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How to Bring a 9-Year-Old to Christ

In the August 2009 issue of Harper's Magazine, Brooklyn-based writer Rachel Aviv penned an article titled "Like I was Jesus: How to Bring a 9-Year-Old to Christ." I was intrigued enough by this article to shoot her an e-mail and ask her some questions about her experiences researching this piece.

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How would you describe the Child Evangelism Fellowship?

The Child Evangelism Fellowship is an international ministry that claims to save more than one million children each year - generally between the ages of 5 and 12. Since 1937, the ministry has been holding Bible clubs in homes, public parks, and housing projects, but in 2001, they won the right, in the Supreme Court case Good News Club vs. Milford Central School, to hold Bible clubs in public schools. At each Bible club, they ask "unsaved" children if they want to devote their lives to Christ - this process can take less than 10 minutes. Some children they reach have little or no previous knowledge of Jesus.

How were you able to get media access to the Child Evangelism Fellowship's team in Connecticut?

With some difficulty. I first tried ministries in New Jersey and New York, and they both said they did not feel comfortable having me tag along with their missionaries since I was writing for a secular publication. The leader of the Connecticut ministry, named Josh, was just 23, and he wasn't interested in politics. I told him I had always been interested in how a child imagines God. As a kid I had been uncomfortably superstitious and convinced that every mundane thing I did had some sort of cosmic ramification. Josh, too, was naturally curious, and perhaps a bit anxious, about what exactly it means for an 8-year-old to believe.

Describe a typical day in the life of the team you observed.

After the missionaries arrived at a housing project, they would knock on every door in the neighborhood inviting children to their Bible clubs. They handed out a flier which describes the Bible clubs (which were held every day for a week) as an hour of fun singing songs, playing games, and hearing Bible stories.

The missionaries also frequently approached children outdoors, while they were riding their bikes or hanging around the playground. They might enter the conversation by saying something like, "Do you want to hear a story? It's the best story in the world." When the kids expressed interest, the missionaries would tell the gospel to them right there. When talking to the younger kids, the missionaries used what they called an Evangecube, a seven-panel plastic toy that tells the story of Jesus in pictures. They told the children that "accepting Jesus is as easy as A B C. 'A' stands for Admit you are a sinner. 'B' is for Believe that Jesus went on the cross and died for your sins. And 'C' is for Choose to accept him as the boss of your life and go to heaven forever."

How did the kids and their parents who were being recruited respond to these team members?

I was surprised by how receptive parents were to the missionaries. Although parents were invited to watch the clubs, most never did. Some of the parents thought of the clubs as a kind of free baby-sitting. I am doubtful that many of them realized that their kids would be asked to convert on the spot.

As for the children, some seemed to simply enjoy the snacks and games. But there were many who took what they learned very seriously, even if they couldn't quite comprehend what it meant. In the Harper's story, I write about one boy who had injured his knee prior to the Bible clubs and, when he was "saved," he was sure that his knee would be healed. He kept waiting and waiting for Jesus to fix his knee. When it took longer than he had imagined, he decided that Jesus always responds with a one-week delay.

What follow-up, if any, was provided for these children once the clubs were over?

A few of the children who were saved over the summer might continue to interact with the missionaries if Bible clubs were held in their public schools. The ministry also returned to a few of the housing projects and held weekly Bible clubs during the school year. But there was a substantial portion of children who never saw the missionaries again

What is the relationship of the Child Evangelism Project to the local school boards?

It is my understanding that in many Southern states this relationship is very cozy. In Connecticut, it was a bit more strained. The administrators knew they had to let the Child Evangelism Fellowship use their facilities because of the Supreme Court decision, but there seemed to be a good deal of confusion about what was actually taking place at the bible clubs. I talked to one superintendent in Wolcott, Connecticut, where the Good New Clubs had been held, and he was under the impression that the missionaries helped children do their homework. But, of course, the missionaries are not trained to give homework help. Many of them are still in high school, some even in middle school.

What did you observe were this group's overall objectives?

The Fellowship wants to reach children while their minds are blank slates and they are still free of secular education. The Fellowship has a textbook, which is required reading for all missionaries, and it lists Satan's top 10 attacks on the child. In addition to violence, drugs, and sex, the list includes "humanism" and "ethics." The Fellowship is nostalgic for an earlier time in our history when there was just one "truth" - not multiple truths, as most modern educators believe - and the church was a more established fixture in public life. After the Supreme Court victory, Matthew Staver, a Liberty Counsel lawyer who represents the Fellowship, said that the decision "literally turned back the historical clock." He calls Good News Clubs an "effective Sunday school, which can now be transported to the public school by Christian teachers immediately after the last bell."

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by: Joe_Allen_Doty

08-10-2009 @ 4:38pm

"Christ" is Jesus' heavenly position title. When I got saved at age 8, I didn't ask Christ to come into my heart; I asked Jesus to do that.

Several years ago, I attended a small independent church and during the Bible Study hour we used a little book called "Jesus Said." It has nothing but the words of Jesus in it and it gives the book, chapter and verse where each quote is found.

One of the guys would read from the context where a particular quote was and instead of saying "Jesus said," as was written in his Bible, he instead said, "Christ said . . . "

There is no place in the Bible where Jesus is talking and it has "Christ says" or "Christ said."

by: ando

08-10-2009 @ 5:22pm

My understanding is that Christ is the Greek word for Messiah, or Savior, which is what the Jews were and still are looking for. Also, some Latinos are named Jesus, so adding Cristo makes the distinction more real. I see Jesus as God incarnate, and Jesus Christ as who we profess our faith in as the One who bore our sins. Just an observation.

I don't know what to make of this blog. This being Sojo, I was expecting a critique of old-fashioned evangelism. I don't know much about CEF, but it seems in some ways similar to Jesus sending the disciples out two-by-two to proclaim the Good News. Jesus also said to "let the little children come on to me." I wonder how many times, deliberately or not, we've kept children away from Jesus through certain interpretations of the separation of church and state. Thank God for the Supreme Court's decision to allow bible studies in the public school.

It would be nice to see Sojourners focus a bit more on highlighting different outreaches to children, but that might preclude their priority on politics.

by: SisterMarie

08-10-2009 @ 2:19pm

"He kept waiting and waiting for Jesus to fix his knee. When it took longer than he had imagined, he decided that Jesus always responds with a one-week delay."

With Reverend Ainsley, it happens instantaneously. "Can you hear me now?"

by: TedVothJr

08-10-2009 @ 6:59pm

'Thank God for the Supreme Court's decision to allow bible studies in the public school.'

The devil's second-best trick was Constantine's establishment of the Church; that's when, as Campolo says, 'The ice cream was mixed with the horse manure.'

As a Christian and a citizen I'm made intensely uncomfortable by Bible studies in public schools

by: ando

08-10-2009 @ 8:01pm

"As a Christian and a citizen I'm made intensely uncomfortable by Bible studies in public schools

by: canucklehead

08-10-2009 @ 11:19pm

Say-uh Bay-bee, uh - o loowik at watt the Loh-ward uh has-uh done-uh

by: canucklehead

08-10-2009 @ 11:25pm

Becky - I was hoping you would ask something about her overall objective in writing the story. When I finished it, I wanted to say, "ok, yeah, AND..." ...apart from her periodic snide comments which prompted me to wonder if she just wanted to skewer CEF, was the only objective to "warn" how this group is proseletyzing - is there anybody out there now days who isn't proseletyzing? (I think I'm spelling that wrawng)

by: letjusticerolldown

08-11-2009 @ 12:06am

Clubs are after school. Not part of the school program.

by: letjusticerolldown

08-11-2009 @ 12:14am

I found post interesting. Interesting on the level as to why Ms Garrison found it interesting. It's like having Bill O'Reilly follow Jim Wallis around for a week and then Ms Garrison interviewing O'Reilly about Jim Wallis.

To me the best 'on-the-ground' movement of ministries incarnating the kind of holistic ministry Sojourners has advocated is the Christian Community Development Association. That movement was most profoundly shaped by John and Vera Mae Perkins and birthed out of their child evangelism outreach to thousands of children in Mississippi.

I imagine some CEF missionaries see their job as done after the conversion. Others will give their lives to those children/places and see leaders who emerge with a passionate love for Jesus and for justice/healing in their communities.

by: 1Grace

08-11-2009 @ 1:17am

"It would be nice to see Sojourners focus a bit more on highlighting different outreaches to children,"

I am not sure sure why either , bit there is something quite strange writing in a positive fashion about folks who have no belief in the resurrection , then providing a caricature of an organization you believe does little because it Evangelizes . I understand the point about Evangelizing and then leaving the person to go back to their world alone with the support of other Christians in their life . Especially at a young age . But is does not seem to be the real point here , the belief Jesus Christ in your Heart does not change things . It Changes everything .

I am looking forward to the day our churches realize we are suppose to do the things Jesus did , Heal the Sick , Be full of the spirit in love and giving . Hopefully some of those children when they reach a point in their life where they see a need for something extra in their life , will remember the seed these children Evangelists planted .

In the mean time I wonder how many people Becky brought to the Lord this year , how many times she prayed for a person to free from illness .
Then wonder if she would like it written about .

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

08-10-2009 @ 4:38pm

"Christ" is Jesus' heavenly position title. When I got saved at age 8, I didn't ask Christ to come into my heart; I asked Jesus to do that.

Several years ago, I attended a small independent church and during the Bible Study hour we used a little book called "Jesus Said." It has nothing but the words of Jesus in it and it gives the book, chapter and verse where each quote is found.

One of the guys would read from the context where a particular quote was and instead of saying "Jesus said," as was written in his Bible, he instead said, "Christ said . . . "

There is no place in the Bible where Jesus is talking and it has "Christ says" or "Christ said."

by: ando

08-10-2009 @ 5:22pm

My understanding is that Christ is the Greek word for Messiah, or Savior, which is what the Jews were and still are looking for. Also, some Latinos are named Jesus, so adding Cristo makes the distinction more real. I see Jesus as God incarnate, and Jesus Christ as who we profess our faith in as the One who bore our sins. Just an observation.

I don't know what to make of this blog. This being Sojo, I was expecting a critique of old-fashioned evangelism. I don't know much about CEF, but it seems in some ways similar to Jesus sending the disciples out two-by-two to proclaim the Good News. Jesus also said to "let the little children come on to me." I wonder how many times, deliberately or not, we've kept children away from Jesus through certain interpretations of the separation of church and state. Thank God for the Supreme Court's decision to allow bible studies in the public school.

It would be nice to see Sojourners focus a bit more on highlighting different outreaches to children, but that might preclude their priority on politics.

by: Palosaari

08-14-2009 @ 6:28pm

It kind of turned my stomach to read this. They were going getting kids to convert, when by their own admission the parents weren't entirely clear what the group was up to. How would we feel if a Muslim group or a Hindu group was providing "free babysitting", but not being clear that they would work on and ask our young kids to become Muslims or Hindus? We would feel this was blatantly unethical, and be up in arms- as should the parents of these kids when a Christian group does the same.

Anything like this done with children should be done with great care, respecting the wishes of the parents, and recognizing the great susceptibility a child's gullabity provides.

by: TedVothJr

08-10-2009 @ 6:59pm

'Thank God for the Supreme Court's decision to allow bible studies in the public school.'

The devil's second-best trick was Constantine's establishment of the Church; that's when, as Campolo says, 'The ice cream was mixed with the horse manure.'

As a Christian and a citizen I'm made intensely uncomfortable by Bible studies in public schools

by: ando

08-10-2009 @ 8:01pm

"As a Christian and a citizen I'm made intensely uncomfortable by Bible studies in public schools

by: canucklehead

08-10-2009 @ 11:19pm

Say-uh Bay-bee, uh - o loowik at watt the Loh-ward uh has-uh done-uh

by: canucklehead

08-10-2009 @ 11:25pm

Becky - I was hoping you would ask something about her overall objective in writing the story. When I finished it, I wanted to say, "ok, yeah, AND..." ...apart from her periodic snide comments which prompted me to wonder if she just wanted to skewer CEF, was the only objective to "warn" how this group is proseletyzing - is there anybody out there now days who isn't proseletyzing? (I think I'm spelling that wrawng)

by: letjusticerolldown

08-11-2009 @ 12:06am

Clubs are after school. Not part of the school program.

by: letjusticerolldown

08-11-2009 @ 12:14am

I found post interesting. Interesting on the level as to why Ms Garrison found it interesting. It's like having Bill O'Reilly follow Jim Wallis around for a week and then Ms Garrison interviewing O'Reilly about Jim Wallis.

To me the best 'on-the-ground' movement of ministries incarnating the kind of holistic ministry Sojourners has advocated is the Christian Community Development Association. That movement was most profoundly shaped by John and Vera Mae Perkins and birthed out of their child evangelism outreach to thousands of children in Mississippi.

I imagine some CEF missionaries see their job as done after the conversion. Others will give their lives to those children/places and see leaders who emerge with a passionate love for Jesus and for justice/healing in their communities.

by: 1Grace

08-11-2009 @ 1:17am

"It would be nice to see Sojourners focus a bit more on highlighting different outreaches to children,"

I am not sure sure why either , bit there is something quite strange writing in a positive fashion about folks who have no belief in the resurrection , then providing a caricature of an organization you believe does little because it Evangelizes . I understand the point about Evangelizing and then leaving the person to go back to their world alone with the support of other Christians in their life . Especially at a young age . But is does not seem to be the real point here , the belief Jesus Christ in your Heart does not change things . It Changes everything .

I am looking forward to the day our churches realize we are suppose to do the things Jesus did , Heal the Sick , Be full of the spirit in love and giving . Hopefully some of those children when they reach a point in their life where they see a need for something extra in their life , will remember the seed these children Evangelists planted .

In the mean time I wonder how many people Becky brought to the Lord this year , how many times she prayed for a person to free from illness .
Then wonder if she would like it written about .

by: TedVothJr

08-11-2009 @ 6:55pm

Good; no public subsidy? not using public buildings?

Love your handle, justice!

<3 TV2

by: letjusticerolldown

08-12-2009 @ 2:52am

No public subsidies. Private groups have limited (per non-discriminatory school policies) access to after-hour usage of public school facilities.

Of course some jurisdictions do mandate certain words/ideas not be allowed in school facilities during school or sometimes after school. e.g. Boy Scouts pledge

by: TedVothJr

08-11-2009 @ 6:55pm

Good; no public subsidy? not using public buildings?

Love your handle, justice!

<3 TV2

by: Common Loon

08-12-2009 @ 6:09pm

True.

If we care enough about children to save them from poverty, injustice, disease and abuse based on Scriptural teachings affirming their inherent dignity in the image of God, I don't see why we should not also carry out the Scriptural call to evangelism. If the health of the body matters, why not also the health of the soul? Unless of course, we've already rejected the idea of evangelism since it steps on the toes of universalists.

But what if we really do believe in the crazy notion that childlike faith is open to (gasp) children? Are we not allowed to tell kids about Jesus until they're sophisticated enough to read Harper's magazine?

by: letjusticerolldown

08-12-2009 @ 2:52am

No public subsidies. Private groups have limited (per non-discriminatory school policies) access to after-hour usage of public school facilities.

Of course some jurisdictions do mandate certain words/ideas not be allowed in school facilities during school or sometimes after school. e.g. Boy Scouts pledge

by: ando

08-12-2009 @ 7:11pm

Great post. Can I use it at some other point, or do you have a copyright?
:)

by: Common Loon

08-12-2009 @ 6:09pm

True.

If we care enough about children to save them from poverty, injustice, disease and abuse based on Scriptural teachings affirming their inherent dignity in the image of God, I don't see why we should not also carry out the Scriptural call to evangelism. If the health of the body matters, why not also the health of the soul? Unless of course, we've already rejected the idea of evangelism since it steps on the toes of universalists.

But what if we really do believe in the crazy notion that childlike faith is open to (gasp) children? Are we not allowed to tell kids about Jesus until they're sophisticated enough to read Harper's magazine?

by: ando

08-12-2009 @ 7:11pm

Great post. Can I use it at some other point, or do you have a copyright?
:)

by: Palosaari

08-14-2009 @ 6:28pm

It kind of turned my stomach to read this. They were going getting kids to convert, when by their own admission the parents weren't entirely clear what the group was up to. How would we feel if a Muslim group or a Hindu group was providing "free babysitting", but not being clear that they would work on and ask our young kids to become Muslims or Hindus? We would feel this was blatantly unethical, and be up in arms- as should the parents of these kids when a Christian group does the same.

Anything like this done with children should be done with great care, respecting the wishes of the parents, and recognizing the great susceptibility a child's gullabity provides.

by: ando

08-12-2009 @ 7:26pm

Teaching a child about Unitarianism. I'd love to see a Prairie Home Companion skit about that one.

by: Palosaari

08-14-2009 @ 4:28pm

It kind of turned my stomach to read this. They were going getting kids to convert, when by their own admission the parents weren't entirely clear what the group was up to. How would we feel if a Muslim group or a Hindu group was providing "free babysitting", but not being clear that they would work on and ask our young kids to become Muslims or Hindus? We would feel this was blatantly unethical, and be up in arms- as should the parents of these kids when a Christian group does the same.

Anything like this done with children should be done with great care, respecting the wishes of the parents, and recognizing the great susceptibility a child's gullabity provides.

by: ando

08-12-2009 @ 7:26pm

Teaching a child about Unitarianism. I'd love to see a Prairie Home Companion skit about that one.

by: Palosaari

08-14-2009 @ 4:28pm

It kind of turned my stomach to read this. They were going getting kids to convert, when by their own admission the parents weren't entirely clear what the group was up to. How would we feel if a Muslim group or a Hindu group was providing "free babysitting", but not being clear that they would work on and ask our young kids to become Muslims or Hindus? We would feel this was blatantly unethical, and be up in arms- as should the parents of these kids when a Christian group does the same.

Anything like this done with children should be done with great care, respecting the wishes of the parents, and recognizing the great susceptibility a child's gullabity provides.

by: SisterMarie

08-10-2009 @ 2:19pm

"He kept waiting and waiting for Jesus to fix his knee. When it took longer than he had imagined, he decided that Jesus always responds with a one-week delay."

With Reverend Ainsley, it happens instantaneously. "Can you hear me now?"

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by: SisterMarie

08-10-2009 @ 2:19pm

"He kept waiting and waiting for Jesus to fix his knee. When it took longer than he had imagined, he decided that Jesus always responds with a one-week delay."

With Reverend Ainsley, it happens instantaneously. "Can you hear me now?"

by: SisterMarie

08-10-2009 @ 2:19pm

"He kept waiting and waiting for Jesus to fix his knee. When it took longer than he had imagined, he decided that Jesus always responds with a one-week delay."

With Reverend Ainsley, it happens instantaneously. "Can you hear me now?"

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

08-10-2009 @ 4:38pm

"Christ" is Jesus' heavenly position title. When I got saved at age 8, I didn't ask Christ to come into my heart; I asked Jesus to do that.

Several years ago, I attended a small independent church and during the Bible Study hour we used a little book called "Jesus Said." It has nothing but the words of Jesus in it and it gives the book, chapter and verse where each quote is found.

One of the guys would read from the context where a particular quote was and instead of saying "Jesus said," as was written in his Bible, he instead said, "Christ said . . . "

There is no place in the Bible where Jesus is talking and it has "Christ says" or "Christ said."

by: Joe_Allen_Doty

08-10-2009 @ 4:38pm

"Christ" is Jesus' heavenly position title. When I got saved at age 8, I didn't ask Christ to come into my heart; I asked Jesus to do that.

Several years ago, I attended a small independent church and during the Bible Study hour we used a little book called "Jesus Said." It has nothing but the words of Jesus in it and it gives the book, chapter and verse where each quote is found.

One of the guys would read from the context where a particular quote was and instead of saying "Jesus said," as was written in his Bible, he instead said, "Christ said . . . "

There is no place in the Bible where Jesus is talking and it has "Christ says" or "Christ said."

by: ando

08-10-2009 @ 5:22pm

My understanding is that Christ is the Greek word for Messiah, or Savior, which is what the Jews were and still are looking for. Also, some Latinos are named Jesus, so adding Cristo makes the distinction more real. I see Jesus as God incarnate, and Jesus Christ as who we profess our faith in as the One who bore our sins. Just an observation.

I don't know what to make of this blog. This being Sojo, I was expecting a critique of old-fashioned evangelism. I don't know much about CEF, but it seems in some ways similar to Jesus sending the disciples out two-by-two to proclaim the Good News. Jesus also said to "let the little children come on to me." I wonder how many times, deliberately or not, we've kept children away from Jesus through certain interpretations of the separation of church and state. Thank God for the Supreme Court's decision to allow bible studies in the public school.

It would be nice to see Sojourners focus a bit more on highlighting different outreaches to children, but that might preclude their priority on politics.

by: ando

08-10-2009 @ 5:22pm

My understanding is that Christ is the Greek word for Messiah, or Savior, which is what the Jews were and still are looking for. Also, some Latinos are named Jesus, so adding Cristo makes the distinction more real. I see Jesus as God incarnate, and Jesus Christ as who we profess our faith in as the One who bore our sins. Just an observation.

I don't know what to make of this blog. This being Sojo, I was expecting a critique of old-fashioned evangelism. I don't know much about CEF, but it seems in some ways similar to Jesus sending the disciples out two-by-two to proclaim the Good News. Jesus also said to "let the little children come on to me." I wonder how many times, deliberately or not, we've kept children away from Jesus through certain interpretations of the separation of church and state. Thank God for the Supreme Court's decision to allow bible studies in the public school.

It would be nice to see Sojourners focus a bit more on highlighting different outreaches to children, but that might preclude their priority on politics.

by: TedVothJr

08-10-2009 @ 6:59pm

'Thank God for the Supreme Court's decision to allow bible studies in the public school.'

The devil's second-best trick was Constantine's establishment of the Church; that's when, as Campolo says, 'The ice cream was mixed with the horse manure.'

As a Christian and a citizen I'm made intensely uncomfortable by Bible studies in public schools

by: TedVothJr

08-10-2009 @ 6:59pm

'Thank God for the Supreme Court's decision to allow bible studies in the public school.'

The devil's second-best trick was Constantine's establishment of the Church; that's when, as Campolo says, 'The ice cream was mixed with the horse manure.'

As a Christian and a citizen I'm made intensely uncomfortable by Bible studies in public schools

by: ando

08-10-2009 @ 8:01pm

"As a Christian and a citizen I'm made intensely uncomfortable by Bible studies in public schools

by: ando

08-10-2009 @ 8:01pm

"As a Christian and a citizen I'm made intensely uncomfortable by Bible studies in public schools

by: canucklehead

08-10-2009 @ 11:19pm

Say-uh Bay-bee, uh - o loowik at watt the Loh-ward uh has-uh done-uh

by: canucklehead

08-10-2009 @ 11:19pm

Say-uh Bay-bee, uh - o loowik at watt the Loh-ward uh has-uh done-uh

by: canucklehead

08-10-2009 @ 11:25pm

Becky - I was hoping you would ask something about her overall objective in writing the story. When I finished it, I wanted to say, "ok, yeah, AND..." ...apart from her periodic snide comments which prompted me to wonder if she just wanted to skewer CEF, was the only objective to "warn" how this group is proseletyzing - is there anybody out there now days who isn't proseletyzing? (I think I'm spelling that wrawng)

by: canucklehead

08-10-2009 @ 11:25pm

Becky - I was hoping you would ask something about her overall objective in writing the story. When I finished it, I wanted to say, "ok, yeah, AND..." ...apart from her periodic snide comments which prompted me to wonder if she just wanted to skewer CEF, was the only objective to "warn" how this group is proseletyzing - is there anybody out there now days who isn't proseletyzing? (I think I'm spelling that wrawng)

by: letjusticerolldown

08-11-2009 @ 12:06am

Clubs are after school. Not part of the school program.

by: letjusticerolldown

08-11-2009 @ 12:06am

Clubs are after school. Not part of the school program.

by: letjusticerolldown

08-11-2009 @ 12:14am

I found post interesting. Interesting on the level as to why Ms Garrison found it interesting. It's like having Bill O'Reilly follow Jim Wallis around for a week and then Ms Garrison interviewing O'Reilly about Jim Wallis.

To me the best 'on-the-ground' movement of ministries incarnating the kind of holistic ministry Sojourners has advocated is the Christian Community Development Association. That movement was most profoundly shaped by John and Vera Mae Perkins and birthed out of their child evangelism outreach to thousands of children in Mississippi.

I imagine some CEF missionaries see their job as done after the conversion. Others will give their lives to those children/places and see leaders who emerge with a passionate love for Jesus and for justice/healing in their communities.

by: letjusticerolldown

08-11-2009 @ 12:14am

I found post interesting. Interesting on the level as to why Ms Garrison found it interesting. It's like having Bill O'Reilly follow Jim Wallis around for a week and then Ms Garrison interviewing O'Reilly about Jim Wallis.

To me the best 'on-the-ground' movement of ministries incarnating the kind of holistic ministry Sojourners has advocated is the Christian Community Development Association. That movement was most profoundly shaped by John and Vera Mae Perkins and birthed out of their child evangelism outreach to thousands of children in Mississippi.

I imagine some CEF missionaries see their job as done after the conversion. Others will give their lives to those children/places and see leaders who emerge with a passionate love for Jesus and for justice/healing in their communities.

by: 1Grace

08-11-2009 @ 1:17am

"It would be nice to see Sojourners focus a bit more on highlighting different outreaches to children,"

I am not sure sure why either , bit there is something quite strange writing in a positive fashion about folks who have no belief in the resurrection , then providing a caricature of an organization you believe does little because it Evangelizes . I understand the point about Evangelizing and then leaving the person to go back to their world alone with the support of other Christians in their life . Especially at a young age . But is does not seem to be the real point here , the belief Jesus Christ in your Heart does not change things . It Changes everything .

I am looking forward to the day our churches realize we are suppose to do the things Jesus did , Heal the Sick , Be full of the spirit in love and giving . Hopefully some of those children when they reach a point in their life where they see a need for something extra in their life , will remember the seed these children Evangelists planted .

In the mean time I wonder how many people Becky brought to the Lord this year , how many times she prayed for a person to free from illness .
Then wonder if she would like it written about .

by: 1Grace

08-11-2009 @ 1:17am

"It would be nice to see Sojourners focus a bit more on highlighting different outreaches to children,"

I am not sure sure why either , bit there is something quite strange writing in a positive fashion about folks who have no belief in the resurrection , then providing a caricature of an organization you believe does little because it Evangelizes . I understand the point about Evangelizing and then leaving the person to go back to their world alone with the support of other Christians in their life . Especially at a young age . But is does not seem to be the real point here , the belief Jesus Christ in your Heart does not change things . It Changes everything .

I am looking forward to the day our churches realize we are suppose to do the things Jesus did , Heal the Sick , Be full of the spirit in love and giving . Hopefully some of those children when they reach a point in their life where they see a need for something extra in their life , will remember the seed these children Evangelists planted .

In the mean time I wonder how many people Becky brought to the Lord this year , how many times she prayed for a person to free from illness .
Then wonder if she would like it written about .

by: TedVothJr

08-11-2009 @ 6:55pm

Good; no public subsidy? not using public buildings?

Love your handle, justice!

<3 TV2

by: TedVothJr

08-11-2009 @ 6:55pm

Good; no public subsidy? not using public buildings?

Love your handle, justice!

<3 TV2

by: letjusticerolldown

08-12-2009 @ 2:52am

No public subsidies. Private groups have limited (per non-discriminatory school policies) access to after-hour usage of public school facilities.

Of course some jurisdictions do mandate certain words/ideas not be allowed in school facilities during school or sometimes after school. e.g. Boy Scouts pledge

by: letjusticerolldown

08-12-2009 @ 2:52am

No public subsidies. Private groups have limited (per non-discriminatory school policies) access to after-hour usage of public school facilities.

Of course some jurisdictions do mandate certain words/ideas not be allowed in school facilities during school or sometimes after school. e.g. Boy Scouts pledge

by: Common Loon

08-12-2009 @ 6:09pm

True.

If we care enough about children to save them from poverty, injustice, disease and abuse based on Scriptural teachings affirming their inherent dignity in the image of God, I don't see why we should not also carry out the Scriptural call to evangelism. If the health of the body matters, why not also the health of the soul? Unless of course, we've already rejected the idea of evangelism since it steps on the toes of universalists.

But what if we really do believe in the crazy notion that childlike faith is open to (gasp) children? Are we not allowed to tell kids about Jesus until they're sophisticated enough to read Harper's magazine?

by: Common Loon

08-12-2009 @ 6:09pm

True.

If we care enough about children to save them from poverty, injustice, disease and abuse based on Scriptural teachings affirming their inherent dignity in the image of God, I don't see why we should not also carry out the Scriptural call to evangelism. If the health of the body matters, why not also the health of the soul? Unless of course, we've already rejected the idea of evangelism since it steps on the toes of universalists.

But what if we really do believe in the crazy notion that childlike faith is open to (gasp) children? Are we not allowed to tell kids about Jesus until they're sophisticated enough to read Harper's magazine?

by: ando

08-12-2009 @ 7:11pm

Great post. Can I use it at some other point, or do you have a copyright?
:)

by: ando

08-12-2009 @ 7:11pm

Great post. Can I use it at some other point, or do you have a copyright?
:)

by: ando

08-12-2009 @ 7:26pm

Teaching a child about Unitarianism. I'd love to see a Prairie Home Companion skit about that one.

by: ando

08-12-2009 @ 7:26pm

Teaching a child about Unitarianism. I'd love to see a Prairie Home Companion skit about that one.

by: Palosaari

08-14-2009 @ 4:28pm

It kind of turned my stomach to read this. They were going getting kids to convert, when by their own admission the parents weren't entirely clear what the group was up to. How would we feel if a Muslim group or a Hindu group was providing "free babysitting", but not being clear that they would work on and ask our young kids to become Muslims or Hindus? We would feel this was blatantly unethical, and be up in arms- as should the parents of these kids when a Christian group does the same.

Anything like this done with children should be done with great care, respecting the wishes of the parents, and recognizing the great susceptibility a child's gullabity provides.

by: Palosaari

08-14-2009 @ 4:28pm

It kind of turned my stomach to read this. They were going getting kids to convert, when by their own admission the parents weren't entirely clear what the group was up to. How would we feel if a Muslim group or a Hindu group was providing "free babysitting", but not being clear that they would work on and ask our young kids to become Muslims or Hindus? We would feel this was blatantly unethical, and be up in arms- as should the parents of these kids when a Christian group does the same.

Anything like this done with children should be done with great care, respecting the wishes of the parents, and recognizing the great susceptibility a child's gullabity provides.

by: Palosaari

08-14-2009 @ 6:28pm

It kind of turned my stomach to read this. They were going getting kids to convert, when by their own admission the parents weren't entirely clear what the group was up to. How would we feel if a Muslim group or a Hindu group was providing "free babysitting", but not being clear that they would work on and ask our young kids to become Muslims or Hindus? We would feel this was blatantly unethical, and be up in arms- as should the parents of these kids when a Christian group does the same.

Anything like this done with children should be done with great care, respecting the wishes of the parents, and recognizing the great susceptibility a child's gullabity provides.

by: Palosaari

08-14-2009 @ 6:28pm

It kind of turned my stomach to read this. They were going getting kids to convert, when by their own admission the parents weren't entirely clear what the group was up to. How would we feel if a Muslim group or a Hindu group was providing "free babysitting", but not being clear that they would work on and ask our young kids to become Muslims or Hindus? We would feel this was blatantly unethical, and be up in arms- as should the parents of these kids when a Christian group does the same.

Anything like this done with children should be done with great care, respecting the wishes of the parents, and recognizing the great susceptibility a child's gullabity provides.