would a random campus cop have had any more personal knowledge of the professor, short of their involvement in a previous incident together? Shy of the off chance the campus cop dispatched knew Gates by name, wouldn't she also have been left to trust the same documentation Gates had shown the first officer? What more could the second officer have done by way of verification that would not have furthered the presumption of guilt? Or was it that the first officer needed someone of a specific credibility to vouch for Gates?

When considering the preponderance of evidence that the officer chose to disregard, it's hard to maintain that by the end of his encounter with Dr. Gates the officer's only intent was to verify identity. I am persuaded that, despite the initial probable cause, this became the story of an officer who resented the lack of deference shown and took it upon himself to correct the balance of power.

With all due deference to the election of President Barack Obama (and Soledad O'Brien), this is Black in America too. And renown doesn't matter. Notwithstanding, the thing about inalienable rights is that they can't be earned. So by the same token, under the American system of laws, they cannot be lost.

Now this may give Dr. Gates just claim against the Cambridge police department. However, in my humble opinion, he would do best not to press that claim. Personal grievances aside, I'm not sure it's best for the country to make this particular incident the poster child for racial profiling. Although the incident has definite racial overtones and the police officer's actions clearly demonstrate discrimination to me, I'm still not certain Sgt. Crowley, the officer in the situation, engaged in racial discrimination. And to hang so much on a case that could be reasoned a multiplicity of ways seems to set us back, not move us forward.

I've always believed that the wonderfully precocious notion of "post-racial" denotes a willingness to live in hope beyond what we can see. This is not easy, particularly when incidents like this-that are far from simple misunderstandings-stir the cynic in us to retreat to familiar positions of opposition and loyalty.

Whereas the veracity of Dr. Gates' recollection makes intuitive sense to anyone with a window into my experience, I realize it does not make sense universally. And if making sense of things matters, Dr. Gates would do well to hire someone to help tell the story in a way accessible to as wide an audience as possible. As unjust as it is, Dr. Gates cannot express the indignation I feel and find resonance with the majority of Americans; neither can he maintain a defiant position of absolute innocence. Although these may both be honest expressions of how Gates has experienced this injustice, many-dare I say most-Americans will not grant him the grace of that kind of cathartic vent.

If Gates wants to further the cause of hope, he will have to navigate the murky waters of pleading his case with the same finesse with which President Obama deals with issues of race, religion, national origin, and all the other xenophobic concerns of his American constituency. Sadly, there is no amount of acclaim, or presumption of innocence, or contribution to the public good that guarantees respect for the "inalienable rights" of all who, in the words of the poet Langston Hughes, "too sing America." But that does not mean we can't live in hope.

Melvin BrayMelvin Bray (melvinbray.com) is a devoted husband, committed father, learner, teacher, writer, storyteller, purveyor of sustainability, and believer in possibilities. He is a contributing author to the recent compilation Audacity of Faith: Christian Leaders Reflect on the Election of Barack Obama (Judson Press) and an active participant in the Emergent Village.

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by: BlueDeacon

07-30-2009 @ 2:47pm

And I don't quite understand why you'd be asked to leave for being black if
your student leadership represented "just about every ethnic group
imaginable." Are you sure that's why you were asked to leave?

Yes, straight-up -- I would have never believed it had I not heard it with my
own ears. To clarify the story, it was a campus fellowship (I actually
attended a major secular university) I was asked to leave because I was the
wrong color; it had an ancillary fellowship for African-Americans which staff
suggested I attend. I refused because I knew my history and what the staff
was trying to do. (To this very day, nearly 30 years later, that same
umbrella ministry, which rescinded that policy less than 20 years ago,
struggles with issues of race and racism.)

Anyway, you are obviously not aware of the long-time split among black and
white evangelicals, otherwise you would never have made such unenlightened
comments. Only in the 1990s did we even see any efforts in mending those
breaches, most notably with the Promise Keepers. Anyway, Bill McCartney, who
will tell you that he benefited from "white privilege," began focusing on
racial reconciliation early on but received chilly receptions when he spoke
about it at PK rallies -- telling me that what he called the "spirit of
racism" was alive and well in the evangelical church.

by: BlueDeacon

07-30-2009 @ 2:29pm

If I complain about "ideological victimization of conservatives" (in other
words... REVERSE DISCRIMINATION... let's call it for what it is, shall we?),
it's because it exists and it's real and it's prevelant... just like racism
and other forms of discrimination are.

Nonsense. Here's the problem: The conservative movement actually became a
force precisely because of its victim posturing. How do you think Rush
Limbaugh got to be where he is? Or James Dobson? Or to give a more immediate
example, Sarah Palin? And what that allows them to do is to take no
responsibility for their actions and attitudes. In other words, conservatives
who "play the victim" are guilty of outright hypocrisy because they won't do
themselves what they tell everyone else to.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-24-2009 @ 7:36pm

Appreciate your piece. It reflects the unique contribution of your heart, mind and experience--and a gift to those who would receive.

Thank you.

by: jeffp

07-24-2009 @ 7:44pm

One thing is certain. The good professor acted in a racist manor.

by: lumens

07-24-2009 @ 7:52pm

"if the driver's license and faculty ID didn't exonerate, what would have sufficed?"

Stepping on the porch for a second as he was asked to do. But Gates had already profiled the police officer as a racist thug, so he didn't do so.

Are neighbors required not only to know the identity of everyone within a several-block radius, but their limo drivers as well?

Are police officers required to know where all the high profile Harvard professors live, and know them by the sound of their voice? Or just the black ones?

What would a robber say when confronted by police in a similar situation? Wouldn't they do their best to pretend they had every reason to be on the property? Maybe claim they were being persecuted because of race, since such claims are (as has been demonstrated) credulously embraced by the very sort of folks who reside in Cambridge?

Does Melvin really think that this case has advanced the cause of racial tolerance in this country? I can guarantee you it has not.

by: duhsciple

07-24-2009 @ 8:19pm

To whom does the "manor" belong? :)

by: duhsciple

07-24-2009 @ 8:23pm

what would melvin have to say in order to advance racial tolerance in this country?

i found the article honest and reflective about an ambiguous episode which certainly resonates one way based on his life experience (being a suspect for being black) that i have not experienced

i pray that we listen to one another's perspectives with grace

by: letjusticerolldown

07-24-2009 @ 8:24pm

I think you put your finger on the heart of the issue that no police officer (righteous or unrighteous) can really resolve. i.e. correcting the balance of power

I believe I understand your meaning in your comment. Dr Gates needed to be put "in his place."

Police officers are tasked with establishing and maintaining, with force (if needed), the order of law. Of course, that order of law has historically been racist. And many have not been able to secure their own safety, dignity and humanity within that order.

So for the officer behind the badge the decision becomes a choice between order/injustice and disorder/justice.

This is what we task police officers with everyday. And the tools we give them to solve the unsolvable are the power of arrest, the gun, and whatever creativity they have.

And likewise, Dr Gates, and millions of invisible, black males face completely unfair dilemmas in encounters with police.

We must use these flashpoint tensions around policing to converse, learn and change. But I think we also need to recognize that although there is much to accomplish in improving police-community processes--the fundamental issues cannot be projected onto police officers to solve in the streets; nor can we demand the Dr Gates of the world to put up with police misconduct or cast aside all wariness because police have such a difficult job.

Simply put: The law demands submission. A racist history demands that for justice to reign people must refuse to submit. Resolution demands a transformation.

by: ando

07-24-2009 @ 10:04pm

One viewpoint I heard -- what would have been different if Prof. Gates hadn't been a prominent African American? It could also be construed as a class issue: an uppity scholar vs. a working class police officer. Does class trump race? Like the OJ trial.

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07-24-2009 @ 10:27pm

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by: BlueDeacon

07-30-2009 @ 12:47pm

And I don't quite understand why you'd be asked to leave for being black if
your student leadership represented "just about every ethnic group
imaginable." Are you sure that's why you were asked to leave?

Yes, straight-up -- I would have never believed it had I not heard it with my
own ears. To clarify the story, it was a campus fellowship (I actually
attended a major secular university) I was asked to leave because I was the
wrong color; it had an ancillary fellowship for African-Americans which staff
suggested I attend. I refused because I knew my history and what the staff
was trying to do. (To this very day, nearly 30 years later, that same
umbrella ministry, which rescinded that policy less than 20 years ago,
struggles with issues of race and racism.)

Anyway, you are obviously not aware of the long-time split among black and
white evangelicals, otherwise you would never have made such unenlightened
comments. Only in the 1990s did we even see any efforts in mending those
breaches, most notably with the Promise Keepers. Anyway, Bill McCartney, who
will tell you that he benefited from "white privilege," began focusing on
racial reconciliation early on but received chilly receptions when he spoke
about it at PK rallies -- telling me that what he called the "spirit of
racism" was alive and well in the evangelical church.

by: NONKIMONO

07-24-2009 @ 10:45pm

I need a little clarification here. If the author can say that he is "still not certain Sgt. Crowley, the officer in the situation, engaged in racial discrimination", but in the same breath say, " the police officer's actions clearly demonstrate discrimination to me"; the question is begging to be asked. What type of discrimination does the author feel the officer is guilty of? Likewise, how can the author say "the incident has definite racial overtones ", and say, that he is "still not certain Sgt. Crowley, the officer in the situation, engaged in racial discrimination"? So what are the overtones?

by: BlueDeacon

07-30-2009 @ 12:29pm

If I complain about "ideological victimization of conservatives" (in other
words... REVERSE DISCRIMINATION... let's call it for what it is, shall we?),
it's because it exists and it's real and it's prevelant... just like racism
and other forms of discrimination are.

Nonsense. Here's the problem: The conservative movement actually became a
force precisely because of its victim posturing. How do you think Rush
Limbaugh got to be where he is? Or James Dobson? Or to give a more immediate
example, Sarah Palin? And what that allows them to do is to take no
responsibility for their actions and attitudes. In other words, conservatives
who "play the victim" are guilty of outright hypocrisy because they won't do
themselves what they tell everyone else to.

by: lumens

07-24-2009 @ 11:52pm

He could do away with the a priori dismissal of officer Crowley's case, and include all the relevant details. The needless potshot at the neighbor who called the cops was just petty.

Perspective is fine. Ascribing motives is not, and racial disparity is not an excuse to do so. Barack Obama is learning that the hard way.

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 6:05am

Where I live, I am quickly becoming a minority. I live in CA in an area that is very highly populated with Mexicans. And, like African Americans, they are "targeted" more by police. Why? Because every single day, there is a shooting... between who? Mexican gang members. Constantly. There are these gangs,and they are mostly either Asian or Mexican. It doesn't mean that whites are never involved in crime here. They are. But the majority of crimes, esp. shootings, happen with Mexicans, and esp. gang members.

In many large urban areas, the same is true with blacks. In L.A., for instance, you have the Bloods and the Crips. Two very violent criminal gangs made up of of mostly blacks. In L.A. police do have to have perhaps more vigilance towards blacks and Mexicans. Why? Because the majority of the violence there is sadly committed by Mexicans and blacks. Again, yes, there are plenty of whites and Asians committing crimes also, but like I said, the majority of gang members are Mexicans and blacks (and some Asians).

I, personally, when I see a bunch of Mexican gang-banger looking males in my town, I can't help but feel some fear. Is that racism? Or is that fear based on statistical evidence that my town has alot of crime, mostly committed by Mexicans? (I also feel some fear when I see white males if they are dressed like gang bangers).

AND... in CA, the police are the enemy of blacks and Mexicans. Recently, there've been several police killed in the line of duty... by who? Mexicans and blacks. Just recently in Oakland, four officers were shot and killed, while on a ROUTINE traffice stop (I poiint out the routine part because Sgt. Crowley was on a routine stop when he checked out Gates house). by a black man who was out on parole.

The media likes to spotlight blacks killed and/or mistreated by police, but what about the police killed and/or mistrated by blacks (or Mexicans) when they are simply doing their job and trying to protect people and keep cities safe?

So, I know this probably all sounds bad, but the fact is, it's all factual. Yes, in an ideal world, we'd have a "post racial" society, but how do you treat certain African Americans (and or Mexicans) equally when many of them are gang members and/or criminals... and when the majority of criminal acts in your town are committed by them?

I have many Mexican friends. They are not all gang members! But I cannot blame the police for maybe being a little more "on their guard" when it comes to Mexicans or blacks, at least in certain areas of the nation. Yours doesn't sound like one of those areas, but mine is.

It's sad, but it's true. And there are tensions in some cities between blacks and police because the blacks hate the police and view them as being racist, and so they are defiant and hateful towards them.

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 5:14am

You shouldn't hold views of life and the world based on past, isolated experiences (like your being expelled from college). Any human being could do this.

For instance, I am a woman. I have probably faced just as much discrimination/mistreatment (as some black people) because of it. But if I carry around bitterness or anger over it, where will it get me? Nowhere.

In my lifetime, as a result of being a woman, I've been groped by strangers (men), leered at, had male students lie on the ground talking to me only to find out they were distracting me so they could look up my dress, I've been treated as if I were stupid or just a "dumb blonde," I've been paid less than men, etc. I've also been abused by certain men and mistreated because of being the "weaker" sex.

Fortunately, I have never been raped, sold as a sex slave, or experienced many of the other atrocities that many other women have experienced, but I've experienced enough to make me know what it's like to be discriminated against.

Now, I could go through life with a chip on my shoulder, hating men, viewing all men as arrogant pigs, etc... but again... the quality of life I would lead if I did that would be a direct outcome of MY bitterness, MY refusal to forgive, and MY decision to not let go of the baggage of the past and to heal from it.

I know fully well that not all men rape, abuse, or mistreat women. I know fully well lthat just because some men have mistreated me and other women, it does not mean all men do. And I know fully well that the mistreatment is wrong, it should not be tolerated, but that it's just as wrong to assume that just because someone is a man, he mistreats women. (just like Gates assumed that becuase the officer was white, he was a racist)

It's obviously unfortunate and a shame that you were expelled for being black. I can't imagine what type of "evangelical" college that was. The evangelical college I went to had people of all races and ethnicities as most evangelical colleges do.

And I don't quite understand why you'd be asked to leave for being black if your student leadership represented "just about every ethnic group imaginable." Are you sure that's why you were asked to leave? Unless you were the only black person on campus at a whites-only school, I would imagine it was for a different reason.

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 5:00am

No, Frank Shaeffer is not right because he lumped together all conservatives and Evangelicals in his statements, and that is where he is very, very wrong.

There are MILLIONS of people who did not vote for Obama and it had nothing to do with his race. I am one of them. I could care less what color any politician is. I care about their leadership abilities, their worldviews, etc. Color is utterly irrelevant.

Frank Shaeffer (and Jeaanne Garfolo) made comments in which they called ALL conservatives and evangelicals racist and they determined that they must be racist because they didn't vote for a black man. Why else would they not vote for him?

You bring up the example of ONE woman who said she "couldn't" vote for a black man. ONE woman. Sure, there's probably others but again, there were MILLIONS who did not vote for Obama, and many of those didn't vote for him because of his views, not because he's blac,.

If I complain about "ideological victimization of conservatives" (in other words... REVERSE DISCRIMINATION... let's call it for what it is, shall we?), it's because it exists and it's real and it's prevelant... just like racism and other forms of discrimination are.

by: bhaack

07-25-2009 @ 2:12am

What you have articulated is a fusion of Michel Foucault's "Power is Knowledge" theory and Antonio Gramsci's Marxist theory of cultural hegemony.

It all so very radical chic. However, other than the recognition of the presence of injustice in this world I see no articulation of Christian values.

I applaud the Sojourners' communities concern for mercy and justice. I just wish people could check the radical political philosophy at the door. Four of today's posts (Gates, Development, Minimum Wage, Structural Violence) articulate the same tired philosophy of the political left.

Before you say it...yes much (most?) of the stuff from the political-right is old and tired as well. How about we move on from politics?

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 4:49am

And also, I grew up with best friends who were white as well as Asian, Mexican, and black. Every one of my family members, and all of my friends also have friends from every race. Every employer I have ever worked for has hired people from other races. I have friends who've married people from other races.

So, sure, racism and "ethnocentricy" exist, but not necessarily to the extent that you might believe, and if your friends are mostly "ethnocentric," then you are either choosing your friends very poorly or perhaps you do not know them very well and you assume they think that way.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-25-2009 @ 2:26am

I would be happy to dialogue about any ideas I expressed you find to be inconsistent with Jesus.

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 4:42am

"Again, not ALL Whites, but sadly a goodly percentage of those that I have personally encountered are ethnocentric."

That's certainly too bad for you. I personally have grown up knowing a "goodly percentage of those [whites]" who are not ethnocentric. I grew up with friends that were black, Mexican, Asian, and white. Makes sense since I live in California, but I honestly know no one who is ethnocentric, which amazes me that you feel you know so many who are (maybe you don't truly know them).

Where I live, we ALL work and live with people of all races and walks of life. And you will not be a successful person if you are ethnocentric. And I know those people exist, but I disagree that the majority of people are ethnocentric, or as you describe, whites who choose "bliss."

I understand your comments, but in very subtle ways, you really put down whites as being arrogant, self-centered people with better-than-thou attitudes, and honestly, I resent that.

And I think it's views like this that only perpetuate racism.

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 4:33am

"Consider the situation of an abuser and his victim. The longer the abuse, the greater the damage, the lesser the trust."

When people grow up having been abused by adults (parents or others), they are advised to seek counseling to help them to let go of the anger, bitterness, shame, etc.... the things they struggle with as a result of their abuse.

Many people who've grown up abused struggle as adults as a result. They may view the world with fear, they might feel shame, they might lack confidence. They may harbor unforgiveness.

They have a choice. They can do the necessary work they need to do in order to heal. They can choose healthy relationships, forgive their abusers (even if reconcilation is not possible), etc.

Basically, the responsibility for healing lies with the individual person who has been abused. Their outlook on life depends on the bitterness or unforgiveness they harbor and how they deal with it. Their abuser(s) may or may not make amends or seek forgiveness or change. Regardless, it's the individual choices the person makes that determine many of the outcomes of his/her life.

Isn't it pretty much the same with those who've faced any type of abuse in any form (racism, for instance)?

I mean, we can justify the reactions of the abused. We can understand where they are coming from. Etc. But... if they choose to harbor anger, unforgiveness, bitterness, etc... they will always view life through that particular lense (such as Gates viewing white policemen as racist).

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 4:24am

What I meant was we shouldn't devote more outrage/attention to racism without devoting the same outrage/attention to all other forms of discrimination, abuse, and mistreatment.

by: JamesM

07-25-2009 @ 9:13am

Those interested in pursuing reconciliation will do so like Mr. Bray has. Those interested in appearing to be the offended party and adding gas to the fire will also do so-- as you have.

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 4:04am

Your question about how do we move forward from years of sin and evil can apply in many situations.

Women, historically, have also been discriminated against, and still are in horrific ways in many nations. Children have also been highly mistreated, and still are in many nations as well as American homes. The disabled, or people who are "different" in some way, also have faced severe discrimination. Think of the lepers in Jesus' day. Think of the millions of aborted Downs Syndrome babies (aborted because of their Downs).

I personally don't feel that we, as Christians and as a nation, should devote more outrage and attention to racism against blacks. Because many people, in history and throughout the world, have suffered terrible atrocities due to discrimination, whether it be because of their gender, their age, their health, or any other thing.

It doesn't mean we negate the history of what blacks have suffered or the current things they face (high poverty, etc). It doesn't mean we dismiss racism. But where is the outrage about absuse towards women or children? Or the outrage with regards to the HUGE percentage of Downs babies aborted? Or the outrage towards the mistreatment of the elderly or disabled, etc?

Hope you get my point of what I'm tryin gto say.

Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus devote more attention towards racism. He addressess ALL types of mistreatment of people. Blacks are not the only victims. Yes, many of them have experienced mistreatment due to race, but so have millions of other humans... who've experience mistreatment due to something else about them.

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 3:52am

I don't think Sgt. Crowley cared much about Dr. Gates' stature or credentials. Should he have? Wouldn't this be favoritism?

He had a job to do. Gates could've been thankful that an officer responded to a neighbor's concern about Gates house. Instead, he accused him of racism and was uncooperative.

I don't think it mattered to Sgt. Crowley whether Gates was black or white, a Harvard professor or a poor, homeless man. Police should not give preference or special treatment to someone because they are a Harvard professor or otherwise.

And it's good to know that there are officers out there who don't play favorites and show preferential treatment due to someone's stature.

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 3:47am

Great comments, and I do think that Gates was "making Crowley pay for this sins of his predecessors" (not necessarily police, but white).

And if it were a black cop doing his job with an irrate white suspect... would the President of the United States call it "stupid?" Would the media devote tons of coverage to it? Would Jesse Jackson address it?

Nope.

But the fact is... whites are often the victims of a very angry reverse discrimination from blacks, but somehow this is justifiable... which I think is nothing but deplorable. Racism or discrimination towards ANY person in any form is deplorable.

by: melvinbray

07-25-2009 @ 12:28pm

lumens,

are you suggesting that, after 400+ years in contribution to our fair land/country, people of color can/should only expect to be tolerated?

melvin

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 3:42am

But it doesn't justify his reaction, nor does it prove that the officer was racist.

There are people from all walks of life who carry with them past demons. A similar example is women who grew up with discrimination from men and they carry that history into situations with men. And once they are middle aged or elderly, it can be even worse, like in the case of Gates (being black, older, and disabled).

So, one can easily understand where they are coming from, BUT it certainly doesn't make valid the facts of the situation. Like in this case, Gates reaction to the officer was more about him and his "demons" than it was about the officer being racist.

It seems like there are great disparaties in America with racism vs. all other forms of discrimination and mistreatment (ageism, genderism, etc). You rarely see the media pouring this much atttention out at say an elderly person, or disabled person, or a woman, or an obese person, etc. being discriminated against. And Obama would never address some story about an obese person being unfarily treated or even a white person being discriminated against by a black person (reverse racism).

In my opinion, blacks and homosexuals have much more "clout" in this nation with regards to their grievances against mistreatment and discrimination while all other groups (elderly, disabled, obese people, disabled,e tc) do not have as much "voice."

Mistreatment due to race (if the race is a "minority" race that is not white) or sexual preference seem to draw far more attention and outrage than discrimination in other forms against other groups of people.

Why is this??

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 3:23am

Melvin, It's hard to reply to your comments because the reply box is way down at the bottom of the screen and your comments are higher up.

But anyways, what happened to me with my student was not at all a "travesty." It was a junior high kid making an accusation, but I knew I was not being racist and I had already faced several years of discrimination there (because I was a very young, blonde, thin female teacher... and some parents literally looked down on me because of it... see, discrimination exists in many forms).

Thankfully, his father just had none of it, Wouldn't even consider it and was very, very angry at his son for accusing me of racism because he got a bad grade. It could've been very different had the dad acted differently. I was very thankful for that dad's reaction. Once he spoke, it was no longer an issue. But it did not upset or traumatize me in any way. The discrimination I faced for being a young, blonde, thin female teacher did upset me a great deal, though.

Just as you say that you believe "whites" have "won" in America, I could say that men have "won" in America. And just as you say that our experiences are different because you are black and I am white, and so we won't view things the same... I could say the same about you being a man and me being a women. Women have been abused, mistreated, used, degraded, and on and on by men... no matter the color of the man. But when I meet men, and let's say they treat me rude or whatever, I do not cry "foul" or accuse them of "discrimination." I just figure that that individual person is either a jerk, or is in a bad mood, or whatever.

But I could easily, as a women, have a chip on my shoulder because of how women have been treated in America. Just like blacks can because of how whites have treated them.

The thing is... it's up to us individually to decide how we are going to view people and view life and how we are going to react to things that happen to us. Gates could've handled things soooooo differently. And Obama should not have said what he did. To me, it made a mockery of his role as President. But I believe that Obama has a "chip on the shoulder" with regards to racism, so it wasn't surprising.

And I disagree with you about life being the same for me. Where I live, I am becoming a minority. There are scholarships and financial aid for school that I would qualify for if I were Mexican, or black, but since I am white, I don't qualify for them. There are jobs I have not gotten because I am white. And female. And soon, I will be a middle-aged white female. Do you really think that you, as a black male, will suffer more discrimination than I will as a middle-aged white female?? I highly doubt it, to be honest.

And again, i am not diminishing what blacks have dealt with. But almost every single person in this life, if they live long enough, will face some sort of hateful or discriminatory treatment in one way or another. And again, it doesn't negate the mistreatment of people of color, but can you imagine a white man being discriminated against by a black man and calling "foul." No one would listen. They'd mock him. In my opinion, there is a sort of elevation of racism with regards to blacks, and while reverse racism or agism or gender discrimination, etc. also occur in this world, it seems that only racism from a white person towards a black person makes the headlines and causes people like Jesse Jacskson to stir things up.

by: Ashleigh101

07-30-2009 @ 3:05am

Melvin,

There is no hurt on my part. It's more like exasperation... feeling expasperated and a little "disgusted" with people who always play a victim role, whether they are black or some other color! But it's not that I don't feel for people who've faced discrimination. But I do not like the way that many blacks practice reverse discrimination because they think all whites are just uppity racists. And I don't feel it should be always my responsibility to prove to them that I am not. I feel that they also have the responsiblity to not accuse someone of racism just because they've experienced it.

So much of life is all about a person's own attitude. I have a very close friend who is a very, very black man (so black, all you see are the whites of his eyes in photos). I have never once in all my life heard or seen him accuse anyone of racism or discrimination or get caught up in that whole thing. He's never acted like he needed "reconciliation" based on his skin color. He doesn't talk about reconciliation or racism and he never acts like a victim. He simply lives his life, has a great attitude, and he just has never acted like his race or anyone else's race was any kind of issue whatsoever.

And he's a terrific guy, maybe someone who is so busy with his ministries and family, etc. that he just doesn't have the time to worry about whether or not he's being discriminated against.

Because the truth is, almost everyone in this life will at one time or another face discrimination. It might not be based on race. It could be based on gender or age or even looks. I would venture to say that obese people in today's day and age face more discrimination than blacks.

It's okay to not hire an obese person because of their weight. Or to splash their pictures in a tabloid in order to mock them or slander them. Or how about all the middle-aged, and older, people who face discrimination based on their age?

But if anyone dare refuse a black person a job based on color or splashed their photo in a tabloid in order to mock them. NO WAY! I mean, there are blacks who get jobs just because they are black. Or in the case, where I live, Mexicans who get job because they are Mexican.

And I agree that racism is wrong, but there is like this "double standard" and this victim mentality. It's understandable given the history of blacks in this nation... it's the same sort of mentality that causes some women to become ultra-feminist (man-haters) because they've faced abuse/discrimination from men.

So I am not diminishing what blacks deal with as far as racism and discrimination. Obviously, it does exist. But there are a lot of people of color who won't move beyond it. Who are bitter because of it. Who watch for it (like Gates does) and jump to the conclusion that someone is racist if they are mistreated in any way.

And then there are people of color who just live their lives and choose to not be bitter and choose to forgive and choose to not make it a big issue. It doesn't mean they don't ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist. But... there are people whose lives seem so caught up in the racism issue. I like Colin Powell's reaction to it where he said he's been a victim of it, and so bascially... deal with it.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-24-2009 @ 7:36pm

Appreciate your piece. It reflects the unique contribution of your heart, mind and experience--and a gift to those who would receive.

Thank you.

by: SisterMarie

07-28-2009 @ 10:08am

I grew up in a small town not more than 5 miles from Dr. Gates's hometown. (As a matter of fact, I snapped a couple pictures of Piedmont, WV as I returned from a family reunion a month ago.) I can tell you that he no doubt experienced a lot of racial prejudice during his childhood. Carrying that kind of history into a situation where he is confronted by a white policeman in his own home, I can certainly understand why he reacted as he did. Add to that equation his advanced age (late 50s), his stature (5'7") and his physical disability, it is hard for me to understand why he was arrested after he presented evidence of his identity.

I would not have been surprised if this incident had occurred in South Africa 20 years ago or in the deep South 50 years ago. What does surprise me is the reaction of so many people here on this blog in 2009. They no doubt would have interpreted Bull Connors's use of fire hoses on civil rights demonstrators as "crowd control."

by: jeffp

07-24-2009 @ 7:44pm

One thing is certain. The good professor acted in a racist manor.

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2009 @ 1:39pm

I personally feel that there is this perpetual racism "chip-on-the-shoulder" with a lot of black America. No matter what, they will always see themselves as victims and always be on the lookout 24/7 for racism.

Well, if you've constantly experienced that the way some people have you might as well. When I was in college, in my Northern major-metro area, in the early 1980s -- and I certainly did not have a chip on my shoulder -- I was actually asked to leave an evangelical Christian campus fellowship only because I was black; when I refused to, one of the pastors of the sponsoring church tried to push me out. Again, I wouldn't budge. (Meanwhile, student leadership represented just about every ethnic group imaginable.)

And here's another issue to consider: The Boston area has long been a hotbed of racism. My late stepdad attended Boston University in the 1940s, and he referred to the city as being "up South." And also remember that it resisted school desegregation in the 1970s -- at times violently.

by: lumens

07-24-2009 @ 7:52pm

"if the driver's license and faculty ID didn't exonerate, what would have sufficed?"

Stepping on the porch for a second as he was asked to do. But Gates had already profiled the police officer as a racist thug, so he didn't do so.

Are neighbors required not only to know the identity of everyone within a several-block radius, but their limo drivers as well?

Are police officers required to know where all the high profile Harvard professors live, and know them by the sound of their voice? Or just the black ones?

What would a robber say when confronted by police in a similar situation? Wouldn't they do their best to pretend they had every reason to be on the property? Maybe claim they were being persecuted because of race, since such claims are (as has been demonstrated) credulously embraced by the very sort of folks who reside in Cambridge?

Does Melvin really think that this case has advanced the cause of racial tolerance in this country? I can guarantee you it has not.

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2009 @ 1:28pm

Then I say you don't know about the underpinnings of the modern conservative movement, a lot of which actually was about race. In fact, the Republican Party made serious inroads in the South, which up to the 1960s was solidly Democratic, by subtly stoking racial fears (see "The Fall of Conservatism" by George Packer in the New Yorker; he actually interviewed Nixon aide Pat Buchanan, who specifically explained to him how they did it). Every political campaign that Ronald Reagan ever ran (except for president in 1984, by which time it wasn't necessary) had a racist tinge to it.

As for Frank Schaeffer, he is in fact right. Here in my heavily Democratic state (which went heavily for Hillary Clinton in the primary last year), one woman who was interviewed in my newspaper admitted that she couldn't vote for a black man; a union leader chided her for saying that. And I believe that it took the economic downturn and McCain's response to it to swing people toward Obama. (Had Hillary won the nomination she would have had a far higher electoral vote count because she, in large part due to Bill, was very well-liked in the South.)

And let me tell you something else: In my view, you complain about ideological victimization of conservatives in the very same way you say African-Americans (of which I am one) complain about race.

by: 1Grace

07-25-2009 @ 5:00pm

I thought it was enlightening and thoughtful , but used the blame squarely on one individual and circumstances . I think leaving the blame out between these two would have helped the dialog . I can't really put myself in either shoes , in my ill spent youth i had a car that was pulled over quite a bit because of my associations back then , but it was nothing like being harassed for race. I have had to implement security in areas where people were not going with the plan In my job , but nothing like the possible danger a police officer is always walking into .

I think the President was late but had the right idea , that these two respected men in their fields should get together and have a beer , if they are believers a prayer before they begin to speak would help , but the president goofed with the stupidly comment , just making it more political and less dialog .

Easier to listen when your not being blamed and motives being subjected to racism and such , its the sin of our culture that is the most brutal and hence will make you more defensive , unable to listen I think.

Mick

by: scat

07-27-2009 @ 1:56am

Thank you for your enlightening remarks. Strangely some of your remarks reminded me of things that I experienced when I realized I was being treated differently because of my age! All of a sudden it seemed that the only thing certain people saw was that number as though it was painted on my forhead. My talent,ability, experience meant nothing. And the first time was when I was only 42! I think we all need to experience that kind of prejudice of not being seen for what we are but only for some "disability" that makes us ineligible or unqualified or undeserving.
Of course the solution is for more interaction between people of different ethnicities. I live in a highly multi-cultural area and really enjoy getting to know people from different backgrounds but sometimes it's hard to get past the wall that so many seem to build up to keep others out. What you call ethnocentricity is really a rather common human trait. It is something that we need to make a conscious effort to get past, kind of like jingoism. Ethnocentricity was reinforced for most of us adults by the media we grew up with. It's only been in the last couple of decades that non-whites started being portrayed as everyday people, ie: neighbors, cops, doctors, etc. You are right that some people choose to remain bllissfully ignorant of any other point of view, way of life or experience other than their own. But they aren't always white people.

by: reformer

07-27-2009 @ 1:04am

Here are a couple of questions to help illuminate the issue:
If it were a black cop dong his job and a white suspect who was yelling insults at the cop, should the cop just disregard the clamor and leave? What would happen in court if Professor Gates started yelling at the judge, calling him a racist judge who engaged in racial profiling? Would the judge just ignore it?
Might Gates have been making Crowley pay for the sins of his police predecessors rather than for any abuse Crowley committed?

by: Ashleigh101

07-25-2009 @ 5:05pm

I totally agree. Gates acted as if he should've got preferential treatment because he's a Harvard professor (I believe he said, "Do you know who I am" to the officer). He should've been grateful that police were quick to act on reports of a break-in. If my neighbor thought they saw someone break-in to my house (even if it was me), I'd be glad to know first of all, that the neighbor called the police and secondly, that the police responded and demanded to see proof, etc.

Just like you said, a thief could easily say "this is my house." White, black, or whatever, the officer had every reason to ask to see his ID, and then when he became biligerent, to arrest him. Officers are there to uphold the law, and when people don't cooperate... well, they are just idiotic at that point. Sure, not all officers do the right thing. In every profession, there are corrupt people. But this case doesn't sound like that at all.

It sounds like a black man with a huge chip-on-his-shoulder who sees racists behind every shadow, and he's quick to play the victim card, as many blacks do, and it sure didn't help matters for the President of the United States to only coddle Gates and stir things up. At that point, he was acting more like a community organizer than as the U.S. President.

by: Ashleigh101

07-25-2009 @ 5:16pm

I don't believe that anyone is suggesting that. It's like, by your very comment, you are asking lumens if he is being "racist."

I believe there is a lot of bitterness that many blacks hold on to, even over crimes that were never committed against them but that were committed against other blacks. But they hold onto bitterness and they see racism in almost every white person.... whether the person looks at them wrong or arrests them.

I am white and a teacher, and I once had a black student who accused me of being racist because I gave him a bad grade. Fortunately, his father would have none of it and severely reprimanded him for acting that way. But it could've been very different. His father could've suued me. Al Sharpton could've made a big announcement about the racist white teacher. Obama could've chided me in a press conference.

Personally, I feel that whites "can't win" in this whole racism thing because no matter what, they will be accused of being racist, even if they aren't.

I've also had black students who got bad grades and didn't for one second think it had to do with their skin color. It's all in the person's perspective.

Gates probably views any white person who doesn't treat him the way he believes he "deserves" to be treated as being racist, and in the end, I think this whole thing is only going to expose that about him, and it will probably set race relations back because I think alot of whites (myself included) are getting exasperated with being called "racist" for every perceived slight by people of color.

I, for instance, did not vote for Obama, and all of us white people who didn't vote for him or don't currently support him.... we are always being accused of being racist. It's ridiculous.

by: duhsciple

07-24-2009 @ 8:19pm

To whom does the "manor" belong? :)

by: duhsciple

07-24-2009 @ 8:23pm

what would melvin have to say in order to advance racial tolerance in this country?

i found the article honest and reflective about an ambiguous episode which certainly resonates one way based on his life experience (being a suspect for being black) that i have not experienced

i pray that we listen to one another's perspectives with grace

by: letjusticerolldown

07-24-2009 @ 8:24pm

I think you put your finger on the heart of the issue that no police officer (righteous or unrighteous) can really resolve. i.e. correcting the balance of power

I believe I understand your meaning in your comment. Dr Gates needed to be put "in his place."

Police officers are tasked with establishing and maintaining, with force (if needed), the order of law. Of course, that order of law has historically been racist. And many have not been able to secure their own safety, dignity and humanity within that order.

So for the officer behind the badge the decision becomes a choice between order/injustice and disorder/justice.

This is what we task police officers with everyday. And the tools we give them to solve the unsolvable are the power of arrest, the gun, and whatever creativity they have.

And likewise, Dr Gates, and millions of invisible, black males face completely unfair dilemmas in encounters with police.

We must use these flashpoint tensions around policing to converse, learn and change. But I think we also need to recognize that although there is much to accomplish in improving police-community processes--the fundamental issues cannot be projected onto police officers to solve in the streets; nor can we demand the Dr Gates of the world to put up with police misconduct or cast aside all wariness because police have such a difficult job.

Simply put: The law demands submission. A racist history demands that for justice to reign people must refuse to submit. Resolution demands a transformation.

by: ando

07-24-2009 @ 10:04pm

One viewpoint I heard -- what would have been different if Prof. Gates hadn't been a prominent African American? It could also be construed as a class issue: an uppity scholar vs. a working class police officer. Does class trump race? Like the OJ trial.

by: TDC

07-24-2009 @ 10:27pm

World Renowned Apologist Struggles with Stupidity

http://thedailychange.com/

by: NONKIMONO

07-24-2009 @ 10:45pm

I need a little clarification here. If the author can say that he is "still not certain Sgt. Crowley, the officer in the situation, engaged in racial discrimination", but in the same breath say, " the police officer's actions clearly demonstrate discrimination to me"; the question is begging to be asked. What type of discrimination does the author feel the officer is guilty of? Likewise, how can the author say "the incident has definite racial overtones ", and say, that he is "still not certain Sgt. Crowley, the officer in the situation, engaged in racial discrimination"? So what are the overtones?

by: lumens

07-24-2009 @ 11:52pm

He could do away with the a priori dismissal of officer Crowley's case, and include all the relevant details. The needless potshot at the neighbor who called the cops was just petty.

Perspective is fine. Ascribing motives is not, and racial disparity is not an excuse to do so. Barack Obama is learning that the hard way.

by: bhaack

07-25-2009 @ 2:12am

What you have articulated is a fusion of Michel Foucault's "Power is Knowledge" theory and Antonio Gramsci's Marxist theory of cultural hegemony.

It all so very radical chic. However, other than the recognition of the presence of injustice in this world I see no articulation of Christian values.

I applaud the Sojourners' communities concern for mercy and justice. I just wish people could check the radical political philosophy at the door. Four of today's posts (Gates, Development, Minimum Wage, Structural Violence) articulate the same tired philosophy of the political left.

Before you say it...yes much (most?) of the stuff from the political-right is old and tired as well. How about we move on from politics?

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by: letjusticerolldown

07-24-2009 @ 7:36pm

Appreciate your piece. It reflects the unique contribution of your heart, mind and experience--and a gift to those who would receive.

Thank you.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-24-2009 @ 7:36pm

Appreciate your piece. It reflects the unique contribution of your heart, mind and experience--and a gift to those who would receive.

Thank you.

by: jeffp

07-24-2009 @ 7:44pm

One thing is certain. The good professor acted in a racist manor.

by: jeffp

07-24-2009 @ 7:44pm

One thing is certain. The good professor acted in a racist manor.

by: lumens

07-24-2009 @ 7:52pm

"if the driver's license and faculty ID didn't exonerate, what would have sufficed?"

Stepping on the porch for a second as he was asked to do. But Gates had already profiled the police officer as a racist thug, so he didn't do so.

Are neighbors required not only to know the identity of everyone within a several-block radius, but their limo drivers as well?

Are police officers required to know where all the high profile Harvard professors live, and know them by the sound of their voice? Or just the black ones?

What would a robber say when confronted by police in a similar situation? Wouldn't they do their best to pretend they had every reason to be on the property? Maybe claim they were being persecuted because of race, since such claims are (as has been demonstrated) credulously embraced by the very sort of folks who reside in Cambridge?

Does Melvin really think that this case has advanced the cause of racial tolerance in this country? I can guarantee you it has not.

by: lumens

07-24-2009 @ 7:52pm

"if the driver's license and faculty ID didn't exonerate, what would have sufficed?"

Stepping on the porch for a second as he was asked to do. But Gates had already profiled the police officer as a racist thug, so he didn't do so.

Are neighbors required not only to know the identity of everyone within a several-block radius, but their limo drivers as well?

Are police officers required to know where all the high profile Harvard professors live, and know them by the sound of their voice? Or just the black ones?

What would a robber say when confronted by police in a similar situation? Wouldn't they do their best to pretend they had every reason to be on the property? Maybe claim they were being persecuted because of race, since such claims are (as has been demonstrated) credulously embraced by the very sort of folks who reside in Cambridge?

Does Melvin really think that this case has advanced the cause of racial tolerance in this country? I can guarantee you it has not.

by: duhsciple

07-24-2009 @ 8:19pm

To whom does the "manor" belong? :)

by: duhsciple

07-24-2009 @ 8:19pm

To whom does the "manor" belong? :)

by: duhsciple

07-24-2009 @ 8:23pm

what would melvin have to say in order to advance racial tolerance in this country?

i found the article honest and reflective about an ambiguous episode which certainly resonates one way based on his life experience (being a suspect for being black) that i have not experienced

i pray that we listen to one another's perspectives with grace

by: duhsciple

07-24-2009 @ 8:23pm

what would melvin have to say in order to advance racial tolerance in this country?

i found the article honest and reflective about an ambiguous episode which certainly resonates one way based on his life experience (being a suspect for being black) that i have not experienced

i pray that we listen to one another's perspectives with grace

by: letjusticerolldown

07-24-2009 @ 8:24pm

I think you put your finger on the heart of the issue that no police officer (righteous or unrighteous) can really resolve. i.e. correcting the balance of power

I believe I understand your meaning in your comment. Dr Gates needed to be put "in his place."

Police officers are tasked with establishing and maintaining, with force (if needed), the order of law. Of course, that order of law has historically been racist. And many have not been able to secure their own safety, dignity and humanity within that order.

So for the officer behind the badge the decision becomes a choice between order/injustice and disorder/justice.

This is what we task police officers with everyday. And the tools we give them to solve the unsolvable are the power of arrest, the gun, and whatever creativity they have.

And likewise, Dr Gates, and millions of invisible, black males face completely unfair dilemmas in encounters with police.

We must use these flashpoint tensions around policing to converse, learn and change. But I think we also need to recognize that although there is much to accomplish in improving police-community processes--the fundamental issues cannot be projected onto police officers to solve in the streets; nor can we demand the Dr Gates of the world to put up with police misconduct or cast aside all wariness because police have such a difficult job.

Simply put: The law demands submission. A racist history demands that for justice to reign people must refuse to submit. Resolution demands a transformation.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-24-2009 @ 8:24pm

I think you put your finger on the heart of the issue that no police officer (righteous or unrighteous) can really resolve. i.e. correcting the balance of power

I believe I understand your meaning in your comment. Dr Gates needed to be put "in his place."

Police officers are tasked with establishing and maintaining, with force (if needed), the order of law. Of course, that order of law has historically been racist. And many have not been able to secure their own safety, dignity and humanity within that order.

So for the officer behind the badge the decision becomes a choice between order/injustice and disorder/justice.

This is what we task police officers with everyday. And the tools we give them to solve the unsolvable are the power of arrest, the gun, and whatever creativity they have.

And likewise, Dr Gates, and millions of invisible, black males face completely unfair dilemmas in encounters with police.

We must use these flashpoint tensions around policing to converse, learn and change. But I think we also need to recognize that although there is much to accomplish in improving police-community processes--the fundamental issues cannot be projected onto police officers to solve in the streets; nor can we demand the Dr Gates of the world to put up with police misconduct or cast aside all wariness because police have such a difficult job.

Simply put: The law demands submission. A racist history demands that for justice to reign people must refuse to submit. Resolution demands a transformation.

by: ando

07-24-2009 @ 10:04pm

One viewpoint I heard -- what would have been different if Prof. Gates hadn't been a prominent African American? It could also be construed as a class issue: an uppity scholar vs. a working class police officer. Does class trump race? Like the OJ trial.

by: ando

07-24-2009 @ 10:04pm

One viewpoint I heard -- what would have been different if Prof. Gates hadn't been a prominent African American? It could also be construed as a class issue: an uppity scholar vs. a working class police officer. Does class trump race? Like the OJ trial.

by: TDC

07-24-2009 @ 10:27pm

World Renowned Apologist Struggles with Stupidity

http://thedailychange.com/

by: TDC

07-24-2009 @ 10:27pm

World Renowned Apologist Struggles with Stupidity

http://thedailychange.com/

by: NONKIMONO

07-24-2009 @ 10:45pm

I need a little clarification here. If the author can say that he is "still not certain Sgt. Crowley, the officer in the situation, engaged in racial discrimination", but in the same breath say, " the police officer's actions clearly demonstrate discrimination to me"; the question is begging to be asked. What type of discrimination does the author feel the officer is guilty of? Likewise, how can the author say "the incident has definite racial overtones ", and say, that he is "still not certain Sgt. Crowley, the officer in the situation, engaged in racial discrimination"? So what are the overtones?

by: NONKIMONO

07-24-2009 @ 10:45pm

I need a little clarification here. If the author can say that he is "still not certain Sgt. Crowley, the officer in the situation, engaged in racial discrimination", but in the same breath say, " the police officer's actions clearly demonstrate discrimination to me"; the question is begging to be asked. What type of discrimination does the author feel the officer is guilty of? Likewise, how can the author say "the incident has definite racial overtones ", and say, that he is "still not certain Sgt. Crowley, the officer in the situation, engaged in racial discrimination"? So what are the overtones?

by: lumens

07-24-2009 @ 11:52pm

He could do away with the a priori dismissal of officer Crowley's case, and include all the relevant details. The needless potshot at the neighbor who called the cops was just petty.

Perspective is fine. Ascribing motives is not, and racial disparity is not an excuse to do so. Barack Obama is learning that the hard way.

by: lumens

07-24-2009 @ 11:52pm

He could do away with the a priori dismissal of officer Crowley's case, and include all the relevant details. The needless potshot at the neighbor who called the cops was just petty.

Perspective is fine. Ascribing motives is not, and racial disparity is not an excuse to do so. Barack Obama is learning that the hard way.

by: bhaack

07-25-2009 @ 2:12am

What you have articulated is a fusion of Michel Foucault's "Power is Knowledge" theory and Antonio Gramsci's Marxist theory of cultural hegemony.

It all so very radical chic. However, other than the recognition of the presence of injustice in this world I see no articulation of Christian values.

I applaud the Sojourners' communities concern for mercy and justice. I just wish people could check the radical political philosophy at the door. Four of today's posts (Gates, Development, Minimum Wage, Structural Violence) articulate the same tired philosophy of the political left.

Before you say it...yes much (most?) of the stuff from the political-right is old and tired as well. How about we move on from politics?

by: bhaack

07-25-2009 @ 2:12am

What you have articulated is a fusion of Michel Foucault's "Power is Knowledge" theory and Antonio Gramsci's Marxist theory of cultural hegemony.

It all so very radical chic. However, other than the recognition of the presence of injustice in this world I see no articulation of Christian values.

I applaud the Sojourners' communities concern for mercy and justice. I just wish people could check the radical political philosophy at the door. Four of today's posts (Gates, Development, Minimum Wage, Structural Violence) articulate the same tired philosophy of the political left.

Before you say it...yes much (most?) of the stuff from the political-right is old and tired as well. How about we move on from politics?

by: letjusticerolldown

07-25-2009 @ 2:26am

I would be happy to dialogue about any ideas I expressed you find to be inconsistent with Jesus.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-25-2009 @ 2:26am

I would be happy to dialogue about any ideas I expressed you find to be inconsistent with Jesus.

by: JamesM

07-25-2009 @ 9:13am

Those interested in pursuing reconciliation will do so like Mr. Bray has. Those interested in appearing to be the offended party and adding gas to the fire will also do so-- as you have.

by: JamesM

07-25-2009 @ 9:13am

Those interested in pursuing reconciliation will do so like Mr. Bray has. Those interested in appearing to be the offended party and adding gas to the fire will also do so-- as you have.

by: melvinbray

07-25-2009 @ 12:28pm

lumens,

are you suggesting that, after 400+ years in contribution to our fair land/country, people of color can/should only expect to be tolerated?

melvin

by: melvinbray

07-25-2009 @ 12:28pm

lumens,

are you suggesting that, after 400+ years in contribution to our fair land/country, people of color can/should only expect to be tolerated?

melvin

by: 1Grace

07-25-2009 @ 5:00pm

I thought it was enlightening and thoughtful , but used the blame squarely on one individual and circumstances . I think leaving the blame out between these two would have helped the dialog . I can't really put myself in either shoes , in my ill spent youth i had a car that was pulled over quite a bit because of my associations back then , but it was nothing like being harassed for race. I have had to implement security in areas where people were not going with the plan In my job , but nothing like the possible danger a police officer is always walking into .

I think the President was late but had the right idea , that these two respected men in their fields should get together and have a beer , if they are believers a prayer before they begin to speak would help , but the president goofed with the stupidly comment , just making it more political and less dialog .

Easier to listen when your not being blamed and motives being subjected to racism and such , its the sin of our culture that is the most brutal and hence will make you more defensive , unable to listen I think.

Mick

by: 1Grace

07-25-2009 @ 5:00pm

I thought it was enlightening and thoughtful , but used the blame squarely on one individual and circumstances . I think leaving the blame out between these two would have helped the dialog . I can't really put myself in either shoes , in my ill spent youth i had a car that was pulled over quite a bit because of my associations back then , but it was nothing like being harassed for race. I have had to implement security in areas where people were not going with the plan In my job , but nothing like the possible danger a police officer is always walking into .

I think the President was late but had the right idea , that these two respected men in their fields should get together and have a beer , if they are believers a prayer before they begin to speak would help , but the president goofed with the stupidly comment , just making it more political and less dialog .

Easier to listen when your not being blamed and motives being subjected to racism and such , its the sin of our culture that is the most brutal and hence will make you more defensive , unable to listen I think.

Mick

by: Ashleigh101

07-25-2009 @ 5:05pm

I totally agree. Gates acted as if he should've got preferential treatment because he's a Harvard professor (I believe he said, "Do you know who I am" to the officer). He should've been grateful that police were quick to act on reports of a break-in. If my neighbor thought they saw someone break-in to my house (even if it was me), I'd be glad to know first of all, that the neighbor called the police and secondly, that the police responded and demanded to see proof, etc.

Just like you said, a thief could easily say "this is my house." White, black, or whatever, the officer had every reason to ask to see his ID, and then when he became biligerent, to arrest him. Officers are there to uphold the law, and when people don't cooperate... well, they are just idiotic at that point. Sure, not all officers do the right thing. In every profession, there are corrupt people. But this case doesn't sound like that at all.

It sounds like a black man with a huge chip-on-his-shoulder who sees racists behind every shadow, and he's quick to play the victim card, as many blacks do, and it sure didn't help matters for the President of the United States to only coddle Gates and stir things up. At that point, he was acting more like a community organizer than as the U.S. President.

by: Ashleigh101

07-25-2009 @ 5:05pm

I totally agree. Gates acted as if he should've got preferential treatment because he's a Harvard professor (I believe he said, "Do you know who I am" to the officer). He should've been grateful that police were quick to act on reports of a break-in. If my neighbor thought they saw someone break-in to my house (even if it was me), I'd be glad to know first of all, that the neighbor called the police and secondly, that the police responded and demanded to see proof, etc.

Just like you said, a thief could easily say "this is my house." White, black, or whatever, the officer had every reason to ask to see his ID, and then when he became biligerent, to arrest him. Officers are there to uphold the law, and when people don't cooperate... well, they are just idiotic at that point. Sure, not all officers do the right thing. In every profession, there are corrupt people. But this case doesn't sound like that at all.

It sounds like a black man with a huge chip-on-his-shoulder who sees racists behind every shadow, and he's quick to play the victim card, as many blacks do, and it sure didn't help matters for the President of the United States to only coddle Gates and stir things up. At that point, he was acting more like a community organizer than as the U.S. President.

by: Ashleigh101

07-25-2009 @ 5:16pm

I don't believe that anyone is suggesting that. It's like, by your very comment, you are asking lumens if he is being "racist."

I believe there is a lot of bitterness that many blacks hold on to, even over crimes that were never committed against them but that were committed against other blacks. But they hold onto bitterness and they see racism in almost every white person.... whether the person looks at them wrong or arrests them.

I am white and a teacher, and I once had a black student who accused me of being racist because I gave him a bad grade. Fortunately, his father would have none of it and severely reprimanded him for acting that way. But it could've been very different. His father could've suued me. Al Sharpton could've made a big announcement about the racist white teacher. Obama could've chided me in a press conference.

Personally, I feel that whites "can't win" in this whole racism thing because no matter what, they will be accused of being racist, even if they aren't.

I've also had black students who got bad grades and didn't for one second think it had to do with their skin color. It's all in the person's perspective.

Gates probably views any white person who doesn't treat him the way he believes he "deserves" to be treated as being racist, and in the end, I think this whole thing is only going to expose that about him, and it will probably set race relations back because I think alot of whites (myself included) are getting exasperated with being called "racist" for every perceived slight by people of color.

I, for instance, did not vote for Obama, and all of us white people who didn't vote for him or don't currently support him.... we are always being accused of being racist. It's ridiculous.

by: Ashleigh101

07-25-2009 @ 5:16pm

I don't believe that anyone is suggesting that. It's like, by your very comment, you are asking lumens if he is being "racist."

I believe there is a lot of bitterness that many blacks hold on to, even over crimes that were never committed against them but that were committed against other blacks. But they hold onto bitterness and they see racism in almost every white person.... whether the person looks at them wrong or arrests them.

I am white and a teacher, and I once had a black student who accused me of being racist because I gave him a bad grade. Fortunately, his father would have none of it and severely reprimanded him for acting that way. But it could've been very different. His father could've suued me. Al Sharpton could've made a big announcement about the racist white teacher. Obama could've chided me in a press conference.

Personally, I feel that whites "can't win" in this whole racism thing because no matter what, they will be accused of being racist, even if they aren't.

I've also had black students who got bad grades and didn't for one second think it had to do with their skin color. It's all in the person's perspective.

Gates probably views any white person who doesn't treat him the way he believes he "deserves" to be treated as being racist, and in the end, I think this whole thing is only going to expose that about him, and it will probably set race relations back because I think alot of whites (myself included) are getting exasperated with being called "racist" for every perceived slight by people of color.

I, for instance, did not vote for Obama, and all of us white people who didn't vote for him or don't currently support him.... we are always being accused of being racist. It's ridiculous.

by: lumens

07-25-2009 @ 5:37pm

Setting aside the liguistic/philosphical question of how or whether tolerance conceptually exceeds it's dictionary definition...

Whatever your stated aim in terms of racial reconciliation, I don't think you can argue that this instance helps to achieve it. We have a situation where Barack Obama offered brusque commentary on an issue about which he knew essentially nothing. You can't create a teachable moment before you have all the facts.

My question was not intended to limit this circumstance to a matter of tolerance, but to wonder what it achieves generally.

by: lumens

07-25-2009 @ 5:37pm

Setting aside the liguistic/philosphical question of how or whether tolerance conceptually exceeds it's dictionary definition...

Whatever your stated aim in terms of racial reconciliation, I don't think you can argue that this instance helps to achieve it. We have a situation where Barack Obama offered brusque commentary on an issue about which he knew essentially nothing. You can't create a teachable moment before you have all the facts.

My question was not intended to limit this circumstance to a matter of tolerance, but to wonder what it achieves generally.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-25-2009 @ 9:33pm

"I, for instance, did not vote for Obama, and all of us white people who didn't vote for him or don't currently support him.... we are always being accused of being racist. It's ridiculous."

I am curious about your experience with this. How/when/where are you getting accused of being racist for not supporting Obama?

by: letjusticerolldown

07-25-2009 @ 9:33pm

"I, for instance, did not vote for Obama, and all of us white people who didn't vote for him or don't currently support him.... we are always being accused of being racist. It's ridiculous."

I am curious about your experience with this. How/when/where are you getting accused of being racist for not supporting Obama?

by: letjusticerolldown

07-25-2009 @ 9:34pm

", I don't think you can argue that this instance helps to achieve it?

Doesn't that depend on what we do with it???

by: letjusticerolldown

07-25-2009 @ 9:34pm

", I don't think you can argue that this instance helps to achieve it?

Doesn't that depend on what we do with it???

by: melvinbray

07-26-2009 @ 2:30pm

ashleigh101,

i hear your hurt. i apologize if i have added to it.

i did not use the term "racist," because that is not what i meant. as i understand it, racism has to do with the exercise of power in order to substantial inconvenience the terms upon which the other negotiates her/his life. i did not see how that applies here. i am so sorry that term has been so maliciously applied to you. based on what you describe, it was a travesty of misapplication.

however, the word "racism" does have meaning and is still necessary. as loath as i am to admit it, if we recognize race as the primary demographic marker, whites have "won" in America (that's what colonization, slavery and the settling of America was about; it is why those who are not white are still left to lobby for parity; our rights to it are still in someone else's hands). because of this, by and large, our experiences are different. we must accept this. there are ways in which America works that make intuitive sense to you to a degree it likely never will for me. moreover, should nothing in the way things work change, your life (liberty and pursuit of happiness), concerns, politics, ambitions, sense of what is best would remain pretty much the same. to the contrary, many of these things for me have been and continue to be predicated on change. because parity has historically been systemically and structurally denied for reasons of race, we need to be able to name and challenge those who would seek to stand in the way of that change in part for racial reasons.

but that was not the case here. in fact, i did not even think lumens meant what his statement about tolerance implied-but that was the language he used. and if you notice, "tolerance" is not language that historically marginalized groups have initiated to speak of their own causes. it is the language of privilege; such terms are set by a dominant culture to preserve an upper hand in conversation (i.e. to highjack the goals of a struggle, to bracket out particular issues or potential resolutions, to minimize hopes, etc). it is language to which historically marginalized groups resign themselves for the privilege of having any public dialogue at all.

my goal is never (okay, seldom ;-) to stop conversation, but i find it important to protect the course of difficult conversations so that they don't wind up in the same stagnant place they often end up. the goal of our dialogue should be generative, and as you note, it can't be if we remain defensive of old harms (although we must appreciate that old scars are often tender). conversation also can't be generative if one party sets all the terms, particularly terms that minimize another's pain or holds suspect another's best intentions. i hope i have not done that to you; that is what i was seeking to forestall in lumens' contribution.

lumens, i am sorry if i offended in the way i challenged you to either own or correct your intentions.

melvin

by: melvinbray

07-26-2009 @ 2:30pm

ashleigh101,

i hear your hurt. i apologize if i have added to it.

i did not use the term "racist," because that is not what i meant. as i understand it, racism has to do with the exercise of power in order to substantial inconvenience the terms upon which the other negotiates her/his life. i did not see how that applies here. i am so sorry that term has been so maliciously applied to you. based on what you describe, it was a travesty of misapplication.

however, the word "racism" does have meaning and is still necessary. as loath as i am to admit it, if we recognize race as the primary demographic marker, whites have "won" in America (that's what colonization, slavery and the settling of America was about; it is why those who are not white are still left to lobby for parity; our rights to it are still in someone else's hands). because of this, by and large, our experiences are different. we must accept this. there are ways in which America works that make intuitive sense to you to a degree it likely never will for me. moreover, should nothing in the way things work change, your life (liberty and pursuit of happiness), concerns, politics, ambitions, sense of what is best would remain pretty much the same. to the contrary, many of these things for me have been and continue to be predicated on change. because parity has historically been systemically and structurally denied for reasons of race, we need to be able to name and challenge those who would seek to stand in the way of that change in part for racial reasons.

but that was not the case here. in fact, i did not even think lumens meant what his statement about tolerance implied-but that was the language he used. and if you notice, "tolerance" is not language that historically marginalized groups have initiated to speak of their own causes. it is the language of privilege; such terms are set by a dominant culture to preserve an upper hand in conversation (i.e. to highjack the goals of a struggle, to bracket out particular issues or potential resolutions, to minimize hopes, etc). it is language to which historically marginalized groups resign themselves for the privilege of having any public dialogue at all.

my goal is never (okay, seldom ;-) to stop conversation, but i find it important to protect the course of difficult conversations so that they don't wind up in the same stagnant place they often end up. the goal of our dialogue should be generative, and as you note, it can't be if we remain defensive of old harms (although we must appreciate that old scars are often tender). conversation also can't be generative if one party sets all the terms, particularly terms that minimize another's pain or holds suspect another's best intentions. i hope i have not done that to you; that is what i was seeking to forestall in lumens' contribution.

lumens, i am sorry if i offended in the way i challenged you to either own or correct your intentions.

melvin

by: lumens

07-26-2009 @ 6:35pm

I wasn't offended. I readily concede that the treacly language of tolerance did not emanate from the marginalized groups seeking redress.

We can certainly agree, I think, that a desirable and necessary component of reconciliation is a change in perception. In this instance, there are dueling perceptual paradigms at work, each delineating victimhood in racial terms.

The first is a criminal/victim/hero paradigm, whereby a white victim (tangible or no) is besieged by a black assailant, only to be saved by a white hero. The second is an oppressor/oppressed narrative, whereby a white oppressor leverages a cultural advantage to abrogate the rights of a black oppressed person.

In this instance, and those like it (to which Barack Obama alluded at his press conference), the validity of the latter perception is predicated on prevalence of the former. If Gates was assumed to be assailing a white victim, and the cop had taken it upon himself to be a rescuer, then Gates' perception is valid.

Alas, from a perceptive standpoint, the facts do not lend credence to the latter narrative. For starters, since Gates was the homeowner, he was effectively being rescued from himself. There was no white victim.

Second, it is not at all clear that Crowley saw himself as any sort of rescuer or hero. This is clear both from the circumstances (Crowley merely asked Gates to step outside onto the porch), and from his career trajectory (years of teaching classes on racial profiling).

Thus, it appears that Gates was not the oppressed. Unfortunately, he continues to insist, and Obama has reinforced, that he was so. And so, the tables of perception turn, whereby officer Crowley seems unfairly maligned. Just as no law-abiding black man wishes to be deemed an assailant, no officer of integrity wants to be regarded as an oppressor.

If this is to represent any sort of "teachable moment" (and if you want to relegate that nauseous term to the dustbin of history, I'll be the first to sign your petition), there must be a certain universality. In other words, people will judge future circumstances based on the conclusions drawn from this one.

If the lesson learned is that one can self-identify as oppressed when they are not so, the term will lose meaning. Those who are sincerely oppressed will lose the battle of perception. They'll be "another Skip Gates". Worse, the underlying problematic narrative will be summarily dismissed.

Facts matter. While our society is willing to accrue benefit of the doubt to the person whose race has been historically oppressed, in will not do so against reason.

by: lumens

07-26-2009 @ 6:35pm

I wasn't offended. I readily concede that the treacly language of tolerance did not emanate from the marginalized groups seeking redress.

We can certainly agree, I think, that a desirable and necessary component of reconciliation is a change in perception. In this instance, there are dueling perceptual paradigms at work, each delineating victimhood in racial terms.

The first is a criminal/victim/hero paradigm, whereby a white victim (tangible or no) is besieged by a black assailant, only to be saved by a white hero. The second is an oppressor/oppressed narrative, whereby a white oppressor leverages a cultural advantage to abrogate the rights of a black oppressed person.

In this instance, and those like it (to which Barack Obama alluded at his press conference), the validity of the latter perception is predicated on prevalence of the former. If Gates was assumed to be assailing a white victim, and the cop had taken it upon himself to be a rescuer, then Gates' perception is valid.

Alas, from a perceptive standpoint, the facts do not lend credence to the latter narrative. For starters, since Gates was the homeowner, he was effectively being rescued from himself. There was no white victim.

Second, it is not at all clear that Crowley saw himself as any sort of rescuer or hero. This is clear both from the circumstances (Crowley merely asked Gates to step outside onto the porch), and from his career trajectory (years of teaching classes on racial profiling).

Thus, it appears that Gates was not the oppressed. Unfortunately, he continues to insist, and Obama has reinforced, that he was so. And so, the tables of perception turn, whereby officer Crowley seems unfairly maligned. Just as no law-abiding black man wishes to be deemed an assailant, no officer of integrity wants to be regarded as an oppressor.

If this is to represent any sort of "teachable moment" (and if you want to relegate that nauseous term to the dustbin of history, I'll be the first to sign your petition), there must be a certain universality. In other words, people will judge future circumstances based on the conclusions drawn from this one.

If the lesson learned is that one can self-identify as oppressed when they are not so, the term will lose meaning. Those who are sincerely oppressed will lose the battle of perception. They'll be "another Skip Gates". Worse, the underlying problematic narrative will be summarily dismissed.

Facts matter. While our society is willing to accrue benefit of the doubt to the person whose race has been historically oppressed, in will not do so against reason.

by: reformer

07-27-2009 @ 1:04am

Here are a couple of questions to help illuminate the issue:
If it were a black cop dong his job and a white suspect who was yelling insults at the cop, should the cop just disregard the clamor and leave? What would happen in court if Professor Gates started yelling at the judge, calling him a racist judge who engaged in racial profiling? Would the judge just ignore it?
Might Gates have been making Crowley pay for the sins of his police predecessors rather than for any abuse Crowley committed?

by: reformer

07-27-2009 @ 1:04am

Here are a couple of questions to help illuminate the issue:
If it were a black cop dong his job and a white suspect who was yelling insults at the cop, should the cop just disregard the clamor and leave? What would happen in court if Professor Gates started yelling at the judge, calling him a racist judge who engaged in racial profiling? Would the judge just ignore it?
Might Gates have been making Crowley pay for the sins of his police predecessors rather than for any abuse Crowley committed?

by: scat

07-27-2009 @ 1:56am

Thank you for your enlightening remarks. Strangely some of your remarks reminded me of things that I experienced when I realized I was being treated differently because of my age! All of a sudden it seemed that the only thing certain people saw was that number as though it was painted on my forhead. My talent,ability, experience meant nothing. And the first time was when I was only 42! I think we all need to experience that kind of prejudice of not being seen for what we are but only for some "disability" that makes us ineligible or unqualified or undeserving.
Of course the solution is for more interaction between people of different ethnicities. I live in a highly multi-cultural area and really enjoy getting to know people from different backgrounds but sometimes it's hard to get past the wall that so many seem to build up to keep others out. What you call ethnocentricity is really a rather common human trait. It is something that we need to make a conscious effort to get past, kind of like jingoism. Ethnocentricity was reinforced for most of us adults by the media we grew up with. It's only been in the last couple of decades that non-whites started being portrayed as everyday people, ie: neighbors, cops, doctors, etc. You are right that some people choose to remain bllissfully ignorant of any other point of view, way of life or experience other than their own. But they aren't always white people.

by: scat

07-27-2009 @ 1:56am

Thank you for your enlightening remarks. Strangely some of your remarks reminded me of things that I experienced when I realized I was being treated differently because of my age! All of a sudden it seemed that the only thing certain people saw was that number as though it was painted on my forhead. My talent,ability, experience meant nothing. And the first time was when I was only 42! I think we all need to experience that kind of prejudice of not being seen for what we are but only for some "disability" that makes us ineligible or unqualified or undeserving.
Of course the solution is for more interaction between people of different ethnicities. I live in a highly multi-cultural area and really enjoy getting to know people from different backgrounds but sometimes it's hard to get past the wall that so many seem to build up to keep others out. What you call ethnocentricity is really a rather common human trait. It is something that we need to make a conscious effort to get past, kind of like jingoism. Ethnocentricity was reinforced for most of us adults by the media we grew up with. It's only been in the last couple of decades that non-whites started being portrayed as everyday people, ie: neighbors, cops, doctors, etc. You are right that some people choose to remain bllissfully ignorant of any other point of view, way of life or experience other than their own. But they aren't always white people.

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2009 @ 1:28pm

Then I say you don't know about the underpinnings of the modern conservative movement, a lot of which actually was about race. In fact, the Republican Party made serious inroads in the South, which up to the 1960s was solidly Democratic, by subtly stoking racial fears (see "The Fall of Conservatism" by George Packer in the New Yorker; he actually interviewed Nixon aide Pat Buchanan, who specifically explained to him how they did it). Every political campaign that Ronald Reagan ever ran (except for president in 1984, by which time it wasn't necessary) had a racist tinge to it.

As for Frank Schaeffer, he is in fact right. Here in my heavily Democratic state (which went heavily for Hillary Clinton in the primary last year), one woman who was interviewed in my newspaper admitted that she couldn't vote for a black man; a union leader chided her for saying that. And I believe that it took the economic downturn and McCain's response to it to swing people toward Obama. (Had Hillary won the nomination she would have had a far higher electoral vote count because she, in large part due to Bill, was very well-liked in the South.)

And let me tell you something else: In my view, you complain about ideological victimization of conservatives in the very same way you say African-Americans (of which I am one) complain about race.

by: BlueDeacon

07-27-2009 @ 1:28pm

Then I say you don't know about the underpinnings of the modern conservative movement, a lot of which actually was about race. In fact, the Republican Party made serious inroads in the South, which up to the 1960s was solidly Democratic, by subtly stoking racial fears (see "The Fall of Conservatism" by George Packer in the New Yorker; he actually interviewed Nixon aide Pat Buchanan, who specifically explained to him how they did it). Every political campaign that Ronald Reagan ever ran (except for president in 1984, by which time it wasn't necessary) had a racist tinge to it.

As for Frank Schaeffer, he is in fact right. Here in my heavily Democratic state (which went heavily for Hillary Clinton in the primary last year), one woman who was interviewed in my newspaper admitted that she couldn't vote for a black man; a union leader chided her for saying that. And I believe that it took the economic downturn and McCain's response to it to swing people toward Obama. (Had Hillary won the nomination she would have had a far higher electoral vote count because she, in large part due to Bill, was very well-liked in the South.)

And let me tell you something else: In my view, you complain about ideological victimization of conservatives in the very same way you say African-Americans (of which I am one) complain about race.