Video: Jim Wallis and Tony Perkins Discuss Health-Care Reform on CNN

Personally, I do not have health insurance through my employer (I have a
catastrophic plan of my own). My employer is in a very competitive
business. So, I have a job instead of health insurance. The job pays the
bills better. If this plan passes and my employer is forced to "contribute"
to the gov't public option, I believe my employer will shut down the
business. So, I will have health care, but no job. Now, I am a ward of the
state (unemployment and health insurance through the government). Guess who
is paying for that? Not me, at that point, you and everyone else will be.
Here is what I have found. The GOTUS is very good at running anything. So,
lets find a way to improve the private system we have (allow for portability
between states, health savings/retirement accounts, allow *private* coops,
etc). I want less government instrusion, not more. I have a good idea.
Let's shut down half of the 700 military installations we have around the
world and let's see how much money we have left over. Besides, all the
European countries will have to defend themselves. At that point, let's see
how many of those countries will ditch their socialized medicine
plans. Finally, it is amazing to me that the church and non profits used to
be the only ones in the healthcare industry. As for your question about
letting conditions go, that is what is going to happen under rationed
government care. Keep the faith.

Tony's opening statement clearly dealt with the central issue that fueled the circular discussion on abortion (i.e. - There's a substantial difference between what Obama is promising and what the bill Obama is pushing actually contains. Guess which one becomes law.). With this kind of duplicity from Obama, people are totally justified in losing faith in him.

Watching exchanges like this make me wonder what's motivating Jim Wallis. Is he really so closed minded that he can't engage in a logical discussion instead of repeating his prepared speech? What kind of bribe is he receiving?

In Oregon and Washington State "the only state with a law permitting assisted suicide), Medicaid pays for assisted suicide for poor residents under the category of "comfort care." The drugs for assisted suicide cost less than $100 - far less than medications and treatments to make patients comfortable.

I would like to see Jim Wallis speak out on these issues , Perhaps if he did he would find his organization getting more support then just democrats who happen to be Christians . Even if he supports assisted suicide , liberal Christians have stated to me they have , surely he can understand the fact those who see it as state assisted murder have a valid point with concerns of government supported health care in the culture of today , and who knows about tomorrow?

Mick

Personally, I do not have health insurance through my employer (I have a
catastrophic plan of my own). My employer is in a very competitive
business. So, I have a job instead of health insurance. The job pays the
bills better. If this plan passes and my employer is forced to "contribute"
to the gov't public option, I believe my employer will shut down the
business. So, I will have health care, but no job. Now, I am a ward of the
state (unemployment and health insurance through the government). Guess who
is paying for that? Not me, at that point, you and everyone else will be.
Here is what I have found. The GOTUS is very good at running anything. So,
lets find a way to improve the private system we have (allow for portability
between states, health savings/retirement accounts, allow *private* coops,
etc). I want less government instrusion, not more. I have a good idea.
Let's shut down half of the 700 military installations we have around the
world and let's see how much money we have left over. Besides, all the
European countries will have to defend themselves. At that point, let's see
how many of those countries will ditch their socialized medicine
plans. Finally, it is amazing to me that the church and non profits used to
be the only ones in the healthcare industry. As for your question about
letting conditions go, that is what is going to happen under rationed
government care. Keep the faith.

1grace, didn't mean to clutter my previous post. I was only trying to say that there is no federal funding of assisted suicide, thru medicaid (according to the site posted by SisterMarie) and there are no death panels(according to the site). I didn't mean the things I pointed out to imply anything about what I believe about that particular issue.

I want to be seeing all sides of things but I also do not want to have so many issues become such a problem that we have to "throw the baby out with the bathwater". It appears that many, many people are very emotional about issues that they think might POSSIBLY be paid for by the HR bill. Those issues need to be addressed -- honestly. I think that there are people out there who are intent on seeing that this bill is never passed. I think their reasons are entirely selfish and they try to stir up confusion about what is being covered by this bill. Much of what they are saying is not true, based on what I have read. I believe SOME of the people posting here are being encouraged by those who have an interest in this failing.

I think it is important to see that every citizen of this country is insured. I believe that is a moral issue as important as any issue that concerns anyone else. As I said before it is something I have struggled with for twenty years or so. That fact has made me very aware of the need for a different system of providing healthcare coverage. Do I want this bill to pass. Yes, because there have been very few opportunities for this to be addressed. I do not believe any of our politicians will make the effort to try this again, for awhile, because they will be afraid of the political ramifications.

I sure would not give up my ss or medicare if given the choice . But I would also advise you and all to try and make sure your older years are not relying on the government . I hope to be able to continue to be an embassador for Our King in my later years , and wish not have to be in a position where I can not help others , but even myself. Those who put all their eggs into the mommy government may be quite disappointed .

I wonder how many people would raise their hands if they were asked how many trusted medicare and SS would be able to take care of them in their older years . I would not bet my life on it .

What say you ?

Hey, Here is the Oregon Death Panel in action that Tony Perkins was directing to http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/oregon-de... Oregon and Washington have physician assisted suicide (Washington state passed a bill into law just this past year. This is the type of care that the health care bill can support! The lady with cancer wants to live - and live as long as possible with all means possible (THAT IS HER CHOICE - but the state by its assisted suicide law doesn't give her that choice). Wake up America - this is just the beginning. God bless all that understand and show the way and pray that the others see the light.

1grace, didn't mean to clutter my previous post. I was only trying to say that there is no federal funding of assisted suicide, thru medicaid (according to the site posted by SisterMarie) and there are no death panels(according to the site). I didn't mean the things I pointed out to imply anything about what I believe about that particular issue.

I want to be seeing all sides of things but I also do not want to have so many issues become such a problem that we have to "throw the baby out with the bathwater". It appears that many, many people are very emotional about issues that they think might POSSIBLY be paid for by the HR bill. Those issues need to be addressed -- honestly. I think that there are people out there who are intent on seeing that this bill is never passed. I think their reasons are entirely selfish and they try to stir up confusion about what is being covered by this bill. Much of what they are saying is not true, based on what I have read. I believe SOME of the people posting here are being encouraged by those who have an interest in this failing.

I think it is important to see that every citizen of this country is insured. I believe that is a moral issue as important as any issue that concerns anyone else. As I said before it is something I have struggled with for twenty years or so. That fact has made me very aware of the need for a different system of providing healthcare coverage. Do I want this bill to pass. Yes, because there have been very few opportunities for this to be addressed. I do not believe any of our politicians will make the effort to try this again, for awhile, because they will be afraid of the political ramifications.

Tony keeps insisting that Obama commit to keep abortion off the table, Jim keeps saying Obama has committed that this would not be in the reform plans he has, and then Tony keeps going back to Obama on abortion and Jim keeps saying that he and Obama are on the same page with Tony on this issue...and, round and round they go on this issue. As they both continued on in this fashion and Tony wouldn't let it go, it made me wonder if Tony even heard Jim's words or if he even remembers that in our political system the president only has the power to sign or veto a bill. The righting, deliberating, amending (this includes all those 12 amendments that have been submitted to the bill concerning no abortion funding), and voting happens in Congress! The president doesn't do that stuff.

In 1979 the Hyde Amendment passed and that made it illegal for tax dollars to be spent to pay for abortions except in the case of the mother's health, rape or incest.
Beating the abortion drum is just another way of derailing health care reform by the Republicans who time and again have shown they do not care about the poor only money.
Money is their God.

I heard a statistic that states the government already supplies 43% of the health care dollars in America now. We have non profit hospitals, non profit health insurance plans and still the costs are out of control. Chrispycritter1- do you think we should abolish the medicare program and VA hospital system for vets? How much of the US is even envolved in church. The church can't begin to supply all the health needs. Maybe we expect too much health care-if we get cancer, have heart conditions, broken leg, etc. we should just let it go?

In a local town hall meeting a gal that was for reform asked the mostly elderly people if anyone was willing to give up their "socialized" medicare and social security and out of 200 people no one raised their hand. Chrispycritter1-were do you fall on the question?

Tony doesn't want any reform but he does need money and fear brings in the money.

Great job Jim. Thanks for all that you do for faith and justice.

Know that you are loved,
gaj

Here is my problem with this whole situation. I cannot understand how we can say the gov't of the US has a "moral obligation" to provide health care to people. Government is ammoral and uncaring. It is our role (the Church) to care for the hurting, needy and unwanted. Government cannot and never will care. Also, don't give me the argument that our government is, "by the people for the people". It ceased to be that a long time ago. On the abortion issue, if we (the Church) were doing our job, we wouldn't even be discussing abortion. It would be virtually a non event in the US.