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The Professor and the Police Officer Got Trapped in the 'Script'

I have been away for the last couple of weeks, first for a family wedding and reunion on a lake in northern Michigan, and then at the Chautauqua conference center in rural New York state. Neither place had great media access (always part of a good vacation) but I kept up the best I could. All of a sudden, I saw the familiar face of Henry Louis ("Skip") Gates on all the cable news shows on restaurant televisions without the sound on--someone I know from my own teaching at Harvard where Gates is a distinguished professor. Then I heard the story unfold and repeat about a million times, as sensational cable news stories always do, especially when they are about race.

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When I returned to D.C. this weekend, the story was everywhere. Even the president had weighed in, then clarified his statements, then tried to play his role as national racial reconciler (with a beer at the White House with the principle protagonists scheduled for this Thursday).

I have a good friend who is a D.C. cab driver, and I climbed into his cab the day after I returned. He is always a good analyst of Washington politics, so we plunged into the discussion right away. "I have been in his shoes," said the 60-year-old African-American native of D.C. He confirmed that many other African Americans had been swapping their own stories of being stopped on the street, pulled over in their cars, confronted in stores, just followed around, or worse by the police. I remember listening to the African-American mother of a friend of mine growing up in Detroit, who told her children to hide from the police if they ever were lost while my mother told us kids to look for a policeman if we were far away from home. That is the context of this story for every black American, especially of Gates' generation. Gates being arrested on his front porch after a report of breaking into his own home seems both incredulous and, at the same time, not surprising to most black people in America.

And that is the 'script' of this new racial drama being played out in America about the Professor and the Police Officer. What most strikes me about the story is how neither participant was able to get out of the 'script' of the sad story of the relationship between black people and white police in America.

Of course, as the facts of the story have unfolded, it gets complicated. Most participants in the now national race drama agree that the woman who called the police when she saw two men who looked like they were breaking into a house--as Gates and his cab driver were trying to get into his house through a broken front door after an overseas trip--was being a reasonable citizen (though many, including me, still wonder if the call would have been made if the two men had been white in Gates' white neighborhood). And most agree that Officer Crowley is not the typical racist white cop, but rather one with an exemplary record, and is even a police trainer on matters of racial sensitivity and profiling. And most seem to agree that the combination of outrage, ego, and jet lag likely provoked the wrath of Skip Gates on a white cop answering a suspected burglary call and treating him like a suspect at his own home. From what we can piece together from the conflicting accounts of the angry words that ensued between the two men, it is clear to me that both got immediately caught up in the 'script,' and neither was able to extricate himself from it.

Gates' reported behavior felt offensive and abusive to the police officer, but an immediate acceptance of Gates' identity and residence followed by a quick and effusive apology by Crowley might have calmed the storm. And in any event, disrespectful behavior to a police officer is not against the law, and an arrest for disorderly conduct of a small 58-year-old man with a cane, on his own porch, when there was no threat to public safety involved, does appear to justify the accuracy, if not the political wisdom, of President Obama's suggestion that handcuffing Gates was acting "stupidly."

Police officers should get a great deal of sympathy, understanding, and support for often very tough split-second decisions where the lives of citizens, or their own lives, are at stake; but this was clearly not one of those situations. And Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson insightfully treated the charge of Gates' alleged "You have no idea who you're messing with" elitism when he observed that "meeting a famous Harvard professor who happens to be arrogant is like meeting a famous basketball player who happens to be tall."

The real issue here is two men who didn't believe the other showed him the proper deference. Thus, again we have fundamental issues of power at stake-this time between an upper-class black Harvard professor and working-class white Boston cop. And guess what? The 'script' took over. The Reconciler-in-Chief will likely get them both to behave better at the White House and get, if not apologies, at least a chilling out for the good of the nation. But if this incident is to become a teachable moment, there are at least two lessons to be learned.

The first is that racial profiling, whether or not it was involved in this particular case, is still real and indeed brutal in key sectors of our society-in particular, the criminal justice system. Clear and pervasive racial discrimination still exists in law enforcement, judicial practices, and penal policies at the bottom of American life even if things are much more complicated and nuanced at the top in places like Cambridge. One of the best articles in this controversy, which draws attention to the real and structural racial injustice still present in American society, was Glen Loury's op-ed in Sunday's New York Times.

"Certainly, the contretemps shed no relevant light on the plight of the millions of black men on society's margins who bear the brunt of police scrutiny and government-sanctioned coercion," wrote Loury. "Nevertheless, this is a principal source of the tension in interactions between the police and black men like me."

But the second lesson is about the 'script' itself and how to get out of it. The best way to defuse, diminish, and ultimately dismantle the power of the 'script' is to show even excessive respect in potential situations of conflict. Let's call it "affirmative respect" as a parallel to affirmative action. Nothing defuses a potential conflict like proactively showing such respect in just these kinds of situations; and Crowley should be teaching that in his racial diversity classes. Of course, respect should go both ways, but it must be said that the burden of respect will and should be on white people. Sorry folks, but that is just the burden of our racial history. And you don't have to be guilty of that history in order to be responsible for it. Most white people in America have benefited from racial discrimination even if they are not personally guilty of it, and are therefore obliged to now show that extra measure of respect. A new generation of black and white people with both less baggage and less of a chip on their shoulders will certainly help us all. But doing our part to diminish the power of the 'script' is all of our responsibility. Two men in Cambridge didn't do a good job of that last week, which could teach us all to do a little better.

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by: lumens

07-29-2009 @ 4:19pm

Of course there is a script (not one in all CAPS, though).

Purported racial offense occurs.

Purported racial offense makes the news, with the alleged victim denouncing the alleged assailant.

Facts are introduced indicating that racism may not be a motivating factor.

The left ignores this information, and starts talking about the broader picture, 400 years of oppression. Of course, the assailant himself isn't racist, but this is part of a broader picture, and so he is sort of racist by default.

Blah, blah, blah. Teachable moment. Blah, blah, blah.

6 months later, when the press isn't looking, new facts reveal that race had nothing to do with the purported racial offense.

------------

Here's how the Jeremiah Wright deal fit the script.

The right makes hay over Barack Obama's affiliation with Jeremiah Wright, noting that Wright seems to be a hysterical anti-Semitic extremist. The right is accused of racism.

The incident makes news, as Obama defends his church background, et al...

ABC finds tapes that seem to demonstrate Jeremiah Wright to be quite hysterical.

The left ignored this information, accusing ABC et al... of selectively running segments. We are asked to understand where Wright is coming from. 400 years of oppression, and all that. Of course, ABC and Fox News aren't racist for airing the videos, but what they did sorta fits into a racist narrative.

Blah, blah, blah. My racist grandma from Kansas was a fine woman. Blah, blah, blah.

6 months later, when the press wasn't looking, Wright pretty much reveals himself to be an anti-Semite.

------------

This happened over and over in the early 90's (see Rick's "Cop Killer" reference below). People got tired of the PC hysteria, and quickly moved in the opposite direction (this gave us South Park).

I predicted that people would get just as sick of it this go around, and that appears to be the case.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 4:33pm

So do you want to stay in the SCRIPT

by: PeterfromMI

07-29-2009 @ 7:20pm

I think this is an unfair comment to Jim. It seems that he was going out of his way NOT to use it to further an agenda, and encouraging us to understand both sides. How easy it was for you to glibly reject Jim's thoughtful essay just so you could further an agenda.

by: JaneinWNY

07-29-2009 @ 7:51pm

LV: "There is a lesson to be learned here, and that is that white bigotry is not necessarily the sole cause whenever an interaction between a White and an African American goes sour."

I thought that is what Jim was saying.

Jane

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2009 @ 12:40am

I've always hate beer. Alcohol has an incredibly evil presence in most communities and contributes to the divisive and violent relationships--including between citizens and police.

by: PeterfromMI

07-30-2009 @ 11:46am

That's exactly what Jim was saying, as I understood it. But Jim taking that approach apparently doesn't fit in Lord Voldemoort's SCRIPT.

by: PeterfromMI

07-31-2009 @ 11:21am

I suppose one could say they hate sex because of the prevalence of pornography, sexual abuse, rape, infidelity, etc. Alcohol has its social utility--I for one find that in moderation it is a great conversation accompaniment (as long as it's either a local microbrew or union-made or both).

by: ithomas

07-31-2009 @ 11:28am

Ted, I agree that 4s response may have venture a bit into judgement using the phrase "truly Christian" writers. But I think it is valid to challenge the christian leadership community to bring the gospel world view into the world.
I agree with you about our massive need to improve upon our "walking", but I would suggest that for a christian it is about both walking and talking. Trends in modern christian leadership seem to feel a need to leave the "talking" aspect of God behind as they seek to encourage more "walking". We need both, affirming eachother constantly.

by: Lord_Voldemort

07-30-2009 @ 5:06pm

Interesting, everybody thinks they know what Jim's saying, nobody so far has come up with the quote where he actually comes out and says it.

LV

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2009 @ 12:33pm

I put my two ideas together poorly. I dislike alcohol because I dislike it. I think it is a good gift--used appropriately.

But given this conversation about race and policing my mind went to the L.A. riots. Race was a major component of that nightmare. Policing was a major component of that nightmare. And I read a piece in Time Magazine (I believe) that identified a third major component: alcohol (neighborhoods such as South Central LA are plagued and saturated by liquor stores, liquor, and guns)

So I found the storytelling around the Whitehouse meeting interesting: race, policing, alcohol

It was a comment of interest. No big point intended.

by: TedVothJr

07-30-2009 @ 5:49pm

How overt does Jim's Christianity have to be to meet your approval, 4? It's not about talking the Gospel, it's about walking it, a far harder thing

by: melaniejo7

07-30-2009 @ 8:59pm

I've been thinking about how we -- I -- can respond to this oh-so-revealing story about the professor and the police man, without simply succumbing to the temptation to judge one, the other or both. As a white person who is neither male nor a police officer, I find myself most sympathetic to Professor Gates, but understanding of the officer who took some offense as well. I"m pretty sure I'll never be either a Harvard professor or a police officer, so what can I contribute tot he debate. It just hit me as I was reading this blog. Maybe the best thing I could do is have my own beer summit with someone who is one of those things I am not--an African-American, a police officer, maybe both, and learn how it feels to be in their shoes.
May the beer summit be blessed!

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2009 @ 12:40am

I've always hate beer. Alcohol has an incredibly evil presence in most communities and contributes to the divisive and violent relationships--including between citizens and police.

by: PeterfromMI

07-31-2009 @ 11:21am

I suppose one could say they hate sex because of the prevalence of pornography, sexual abuse, rape, infidelity, etc. Alcohol has its social utility--I for one find that in moderation it is a great conversation accompaniment (as long as it's either a local microbrew or union-made or both).

by: ithomas

07-31-2009 @ 11:28am

Ted, I agree that 4s response may have venture a bit into judgement using the phrase "truly Christian" writers. But I think it is valid to challenge the christian leadership community to bring the gospel world view into the world.
I agree with you about our massive need to improve upon our "walking", but I would suggest that for a christian it is about both walking and talking. Trends in modern christian leadership seem to feel a need to leave the "talking" aspect of God behind as they seek to encourage more "walking". We need both, affirming eachother constantly.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2009 @ 12:33pm

I put my two ideas together poorly. I dislike alcohol because I dislike it. I think it is a good gift--used appropriately.

But given this conversation about race and policing my mind went to the L.A. riots. Race was a major component of that nightmare. Policing was a major component of that nightmare. And I read a piece in Time Magazine (I believe) that identified a third major component: alcohol (neighborhoods such as South Central LA are plagued and saturated by liquor stores, liquor, and guns)

So I found the storytelling around the Whitehouse meeting interesting: race, policing, alcohol

It was a comment of interest. No big point intended.

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 10:30pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 9:26pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: TedVothJr

08-04-2009 @ 1:19am

Dear Brother Francis may or may not have said 'Preach the Gospel at all
times, and use words when you have to.'

You're right, of course. There's a balance between walking the walk and
talking the talk that needs to be observed.

I cannot remember a single time I've ever actually persuaded anybody to
change her or his mind.

I have the privilege and the pleasure of living on the best street in the
best neighborhood in the best little city in the world, Williamson St in the
Marquette Neighborhood of Madison Wisconsin. It's a diverse, lively,
liberal, politically active, artistic, friendly neighborhood. We have a
Socialist Potluck every second Saturday in the WilMar Community Center!

We don't have a large visible Christian presence here in the Hood.

People here are atheists, or New Agers, or Buddhists. One of my friends,
Carrie, has her own personal version of Gnosticism.

The Church is in bad odor here in the Hood. We're well educated, and well
read, and well acquainted with the Church's history of crusades,
inquisitions, pogroms, and other vicious worldly misbehaviors.

When I moved here I moved home. I asked the Lord to give me a coffee-house
ministry, and he has.

A couple of my friends, the guy who painted my portrait and the Buddhist
guy, came out of bitter, angry, terrifyingly dysfunctional Roman Catholic
families. They're both angry at the Church

My wife and I had a similar marriage. We were Pentecostals at the time, and
while we were breaking up, I made the mistake of sending my kids, both of
whom had professed Christ, to a school run by a very fundamentalist, not
very bright, not very gentle nor very Christlike Bible Church pastor. (May
God bless him with the fruit of the Spirit.)

My son is now a Theist and my daughter is a pantheist. (May God forgive me,
and may he save my kids)

Then add in the shameless wh*ring of the modern-day Religious Right for the
godless greedy Republican Party, and the embarrassment the Roman brothers
have brought on themselves with their pederastic priests

by: TedVothJr

08-04-2009 @ 3:42am

Dear Brother Francis may or may not have said 'Preach the Gospel at all
times, and use words when you have to.'

You're right, of course. There's a balance between walking the walk and
talking the talk that needs to be observed.

I cannot remember a single time I've ever actually persuaded anybody to
change her or his mind.

I have the privilege and the pleasure of living on the best street in the
best neighborhood in the best little city in the world, Williamson St in the
Marquette Neighborhood of Madison Wisconsin. It's a diverse, lively,
liberal, politically active, artistic, friendly neighborhood. We have a
Socialist Potluck every second Saturday in the WilMar Community Center!

We don't have a large visible Christian presence here in the Hood.

People here are atheists, or New Agers, or Buddhists. One of my friends,
Carrie, has her own personal version of Gnosticism.

The Church is in bad odor here in the Hood. We're well educated, and well
read, and well acquainted with the Church's history of crusades,
inquisitions, pogroms, and other vicious worldly misbehaviors.

When I moved here I moved home. I asked the Lord to give me a coffee-house
ministry, and he has.

A couple of my friends, the guy who painted my portrait and the Buddhist
guy, came out of bitter, angry, terrifyingly dysfunctional Roman Catholic
families. They're both angry at the Church

My wife and I had a similar marriage. We were Pentecostals at the time, and
while we were breaking up, I made the mistake of sending my kids, both of
whom had professed Christ, to a school run by a very fundamentalist, not
very bright, not very gentle nor very Christlike Bible Church pastor. (May
God bless him with the fruit of the Spirit.)

My son is now a Theist and my daughter is a pantheist. (May God forgive me,
and may he save my kids)

Then add in the shameless wh*ring of the modern-day Religious Right for the
godless greedy Republican Party, and the embarrassment the Roman brothers
have brought on themselves with their pederastic priests

by: ithomas

08-04-2009 @ 11:38am

TV2. I can tell that you have a wonderful mind and a heart full of love and
respect for people (and the rest of creation). I have heard responses like
yours many times over, some presented with bitterness and some steeped in
political orientation. Your presentation is thoughtful and unlike most who
enter the discussion of what is wrong with the church in America.
I can not find a point in your post that I disagree with, but God seems to
be pressing on my heart to take this on from within the walls of the
traditional church. Believe me; I have desired to leave the "formal church"
many, many times for a number of reasons. I am particularly troubled by lack
luster leadership, absence of vision, and a complete disconnect with "doing
unto the least of these."
Yet like Al Pacino in the Godfather (I think), I find myself saying, "Every
time I try to get out, they pull me back in!" It feels more accurate to say,
"God pulls me back in." I have more pity for the church than anger (even
though I do get angry often). I want to be the wake up call. I want to be a
part of true revival. The word of God in harmony with the actions of His
church. The testimony of Christ (without censorship) fused with the
challenge from James, "Faith without works is dead."
I often find myself at odds with church leadership and misunderstood by
church membership. The street seems to be a better place to have these types
of discussions. Just like in Jesus' day as you mentioned with Christ's
frustration with organized Religion and its leaders.
So what do we do brother? I want to love and serve, but I want the world to
know why it is that I do what I do because I know that without Christ I am a
self serving, pleasure seeking, self destructing soul that would be dead by
now. I have a lot of evidence to back that up...

Thanks for your thoughtful words. ithomas

by: TedVothJr

08-04-2009 @ 1:19am

Dear Brother Francis may or may not have said 'Preach the Gospel at all
times, and use words when you have to.'

You're right, of course. There's a balance between walking the walk and
talking the talk that needs to be observed.

I cannot remember a single time I've ever actually persuaded anybody to
change her or his mind.

I have the privilege and the pleasure of living on the best street in the
best neighborhood in the best little city in the world, Williamson St in the
Marquette Neighborhood of Madison Wisconsin. It's a diverse, lively,
liberal, politically active, artistic, friendly neighborhood. We have a
Socialist Potluck every second Saturday in the WilMar Community Center!

We don't have a large visible Christian presence here in the Hood.

People here are atheists, or New Agers, or Buddhists. One of my friends,
Carrie, has her own personal version of Gnosticism.

The Church is in bad odor here in the Hood. We're well educated, and well
read, and well acquainted with the Church's history of crusades,
inquisitions, pogroms, and other vicious worldly misbehaviors.

When I moved here I moved home. I asked the Lord to give me a coffee-house
ministry, and he has.

A couple of my friends, the guy who painted my portrait and the Buddhist
guy, came out of bitter, angry, terrifyingly dysfunctional Roman Catholic
families. They're both angry at the Church

My wife and I had a similar marriage. We were Pentecostals at the time, and
while we were breaking up, I made the mistake of sending my kids, both of
whom had professed Christ, to a school run by a very fundamentalist, not
very bright, not very gentle nor very Christlike Bible Church pastor. (May
God bless him with the fruit of the Spirit.)

My son is now a Theist and my daughter is a pantheist. (May God forgive me,
and may he save my kids)

Then add in the shameless wh*ring of the modern-day Religious Right for the
godless greedy Republican Party, and the embarrassment the Roman brothers
have brought on themselves with their pederastic priests

by: TedVothJr

08-04-2009 @ 3:42am

Dear Brother Francis may or may not have said 'Preach the Gospel at all
times, and use words when you have to.'

You're right, of course. There's a balance between walking the walk and
talking the talk that needs to be observed.

I cannot remember a single time I've ever actually persuaded anybody to
change her or his mind.

I have the privilege and the pleasure of living on the best street in the
best neighborhood in the best little city in the world, Williamson St in the
Marquette Neighborhood of Madison Wisconsin. It's a diverse, lively,
liberal, politically active, artistic, friendly neighborhood. We have a
Socialist Potluck every second Saturday in the WilMar Community Center!

We don't have a large visible Christian presence here in the Hood.

People here are atheists, or New Agers, or Buddhists. One of my friends,
Carrie, has her own personal version of Gnosticism.

The Church is in bad odor here in the Hood. We're well educated, and well
read, and well acquainted with the Church's history of crusades,
inquisitions, pogroms, and other vicious worldly misbehaviors.

When I moved here I moved home. I asked the Lord to give me a coffee-house
ministry, and he has.

A couple of my friends, the guy who painted my portrait and the Buddhist
guy, came out of bitter, angry, terrifyingly dysfunctional Roman Catholic
families. They're both angry at the Church

My wife and I had a similar marriage. We were Pentecostals at the time, and
while we were breaking up, I made the mistake of sending my kids, both of
whom had professed Christ, to a school run by a very fundamentalist, not
very bright, not very gentle nor very Christlike Bible Church pastor. (May
God bless him with the fruit of the Spirit.)

My son is now a Theist and my daughter is a pantheist. (May God forgive me,
and may he save my kids)

Then add in the shameless wh*ring of the modern-day Religious Right for the
godless greedy Republican Party, and the embarrassment the Roman brothers
have brought on themselves with their pederastic priests

by: ithomas

08-04-2009 @ 11:38am

TV2. I can tell that you have a wonderful mind and a heart full of love and
respect for people (and the rest of creation). I have heard responses like
yours many times over, some presented with bitterness and some steeped in
political orientation. Your presentation is thoughtful and unlike most who
enter the discussion of what is wrong with the church in America.
I can not find a point in your post that I disagree with, but God seems to
be pressing on my heart to take this on from within the walls of the
traditional church. Believe me; I have desired to leave the "formal church"
many, many times for a number of reasons. I am particularly troubled by lack
luster leadership, absence of vision, and a complete disconnect with "doing
unto the least of these."
Yet like Al Pacino in the Godfather (I think), I find myself saying, "Every
time I try to get out, they pull me back in!" It feels more accurate to say,
"God pulls me back in." I have more pity for the church than anger (even
though I do get angry often). I want to be the wake up call. I want to be a
part of true revival. The word of God in harmony with the actions of His
church. The testimony of Christ (without censorship) fused with the
challenge from James, "Faith without works is dead."
I often find myself at odds with church leadership and misunderstood by
church membership. The street seems to be a better place to have these types
of discussions. Just like in Jesus' day as you mentioned with Christ's
frustration with organized Religion and its leaders.
So what do we do brother? I want to love and serve, but I want the world to
know why it is that I do what I do because I know that without Christ I am a
self serving, pleasure seeking, self destructing soul that would be dead by
now. I have a lot of evidence to back that up...

Thanks for your thoughtful words. ithomas

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 10:30pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 9:26pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 7:26pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 8:30pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: 4HisGlory

07-29-2009 @ 1:34pm

I'm afraid, Mr. Wallis, that you, like seemingly everyone reporting on this story, use it to further an agenda. It's not that you don't have good points - you do - but you too have a set of lenses through which you view this story. I wish that truly Christian writers would bring a Gospel-oriented approach to situations like this rather than simply an ideological or societal approach as you and so many others have done. What attitudes should either man display if the Gospel motivated them? Or even broader, what should any race or economic or social standing respond if the Gospel motivated them? I'm sure I appear naive and willingly admit that I am, but let's not descend to what everyone else is doing when we have such a different hope and perspective to offer.

by: Lord_Voldemort

07-29-2009 @ 1:57pm

In a way its kind of fascinating to watch Jim Wallis tie himself in knots to avoid what might otherwise be a Teachable Moment for himself.

There is a lesson to be learned here, and that is that white bigotry is not necessarily the sole cause whenever an interaction between a White and an African American goes sour.

Jim cannot bring himself to acknowledge that directly, though I think that his overall theme of THE SCRIPT represents a sort of semiconscious attempt to deal with that. But while Wallis can be quite direct about the places where Sgt. Crowley might have ad-libbed a new ending to this tired drama, he cannot imagine that Prof. Gates might also have chosen to depart from his lines and added a new and more hopeful twist to this whole predicatable plot.

In the end Jim Wallis has his script too and while he adds some flourishes of his own his character still winds up doing more or less what we've always seen his character do in these situations: wring his hands while chiding his opponents for their silly thought that law enforcement is hard work and that citizens ought not go out of their way to make it more difficult than it needs to be.

LV

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 2:06pm

What about 'excessive respect' do you find to be in contrast to a Gospel-oriented approach?

If Christians speak to the criminal justice system and to the broader society--what kind of Gospel-oriented appeal would you make as it relates to breaking out of the SCRIP Wallis describes??

by: BlueDeacon

07-29-2009 @ 2:18pm

I've got bad news for you: Had either Sgt. Crowley or Dr. Gates (or even both) been evangelical Christians the same thing probably would have happened. Keep in mind that the civil-rights movement -- to our shame -- featured Christians fighting other Christians, where one set of believers fought for racial justice and another set against. So even the church has to fight through it as well.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 2:05pm

I don't see where your view and Jim Wallis is in conflict. Why do you desribe the SCRIPT as subconscious or just a script for one party or that it was only one party caught in the script or facing the possibiltity of creating a different script?

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 2:51pm

I was at a community meeting last night with black police representative regarding crime in my 95% black community. Although there was some discussion as to certain policing tactics some citizens do not like (e.g. frequent road blocks checking every vehicle), and although there was some discussion that sometimes communities treat police with disdain, there was not one sentiment raised describing the police as an unwanted presence.

The primary criminal activity is the result of gang-related households being 'pushed around the city' by the closing down of large public housing complexes. The most vocally agressive community resident (there is at least one in every community) is a retired teacher literally storming in and out of the meeting--ranting about the behavior of young men in gangs and her confrontations with them. "I taught them. I taught their parents. I know them." Was her message. She was full of anger, love and brokenness. As she exited the last time she turned and wagged her finger at everyone in the room, "It's later than you think."

It is impossible to understand, confront and embrace the realities of my city (and the nation) without confronting the racism we have always cast in 'black-white' terminology. And yet this terminology has long trapped us in the SCRIPT. "Black-White" analysis of the world has a double meaning for persons like Gates and Wallis. It relates to the literal experience of individuals as they sojourn thru this life with different shades of pigmentation. It also relates to a description/understanding of a system that in many ways is quite distinct from skin shades.

I could describe the struggles of my neighborhood with crime as significantly related to a racist system. Even though I am talking about black gangsters, black residents, black officers, and black schools. But this is an abstraction, and for the majority of the nation it just doesn't conform to what they see on the ground--that doesn't seem at all related to the color of skin.

So we need a new script--that has an understanding and appreciation of the old script.

B Obama is not the answer. But B Obama is a representative of that script.

He is beyond the script of Gates and Jeremiah Wright. But he would not be there without having learned those scripts (both the ideas, relationships, and mentoring of Gates and Wright).

Persons like Sean Hannity criticize someone like Wright for being stuck in an old script. But then tries to destroy Obama who has moved past the script--by tying him back to the SCRIPT.

He fails to see he is as tied to SCRIPT as those he criticizes. He fails to see that persons like Gates and Wright have helped a people and nation break out of the script by looking at it with more care and then using it.

Gates helps us see the history.

Wright helps take the old terminolgy of oppression--and turn it on its head so persons could find their dignity and 'walk out' of the old script. Which is what Obama did.

I don't know what to make of a white evangelicalism that has struggled just to affirm the basic civil rights cause of Dr King to be a righteous cause.

I think we are entering a new day. My fear is the new day will simply occur because the old generation that decided to wander in the wilderness instead of take the promised land--finally dies off and enters the land. But enters the land, not as a wiser, healed and empowered people--but as a weak people carrying the same poison seeds that weaken and cripple a people.

None of us have THE answer. There is not a magic bullet. I embrace Wallis call to extreme respect. I would call it granting each other dignity--a dignity great enough that calls me to 'walk with you" and not just "walk in spite of you." The new script comes out of relationship--in submission to God who renews our minds (if we so choose).,

by: lumens

07-29-2009 @ 2:54pm

"(though many, including me, still wonder if the call would have been made if the two men had been white in Gates' white neighborhood)"

That's the miracle of the word "wonder". It allows you to couch any accusation you like in terms that shirk accountability.

I disagree that the burden of respect should be on white people. When cops are involved, the burden of respect should be on the citizen. Cops are entering a situation with a variety of variables and unknowns. The citizen knows the situation.

Until both officer and citizen are on the same page, not only should the citizen offer respect, but compliance.

Is there a biblical precedent for the notion that one is responsible for that sin of which he is not guilty? Other than Jesus, I can find no examples of this.

Officer Crowley had no obligation to do anything other than his job. That's what he did. Nothing stupid about it.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 3:03pm

Your questions are good--but I believe Wallis answers them. It would be interesting to me if you reflected on how Wallis answers the issues you raise--and then critique them if you disagree.

Ultimately Wallis appeals for an "affirmative respect" between all parties. Your response is, "No."

So do you want to stay in the SCRIPT; do you not think there is a SCRIPT?

by: 1Grace

07-29-2009 @ 3:23pm

"That's the miracle of the word "wonder". It allows you to couch any accusation you like in terms that shirk accountability"

Excellent point and one that has been brought forth through out the blogs , the projections of others from our own experiences . Not understanding the projections of police officers as honorable and service minded individuals while not understanding ther emntality that as Wallis says was taught to stay away from police if they were lost. Good point ! I believe you hit it on the nail .

by: BlueDeacon

07-29-2009 @ 3:29pm

Until both officer and citizen are on the same page, not only should the citizen offer respect, but compliance.

You would not be so foolish to make that remark if you lived in the South, especially before the civil-rights movement, or in South Africa under apartheid -- they were place where in some areas the "lawman" often had nearly unlimited power and knew how to use it (usually blacks felt it more, but whites did as well). Also remember that the Boston area has historically suffered a lot of racial animosity which didn't just "go away."

Back in the 1990s rapper Ice-T performed a song "Cop Killer" that understandably caused a firestorm, but considering that it was released after the Rodney King incident -- perhaps in response to it -- that sentiment might be understandable, especially since one line of the song said "I'll get you before you get me."

by: lumens

07-29-2009 @ 4:19pm

Of course there is a script (not one in all CAPS, though).

Purported racial offense occurs.

Purported racial offense makes the news, with the alleged victim denouncing the alleged assailant.

Facts are introduced indicating that racism may not be a motivating factor.

The left ignores this information, and starts talking about the broader picture, 400 years of oppression. Of course, the assailant himself isn't racist, but this is part of a broader picture, and so he is sort of racist by default.

Blah, blah, blah. Teachable moment. Blah, blah, blah.

6 months later, when the press isn't looking, new facts reveal that race had nothing to do with the purported racial offense.

------------

Here's how the Jeremiah Wright deal fit the script.

The right makes hay over Barack Obama's affiliation with Jeremiah Wright, noting that Wright seems to be a hysterical anti-Semitic extremist. The right is accused of racism.

The incident makes news, as Obama defends his church background, et al...

ABC finds tapes that seem to demonstrate Jeremiah Wright to be quite hysterical.

The left ignored this information, accusing ABC et al... of selectively running segments. We are asked to understand where Wright is coming from. 400 years of oppression, and all that. Of course, ABC and Fox News aren't racist for airing the videos, but what they did sorta fits into a racist narrative.

Blah, blah, blah. My racist grandma from Kansas was a fine woman. Blah, blah, blah.

6 months later, when the press wasn't looking, Wright pretty much reveals himself to be an anti-Semite.

------------

This happened over and over in the early 90's (see Rick's "Cop Killer" reference below). People got tired of the PC hysteria, and quickly moved in the opposite direction (this gave us South Park).

I predicted that people would get just as sick of it this go around, and that appears to be the case.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 4:33pm

So do you want to stay in the SCRIPT

by: PeterfromMI

07-29-2009 @ 7:20pm

I think this is an unfair comment to Jim. It seems that he was going out of his way NOT to use it to further an agenda, and encouraging us to understand both sides. How easy it was for you to glibly reject Jim's thoughtful essay just so you could further an agenda.

by: JaneinWNY

07-29-2009 @ 7:51pm

LV: "There is a lesson to be learned here, and that is that white bigotry is not necessarily the sole cause whenever an interaction between a White and an African American goes sour."

I thought that is what Jim was saying.

Jane

by: PeterfromMI

07-30-2009 @ 11:46am

That's exactly what Jim was saying, as I understood it. But Jim taking that approach apparently doesn't fit in Lord Voldemoort's SCRIPT.

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 7:26pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 8:30pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: Lord_Voldemort

07-30-2009 @ 5:06pm

Interesting, everybody thinks they know what Jim's saying, nobody so far has come up with the quote where he actually comes out and says it.

LV

by: TedVothJr

07-30-2009 @ 5:49pm

How overt does Jim's Christianity have to be to meet your approval, 4? It's not about talking the Gospel, it's about walking it, a far harder thing

by: 4HisGlory

07-29-2009 @ 1:34pm

I'm afraid, Mr. Wallis, that you, like seemingly everyone reporting on this story, use it to further an agenda. It's not that you don't have good points - you do - but you too have a set of lenses through which you view this story. I wish that truly Christian writers would bring a Gospel-oriented approach to situations like this rather than simply an ideological or societal approach as you and so many others have done. What attitudes should either man display if the Gospel motivated them? Or even broader, what should any race or economic or social standing respond if the Gospel motivated them? I'm sure I appear naive and willingly admit that I am, but let's not descend to what everyone else is doing when we have such a different hope and perspective to offer.

by: Lord_Voldemort

07-29-2009 @ 1:57pm

In a way its kind of fascinating to watch Jim Wallis tie himself in knots to avoid what might otherwise be a Teachable Moment for himself.

There is a lesson to be learned here, and that is that white bigotry is not necessarily the sole cause whenever an interaction between a White and an African American goes sour.

Jim cannot bring himself to acknowledge that directly, though I think that his overall theme of THE SCRIPT represents a sort of semiconscious attempt to deal with that. But while Wallis can be quite direct about the places where Sgt. Crowley might have ad-libbed a new ending to this tired drama, he cannot imagine that Prof. Gates might also have chosen to depart from his lines and added a new and more hopeful twist to this whole predicatable plot.

In the end Jim Wallis has his script too and while he adds some flourishes of his own his character still winds up doing more or less what we've always seen his character do in these situations: wring his hands while chiding his opponents for their silly thought that law enforcement is hard work and that citizens ought not go out of their way to make it more difficult than it needs to be.

LV

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 2:06pm

What about 'excessive respect' do you find to be in contrast to a Gospel-oriented approach?

If Christians speak to the criminal justice system and to the broader society--what kind of Gospel-oriented appeal would you make as it relates to breaking out of the SCRIP Wallis describes??

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by: 4HisGlory

07-29-2009 @ 1:34pm

I'm afraid, Mr. Wallis, that you, like seemingly everyone reporting on this story, use it to further an agenda. It's not that you don't have good points - you do - but you too have a set of lenses through which you view this story. I wish that truly Christian writers would bring a Gospel-oriented approach to situations like this rather than simply an ideological or societal approach as you and so many others have done. What attitudes should either man display if the Gospel motivated them? Or even broader, what should any race or economic or social standing respond if the Gospel motivated them? I'm sure I appear naive and willingly admit that I am, but let's not descend to what everyone else is doing when we have such a different hope and perspective to offer.

by: Lord_Voldemort

07-29-2009 @ 1:57pm

In a way its kind of fascinating to watch Jim Wallis tie himself in knots to avoid what might otherwise be a Teachable Moment for himself.

There is a lesson to be learned here, and that is that white bigotry is not necessarily the sole cause whenever an interaction between a White and an African American goes sour.

Jim cannot bring himself to acknowledge that directly, though I think that his overall theme of THE SCRIPT represents a sort of semiconscious attempt to deal with that. But while Wallis can be quite direct about the places where Sgt. Crowley might have ad-libbed a new ending to this tired drama, he cannot imagine that Prof. Gates might also have chosen to depart from his lines and added a new and more hopeful twist to this whole predicatable plot.

In the end Jim Wallis has his script too and while he adds some flourishes of his own his character still winds up doing more or less what we've always seen his character do in these situations: wring his hands while chiding his opponents for their silly thought that law enforcement is hard work and that citizens ought not go out of their way to make it more difficult than it needs to be.

LV

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 2:06pm

What about 'excessive respect' do you find to be in contrast to a Gospel-oriented approach?

If Christians speak to the criminal justice system and to the broader society--what kind of Gospel-oriented appeal would you make as it relates to breaking out of the SCRIP Wallis describes??

by: BlueDeacon

07-29-2009 @ 2:18pm

I've got bad news for you: Had either Sgt. Crowley or Dr. Gates (or even both) been evangelical Christians the same thing probably would have happened. Keep in mind that the civil-rights movement -- to our shame -- featured Christians fighting other Christians, where one set of believers fought for racial justice and another set against. So even the church has to fight through it as well.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 2:51pm

I was at a community meeting last night with black police representative regarding crime in my 95% black community. Although there was some discussion as to certain policing tactics some citizens do not like (e.g. frequent road blocks checking every vehicle), and although there was some discussion that sometimes communities treat police with disdain, there was not one sentiment raised describing the police as an unwanted presence.

The primary criminal activity is the result of gang-related households being 'pushed around the city' by the closing down of large public housing complexes. The most vocally agressive community resident (there is at least one in every community) is a retired teacher literally storming in and out of the meeting--ranting about the behavior of young men in gangs and her confrontations with them. "I taught them. I taught their parents. I know them." Was her message. She was full of anger, love and brokenness. As she exited the last time she turned and wagged her finger at everyone in the room, "It's later than you think."

It is impossible to understand, confront and embrace the realities of my city (and the nation) without confronting the racism we have always cast in 'black-white' terminology. And yet this terminology has long trapped us in the SCRIPT. "Black-White" analysis of the world has a double meaning for persons like Gates and Wallis. It relates to the literal experience of individuals as they sojourn thru this life with different shades of pigmentation. It also relates to a description/understanding of a system that in many ways is quite distinct from skin shades.

I could describe the struggles of my neighborhood with crime as significantly related to a racist system. Even though I am talking about black gangsters, black residents, black officers, and black schools. But this is an abstraction, and for the majority of the nation it just doesn't conform to what they see on the ground--that doesn't seem at all related to the color of skin.

So we need a new script--that has an understanding and appreciation of the old script.

B Obama is not the answer. But B Obama is a representative of that script.

He is beyond the script of Gates and Jeremiah Wright. But he would not be there without having learned those scripts (both the ideas, relationships, and mentoring of Gates and Wright).

Persons like Sean Hannity criticize someone like Wright for being stuck in an old script. But then tries to destroy Obama who has moved past the script--by tying him back to the SCRIPT.

He fails to see he is as tied to SCRIPT as those he criticizes. He fails to see that persons like Gates and Wright have helped a people and nation break out of the script by looking at it with more care and then using it.

Gates helps us see the history.

Wright helps take the old terminolgy of oppression--and turn it on its head so persons could find their dignity and 'walk out' of the old script. Which is what Obama did.

I don't know what to make of a white evangelicalism that has struggled just to affirm the basic civil rights cause of Dr King to be a righteous cause.

I think we are entering a new day. My fear is the new day will simply occur because the old generation that decided to wander in the wilderness instead of take the promised land--finally dies off and enters the land. But enters the land, not as a wiser, healed and empowered people--but as a weak people carrying the same poison seeds that weaken and cripple a people.

None of us have THE answer. There is not a magic bullet. I embrace Wallis call to extreme respect. I would call it granting each other dignity--a dignity great enough that calls me to 'walk with you" and not just "walk in spite of you." The new script comes out of relationship--in submission to God who renews our minds (if we so choose).,

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 3:03pm

Your questions are good--but I believe Wallis answers them. It would be interesting to me if you reflected on how Wallis answers the issues you raise--and then critique them if you disagree.

Ultimately Wallis appeals for an "affirmative respect" between all parties. Your response is, "No."

So do you want to stay in the SCRIPT; do you not think there is a SCRIPT?

by: BlueDeacon

07-29-2009 @ 3:29pm

Until both officer and citizen are on the same page, not only should the citizen offer respect, but compliance.

You would not be so foolish to make that remark if you lived in the South, especially before the civil-rights movement, or in South Africa under apartheid -- they were place where in some areas the "lawman" often had nearly unlimited power and knew how to use it (usually blacks felt it more, but whites did as well). Also remember that the Boston area has historically suffered a lot of racial animosity which didn't just "go away."

Back in the 1990s rapper Ice-T performed a song "Cop Killer" that understandably caused a firestorm, but considering that it was released after the Rodney King incident -- perhaps in response to it -- that sentiment might be understandable, especially since one line of the song said "I'll get you before you get me."

by: lumens

07-29-2009 @ 4:19pm

Of course there is a script (not one in all CAPS, though).

Purported racial offense occurs.

Purported racial offense makes the news, with the alleged victim denouncing the alleged assailant.

Facts are introduced indicating that racism may not be a motivating factor.

The left ignores this information, and starts talking about the broader picture, 400 years of oppression. Of course, the assailant himself isn't racist, but this is part of a broader picture, and so he is sort of racist by default.

Blah, blah, blah. Teachable moment. Blah, blah, blah.

6 months later, when the press isn't looking, new facts reveal that race had nothing to do with the purported racial offense.

------------

Here's how the Jeremiah Wright deal fit the script.

The right makes hay over Barack Obama's affiliation with Jeremiah Wright, noting that Wright seems to be a hysterical anti-Semitic extremist. The right is accused of racism.

The incident makes news, as Obama defends his church background, et al...

ABC finds tapes that seem to demonstrate Jeremiah Wright to be quite hysterical.

The left ignored this information, accusing ABC et al... of selectively running segments. We are asked to understand where Wright is coming from. 400 years of oppression, and all that. Of course, ABC and Fox News aren't racist for airing the videos, but what they did sorta fits into a racist narrative.

Blah, blah, blah. My racist grandma from Kansas was a fine woman. Blah, blah, blah.

6 months later, when the press wasn't looking, Wright pretty much reveals himself to be an anti-Semite.

------------

This happened over and over in the early 90's (see Rick's "Cop Killer" reference below). People got tired of the PC hysteria, and quickly moved in the opposite direction (this gave us South Park).

I predicted that people would get just as sick of it this go around, and that appears to be the case.

by: JaneinWNY

07-29-2009 @ 7:51pm

LV: "There is a lesson to be learned here, and that is that white bigotry is not necessarily the sole cause whenever an interaction between a White and an African American goes sour."

I thought that is what Jim was saying.

Jane

by: JaneinWNY

07-29-2009 @ 7:51pm

LV: "There is a lesson to be learned here, and that is that white bigotry is not necessarily the sole cause whenever an interaction between a White and an African American goes sour."

I thought that is what Jim was saying.

Jane

by: Lord_Voldemort

07-30-2009 @ 5:06pm

Interesting, everybody thinks they know what Jim's saying, nobody so far has come up with the quote where he actually comes out and says it.

LV

by: Lord_Voldemort

07-30-2009 @ 5:06pm

Interesting, everybody thinks they know what Jim's saying, nobody so far has come up with the quote where he actually comes out and says it.

LV

by: TedVothJr

07-30-2009 @ 5:49pm

How overt does Jim's Christianity have to be to meet your approval, 4? It's not about talking the Gospel, it's about walking it, a far harder thing

by: ithomas

07-31-2009 @ 11:28am

Ted, I agree that 4s response may have venture a bit into judgement using the phrase "truly Christian" writers. But I think it is valid to challenge the christian leadership community to bring the gospel world view into the world.
I agree with you about our massive need to improve upon our "walking", but I would suggest that for a christian it is about both walking and talking. Trends in modern christian leadership seem to feel a need to leave the "talking" aspect of God behind as they seek to encourage more "walking". We need both, affirming eachother constantly.

by: TedVothJr

08-04-2009 @ 3:42am

Dear Brother Francis may or may not have said 'Preach the Gospel at all
times, and use words when you have to.'

You're right, of course. There's a balance between walking the walk and
talking the talk that needs to be observed.

I cannot remember a single time I've ever actually persuaded anybody to
change her or his mind.

I have the privilege and the pleasure of living on the best street in the
best neighborhood in the best little city in the world, Williamson St in the
Marquette Neighborhood of Madison Wisconsin. It's a diverse, lively,
liberal, politically active, artistic, friendly neighborhood. We have a
Socialist Potluck every second Saturday in the WilMar Community Center!

We don't have a large visible Christian presence here in the Hood.

People here are atheists, or New Agers, or Buddhists. One of my friends,
Carrie, has her own personal version of Gnosticism.

The Church is in bad odor here in the Hood. We're well educated, and well
read, and well acquainted with the Church's history of crusades,
inquisitions, pogroms, and other vicious worldly misbehaviors.

When I moved here I moved home. I asked the Lord to give me a coffee-house
ministry, and he has.

A couple of my friends, the guy who painted my portrait and the Buddhist
guy, came out of bitter, angry, terrifyingly dysfunctional Roman Catholic
families. They're both angry at the Church

My wife and I had a similar marriage. We were Pentecostals at the time, and
while we were breaking up, I made the mistake of sending my kids, both of
whom had professed Christ, to a school run by a very fundamentalist, not
very bright, not very gentle nor very Christlike Bible Church pastor. (May
God bless him with the fruit of the Spirit.)

My son is now a Theist and my daughter is a pantheist. (May God forgive me,
and may he save my kids)

Then add in the shameless wh*ring of the modern-day Religious Right for the
godless greedy Republican Party, and the embarrassment the Roman brothers
have brought on themselves with their pederastic priests

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 7:26pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 8:30pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 9:26pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 10:30pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: Lord_Voldemort

07-29-2009 @ 1:57pm

In a way its kind of fascinating to watch Jim Wallis tie himself in knots to avoid what might otherwise be a Teachable Moment for himself.

There is a lesson to be learned here, and that is that white bigotry is not necessarily the sole cause whenever an interaction between a White and an African American goes sour.

Jim cannot bring himself to acknowledge that directly, though I think that his overall theme of THE SCRIPT represents a sort of semiconscious attempt to deal with that. But while Wallis can be quite direct about the places where Sgt. Crowley might have ad-libbed a new ending to this tired drama, he cannot imagine that Prof. Gates might also have chosen to depart from his lines and added a new and more hopeful twist to this whole predicatable plot.

In the end Jim Wallis has his script too and while he adds some flourishes of his own his character still winds up doing more or less what we've always seen his character do in these situations: wring his hands while chiding his opponents for their silly thought that law enforcement is hard work and that citizens ought not go out of their way to make it more difficult than it needs to be.

LV

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 2:05pm

I don't see where your view and Jim Wallis is in conflict. Why do you desribe the SCRIPT as subconscious or just a script for one party or that it was only one party caught in the script or facing the possibiltity of creating a different script?

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 2:06pm

What about 'excessive respect' do you find to be in contrast to a Gospel-oriented approach?

If Christians speak to the criminal justice system and to the broader society--what kind of Gospel-oriented appeal would you make as it relates to breaking out of the SCRIP Wallis describes??

by: BlueDeacon

07-29-2009 @ 2:18pm

I've got bad news for you: Had either Sgt. Crowley or Dr. Gates (or even both) been evangelical Christians the same thing probably would have happened. Keep in mind that the civil-rights movement -- to our shame -- featured Christians fighting other Christians, where one set of believers fought for racial justice and another set against. So even the church has to fight through it as well.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 2:51pm

I was at a community meeting last night with black police representative regarding crime in my 95% black community. Although there was some discussion as to certain policing tactics some citizens do not like (e.g. frequent road blocks checking every vehicle), and although there was some discussion that sometimes communities treat police with disdain, there was not one sentiment raised describing the police as an unwanted presence.

The primary criminal activity is the result of gang-related households being 'pushed around the city' by the closing down of large public housing complexes. The most vocally agressive community resident (there is at least one in every community) is a retired teacher literally storming in and out of the meeting--ranting about the behavior of young men in gangs and her confrontations with them. "I taught them. I taught their parents. I know them." Was her message. She was full of anger, love and brokenness. As she exited the last time she turned and wagged her finger at everyone in the room, "It's later than you think."

It is impossible to understand, confront and embrace the realities of my city (and the nation) without confronting the racism we have always cast in 'black-white' terminology. And yet this terminology has long trapped us in the SCRIPT. "Black-White" analysis of the world has a double meaning for persons like Gates and Wallis. It relates to the literal experience of individuals as they sojourn thru this life with different shades of pigmentation. It also relates to a description/understanding of a system that in many ways is quite distinct from skin shades.

I could describe the struggles of my neighborhood with crime as significantly related to a racist system. Even though I am talking about black gangsters, black residents, black officers, and black schools. But this is an abstraction, and for the majority of the nation it just doesn't conform to what they see on the ground--that doesn't seem at all related to the color of skin.

So we need a new script--that has an understanding and appreciation of the old script.

B Obama is not the answer. But B Obama is a representative of that script.

He is beyond the script of Gates and Jeremiah Wright. But he would not be there without having learned those scripts (both the ideas, relationships, and mentoring of Gates and Wright).

Persons like Sean Hannity criticize someone like Wright for being stuck in an old script. But then tries to destroy Obama who has moved past the script--by tying him back to the SCRIPT.

He fails to see he is as tied to SCRIPT as those he criticizes. He fails to see that persons like Gates and Wright have helped a people and nation break out of the script by looking at it with more care and then using it.

Gates helps us see the history.

Wright helps take the old terminolgy of oppression--and turn it on its head so persons could find their dignity and 'walk out' of the old script. Which is what Obama did.

I don't know what to make of a white evangelicalism that has struggled just to affirm the basic civil rights cause of Dr King to be a righteous cause.

I think we are entering a new day. My fear is the new day will simply occur because the old generation that decided to wander in the wilderness instead of take the promised land--finally dies off and enters the land. But enters the land, not as a wiser, healed and empowered people--but as a weak people carrying the same poison seeds that weaken and cripple a people.

None of us have THE answer. There is not a magic bullet. I embrace Wallis call to extreme respect. I would call it granting each other dignity--a dignity great enough that calls me to 'walk with you" and not just "walk in spite of you." The new script comes out of relationship--in submission to God who renews our minds (if we so choose).,

by: lumens

07-29-2009 @ 2:54pm

"(though many, including me, still wonder if the call would have been made if the two men had been white in Gates' white neighborhood)"

That's the miracle of the word "wonder". It allows you to couch any accusation you like in terms that shirk accountability.

I disagree that the burden of respect should be on white people. When cops are involved, the burden of respect should be on the citizen. Cops are entering a situation with a variety of variables and unknowns. The citizen knows the situation.

Until both officer and citizen are on the same page, not only should the citizen offer respect, but compliance.

Is there a biblical precedent for the notion that one is responsible for that sin of which he is not guilty? Other than Jesus, I can find no examples of this.

Officer Crowley had no obligation to do anything other than his job. That's what he did. Nothing stupid about it.

by: lumens

07-29-2009 @ 2:54pm

"(though many, including me, still wonder if the call would have been made if the two men had been white in Gates' white neighborhood)"

That's the miracle of the word "wonder". It allows you to couch any accusation you like in terms that shirk accountability.

I disagree that the burden of respect should be on white people. When cops are involved, the burden of respect should be on the citizen. Cops are entering a situation with a variety of variables and unknowns. The citizen knows the situation.

Until both officer and citizen are on the same page, not only should the citizen offer respect, but compliance.

Is there a biblical precedent for the notion that one is responsible for that sin of which he is not guilty? Other than Jesus, I can find no examples of this.

Officer Crowley had no obligation to do anything other than his job. That's what he did. Nothing stupid about it.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 3:03pm

Your questions are good--but I believe Wallis answers them. It would be interesting to me if you reflected on how Wallis answers the issues you raise--and then critique them if you disagree.

Ultimately Wallis appeals for an "affirmative respect" between all parties. Your response is, "No."

So do you want to stay in the SCRIPT; do you not think there is a SCRIPT?

by: BlueDeacon

07-29-2009 @ 3:29pm

Until both officer and citizen are on the same page, not only should the citizen offer respect, but compliance.

You would not be so foolish to make that remark if you lived in the South, especially before the civil-rights movement, or in South Africa under apartheid -- they were place where in some areas the "lawman" often had nearly unlimited power and knew how to use it (usually blacks felt it more, but whites did as well). Also remember that the Boston area has historically suffered a lot of racial animosity which didn't just "go away."

Back in the 1990s rapper Ice-T performed a song "Cop Killer" that understandably caused a firestorm, but considering that it was released after the Rodney King incident -- perhaps in response to it -- that sentiment might be understandable, especially since one line of the song said "I'll get you before you get me."

by: lumens

07-29-2009 @ 4:19pm

Of course there is a script (not one in all CAPS, though).

Purported racial offense occurs.

Purported racial offense makes the news, with the alleged victim denouncing the alleged assailant.

Facts are introduced indicating that racism may not be a motivating factor.

The left ignores this information, and starts talking about the broader picture, 400 years of oppression. Of course, the assailant himself isn't racist, but this is part of a broader picture, and so he is sort of racist by default.

Blah, blah, blah. Teachable moment. Blah, blah, blah.

6 months later, when the press isn't looking, new facts reveal that race had nothing to do with the purported racial offense.

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Here's how the Jeremiah Wright deal fit the script.

The right makes hay over Barack Obama's affiliation with Jeremiah Wright, noting that Wright seems to be a hysterical anti-Semitic extremist. The right is accused of racism.

The incident makes news, as Obama defends his church background, et al...

ABC finds tapes that seem to demonstrate Jeremiah Wright to be quite hysterical.

The left ignored this information, accusing ABC et al... of selectively running segments. We are asked to understand where Wright is coming from. 400 years of oppression, and all that. Of course, ABC and Fox News aren't racist for airing the videos, but what they did sorta fits into a racist narrative.

Blah, blah, blah. My racist grandma from Kansas was a fine woman. Blah, blah, blah.

6 months later, when the press wasn't looking, Wright pretty much reveals himself to be an anti-Semite.

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This happened over and over in the early 90's (see Rick's "Cop Killer" reference below). People got tired of the PC hysteria, and quickly moved in the opposite direction (this gave us South Park).

I predicted that people would get just as sick of it this go around, and that appears to be the case.

by: PeterfromMI

07-29-2009 @ 7:20pm

I think this is an unfair comment to Jim. It seems that he was going out of his way NOT to use it to further an agenda, and encouraging us to understand both sides. How easy it was for you to glibly reject Jim's thoughtful essay just so you could further an agenda.

by: PeterfromMI

07-30-2009 @ 11:46am

That's exactly what Jim was saying, as I understood it. But Jim taking that approach apparently doesn't fit in Lord Voldemoort's SCRIPT.

by: TedVothJr

07-30-2009 @ 5:49pm

How overt does Jim's Christianity have to be to meet your approval, 4? It's not about talking the Gospel, it's about walking it, a far harder thing

by: melaniejo7

07-30-2009 @ 8:59pm

I've been thinking about how we -- I -- can respond to this oh-so-revealing story about the professor and the police man, without simply succumbing to the temptation to judge one, the other or both. As a white person who is neither male nor a police officer, I find myself most sympathetic to Professor Gates, but understanding of the officer who took some offense as well. I"m pretty sure I'll never be either a Harvard professor or a police officer, so what can I contribute tot he debate. It just hit me as I was reading this blog. Maybe the best thing I could do is have my own beer summit with someone who is one of those things I am not--an African-American, a police officer, maybe both, and learn how it feels to be in their shoes.
May the beer summit be blessed!

by: melaniejo7

07-30-2009 @ 8:59pm

I've been thinking about how we -- I -- can respond to this oh-so-revealing story about the professor and the police man, without simply succumbing to the temptation to judge one, the other or both. As a white person who is neither male nor a police officer, I find myself most sympathetic to Professor Gates, but understanding of the officer who took some offense as well. I"m pretty sure I'll never be either a Harvard professor or a police officer, so what can I contribute tot he debate. It just hit me as I was reading this blog. Maybe the best thing I could do is have my own beer summit with someone who is one of those things I am not--an African-American, a police officer, maybe both, and learn how it feels to be in their shoes.
May the beer summit be blessed!

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2009 @ 12:40am

I've always hate beer. Alcohol has an incredibly evil presence in most communities and contributes to the divisive and violent relationships--including between citizens and police.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2009 @ 12:40am

I've always hate beer. Alcohol has an incredibly evil presence in most communities and contributes to the divisive and violent relationships--including between citizens and police.

by: PeterfromMI

07-31-2009 @ 11:21am

I suppose one could say they hate sex because of the prevalence of pornography, sexual abuse, rape, infidelity, etc. Alcohol has its social utility--I for one find that in moderation it is a great conversation accompaniment (as long as it's either a local microbrew or union-made or both).

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2009 @ 12:33pm

I put my two ideas together poorly. I dislike alcohol because I dislike it. I think it is a good gift--used appropriately.

But given this conversation about race and policing my mind went to the L.A. riots. Race was a major component of that nightmare. Policing was a major component of that nightmare. And I read a piece in Time Magazine (I believe) that identified a third major component: alcohol (neighborhoods such as South Central LA are plagued and saturated by liquor stores, liquor, and guns)

So I found the storytelling around the Whitehouse meeting interesting: race, policing, alcohol

It was a comment of interest. No big point intended.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-31-2009 @ 12:33pm

I put my two ideas together poorly. I dislike alcohol because I dislike it. I think it is a good gift--used appropriately.

But given this conversation about race and policing my mind went to the L.A. riots. Race was a major component of that nightmare. Policing was a major component of that nightmare. And I read a piece in Time Magazine (I believe) that identified a third major component: alcohol (neighborhoods such as South Central LA are plagued and saturated by liquor stores, liquor, and guns)

So I found the storytelling around the Whitehouse meeting interesting: race, policing, alcohol

It was a comment of interest. No big point intended.

by: TedVothJr

08-04-2009 @ 1:19am

Dear Brother Francis may or may not have said 'Preach the Gospel at all
times, and use words when you have to.'

You're right, of course. There's a balance between walking the walk and
talking the talk that needs to be observed.

I cannot remember a single time I've ever actually persuaded anybody to
change her or his mind.

I have the privilege and the pleasure of living on the best street in the
best neighborhood in the best little city in the world, Williamson St in the
Marquette Neighborhood of Madison Wisconsin. It's a diverse, lively,
liberal, politically active, artistic, friendly neighborhood. We have a
Socialist Potluck every second Saturday in the WilMar Community Center!

We don't have a large visible Christian presence here in the Hood.

People here are atheists, or New Agers, or Buddhists. One of my friends,
Carrie, has her own personal version of Gnosticism.

The Church is in bad odor here in the Hood. We're well educated, and well
read, and well acquainted with the Church's history of crusades,
inquisitions, pogroms, and other vicious worldly misbehaviors.

When I moved here I moved home. I asked the Lord to give me a coffee-house
ministry, and he has.

A couple of my friends, the guy who painted my portrait and the Buddhist
guy, came out of bitter, angry, terrifyingly dysfunctional Roman Catholic
families. They're both angry at the Church

My wife and I had a similar marriage. We were Pentecostals at the time, and
while we were breaking up, I made the mistake of sending my kids, both of
whom had professed Christ, to a school run by a very fundamentalist, not
very bright, not very gentle nor very Christlike Bible Church pastor. (May
God bless him with the fruit of the Spirit.)

My son is now a Theist and my daughter is a pantheist. (May God forgive me,
and may he save my kids)

Then add in the shameless wh*ring of the modern-day Religious Right for the
godless greedy Republican Party, and the embarrassment the Roman brothers
have brought on themselves with their pederastic priests

by: TedVothJr

08-04-2009 @ 3:42am

Dear Brother Francis may or may not have said 'Preach the Gospel at all
times, and use words when you have to.'

You're right, of course. There's a balance between walking the walk and
talking the talk that needs to be observed.

I cannot remember a single time I've ever actually persuaded anybody to
change her or his mind.

I have the privilege and the pleasure of living on the best street in the
best neighborhood in the best little city in the world, Williamson St in the
Marquette Neighborhood of Madison Wisconsin. It's a diverse, lively,
liberal, politically active, artistic, friendly neighborhood. We have a
Socialist Potluck every second Saturday in the WilMar Community Center!

We don't have a large visible Christian presence here in the Hood.

People here are atheists, or New Agers, or Buddhists. One of my friends,
Carrie, has her own personal version of Gnosticism.

The Church is in bad odor here in the Hood. We're well educated, and well
read, and well acquainted with the Church's history of crusades,
inquisitions, pogroms, and other vicious worldly misbehaviors.

When I moved here I moved home. I asked the Lord to give me a coffee-house
ministry, and he has.

A couple of my friends, the guy who painted my portrait and the Buddhist
guy, came out of bitter, angry, terrifyingly dysfunctional Roman Catholic
families. They're both angry at the Church

My wife and I had a similar marriage. We were Pentecostals at the time, and
while we were breaking up, I made the mistake of sending my kids, both of
whom had professed Christ, to a school run by a very fundamentalist, not
very bright, not very gentle nor very Christlike Bible Church pastor. (May
God bless him with the fruit of the Spirit.)

My son is now a Theist and my daughter is a pantheist. (May God forgive me,
and may he save my kids)

Then add in the shameless wh*ring of the modern-day Religious Right for the
godless greedy Republican Party, and the embarrassment the Roman brothers
have brought on themselves with their pederastic priests

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 7:26pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 8:30pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 9:26pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: TedVothJr

08-07-2009 @ 10:30pm

Dear ithomas;

I sympathize with your problems dealing with the Church, and the churches
you've experienced.

God made us social critters:

And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone

by: 4HisGlory

07-29-2009 @ 1:34pm

I'm afraid, Mr. Wallis, that you, like seemingly everyone reporting on this story, use it to further an agenda. It's not that you don't have good points - you do - but you too have a set of lenses through which you view this story. I wish that truly Christian writers would bring a Gospel-oriented approach to situations like this rather than simply an ideological or societal approach as you and so many others have done. What attitudes should either man display if the Gospel motivated them? Or even broader, what should any race or economic or social standing respond if the Gospel motivated them? I'm sure I appear naive and willingly admit that I am, but let's not descend to what everyone else is doing when we have such a different hope and perspective to offer.

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 2:05pm

I don't see where your view and Jim Wallis is in conflict. Why do you desribe the SCRIPT as subconscious or just a script for one party or that it was only one party caught in the script or facing the possibiltity of creating a different script?

by: 1Grace

07-29-2009 @ 3:23pm

"That's the miracle of the word "wonder". It allows you to couch any accusation you like in terms that shirk accountability"

Excellent point and one that has been brought forth through out the blogs , the projections of others from our own experiences . Not understanding the projections of police officers as honorable and service minded individuals while not understanding ther emntality that as Wallis says was taught to stay away from police if they were lost. Good point ! I believe you hit it on the nail .

by: 1Grace

07-29-2009 @ 3:23pm

"That's the miracle of the word "wonder". It allows you to couch any accusation you like in terms that shirk accountability"

Excellent point and one that has been brought forth through out the blogs , the projections of others from our own experiences . Not understanding the projections of police officers as honorable and service minded individuals while not understanding ther emntality that as Wallis says was taught to stay away from police if they were lost. Good point ! I believe you hit it on the nail .

by: letjusticerolldown

07-29-2009 @ 4:33pm

So do you want to stay in the SCRIPT