Honduran Coup Government Showing Sensitivity to U.S. Pressure -- More is Needed

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Unfortunately, far too many Sojo supporters put politics over principle. It's more important to be a so-called "progressive" or liberal than it actually is to see true Biblical justice and concern for the poor. One cannot be non-partisan here. You have been confronted by two of the most incendiary post-ers on this blog. Take them for what it's worth. They hate being wrong. And I understand where you're coming from. God bless you.

Perhaps the most dangerous man in Latin American today is Hugo Chavez. He is the Left's version of a military dictator. Where is Sojourners with their condemnation of his power play and his desire to disrupt the internal affairs of foreign countries? Of course this is all about politics. It's obviously not about Social Justice, something that is supposed to be important to Sojo>

good comments mr genesis. its been a long time since i read anything about the Long brothers. I don't remember which one was governor and which one was a senator or which one was behind the scenes. But all three of them should have been either sent to the asylum or to prison. And that is where mr Z will end up too - just like Huey, Dewey, and Louie Long.

I live in Honduras. Please don't call the US government to reinstate Zelaya. Have you actually listened to his rhetoric? He is not mentally stable. Do you really think Zelaya was acting in the best interests of his people as he marched down the path of being a president for life? Granted, snatching him away in the night was wrong, but please let's not forget that the protestors for Zelaya have caused violence and fear. They are the ones who have bombed and burned buildings, and filled the capital with graffiti. They walk down the streets with bats and hidden faces. Please don't listen to all of the propaganda generated by Chavez. I't s common knowledge that most of the so-called Zelaya marchers are paid now, have been paid before, etc. Zelaya has been calling for open insurrection, and that is reckless. He called on mobs to support him even when he was president. Did you see him call a news conference when he was pres and sing and shout for 2 horus? He insulted memers of the military and congressman like a jr high kid callhim them gorillas and claming they were 'smoking dope." I bet you have not been following this like we have where our lives and ministires are on the line.

There may be some facts that must be taken into to account-- no doubt. But people are obviously unhappy with the post-Zelaya "government". Just as those on the "left" must deal with Zelaya's antics, those who support what is going on right now must deal with what is happening now.

Yep... sometimes the truth hurts. Keep grinding your axe, Ando, one day you might appear sharp.

"The interests of the poor have not been represented under Zelaya or under the current system. The entire elite that rules Honduras needs to re-think its precarious position. " genesis11

I have read about Zelaya and will not deny your points. Although I am not fully convinced that he is the devil incarnate, as you would almost make him out to be.

But I would posit that people marching through the streets are tired of the "elites" as you yourself call them ruling the country. People don't just walk out onto the streets and put life and limb at risk unless they are pushed. What can be done so that the "elites" don't run the country and the popular will is actually honored? Even if Zelaya is a nut, what can be done so that that the people's interests are taken into account?

I don't think I painted hm as the devil incarnate. Merely dangerous and unstable. Human rights have been disregarded by both sides but if you were here, I think you would understand why the majority are solidly against the return of Zelaya. Teachers were protesting last summer AGAINST Zelaya, and now that so many sources report that the labor unions have been paid to protest for him many schools have been shut down. Teachers who want to teach cannot because labor leaders come in in the night to their houses and threaten them to not go their classes. That's just one example of the supposedly loyal Zelaya supporters who want him back.

I have been in my car and had to wait out both groups of protestors in the capital. One group was peaceful with moms, kids and ordinary looking people carrying the flag. It is no exaggeration to say the other group scared me with their metal poles, red cloths across their faces and their shouts of violence. How many of them are from other countries? We are a small country with porous borders.

What is the solution? The elite must share power and resources with the poor. Zelaya had so such intention. He was part of that oligarchy.

I am also living in Honduras and wrote on the blog from yesterday and came to this one today.
Attacks have been launched against students of public schools by pro Zelaya supporters who commit gangs to their cause in terror. They have threatened the lives of students and teachers who dare go against the union leaders. Children´s rights have been violated. There are 2 million students who are being denied something as basic as an education by Zelaya protesters and the gangs such as Salvatrucha. Yesterday they took control of a school in Lopez Arellano and demanded a war tax to have the school given back to them. They wanted each and every student and parent and teacher to pay them 2,000 lempiras each to get the school back. Is this peaceful to you?
Channel 11, Radio America, El Heraldo, Channel 6 and HRN have all been targets of pro Zelaya protesters as well as La Prensa and La Tribuna. Four masked men attacked a young man who is a newspaper delivery person(these aren´t rich and elite being attacked they are kids) his truck was taken turned over and lit on fire and they threatened to kill him if he talked.
Burger King, rocks were thrown at their restaurant and it was vandalised as well as looted. As they threw rocks a plate glass window crashed down on an employee nearly severing his arm. Popeyes was lit on fire with women and children inside. A bus was lit on fire and children and women again were inside. Taxis have been attacked with taxi drivers drug from their units and beaten as well as damaging or burning their units. A security guard was beaten and they spray painted him as they stole his motorcycle that he depended on for his minimum wage job. Churches, businesses, historical monuments all defaced by these protesters.Yet, no one mentions the truly peaceful protesters in white that number in the tens to hundreds of thousands.
No one mentions the crimes of Zelaya. The theft and looting of our treasury. The looting of Hondutel and ENEE. Slowly they are recovering even in a recession. Last month they recovered tens of millions in losses since the removal of Zelaya. I disagree with the other poster about Micheletti. There was a warehouse found with tons of donations of medicine, supplies, school materials, clothing, and other items. Some of the things had already expired so they had to be thrown out...yes a warehouse ala Saddam Hussein, the things that were salvaged were already handed out to the poor and it was nationally televised. An elderly couple was found by La Prensa to be suffering in misery at the age of 90 and very little to live on. Several companies came together, furnished their house, gave them thousands of lempiras in cash in a bank account, and provided them with food promising to remain involved in their needs. A young mother of seven children is all alone and she had a handicapped son. They were provided with a wheelchair, professional medical assistence on site, food, clothing, and other supplies. She was without words. With six months left and a very limited budget there is not much that can be done to address the needs of the poor especially facing cut offs of the Milineum account by the US and cuts in aids and possible cuts to allow money wire transfers to ordinary citizens that are indeed poor.More than half of the poor in Honduras live off of money transfers from the United States where their family is located. A cut off of these transfers will starve them.

Perhaps the most dangerous man in Latin American today is Hugo Chavez. He is the Left's version of a military dictator. Where is Sojourners with their condemnation of his power play and his desire to disrupt the internal affairs of foreign countries? Of course this is all about politics. It's obviously not about Social Justice, something that is supposed to be important to Sojo>

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I live in Honduras. Please don't call the US government to reinstate Zelaya. Have you actually listened to his rhetoric? He is not mentally stable. Do you really think Zelaya was acting in the best interests of his people as he marched down the path of being a president for life? Granted, snatching him away in the night was wrong, but please let's not forget that the protestors for Zelaya have caused violence and fear. They are the ones who have bombed and burned buildings, and filled the capital with graffiti. They walk down the streets with bats and hidden faces. Please don't listen to all of the propaganda generated by Chavez. I't s common knowledge that most of the so-called Zelaya marchers are paid now, have been paid before, etc. Zelaya has been calling for open insurrection, and that is reckless. He called on mobs to support him even when he was president. Did you see him call a news conference when he was pres and sing and shout for 2 horus? He insulted memers of the military and congressman like a jr high kid callhim them gorillas and claming they were 'smoking dope." I bet you have not been following this like we have where our lives and ministires are on the line.

There may be some facts that must be taken into to account-- no doubt. But people are obviously unhappy with the post-Zelaya "government". Just as those on the "left" must deal with Zelaya's antics, those who support what is going on right now must deal with what is happening now.

Yep... sometimes the truth hurts. Keep grinding your axe, Ando, one day you might appear sharp.

I don't think I painted hm as the devil incarnate. Merely dangerous and unstable. Human rights have been disregarded by both sides but if you were here, I think you would understand why the majority are solidly against the return of Zelaya. Teachers were protesting last summer AGAINST Zelaya, and now that so many sources report that the labor unions have been paid to protest for him many schools have been shut down. Teachers who want to teach cannot because labor leaders come in in the night to their houses and threaten them to not go their classes. That's just one example of the supposedly loyal Zelaya supporters who want him back.

I have been in my car and had to wait out both groups of protestors in the capital. One group was peaceful with moms, kids and ordinary looking people carrying the flag. It is no exaggeration to say the other group scared me with their metal poles, red cloths across their faces and their shouts of violence. How many of them are from other countries? We are a small country with porous borders.

What is the solution? The elite must share power and resources with the poor. Zelaya had so such intention. He was part of that oligarchy.

I am also living in Honduras and wrote on the blog from yesterday and came to this one today.
Attacks have been launched against students of public schools by pro Zelaya supporters who commit gangs to their cause in terror. They have threatened the lives of students and teachers who dare go against the union leaders. Children´s rights have been violated. There are 2 million students who are being denied something as basic as an education by Zelaya protesters and the gangs such as Salvatrucha. Yesterday they took control of a school in Lopez Arellano and demanded a war tax to have the school given back to them. They wanted each and every student and parent and teacher to pay them 2,000 lempiras each to get the school back. Is this peaceful to you?
Channel 11, Radio America, El Heraldo, Channel 6 and HRN have all been targets of pro Zelaya protesters as well as La Prensa and La Tribuna. Four masked men attacked a young man who is a newspaper delivery person(these aren´t rich and elite being attacked they are kids) his truck was taken turned over and lit on fire and they threatened to kill him if he talked.
Burger King, rocks were thrown at their restaurant and it was vandalised as well as looted. As they threw rocks a plate glass window crashed down on an employee nearly severing his arm. Popeyes was lit on fire with women and children inside. A bus was lit on fire and children and women again were inside. Taxis have been attacked with taxi drivers drug from their units and beaten as well as damaging or burning their units. A security guard was beaten and they spray painted him as they stole his motorcycle that he depended on for his minimum wage job. Churches, businesses, historical monuments all defaced by these protesters.Yet, no one mentions the truly peaceful protesters in white that number in the tens to hundreds of thousands.
No one mentions the crimes of Zelaya. The theft and looting of our treasury. The looting of Hondutel and ENEE. Slowly they are recovering even in a recession. Last month they recovered tens of millions in losses since the removal of Zelaya. I disagree with the other poster about Micheletti. There was a warehouse found with tons of donations of medicine, supplies, school materials, clothing, and other items. Some of the things had already expired so they had to be thrown out...yes a warehouse ala Saddam Hussein, the things that were salvaged were already handed out to the poor and it was nationally televised. An elderly couple was found by La Prensa to be suffering in misery at the age of 90 and very little to live on. Several companies came together, furnished their house, gave them thousands of lempiras in cash in a bank account, and provided them with food promising to remain involved in their needs. A young mother of seven children is all alone and she had a handicapped son. They were provided with a wheelchair, professional medical assistence on site, food, clothing, and other supplies. She was without words. With six months left and a very limited budget there is not much that can be done to address the needs of the poor especially facing cut offs of the Milineum account by the US and cuts in aids and possible cuts to allow money wire transfers to ordinary citizens that are indeed poor.More than half of the poor in Honduras live off of money transfers from the United States where their family is located. A cut off of these transfers will starve them.

The Honduran constitution regrettably does not have a clause for impeachment. So the analogy cannot be applied. Actually I don't agree with spiriting him off as he was, but I think the whole thing is more complicated than what has been protrayed by the editors and columnists in this forum. The US and the Honduran government stated they did try to speak to Zelaya about his incendiary remarks and ideas well before the coup. He did not listen. Once again, though the poor will suffer the most if the US attempts to mold Honduras to fit its agenda. It's not the business of the US to manhandle Honduras by putting pressure on Honduran allies to further the hostilities. See Mary O'Grady's lastest Washington Post article for her references to the tactics being employed by our State Dept. As far as the military being used to arrest Zelaya, the police here are not authorized by the Constitution to do that as I understand it to be interpreted. Bear with me on one more point: Zelaya is a poor combination, in my opinion, of Louisiana's most famous politicians, Huey and Earl Long. One was a megalomaniac ruling Louisiana with an iron hand under the guise of populism. Earl his brother ended his career with starlets and a stay in an insane asylum. I am from that great state, so I can make the analogy. Simply put, Zelaya is unfit fo rule.

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The Honduran constitution regrettably does not have a clause for impeachment. So the analogy cannot be applied. Actually I don't agree with spiriting him off as he was, but I think the whole thing is more complicated than what has been protrayed by the editors and columnists in this forum. The US and the Honduran government stated they did try to speak to Zelaya about his incendiary remarks and ideas well before the coup. He did not listen. Once again, though the poor will suffer the most if the US attempts to mold Honduras to fit its agenda. It's not the business of the US to manhandle Honduras by putting pressure on Honduran allies to further the hostilities. See Mary O'Grady's lastest Washington Post article for her references to the tactics being employed by our State Dept. As far as the military being used to arrest Zelaya, the police here are not authorized by the Constitution to do that as I understand it to be interpreted. Bear with me on one more point: Zelaya is a poor combination, in my opinion, of Louisiana's most famous politicians, Huey and Earl Long. One was a megalomaniac ruling Louisiana with an iron hand under the guise of populism. Earl his brother ended his career with starlets and a stay in an insane asylum. I am from that great state, so I can make the analogy. Simply put, Zelaya is unfit fo rule.

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good comments mr genesis. its been a long time since i read anything about the Long brothers. I don't remember which one was governor and which one was a senator or which one was behind the scenes. But all three of them should have been either sent to the asylum or to prison. And that is where mr Z will end up too - just like Huey, Dewey, and Louie Long.

I am puzzled by the sarcasm and harsh comments on this forum. Where is the kindness flowing from justice and concern for the poor. I have been told that I called Zelaya "the devil incarnate" i.e. the antichrist and now this rant from this lady. I bow out. This forum is not about justice and righteousness. I believe in kindness. God bless you. I will not participate in these dissembling and disturbing comments.

good comments mr genesis. its been a long time since i read anything about the Long brothers. I don't remember which one was governor and which one was a senator or which one was behind the scenes. But all three of them should have been either sent to the asylum or to prison. And that is where mr Z will end up too - just like Huey, Dewey, and Louie Long.

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