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Global Warming Will Mean Migrant Crises

The planet is warming at an unprecedented rate, and this will have enormous impact: By the middle of this century, an estimated 150 to 200 million people may become permanently displaced due to rising sea levels, frequent floods, and intense droughts. Already, according to the International Red Cross and Red Crescent, as many people are forced to leave their homes due to environmental disaster and natural resource scarcity as flee political oppression, religious persecution, and ethnic troubles combined.

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As the earth warms, there has been a shift in weather patterns-over the last century, declining rainfall in the Sahel, the Mediterranean, Southern Africa, and parts of Southern Asia. The southwest United States is facing the driest conditions in more than a century, and Australia is suffering a drought that some have proclaimed to be the worse in 1,000 years. In Africa, by 2020, between 75 million and 250 million people will experience water shortages due to climate change. And the decrease in water supplies will affect food production; a global temperature increase between 2 and 3 degrees Celsius would put 30 to 200 million people at risk of hunger.

Many analysts believe that a temperature rise of more than 2 degrees Celsius-and none of the scenarios projected by the respected Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show a future with an increase under 2 degrees-could result in sea level rising above 5 meters. This would threaten 270 million people, about one-twentieth of the world's entire population.

Areas like Bangladesh, Egypt, Vietnam, and several small islands in the Pacific will face massive departure of people. And storms, currently the costliest weather catastrophes, are likely to become more powerful as the ocean warms.

Currently, the majority of host countries of environmental refugees are developing countries because they border the countries refugees are fleeing. But the developed countries of the world are primarily responsible for the vast carbon footprint they have stamped onto the earth; they need to be part of the solution, not just the cause of the problem. And environmental refugees need-but currently do not have-the same protections and rights as those refugees who faced persecution from their own governments.

Unfortunately, there is little official recognition by governments, international agencies, or laws that an environmental refugee problem exists or is imminent. There is a need to address this issue now.

Robert Bolognese is a lawyer who has done advocacy work for the Lutheran Immigration Refugee Service and is active in promoting legislation to fight climate change. He blogs at www.theecoeconomy.blogspot.com about the environment and the economy.

Click here to read Robert Bolognese's full paper, "THE 21st CENTURY REFUGEE: PREPARING FOR A WORLDWIDE REFUGEE CRISIS IN A CHANGING CLIMATE."

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by: Palosaari

08-13-2009 @ 3:16pm

Indeed. A sobering thought is that Bangladesh, with it's population of 162 million, is predicted to be nearly entirely underwater by 2050. That's one country, with a lot of future refugees.

by: xfree9

07-31-2009 @ 6:11pm

The planet is warming at an unprecedented rate

Proof? Stat? Source?

by: Hannity2

08-01-2009 @ 11:08am

Here you go. There were over 3,000 record LOW temps set in July. Stop the presses. We need to start calling it Global Cooling!

http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-blogs.asp?bl...

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2009 @ 1:33pm

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 1:34pm

Proof? Stat? Source?

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2009 @ 2:07pm

What fascinates me, Justintime, is how Hannity2 and Xfree immediately attack global warming without commenting on or dealing with the subject of the article: the possibility of an imminent refugee crisis.

I wonder what they will do when the crisis is upon us, regardless of its cause. Since melting ice caps, shifting climate patters throughout the world, and other obvious effects of climate change are already upon us, I wonder how much additional evidence will be required before they finally admit that climate change is real.

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 1:44pm

If xfree's beach house was under water, he still wouldn't believe the planet is warming.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2009 @ 2:08pm

LOL!!

by: mcvitty

08-01-2009 @ 2:23pm

Read the full article and you will have all the stats and sources you need.

by: xfree9

07-31-2009 @ 6:11pm

The planet is warming at an unprecedented rate

Proof? Stat? Source?

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 3:54pm

Global warming denier Xfree has demonstrated over and over again just how immune he is to climate science and the facts on the ground.
Free market libertarian Xfree has demonstrated over and over again just how indifferent he is to the suffering of America's unfortunate poor.
Xfree ideology boils down to:

This is the best of all possible worlds.
Anything you can think of to make things better will only make things worse.
So it's best to relax, kick back and make the best of the way things are.
After all, you've got yours, haven't you?

Unfortunately Xfree is only one of many boneheaded conservatives who subscribe to this increasingly irrelevant ideology.

by: xfree9

08-01-2009 @ 7:14pm

First of all, name-calling is unnecessary. It simply shows your immaturity. Second, I think taking care of our planet is an important aspect of Christian ethics and social good. Third, this is not the best of all possible worlds. I've never said that, so it is unfair for you to state it.

And lastly, the point of the article itself is useless if the presumption is false. He didn't prove his presumption, so I remain skeptical.

by: xfree9

08-01-2009 @ 7:14pm

Those aren't official stats, unless of course the author did his own research and study.

by: xfree9

08-01-2009 @ 7:17pm

What fascinates me, Justintime, is how Hannity2 and Xfree immediately attack global warming without commenting on or dealing with the subject of the article: the possibility of an imminent refugee crisis.

Asking to cite a source is not an attack. If I claim that you're defrauding somebody financially, and you ask me for proof, you are not "attacking" me.

Also, if the premise is wrong, so is the point of the article.

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 11:41pm

Third, this is not the best of all possible worlds. I've never said that, so it is unfair for you to state it.

If you think this is not the best of all possible worlds, then what do you think might possibly be wrong with it?
And what would you propose to do to make the world a better place to live?

I've always thought of you as basically a good person, Xfree, and I'm sure if we were to meet in real life, we would get along just fine as long as we didn't talk about your boneheaded political/economic ideology.

by: Hannity2

08-01-2009 @ 11:08am

Here you go. There were over 3,000 record LOW temps set in July. Stop the presses. We need to start calling it Global Cooling!

http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-blogs.asp?bl...

by: BuckeyeDon

08-02-2009 @ 9:30am

Sorry, but it most certainly was an attack. Your "request" for sources is a red herring. You know where the information is--scientific journals, IPCC reports, etc. You're just trying to make your denial of the reality of global warming sound real.

by: jazzact13

08-02-2009 @ 8:14pm

Oh, dear, don't ask for proofs, please. Just take our word for it, and bow before algore the prophet.

Sorry, but this reply of yours is absolutely silly. Asking for proof is an attack? We should just take it as a given that global warming is real, despite the many who disagree?

But then, what is a buckeye but a...

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2009 @ 1:33pm

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 1:34pm

Proof? Stat? Source?

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2009 @ 2:07pm

What fascinates me, Justintime, is how Hannity2 and Xfree immediately attack global warming without commenting on or dealing with the subject of the article: the possibility of an imminent refugee crisis.

I wonder what they will do when the crisis is upon us, regardless of its cause. Since melting ice caps, shifting climate patters throughout the world, and other obvious effects of climate change are already upon us, I wonder how much additional evidence will be required before they finally admit that climate change is real.

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 1:44pm

If xfree's beach house was under water, he still wouldn't believe the planet is warming.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2009 @ 2:08pm

LOL!!

by: mcvitty

08-01-2009 @ 2:23pm

Read the full article and you will have all the stats and sources you need.

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 3:54pm

Global warming denier Xfree has demonstrated over and over again just how immune he is to climate science and the facts on the ground.
Free market libertarian Xfree has demonstrated over and over again just how indifferent he is to the suffering of America's unfortunate poor.
Xfree ideology boils down to:

This is the best of all possible worlds.
Anything you can think of to make things better will only make things worse.
So it's best to relax, kick back and make the best of the way things are.
After all, you've got yours, haven't you?

Unfortunately Xfree is only one of many boneheaded conservatives who subscribe to this increasingly irrelevant ideology.

by: xfree9

08-01-2009 @ 7:14pm

First of all, name-calling is unnecessary. It simply shows your immaturity. Second, I think taking care of our planet is an important aspect of Christian ethics and social good. Third, this is not the best of all possible worlds. I've never said that, so it is unfair for you to state it.

And lastly, the point of the article itself is useless if the presumption is false. He didn't prove his presumption, so I remain skeptical.

by: xfree9

08-01-2009 @ 7:14pm

Those aren't official stats, unless of course the author did his own research and study.

by: xfree9

08-01-2009 @ 7:17pm

What fascinates me, Justintime, is how Hannity2 and Xfree immediately attack global warming without commenting on or dealing with the subject of the article: the possibility of an imminent refugee crisis.

Asking to cite a source is not an attack. If I claim that you're defrauding somebody financially, and you ask me for proof, you are not "attacking" me.

Also, if the premise is wrong, so is the point of the article.

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 11:41pm

Third, this is not the best of all possible worlds. I've never said that, so it is unfair for you to state it.

If you think this is not the best of all possible worlds, then what do you think might possibly be wrong with it?
And what would you propose to do to make the world a better place to live?

I've always thought of you as basically a good person, Xfree, and I'm sure if we were to meet in real life, we would get along just fine as long as we didn't talk about your boneheaded political/economic ideology.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-02-2009 @ 9:30am

Sorry, but it most certainly was an attack. Your "request" for sources is a red herring. You know where the information is--scientific journals, IPCC reports, etc. You're just trying to make your denial of the reality of global warming sound real.

by: jazzact13

08-02-2009 @ 8:14pm

Oh, dear, don't ask for proofs, please. Just take our word for it, and bow before algore the prophet.

Sorry, but this reply of yours is absolutely silly. Asking for proof is an attack? We should just take it as a given that global warming is real, despite the many who disagree?

But then, what is a buckeye but a...

by: BuckeyeDon

08-02-2009 @ 8:49pm

"bow before algore the prophet..."

Who mentioned Al Gore? I was talking about the actual scientific evidence--the evidence that Gore used in his documentary, by the way, but the evidence that anyone can look up for him/herself. Nobody is taking Al Gore's word for it.

But it's the same evidence that you, Xfree and the other deniers refuse to even look at. That's why Xfree's asking for evidence was an attack on global warming--he knows darn well where the evidence is.

"...despite the many who disagree?"

Anyone can disagree. Can anyone back up his/her disagreement with evidence that refutes the actual scientific findings? I haven't seen any.

"But then, what is a buckeye but a... "

Your use of ad hominems tells us all that you have nothing constructive to say.

From the Comment Code of Contact at the top of this comments section:
"I will express my disagreements with other community members' ideas without insulting, mocking, or slandering them personally. (Matthew 5:22) "

by: jazzact13

08-02-2009 @ 8:23pm

Or is this how such as you define "proof"?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009...

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/politic...

It's real easy to say something is "proven" when all evidence to the contrary is silenced. Evolutionists having been practicing and perfecting that tactic for years.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-02-2009 @ 8:49pm

"bow before algore the prophet..."

Who mentioned Al Gore? I was talking about the actual scientific evidence--the evidence that Gore used in his documentary, by the way, but the evidence that anyone can look up for him/herself. Nobody is taking Al Gore's word for it.

But it's the same evidence that you, Xfree and the other deniers refuse to even look at. That's why Xfree's asking for evidence was an attack on global warming--he knows darn well where the evidence is.

"...despite the many who disagree?"

Anyone can disagree. Can anyone back up his/her disagreement with evidence that refutes the actual scientific findings? I haven't seen any.

"But then, what is a buckeye but a... "

Your use of ad hominems tells us all that you have nothing constructive to say.

From the Comment Code of Contact at the top of this comments section:
"I will express my disagreements with other community members' ideas without insulting, mocking, or slandering them personally. (Matthew 5:22) "

by: jazzact13

08-02-2009 @ 8:23pm

Or is this how such as you define "proof"?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009...

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/politic...

It's real easy to say something is "proven" when all evidence to the contrary is silenced. Evolutionists having been practicing and perfecting that tactic for years.

by: Palosaari

08-13-2009 @ 3:16pm

Indeed. A sobering thought is that Bangladesh, with it's population of 162 million, is predicted to be nearly entirely underwater by 2050. That's one country, with a lot of future refugees.

by: Palosaari

08-13-2009 @ 1:16pm

Indeed. A sobering thought is that Bangladesh, with it's population of 162 million, is predicted to be nearly entirely underwater by 2050. That's one country, with a lot of future refugees.

by: ShazamMan

08-06-2009 @ 7:36pm

The utter arrogance of human beings to think that we can change the climate.

Genesis 8:22: "While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, Cold and heat, Winter and summer, And day and night Shall not cease."

Revelation 8:9-11: "And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. Then the third angel sounded: And a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter."

by: Daylight

08-03-2009 @ 4:58pm

"Global Warming Will Mean Migrant Crises" - was the headlines found written on a stone tablet buried in a cave in northern Canada. The tablet was believed to be from the period of the First Ice Age as it was discovered next to the carcass of a Mastodon.

Wondered what caused that Global Warming crisis?

by: jazzact13

08-03-2009 @ 4:25pm

--Who mentioned Al Gore?--

I did. He is, after all, the prophet of the coming global apocalypse.

--I was talking about the actual scientific evidence--the evidence that Gore used in his documentary, by the way,--

Oh, you mean the evidence that a British court found to be false?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/...

--That's why Xfree's asking for evidence was an attack on global warming--he knows darn well where the evidence is.--

If it is so easy to find, then your pontificating is useless, and you should put forth these 'facts' silence us here.

--Anyone can disagree. Can anyone back up his/her disagreement with evidence that refutes the actual scientific findings? I haven't seen any.--

Now who isn't looking.

--Your use of ad hominems tells us all that you have nothing constructive to say.--

Ah, touchy, aren't you??? You can accuse people of "attacking" by asking for evidence, but a bit of biting humor in regards to you chosen handle, and the fangs are bared.

Ah, but isn't that how the game is played in your fantasy land.

Oh, and before you say I have nothing to contribute, how about contributing something yourself, outside of baseless and unsupported accusations.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-02-2009 @ 8:51pm

"It's real easy to say something is "proven" when all evidence to the contrary is silenced. "

What a laugh!!! The loudest, shrillest voices in the global warming debate are the ones that are trying to convince the rest of us it isn't real, it's a hoax, it's a left-wing conspiracy. Don't give me this nonsense about silencing.

It's the same story with creationists, by the way. Who's trying to silence them?

by: TheQuietMan

08-03-2009 @ 3:05pm

I think the problem we have here is that we have those that do not believe in global warming and those that are ardent believers with reems a scientific reports to back it up, yet the majority of the American population is raising there hands seeking guidance. While the left and right thug it out, the rest wait on the sidelines. It is not just about global warming. We can all admit that we are causing other damage to the environment with destruction of certain forests and wildlife. Our plastic is ending up in the ocean forming a large island shape formation of plastic in the middle of the Pacific. Coral reefs are dying and certian wild life is facing extinction. We are increasing our landfills with waste. At the end of the day, we can all agree that we would like to live in a safe and clean environment for us, our children and the future. So let's stop the talk about whether or not it is hotter and colder in July this year as opposed to other years and let's focus on the big picture. How do we live in a better environment? In addition, we probably should not call it Global Warming. We should call it Wacky Weather. You will see extremes in the country where there is a drought in part and flooding in the other.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-02-2009 @ 8:51pm

"It's real easy to say something is "proven" when all evidence to the contrary is silenced. "

What a laugh!!! The loudest, shrillest voices in the global warming debate are the ones that are trying to convince the rest of us it isn't real, it's a hoax, it's a left-wing conspiracy. Don't give me this nonsense about silencing.

It's the same story with creationists, by the way. Who's trying to silence them?

by: TheQuietMan

08-03-2009 @ 3:05pm

I think the problem we have here is that we have those that do not believe in global warming and those that are ardent believers with reems a scientific reports to back it up, yet the majority of the American population is raising there hands seeking guidance. While the left and right thug it out, the rest wait on the sidelines. It is not just about global warming. We can all admit that we are causing other damage to the environment with destruction of certain forests and wildlife. Our plastic is ending up in the ocean forming a large island shape formation of plastic in the middle of the Pacific. Coral reefs are dying and certian wild life is facing extinction. We are increasing our landfills with waste. At the end of the day, we can all agree that we would like to live in a safe and clean environment for us, our children and the future. So let's stop the talk about whether or not it is hotter and colder in July this year as opposed to other years and let's focus on the big picture. How do we live in a better environment? In addition, we probably should not call it Global Warming. We should call it Wacky Weather. You will see extremes in the country where there is a drought in part and flooding in the other.

by: Palosaari

08-13-2009 @ 1:16pm

Indeed. A sobering thought is that Bangladesh, with it's population of 162 million, is predicted to be nearly entirely underwater by 2050. That's one country, with a lot of future refugees.

by: ShazamMan

08-06-2009 @ 7:36pm

The utter arrogance of human beings to think that we can change the climate.

Genesis 8:22: "While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, Cold and heat, Winter and summer, And day and night Shall not cease."

Revelation 8:9-11: "And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. Then the third angel sounded: And a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter."

by: Daylight

08-03-2009 @ 4:58pm

"Global Warming Will Mean Migrant Crises" - was the headlines found written on a stone tablet buried in a cave in northern Canada. The tablet was believed to be from the period of the First Ice Age as it was discovered next to the carcass of a Mastodon.

Wondered what caused that Global Warming crisis?

by: jazzact13

08-03-2009 @ 4:25pm

--Who mentioned Al Gore?--

I did. He is, after all, the prophet of the coming global apocalypse.

--I was talking about the actual scientific evidence--the evidence that Gore used in his documentary, by the way,--

Oh, you mean the evidence that a British court found to be false?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/...

--That's why Xfree's asking for evidence was an attack on global warming--he knows darn well where the evidence is.--

If it is so easy to find, then your pontificating is useless, and you should put forth these 'facts' silence us here.

--Anyone can disagree. Can anyone back up his/her disagreement with evidence that refutes the actual scientific findings? I haven't seen any.--

Now who isn't looking.

--Your use of ad hominems tells us all that you have nothing constructive to say.--

Ah, touchy, aren't you??? You can accuse people of "attacking" by asking for evidence, but a bit of biting humor in regards to you chosen handle, and the fangs are bared.

Ah, but isn't that how the game is played in your fantasy land.

Oh, and before you say I have nothing to contribute, how about contributing something yourself, outside of baseless and unsupported accusations.

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by: xfree9

07-31-2009 @ 6:11pm

The planet is warming at an unprecedented rate

Proof? Stat? Source?

by: xfree9

07-31-2009 @ 6:11pm

The planet is warming at an unprecedented rate

Proof? Stat? Source?

by: Hannity2

08-01-2009 @ 11:08am

Here you go. There were over 3,000 record LOW temps set in July. Stop the presses. We need to start calling it Global Cooling!

http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-blogs.asp?bl...

by: Hannity2

08-01-2009 @ 11:08am

Here you go. There were over 3,000 record LOW temps set in July. Stop the presses. We need to start calling it Global Cooling!

http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-blogs.asp?bl...

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2009 @ 1:33pm

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2009 @ 1:33pm

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 1:34pm

Proof? Stat? Source?

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 1:34pm

Proof? Stat? Source?

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 1:44pm

If xfree's beach house was under water, he still wouldn't believe the planet is warming.

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 1:44pm

If xfree's beach house was under water, he still wouldn't believe the planet is warming.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2009 @ 2:07pm

What fascinates me, Justintime, is how Hannity2 and Xfree immediately attack global warming without commenting on or dealing with the subject of the article: the possibility of an imminent refugee crisis.

I wonder what they will do when the crisis is upon us, regardless of its cause. Since melting ice caps, shifting climate patters throughout the world, and other obvious effects of climate change are already upon us, I wonder how much additional evidence will be required before they finally admit that climate change is real.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2009 @ 2:07pm

What fascinates me, Justintime, is how Hannity2 and Xfree immediately attack global warming without commenting on or dealing with the subject of the article: the possibility of an imminent refugee crisis.

I wonder what they will do when the crisis is upon us, regardless of its cause. Since melting ice caps, shifting climate patters throughout the world, and other obvious effects of climate change are already upon us, I wonder how much additional evidence will be required before they finally admit that climate change is real.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2009 @ 2:08pm

LOL!!

by: BuckeyeDon

08-01-2009 @ 2:08pm

LOL!!

by: mcvitty

08-01-2009 @ 2:23pm

Read the full article and you will have all the stats and sources you need.

by: mcvitty

08-01-2009 @ 2:23pm

Read the full article and you will have all the stats and sources you need.

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 3:54pm

Global warming denier Xfree has demonstrated over and over again just how immune he is to climate science and the facts on the ground.
Free market libertarian Xfree has demonstrated over and over again just how indifferent he is to the suffering of America's unfortunate poor.
Xfree ideology boils down to:

This is the best of all possible worlds.
Anything you can think of to make things better will only make things worse.
So it's best to relax, kick back and make the best of the way things are.
After all, you've got yours, haven't you?

Unfortunately Xfree is only one of many boneheaded conservatives who subscribe to this increasingly irrelevant ideology.

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 3:54pm

Global warming denier Xfree has demonstrated over and over again just how immune he is to climate science and the facts on the ground.
Free market libertarian Xfree has demonstrated over and over again just how indifferent he is to the suffering of America's unfortunate poor.
Xfree ideology boils down to:

This is the best of all possible worlds.
Anything you can think of to make things better will only make things worse.
So it's best to relax, kick back and make the best of the way things are.
After all, you've got yours, haven't you?

Unfortunately Xfree is only one of many boneheaded conservatives who subscribe to this increasingly irrelevant ideology.

by: xfree9

08-01-2009 @ 7:14pm

First of all, name-calling is unnecessary. It simply shows your immaturity. Second, I think taking care of our planet is an important aspect of Christian ethics and social good. Third, this is not the best of all possible worlds. I've never said that, so it is unfair for you to state it.

And lastly, the point of the article itself is useless if the presumption is false. He didn't prove his presumption, so I remain skeptical.

by: xfree9

08-01-2009 @ 7:14pm

First of all, name-calling is unnecessary. It simply shows your immaturity. Second, I think taking care of our planet is an important aspect of Christian ethics and social good. Third, this is not the best of all possible worlds. I've never said that, so it is unfair for you to state it.

And lastly, the point of the article itself is useless if the presumption is false. He didn't prove his presumption, so I remain skeptical.

by: xfree9

08-01-2009 @ 7:14pm

Those aren't official stats, unless of course the author did his own research and study.

by: xfree9

08-01-2009 @ 7:14pm

Those aren't official stats, unless of course the author did his own research and study.

by: xfree9

08-01-2009 @ 7:17pm

What fascinates me, Justintime, is how Hannity2 and Xfree immediately attack global warming without commenting on or dealing with the subject of the article: the possibility of an imminent refugee crisis.

Asking to cite a source is not an attack. If I claim that you're defrauding somebody financially, and you ask me for proof, you are not "attacking" me.

Also, if the premise is wrong, so is the point of the article.

by: xfree9

08-01-2009 @ 7:17pm

What fascinates me, Justintime, is how Hannity2 and Xfree immediately attack global warming without commenting on or dealing with the subject of the article: the possibility of an imminent refugee crisis.

Asking to cite a source is not an attack. If I claim that you're defrauding somebody financially, and you ask me for proof, you are not "attacking" me.

Also, if the premise is wrong, so is the point of the article.

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 11:41pm

Third, this is not the best of all possible worlds. I've never said that, so it is unfair for you to state it.

If you think this is not the best of all possible worlds, then what do you think might possibly be wrong with it?
And what would you propose to do to make the world a better place to live?

I've always thought of you as basically a good person, Xfree, and I'm sure if we were to meet in real life, we would get along just fine as long as we didn't talk about your boneheaded political/economic ideology.

by: justintime

08-01-2009 @ 11:41pm

Third, this is not the best of all possible worlds. I've never said that, so it is unfair for you to state it.

If you think this is not the best of all possible worlds, then what do you think might possibly be wrong with it?
And what would you propose to do to make the world a better place to live?

I've always thought of you as basically a good person, Xfree, and I'm sure if we were to meet in real life, we would get along just fine as long as we didn't talk about your boneheaded political/economic ideology.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-02-2009 @ 9:30am

Sorry, but it most certainly was an attack. Your "request" for sources is a red herring. You know where the information is--scientific journals, IPCC reports, etc. You're just trying to make your denial of the reality of global warming sound real.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-02-2009 @ 9:30am

Sorry, but it most certainly was an attack. Your "request" for sources is a red herring. You know where the information is--scientific journals, IPCC reports, etc. You're just trying to make your denial of the reality of global warming sound real.

by: jazzact13

08-02-2009 @ 8:14pm

Oh, dear, don't ask for proofs, please. Just take our word for it, and bow before algore the prophet.

Sorry, but this reply of yours is absolutely silly. Asking for proof is an attack? We should just take it as a given that global warming is real, despite the many who disagree?

But then, what is a buckeye but a...

by: jazzact13

08-02-2009 @ 8:14pm

Oh, dear, don't ask for proofs, please. Just take our word for it, and bow before algore the prophet.

Sorry, but this reply of yours is absolutely silly. Asking for proof is an attack? We should just take it as a given that global warming is real, despite the many who disagree?

But then, what is a buckeye but a...

by: jazzact13

08-02-2009 @ 8:23pm

Or is this how such as you define "proof"?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009...

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/politic...

It's real easy to say something is "proven" when all evidence to the contrary is silenced. Evolutionists having been practicing and perfecting that tactic for years.

by: jazzact13

08-02-2009 @ 8:23pm

Or is this how such as you define "proof"?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009...

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/politic...

It's real easy to say something is "proven" when all evidence to the contrary is silenced. Evolutionists having been practicing and perfecting that tactic for years.

by: BuckeyeDon

08-02-2009 @ 8:49pm

"bow before algore the prophet..."

Who mentioned Al Gore? I was talking about the actual scientific evidence--the evidence that Gore used in his documentary, by the way, but the evidence that anyone can look up for him/herself. Nobody is taking Al Gore's word for it.

But it's the same evidence that you, Xfree and the other deniers refuse to even look at. That's why Xfree's asking for evidence was an attack on global warming--he knows darn well where the evidence is.

"...despite the many who disagree?"

Anyone can disagree. Can anyone back up his/her disagreement with evidence that refutes the actual scientific findings? I haven't seen any.

"But then, what is a buckeye but a... "

Your use of ad hominems tells us all that you have nothing constructive to say.

From the Comment Code of Contact at the top of this comments section:
"I will express my disagreements with other community members' ideas without insulting, mocking, or slandering them personally. (Matthew 5:22) "

by: BuckeyeDon

08-02-2009 @ 8:49pm

"bow before algore the prophet..."

Who mentioned Al Gore? I was talking about the actual scientific evidence--the evidence that Gore used in his documentary, by the way, but the evidence that anyone can look up for him/herself. Nobody is taking Al Gore's word for it.

But it's the same evidence that you, Xfree and the other deniers refuse to even look at. That's why Xfree's asking for evidence was an attack on global warming--he knows darn well where the evidence is.

"...despite the many who disagree?"

Anyone can disagree. Can anyone back up his/her disagreement with evidence that refutes the actual scientific findings? I haven't seen any.

"But then, what is a buckeye but a... "

Your use of ad hominems tells us all that you have nothing constructive to say.

From the Comment Code of Contact at the top of this comments section:
"I will express my disagreements with other community members' ideas without insulting, mocking, or slandering them personally. (Matthew 5:22) "

by: BuckeyeDon

08-02-2009 @ 8:51pm

"It's real easy to say something is "proven" when all evidence to the contrary is silenced. "

What a laugh!!! The loudest, shrillest voices in the global warming debate are the ones that are trying to convince the rest of us it isn't real, it's a hoax, it's a left-wing conspiracy. Don't give me this nonsense about silencing.

It's the same story with creationists, by the way. Who's trying to silence them?

by: BuckeyeDon

08-02-2009 @ 8:51pm

"It's real easy to say something is "proven" when all evidence to the contrary is silenced. "

What a laugh!!! The loudest, shrillest voices in the global warming debate are the ones that are trying to convince the rest of us it isn't real, it's a hoax, it's a left-wing conspiracy. Don't give me this nonsense about silencing.

It's the same story with creationists, by the way. Who's trying to silence them?

by: TheQuietMan

08-03-2009 @ 3:05pm

I think the problem we have here is that we have those that do not believe in global warming and those that are ardent believers with reems a scientific reports to back it up, yet the majority of the American population is raising there hands seeking guidance. While the left and right thug it out, the rest wait on the sidelines. It is not just about global warming. We can all admit that we are causing other damage to the environment with destruction of certain forests and wildlife. Our plastic is ending up in the ocean forming a large island shape formation of plastic in the middle of the Pacific. Coral reefs are dying and certian wild life is facing extinction. We are increasing our landfills with waste. At the end of the day, we can all agree that we would like to live in a safe and clean environment for us, our children and the future. So let's stop the talk about whether or not it is hotter and colder in July this year as opposed to other years and let's focus on the big picture. How do we live in a better environment? In addition, we probably should not call it Global Warming. We should call it Wacky Weather. You will see extremes in the country where there is a drought in part and flooding in the other.

by: TheQuietMan

08-03-2009 @ 3:05pm

I think the problem we have here is that we have those that do not believe in global warming and those that are ardent believers with reems a scientific reports to back it up, yet the majority of the American population is raising there hands seeking guidance. While the left and right thug it out, the rest wait on the sidelines. It is not just about global warming. We can all admit that we are causing other damage to the environment with destruction of certain forests and wildlife. Our plastic is ending up in the ocean forming a large island shape formation of plastic in the middle of the Pacific. Coral reefs are dying and certian wild life is facing extinction. We are increasing our landfills with waste. At the end of the day, we can all agree that we would like to live in a safe and clean environment for us, our children and the future. So let's stop the talk about whether or not it is hotter and colder in July this year as opposed to other years and let's focus on the big picture. How do we live in a better environment? In addition, we probably should not call it Global Warming. We should call it Wacky Weather. You will see extremes in the country where there is a drought in part and flooding in the other.

by: jazzact13

08-03-2009 @ 4:25pm

--Who mentioned Al Gore?--

I did. He is, after all, the prophet of the coming global apocalypse.

--I was talking about the actual scientific evidence--the evidence that Gore used in his documentary, by the way,--

Oh, you mean the evidence that a British court found to be false?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/...

--That's why Xfree's asking for evidence was an attack on global warming--he knows darn well where the evidence is.--

If it is so easy to find, then your pontificating is useless, and you should put forth these 'facts' silence us here.

--Anyone can disagree. Can anyone back up his/her disagreement with evidence that refutes the actual scientific findings? I haven't seen any.--

Now who isn't looking.

--Your use of ad hominems tells us all that you have nothing constructive to say.--

Ah, touchy, aren't you??? You can accuse people of "attacking" by asking for evidence, but a bit of biting humor in regards to you chosen handle, and the fangs are bared.

Ah, but isn't that how the game is played in your fantasy land.

Oh, and before you say I have nothing to contribute, how about contributing something yourself, outside of baseless and unsupported accusations.

by: jazzact13

08-03-2009 @ 4:25pm

--Who mentioned Al Gore?--

I did. He is, after all, the prophet of the coming global apocalypse.

--I was talking about the actual scientific evidence--the evidence that Gore used in his documentary, by the way,--

Oh, you mean the evidence that a British court found to be false?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/...

--That's why Xfree's asking for evidence was an attack on global warming--he knows darn well where the evidence is.--

If it is so easy to find, then your pontificating is useless, and you should put forth these 'facts' silence us here.

--Anyone can disagree. Can anyone back up his/her disagreement with evidence that refutes the actual scientific findings? I haven't seen any.--

Now who isn't looking.

--Your use of ad hominems tells us all that you have nothing constructive to say.--

Ah, touchy, aren't you??? You can accuse people of "attacking" by asking for evidence, but a bit of biting humor in regards to you chosen handle, and the fangs are bared.

Ah, but isn't that how the game is played in your fantasy land.

Oh, and before you say I have nothing to contribute, how about contributing something yourself, outside of baseless and unsupported accusations.

by: Daylight

08-03-2009 @ 4:58pm

"Global Warming Will Mean Migrant Crises" - was the headlines found written on a stone tablet buried in a cave in northern Canada. The tablet was believed to be from the period of the First Ice Age as it was discovered next to the carcass of a Mastodon.

Wondered what caused that Global Warming crisis?

by: Daylight

08-03-2009 @ 4:58pm

"Global Warming Will Mean Migrant Crises" - was the headlines found written on a stone tablet buried in a cave in northern Canada. The tablet was believed to be from the period of the First Ice Age as it was discovered next to the carcass of a Mastodon.

Wondered what caused that Global Warming crisis?

by: ShazamMan

08-06-2009 @ 7:36pm

The utter arrogance of human beings to think that we can change the climate.

Genesis 8:22: "While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, Cold and heat, Winter and summer, And day and night Shall not cease."

Revelation 8:9-11: "And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. Then the third angel sounded: And a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter."

by: ShazamMan

08-06-2009 @ 7:36pm

The utter arrogance of human beings to think that we can change the climate.

Genesis 8:22: "While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, Cold and heat, Winter and summer, And day and night Shall not cease."

Revelation 8:9-11: "And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. Then the third angel sounded: And a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter."

by: Palosaari

08-13-2009 @ 1:16pm

Indeed. A sobering thought is that Bangladesh, with it's population of 162 million, is predicted to be nearly entirely underwater by 2050. That's one country, with a lot of future refugees.

by: Palosaari

08-13-2009 @ 1:16pm

Indeed. A sobering thought is that Bangladesh, with it's population of 162 million, is predicted to be nearly entirely underwater by 2050. That's one country, with a lot of future refugees.

by: Palosaari

08-13-2009 @ 3:16pm

Indeed. A sobering thought is that Bangladesh, with it's population of 162 million, is predicted to be nearly entirely underwater by 2050. That's one country, with a lot of future refugees.

by: Palosaari

08-13-2009 @ 3:16pm

Indeed. A sobering thought is that Bangladesh, with it's population of 162 million, is predicted to be nearly entirely underwater by 2050. That's one country, with a lot of future refugees.